Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

[Ginngie]

VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai

OMGUS

[Ginngie]

that was so explainy lmao

P-edit: I came here to lead, not to read

[Ginngie]

man why all ya'll acting so damn weird we ain't even a page in

[Ginngie]

Vote: Raya36

Because it's my least favorite part of the game, RVS.

Btw legit think this could be scum.

that was so explainy lmao

P-edit: I came here to lead, not to read

IM SAYIN

[Ginngie]

/inb4 mastina claims neighborizer upgrading to masonizer

[Ginngie]

ugh, i hate using bold tags to vote

[Ginngie]

mastina is it weird that I know your role and it's only the first page >_>

[Ginngie]

voting to end the day is scummy

you block scum

you can end up with days of no killing

[Ginngie]

what the fuck are you on lmao

[Ginngie]

@Mod, will VOTE: Ghostlin, count as blocking him?

[Ginngie]

I feel like ghostlin is trying to sell me that he doesn't care

[Ginngie]

Oh I assumed everyone started as a VT and upgraded via EXP my mistake.

Maki-senpai, notice me

Shouldn't you be noticing the scumread on you?

mastina scumreads me every game l0l, i could literally be clear and she'd SR me

we townread you in Yume's Upick

[Ginngie]

oh right, but mastina was scummy that game so that game doesnt count

how does mastina being scummy mean mastina can't read you?

[Ginngie]

so like, ghostlin/gerry looking pretty saucy so far

need a 3rd

[Ginngie]

HURT: gerrrrrryyyyyyyy

[Ginngie]

I can't tell if Maria is bad or just chainsawing gerry

[Ginngie]

I have no read on gerry, I do have a scumread on you though.

so chainsaw

because you're criticizing my vote on someone, when you don't even have a read on someone?

[Ginngie]

I have no read on gerry, I do have a scumread on you though.

so chainsaw

because you're criticizing my vote on someone, when you don't even have a read on someone?

Are you saying if I don't have a good read on someone I can't find something opportunistic? Interesting.

opportunistic?

how the fuck?

[Ginngie]

jae doesn't display this level of confidence on jerry as scum

[Ginngie]

maria don't ghost me : (

[Ginngie]

ghosting is when you talk to someone and then they just drop all communication with you and dont talk to you like ever.

you said i did some scummy shit and vanished

[Ginngie]

jae doesn't display this level of confidence on jerry as scum

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think..jae could be scum. they seem kinda forced. like usually they are all. "gerry will be obvious later if he's scum" but right now i literally made some joke posts with Maki like i always do and they are like "OMG THIS IS OBVS UR SCUM GAME. YOU NEED TO BE LYNCHED YESTERDAY"

What happened in 10 minutes and 10 posts

[Ginngie]

replace dunn with Vija and im good

[Ginngie]

jae doesn't display this level of confidence on jerry as scum

I need clarification, this can be read a few ways but I'll respond with that I think you're saying here.
If you're saying that my posting isn't me because of the confidence in gerry!scum.
I have literally found him as scum in the majority of his scum games and

still lost to him

.
I'm sick. And tired. Of losing. To the most obvious fucking scum on site.
I'm not giving him a fucking inch this game. I'm not letting up. I'm not letting him deflect to "lynch my partner instead?". Especially on the blocking when we can actually get something useful done with one scumfuck already blocked.

When both myself and mastina agree someone is scum, then you have a very high chance of that someone just being scum, and that's even ignoring my personal record with the guy.
So yes, I do display this level of confidence.

Jae wouldn’t scum read Gerry this hard if Jae was scum*

[Ginngie]

I guess that makes sense and if we're hurting scummy players

HURT: Ginngie

so you voted me because I voted gerry because Jae voted gerry?

is that what you're saying?

[Ginngie]

I guess that makes sense and if we're hurting scummy players

HURT: Ginngie

so you voted me because I voted gerry because Jae voted gerry?

is that what you're saying?

and it looked really bad to me and that you were trying to buddy them on the bottom of page 1? Yes.

so lets play a game

find where I talked about gerry before you voted me.

I'll wait

Also find where I was buddying mastina

bottom of page 1? me saying I know mastina's role is buddying?

[Ginngie]

so like, ghostlin/gerry looking pretty saucy so far

need a 3rd

dunnstral

replace dunn with Vija and im good

[Ginngie]

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

mastina posting

[Ginngie]

NINJA

[Ginngie]

Jae are u scared of me?

Also how do you know mastina actually SR me and not a reaction test? You said mastina didn't tell you the game started yet

No.
Here's a concept for you.
We're dating. And I can damn near soulread her.
She actually scumread you. And I think she actually made that pretty fucking clear.

How? I wasnt even in the game yet when she voted me.

i'll be back when it's not the shit show known as RVS, just need an ego post

Also
HURT WITH A BLADE: gerryoat.

mastina posting

POST 35 YOU POST

POST 39 SHE VOTES

[Ginngie]

I forgot about the blade thing, i was talking about the actual vote

that is the vote .-.

[Ginngie]

Jae are u scared of me?

Also how do you know mastina actually SR me and not a reaction test? You said mastina didn't tell you the game started yet

No.
Here's a concept for you.
We're dating. And I can damn near soulread her.
She actually scumread you. And I think she actually made that pretty fucking clear.

How? I wasnt even in the game yet when she voted me.

STOP FUCKING LYING
SHE VOTED YOU FOR RVS THEN VOTED YOU AGAIN AFTER YOU ENTERED THE GAME

[Ginngie]

I guess that makes sense and if we're hurting scummy players

HURT: Ginngie

so you voted me because I voted gerry because Jae voted gerry?

is that what you're saying?

and it looked really bad to me and that you were trying to buddy them on the bottom of page 1? Yes.

so lets play a game

find where I talked about gerry before you voted me.

I'll wait

Also find where I was buddying mastina

bottom of page 1? me saying I know mastina's role is buddying?

You didn't. That's the issue

I didn't vote gerry or talk about him before you voted me so I don't get why you're using the end to justify the means

like, "i'm going to vote Ginngie, and then later i will find him doing something scummy that he didn't do until after the vote as the reason i voted him"

and I'm taking that as an answer because you haven't explained the buddying thing

[Ginngie]

So you're saying that it's normal behavior for someone who takes days to sort you, to suddenly take 10 posts in one game and that's normal?

I used to not be able to read Pine that well

and then correctly scumread him on his first post.

so.

yeah lmao

[Ginngie]

okay, so separate from their read on me, why do you SR me?

Currently you're a catalyst to the sorting of maria so this will be discussed through me talking to her

[Ginngie]

I don't understand

I'm talking about you with Maria so be patient

[Ginngie]

oh right, but mastina was scummy that game so that game doesnt count

how does mastina being scummy mean mastina can't read you?

so like, ghostlin/gerry looking pretty saucy so far

need a 3rd

you can't count maria

[Ginngie]

Are you normally this stupid?

so like, ghostlin/gerry looking pretty saucy so far

need a 3rd

Was the first time you ever said anything about gerry and in your next post you voted him
this came

after

jae called him out and that's what is scummy as fuck

your post at the bottom of page 1 felt like an early buddy

your post of "you're scum coming up with reasons as it goes" is dumb because scum would have a reason, to begin with if they were scumreading someone.

Post 88 I mentioned gerry

you're saying im scummy as fuck because of post 96

you voted me in post 75

get your shit together

[Ginngie]

Literally your reason for why i'm scum is stuff after you voted me

and the only thing you say before post 75 that was scummy is post 24 and that is literally shooting the shit with mastina

how is me talking to mastina buddying? especially given the relationship I share with those two in the hydra?

[Ginngie]

Does that post say "I sr gerry" no it's asking a question.

fucking semantics?

seriously?

[Ginngie]

WHY YOU IGNORE THE NUMBERS PART OF MY POST AND JUST GO INTO A SEMANTICS ARGUMENT

[Ginngie]

I voted you because of your buddy post your vote just made my sr stronger, No need to get all caps lock and upset.

explain how it's buddying

it's bullshit

[Ginngie]

stop deflecting

[Ginngie]

"mastina I know your role weird right" it's not blatant but it's warming up to each other.
Pedit: Not deflecting lovely if I didn't want to answer your question I wouldn't.

given our obvious history

how in the fuck

does playful banter equal buddying?

Also tell me further, what is my goal there to "buddy mastina"

the person that soul reads me?

You've seen first hand mastina smack the fuck out of me in WWE mafia as soon as she reads my posts

[Ginngie]

get started

[Ginngie]

Ahhh the meta defense my fav anyway I think I've proven my point. I think I'll go back to playing league

you literally haven't at all.

and you're choosing to ditch instead of trying to explain because you know it won't make sense

[Ginngie]

you say buddying like Trump says fake news

[Ginngie]

HURT: Maki

[Ginngie]

I mean it's a valid af question

[Ginngie]

Eevee: 'oh wow in game content, let me ignore it'
drealz: 'why aren't you saying shit'

[Ginngie]

Woah already 9 pages into this. Oh a catfight happened

why even make this comment?

drealmerz you have posted a lot but hardly leave any impression.

idk i thought these comments correlated

[Ginngie]

well at least it is "hardly any" instead of "absolutely none"

not sure what your point is, really - that I didn't jump right out as either scum or town early D1?

This feels town to me, mainly it's because I'm feeling from a town perspective, a player is more likely to go "really? you expect hard reads early?" while in general I feel like scum would go a route of appeasement of sorts like "oh well I've done this and that"

idk it's like weird but I generally expect players with experience to know that early game it's hard to get literally anything going and not much is expected so being older member (a year is "so old lmao") and going yeah everything's chill rings town.

I feel like i'm not explaining it well enough.

as long as I haven't given off the "omg this guy is a jerk" impression, I'm happy

Also for anyone in Mini's Apartment, the Prism argument I made for Prism!town

[Ginngie]

yeah

I support you

go scumread someone for not being an asshole

[Ginngie]

Also within in game relations, not wanting to pick a fight and instead trying to put water under the bridge makes me feel that it's a town move as it pushes towards cohesiveness instead of being divisive

[Ginngie]

you could comment on pretty much the only major event provided by yours truly with

Maki v. Ginngie

[Ginngie]

I don't agree with that, fundamentally. At all. Yes, working together and admitting you're wrong is one thing, but going 'hey, guys, this is a cheeky scumfuck and we should lynch it' for example when everyone else seems to be reticent because they want to lynch 'better' scum, or refusing to stick your ground on position and being a bit of an ass about it reeks Town to me.

This is going into mafia theory and I'm drawing the line there because it doesn't provide any real content that's AI.

[Ginngie]

The one I don't understand is gerry vs. LMS; I can't read either one, even though I know mastina (although I don't know Jae). You wanna help with some insight I'm missing there?

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=72982

that should about some up the relationship between mastina/jae/myself


Jae's scum game is just weak af and the confidence here is balling hard Jae read

not Jaereed, but like Jae's read

They're just town

like number 1 town

and I am the same to them.

Like I know if I roll town, they're going to call me town.

As for gerry, legit I trust Jae here, we've been able to deduce what town gerry is like

so I trust in their ability to read gerry as well.

[Ginngie]

"OMG GIN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS"

:^)

I remember the rage fights

[Ginngie]

I mean yeah, pretty much agree with what Jae says but honestly you're a sack of potatoes compared to Maki right now and that's my primary concern.

[Ginngie]

1. You haven’t explained how any of the posts that you are say are buddying, is actually buddying
2. You call something a TvT while not having a read on one of the supposed “towns” in the TvT

[Ginngie]

there is nothing town about Maki

[Ginngie]

1) I believe I have you just don't like the answers I've given so you say that's not buddying

2nd two quotes you literally did not explain

[Ginngie]

mastina, you're seriously wrong on Maki.

[Ginngie]

nope

diffuse my efforts or idc

[Ginngie]

you realize we can't lynch gerry right?

[Ginngie]

The reason Gin is scum is because she didn't try to understand my read on her

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

like, I don't fucking get how you could make that kinda of statement and actually be town

[Ginngie]

The entire fucking reason a wagon is on you

is because i broke down your entire read on me

and showed how it was fake as shit.

I analyzed every single bit

and even made sure to understand every single bit of reasoning behind your original vote before I asked questions.

I was literally asking rhetorical questions because I already knew the answers.

You can't fucking say that I haven't been analyzing understanding everything.

[Ginngie]

*no one agrees with you*

[Ginngie]

*everyone agrees with me*

[Ginngie]

*that should be telling who is being the dumb one*

[Ginngie]

btw Ginngie please avoid games with me if you're just gonna continue being a bitch about any comment I say thank you

The majority of what I have been doing is asking you to explain your scum read on me

[Ginngie]

VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai
OMGUS

I SAID GERRY NOT GINNGIE

that was so explainy lmao

P-edit: I came here to lead, not to read

Don't even get me started on these

This is the only thing I've asked you to explain is buddying

Besides that I have never said you were scum because of you not answering questions.


Why I think your scum, is because how you came about to scum reading me didn't make any sense.

first you said it was the gerry vote

and then you added buddying

and then I showed that it was impossible to have it be because of the gerry vote for obvious reason of that event not happening yet.

So I go back to buddying, and you say one line, change the goal post to "warming up" instead of buddying outright, and then don't explain two other quotes and how I was trying to buddy mastina.

And then we do move back to the gerry vote part of your scum read, your logic is that I encouraged a TvT, when you didn't even have a town read on gerry at the time.


I just want a coherent story that makes sense from you and you're not giving one.

[Ginngie]

My reads would change in the sense that I'd start looking to sort other slots as there is no need to sort Maki anymore

until then, I'm still focusing on Maki

[Ginngie]

and here's the thing, you can either tell me why i should change my read now and go sort other people

or buzz off from asking me pointless hypothetical questions

[Ginngie]

so what is my goal here "warming up" to mastina

and how would one differentiate that from simply interacting with a close friend?

[Ginngie]

Build it up to a townread of course.

So would you rather take my word and also mastina's word that this simply will never work and it's been tried and tested?

or do I have to go quote digging and also have mastina explain it to you in a wall?

Pretty much, the only real thing to discuss is the gerry vote, agree on that?

[Ginngie]

so gerry vote

recently finished Yume's Upick, hydra'd with Jae and mastina

All 3 felt confident in knowing town!gerry that game

This game happens and mastina/Jae feel confident scum!gerry

and given the interactions gerry had with NMS, none of it was making sense so i conclude scum

In post 88,

oh right, but mastina was scummy that game so that game doesnt count

how does mastina being scummy mean mastina can't read you?

It looked like a fucked up discrediting of NMS that made no damn sense to me.

and given that gerry/NMS is was quite literally the only thing going on, I don't think it's fair to say something is opportunistic.

like, tl;dr

with no other content in game
NMS being top town read
NMS being good at reading gerry
I personally understanding he meta argument
I also personally don't like the arguments gerry puts forth

where does it go from a logical vote into opportunistic

and why was that opportunistic to you given those conditions?

[Ginngie]

My reads would change in the sense that I'd start looking to sort other slots as there is no need to sort Maki anymore

until then, I'm still focusing on Maki

Why aren't you trying to sort anyone else now though?

SORT WHAT

Literally no one else has posted except for 2-3 posts per person and one was just replaced.

[Ginngie]

I’ve actually talked about dreal
Talking about dreal led me to ghostlin
ghostlin was side lined by me talking to Maki
I’ve actually explained my thought process regarding your slot

Insert 25¢ to try again

[Ginngie]

[Deleted on dreals request]

Also you right, I am taking the lazy way on reading you, however, I'm not pushing you because it's not a strong belief, I wont put huge faith into something i do that is lazy.

As you'll notice, I'm not pushing you, and focusing elsewhere and even telling mastina to prove me wrong before I consider helping out with any of her own pushes.

So I mean yeah, am I being lazy towards your slot? Yes. Am I being lazy in general? no.

P-edit: deleted quote because of dreal

[Ginngie]

I don't know how else saying i'm being lazy and not sorting you myself right now will become any clearer.

[Ginngie]

quotes

that game long af

[Ginngie]

Hmm "matter" is too strong of a word in this case.
Still...
Because is better to be clear whether you'll be claiming something or just playing around.

this post makes me grrr

[Ginngie]

because it seems like you're fishing for role info

[Ginngie]

Dreal: the real question is what are the protown and antitown reasons Ginnigie would be fishing for role info, and is it likely to be more one than the other? Because I see no really good reason to out PRs day 1...

you're not good with names

[Ginngie]

I'm so glad I said grrr

This is hilarious to read

[Ginngie]

ginngie grred at it (and so did I, I just didn't post my grrr, I quietly noted it)

quoting for sig post game

[Ginngie]

lol midterms
HURT: Yurkin

[Ginngie]

Going to a funeral see ya fridY

[Ginngie]

I don’t get the town motivation in ignoring actually scummy players and trying to push the thread in the direction of just two people yelling at each other.

[Ginngie]

I don't even know why we're blocking yurkin, I'd rather not ignore this interaction between you and NMS

Instead of actually trying to figure out why and ask questions about Yurkin, you’re choosing to focus on what is essentially

META!

Lol no

And repeat.

It feels like you’re giving special treatment to players trying to set up a game plan

[Ginngie]

I know you're better than to let this go when we have a hard and solid read on someone you know we can read, and it's upsetting me that you are when we have a plan if we can just get the obvious gerryscum blocked. Throw me a line here and let me in a bit on your process?

I will block anyone




















except for gerry

[Ginngie]

If mastina and jae want to only tunnel gerry, I'll let them, but I won't help them only tunnel.

[Ginngie]

i'm waiting

that's all I can do

I'm waiting on NMS, Dunn, you, and other people to step in and do some work.

NMS knows exactly what I'm waiting on but they ain't doing shit about it :/

[Ginngie]

I don't want hammer just yet, i do want a rebuttal from gerry

you had your rebuttal

so vote

[Ginngie]

why do you keep wanting people to do work for you and not your own >_>

[Ginngie]

Its that I'm doubting my instinct because something is off to me.

it's the color of the role PM isn't it?

[Ginngie]

y

[Ginngie]

Eevee is town I think

It's a tough call tbh but I think imma stick with it

[Ginngie]

I'm at yurkin and Dunn tbh

[Ginngie]

he sucks

hasn't responded to me either

[Ginngie]

I feel like you're actively lurking here because you responded really quick to me but for some reason for the past hour you haven't decided to read what's been posted since your last post?

like you should I know I have major concerns about you but I feel like you just went quiet to see if I just forget about it and push something else.

[Ginngie]

like both posts today were mere minutes away from each other so like, in order to do that you'd have to be actively checking the thread.

SO what I dont get is why you didn't think to get caught up during that time

[Ginngie]

no fucking shit

[Ginngie]

VC 1.7

[Block]

yurkin (4)- gerryoat, Vijarada, Vaxkiller, Raya36

[Block]

gerryoat (4)- NoticeMeSenpai, drealmerz7, Dunnstral, Ginngie

[Block]

Maki Harukawa (2)- Ghostlin, Assemblerotws

[Block]

Dunnstral (1)- Maki Harukawa

Not voting (2)- EeveeLution Army, yurkin

With 13 alive it takes 7 to block or end day.

(expired on 2017-10-24 01:00:00)

Mod notes:

Prodding Something_Smart.

lol midterms
HURT: Yurkin

[Ginngie]

Also Yurkin is voting gerry

[Ginngie]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Ginngie]

HURT: Yurkin

[Ginngie]

[Block] yurkin (6)- gerryoat, Vijarada, Vaxkiller, Raya36, Ginngie, yurkin
[Block] gerryoat (6)- NoticeMeSenpai, drealmerz7, Dunnstral, yurkin, Assemblerotws, EeveeLution Army

[Ginngie]

HURT: Gerry

oops my finger slipped

[Ginngie]

I'm the queen of lolhammer, I wait on no man

Also like I said earlier, statement was mostly to get mastina to do something else and she didn't, which made me sad

[Ginngie]

YOU DONT PLAY ON NACHOES LEVEL LMAO