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Right. I, Number Two, who know better than any of you the true purpose of Kingdom Hearts, am the traitor?In post 816, III Xaldin wrote:I do not like xigbar endorsing it
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Then take the lynch on a negative utility role and if I was wrong we'll have several weeks to discuss it.In post 849, IX Demyx wrote:jfc both these wagons are balls wtf are you smoking Xig?
There's no other options. You don't want a NL. vote.-
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My Vexen alt guess was just vindicated. Which is nice.
It's worth pointing out that that would be phenomenally powerful as a scum PR in the late game because you use it at 8 way when everyone's online and quickhammer someone.
So that's nerfed.
But I'm not sure that's the angle I want to go down anyway.-
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Why wouldn't you believe his claim?
Scumread him, sure, but his claim feels sort of locked unless for some reason he role swapped... and this role makes a shit ton of sense for the character.
this post was the sole reason I didn't continue to deathtunnel you D1 btwIn post 306, IV Vexen wrote:I'm very fun. I can sing and dance and flirt with the mod. Now on to other, less important things...
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So this is going to be a lot of stuff that I can't particularly explain well because I'm trying to connect the disjointed pieces myself but I feel like the end result is that Vexen is scum. Bear with me here.
So really early in the game I saw that comment and was like I know who that is. Off of an incredibly obscure alt guess based on something that happened in -a game-, but it was like pretty firm. Then I was like, wait this guy literally never plays anymore there's no way it's him. So scratch that. It comes to a head later in the game with my push on him because I'm like scumreading him with a blank slate on the alt guess, then Zexion flips out at me, and I'm like calling me Thor and making everything about -me- seems like something someone who knows me and is scum pretending not to because their scumpartner was like 'HEADS UP THIS IS blank' would do! And I was really sure that they were scum then I tried to pinpoint exactly who it was and then it came back to the comment in the previous post and I was like oh shit the timeline kind of adds up, they wouldn't know who I am, they wouldn't have the context to say things about ego. And I generally recall them being -somewhat- tonedeaf in the way a lot of older posters are in the previous game, not as tonedeaf as they've been this game, but okay. I'll buy it. Especially since the major reason I scumread them was them saying things that felt to me like they know who I was but claiming not to. Then -something- happened recently that turned this to a head: not only do they still play, but I have played games with them and held out of game conversations with them and they've played enough to generally understand the meta. They would INDIVIDUALLY figure out who I am, they don't need the aid of a scumpartner to do so most likely. And it sounds like burden of proficiencying but they're really not as bad as their play in this game would indicate. Like I was happy to say okay they're bad town who hasn't played in years who can't get over all this shit that they deem anti-town: fine. But as it happens that's not the case and I can no longer make excuses for the scummy shit they do.-
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That's just me trying to bridge the gap for the benefit of people who are uncomfortable with their reads on me and trying to get them to understand why my read transition has happened like it has.
I'll get a case more focused on why they're specifically scum at some point today, probably later rather than sooner because I'd like to take a week off and see what people do to get reads. I don't want to be leading 100% of the time.-
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In post 813, VI Zexion wrote:Hope we see each other tomorrow Xigbar <3
This just feels so wrong.In post 816, VIII Axel wrote:I'm gonna claim, I can skip the night phase- mobile posting and best post you'll get from me rn
I can skip tonight's phase if I'm alive or not if I'm dead
If u think that's a scum role, u need to take a hard look at the facts-
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Meh.
I wanted to wait for something that would give me a lot more momentum but with people replacing out I'd like to just end this game now.
It's obviously not my style but both for the sake of making a point and thinking that I just haven't done this enough I'm going to create a pretty comprehensive case.
I do feel like in general if you're trying to convince town bits at a time is better than one whopping nuke but I'll have time to get everyone on my side later. This is about making a point.
Your gods are not our gods, Axel. The people that you worship are dead and gone, and you're not even an old player. Nor a good one, frankly.
My playstyle obviously seems to offend you, the respect that I'm given by others obviously bothers you, so you pretend that you don't know who I am and bash me anonymously?
Please. It's pathetic and you need a serious dose in humility.-
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How would you know if it describes zero people? That's a profoundly illogical position to hold given that you supposedly don't know who I am, so you don't know who would even serve as a starting ground to make that work out! Even if you did know who I was, it's pretty difficult to figure that NO ONE on mafiascum fits that profile for me.In post 931, IV Vexen wrote:This describes 0 people. Why are you lying?
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I will admit that from your perspective what I call meaningful interaction outside of game may not be so. We have talked outside of game.In post 933, IV Vexen wrote:Like, given the timing of it, you probably know who I am. But no one on site since my return has both interacted with me meaningfully inside and outside of games.
I am not oblivious to the Thor comments or the 'why would scum strongman me!' to attack my ability.Has anything I've ever done ever led to the impression that I'd bash people anonymously?
And given this, are you House? Cause if so, yes, you offend me and I dislike you thoroughly.
I consider that in this context bashing me anonymously when you're trying to pretend that you don't know who I am to try to make a point about how not hot shit I am.
You know. I understand that you have to keep pretending so the rest of this conversation can wait until postgame.-
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It is, of course, possible that rather than it being an intentional slight you were overcommitting to pretending to not know who I was yet framing caused you to anchor it around what actually was.
And in that case I apologize for taking it personally but it felt like you were taking advantage of perceived anonymity to show how insignificant you thought I was.
You're scum regardless of which answer is the correct one though!-
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I Xemnas: Conftowm
II Xigbar: Me
III Xaldin: I mean ehh they're shit. I did scumread them. This is my true candidate for fourth contingent on Zexion being town, but I disbelieve that strongly. Point is, their scumpartner ought to tell them to back the fuck off of me.
IV Vexen: I scumread. This later.
V: I don't think Lexaeus would actually play like this as scum. I go back to how in early game I felt like they were doing something that's particularly town indicative. They continue to strike me as that.
VI: Lexion: I scumread. This later.
VII Saix: I've had a strong feeling all game that this is bad town. With virtually any scumteam possibility I can come up with, their play makes no sense as scum. Someone on their team would be telling them to stop poking me.
VIII Axel: I scumread. This later.
IX Demyx: This is one of the slots that I could potentially be wrong on
X Luxord: I think that this is town for two reasons. First off, I had a major town ping from the original Luxord on day
XI Marluxia: I have a very strong gut townread on Marluxia. The way that they talk to me feels super town, their votes have been fantastic, some of the stuff they said I don't think ever comes from scum.
XIII Roxas: I think they are very towny, their retaliation vote on me was pretty towny, they've done some things I really liked. Good slot in general.
So like if I had to do a readslist it looks something like this
Town: {Xemnas, Xigbar, Marluxia, Saix}
Towny: {Roxas, Lexaeus}
Decently town: {Luxord, Demyx}
Eh: {Xaldin}
Scummy: {Axel}
Diediedie: {Zexion, Vexen}
Xaldin going eh is specifically contingent on a Zexion townflip which is phenomenally unlikely to my eyes. Otherwise I have a strong reason to townread them too.
So ignoring anything that I lay down regarding a case for why anyone is scummy: I townread every single other player besides these 3 people and that's not end of day struggling to eliminate, that's slow, measured PoE.
You could argue Axel should have a reason: but the moment I saw the claim my gut was screaming scum scum scum scum scum scum scum. Completely fucking certain, regardless of how protown.
That leaves three people, all of whom I individually scumread to various extents, and all of whom have weird as fuck associations with each other. Not original trilogy associations like I had before where I was like gradually cutting people out and sure this is bad this could be scum, there's some serious dirt here.-
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No, or I wouldn't have made it. And Lex if you have no ability to read me and 3/4 of the time I'm town and you know full well no one's reads on me are worth shit, what you do isnot vote me.
And no, we're not lynching Saix today. We're lynching Vexen or compromise Axel. I would rather be lynched to make a point about how badly this town is playing than allow another town lynch.-
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I absolutely am another town lynch.I'm sorry, but are you implying you're NOT another Town lynch?
And that you weren't responsible for Larxene's mislynch?
I was responsible for Larxene's mislynch. I'm not calling town terrible because we lynched town yesterday, I'm calling town terrible because well there's a bunch of people not doing anything at all and a bunch of people tunneling me for absolutely no reason.
Because I didn't specifically say another non-me town lynch? That's your reason to doubt your read on me?I am... Not sure about that townlean anymore.
Sorry, but the implication of this post is that fucking Saix and Xaldin can read me. It doesn't take you being a super invested player to realize that neither of them are skilled players nor has the scumread on me any merit. And no fuck you this is exactly what you said in our last game together to justify pushing on me and I find it incredibly unlikely that you wouldn't learn your lesson from last game when my slot was literally a totally free mislynch because people have a complete inability to deal with my slot in a rational manner.About the rest of that post, just because I can't read you doesn't mean no one else can. And even then, unless my memory is fucking with me like the strongman thing, I believe I misread Scum!you as Town!you far more than the other way around.-
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I make no comment on your ability as a player. When I say worst I mean scummiest given that it coming from town!you stretches disbelief in terms of you obviously knowing better than to push on me for what you are, you citing other people's scumreads (and in this case both are absolutely terrible and everyone who actually has a chance of reading me in this game townreads me) when you literally just saw where that direction goes, and just generally feeling like you're setting yourself up for a vote on me: which you would do as scum because you probably see me as an easy mislynch.In post 979, V Lexaeus wrote:You know, now that you mention it.... Being insulted really makes me reconsider my stance on this.
Thank you for choosing to remind me that I'm shit at Mafia instead of actually trying to dispute anything I brought up against you. That's real fuckin' helpful-
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They are getting lynched whenever I put myself together IRL long enough to get a coherent case on them.In post 1066, IX Demyx wrote:I swear the number of times I have wanted to vote vexen has now reached double digits-
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