Mini 1959 - Protomen Blitz : Game Over

[drealmerz7]

let's get BLITZED

[drealmerz7]

if you vote for me
youre in big trouble

i wanted to vote you for this, then i read the mod post. :<

hello everyone!
~Chara

hmmm, I've read the modposts but not sure what the significance / relation here is, can you explain?

and then I went back and read to see if I missed something, am I missing something?

[drealmerz7]

there have been 10 posts since you posted that, yume, and we're on the same page

reposting it is stupid

[drealmerz7]

she said she'd get to the thread tonight, so whether she saw it or not, read it or not, clearly you reposting it makes no sense

[drealmerz7]

no, she said try to keep the spammy stuff to a minimum, that's not saying there are spammy posts, you reposting the post is a spammy post though

[drealmerz7]

it was one post, no need for an argument.
and we're voteless today, dreal.
~Chara

I'm not trying to argue I'm trying to combat things being done that I think are stupid (because it's pervasive and bad on MS and I'm on a mission to whip shit into shape)

derrr, I have no idea why I didn't make the connection

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: drealm

you know why.

no, I don't, please tell me

[drealmerz7]

You are trying to pass my planning as spam.

huh? no, I'm telling you you reposting that post doesn't make any sense, whatsoever

[drealmerz7]

i mean if we're gonna be boring

vote: xiao

worst post in the game so far.

why do you think it is bad?

why is it worth voting?

now you're saying he's scum with much confidence, do you have a lot of experience with him that makes you able to generate such a confident read so quickly?

[drealmerz7]

perhaps he takes prozac? or other personality quashing drugs that render him flat and not his true self?

[drealmerz7]

it's wayyy too fucking early, even for a blitz, to be concerned with "getting wagon momentum going"

not even half the playerlist has posted yet

scum are likely more concerned with wagon momentum than scumhunting

FoS gork

[drealmerz7]

game momentum going?

now it's game momentum? before it was wagon momentum

are you wagoning him to get game momentum going, or because you think he's scum?

and its not like i havent been clear that i think xiao is really likely scum and have given reasons
so its kind of baffling that youre implying that i dont care about scumhunting here drealm.

"really likely scum...off of 1 post...a first post....of someone I have vague familiarity with their town game"

welcome to my first SR, gork

[drealmerz7]

I'll vote when I'm ready to vote, it's wayyy too early, even for a blitz

[drealmerz7]

yes, he's cheet

[drealmerz7]

no, they are absolutely not the same thing at all, actually, it wasn't a wording semantics thing at all

it seems like you're just trying to cover your ass now

and to use the word "berate"... really? clearly you've never actually been berated

[drealmerz7]

to reiterate, to be concerned about the momentum of a wagon at this point in this game, is utterly ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

aye, not the same thing, as I posted that I realized it should have said "game momemtum isn't necessarily created by wagon momentum, not even close"

[drealmerz7]

again, the issue is that you're concern is around momentum, wagon momentum, game momentum, whatever

it's like "hey look I'm doing a town thing!!!!!"

but it's very premature, when the game has JUST started and not half the PL has posted

scumpings galore

[drealmerz7]

fuck
wtf

your

[drealmerz7]

I think that happened because I conflated two phrasings

"you're concerned' and "your concern"

[drealmerz7]

I'm not pushing against things moving forward

but building a wagon for the sake of there being a wagon because "wagons = good !! derrrr" is bad / mostly worthless

and yes, I created more spam with my yume shit, but it's in an effort to curb spam in the long run

[drealmerz7]

again, the issue is that you're concern is around momentum, wagon momentum, game momentum, whatever

it's like "hey look I'm doing a town thing!!!!!"

but it's very premature, when the game has JUST started and not half the PL has posted

scumpings galore

this doesn't look like Gork trying to overplay his towniness at all.
i've seen that, but it sounds like you just don't want the game to begin yet because not everyone is here. what should be done until then, thumb-twiddling? it's readable content, i'd rather have that early.
~Chara

pedit: pocketing achieved, time to lurk. :>

no, I'm all about getting the game going, blah, anyone who has played 2 games with me probably knows I'm all about the game getting going (I hate RVS), that's not it at all

[drealmerz7]

to make it clear, the issue is that he had concern with getting momentum going, where at this/that point in the game, when the game has just begun and not everyone has gotten involved yet, is premature (the concern = premature) - there should be no concern because momentum happens organically, him trying to fabricate momentum is him going "it's towny to want momentum because it's good for the game so I'm going to do that!" - that's actually anti-town/scummy, because it doesn't let shit form organically

[drealmerz7]

how frustrated are you going to be postgame
when i get to be a jerk about me being town and xiao being scum

you're pretty much always a jerk to me so it'll be nothing new

especially if you feel warranted at this point in being a jerk based on this basic simple shit so fucking early

[drealmerz7]

someone stop me from reading Xiao's move onto dreal as picking the easier town in the conversation to go after. or don't, i don't mind.
~Chara

when it happened it struck me as possible, obviously

[drealmerz7]

i took it as Gork pushing on a debateably-NAI post
~Chara

it's not his push, it's his "not helping any kind of wagon momentum get going" towards me that is the seed of the issue

MCMENNO!!!!

[drealmerz7]

i mean
was more just annoyed with your critique of my play while you were also doing effectively nothing.

is not critiquing your play doing something?

[drealmerz7]

because ppl hurt my brain

and because I'm town, AGAIN

[drealmerz7]

if only you could see me pacing back and forth in front of my computer, swaying and being fidgety

less flustered and more frustrated, but they nearly equivocate when entering posts

[drealmerz7]

awww

I like wagons on me ):

[drealmerz7]

why post anything at all if that is the post you're going to make

you and titus so far

[drealmerz7]

of course you got your role

I didn't realize it was a good idea to tell people you're NOT negative utility

I just thought sometimes it's a good idea to tell people if you are negative utility

seems a bit backwards: "everyone chime in that you're not negative utility so we know" ????

[drealmerz7]

I can't even follow

you think you're going to get flashwagoned to L-1 before you have a chance to check the game and so you're telling everyone "it's okay, I'm not hated, go ahead and take me to L-1" ???

[drealmerz7]

first of all, that doesn't address anything I am asking

second of all, no, that's not true at all, that's mostly crap play and part of why town suck around here because ppl think claiming that shit like that is good play - anyway, not going to discuss game theory with you, just you need to know that that is not true and stop thinking it, someone can absolutely not claim miller in their 1st post and still be miller, or any other example

anyway, back to the point

why did you feel the need to make a post making it clear you were none of those things?

[drealmerz7]

which didn't even actually make it clear, it just does it in your mind

[drealmerz7]

you don't make sense to begin with, you're not going to make MORE sense with an alcohol addled brain

[drealmerz7]

let's try this:

fill in the blank

titus: "I found it important to make a contentless nothing post ASAP because _____ "

[drealmerz7]

omfg

you can't even do a simple exercise to help me try and understand your mode of thought

what the fucking fuck

[drealmerz7]

no, that's you not having the ability to understand, as usual, which is why I made a VERY SIMPLE EXERCISE THAT EVEN A 1ST GRADER CAN FOLLOW, AND YET YOU CAN'T FOLLOW IT

[drealmerz7]

why oh why did I stop sending mods a PM upon signing up for a game asking them to not accept titus in their games / to take me off the PL if you signed up

[drealmerz7]

titus, then do me a favor and just fill in the blank

[drealmerz7]

no, she didn't chara, I still don't follow:

how about filling in this blank, titus: "I found it important to establish my non-negative utility role at 6:07 PM when I didn't have time to get involved in the game instead of 8:44 PM when I could get involved with the game because ________ "

[drealmerz7]

why are you taking major issue with someone making a hello post before they have time to properly post and then leaving? it sounds like you have a personal problem with Titus, and nothing else.
~Chara

because I'm trying to feel out the nuance between towntitus who thinks what she has stated (that it's pro-town to establish accountability and non-negative utility ASAP) vs. scumtitus who replicates that behavior but does it because "I need to establish this because it's what I do as town" vs. "I did this because it's what I do"

no, she didn't chara, I still don't follow:

how about filling in this blank, titus: "I found it important to establish my non-negative utility role at 6:07 PM when I didn't have time to get involved in the game instead of 8:44 PM when I could get involved with the game because ________ "

A work meeting and possible social engagement that might have lasted until tomorrow.

excellent, thank you

now if that is so, why did you say

I'll be here tonight.

instead of something like "work meeting and social engagement that might last until tomorrow"

(which, now it seems you've changed from "be here tonight" to maybe you wouldn't have been?)

[drealmerz7]

there's about two I like

which 2? about

[drealmerz7]

1.) Because there would have been a gap in the two? 2.) Seriously? Are you occusing me of lying about real life?

1.) I don't understand this reply and don't understand how it relates to my question - a gap between the two of what?

2.) huh? where does that come from? no

[drealmerz7]

I didn't like either of the moves off of me when zachali made the comment they did (chara and xiao, not that chara moved off of me, but, disengaged that line a bit too readily on zachali's word)

I told you why I was pushing that point, and to me it's not necessarily NAI - I was trying to see if I could feel out a nuance between towntitus who just does that and scumtitus who feels the need to establish that because it's what she does as town

[drealmerz7]

aye, for me 66 felt more towny than any of his other stuff felt scummy

[drealmerz7]

you can ask but I doubt I'll comply

especially if there's something I feel compelled to post about, not sure why it's harder (for you) to get reads this way, though

[drealmerz7]

I've not posted for over an hour, has it helped you with the sorting, titus?

btw, I lean reading that post from titus as "hmmm how can I look towny? I know, ask drealmer to shush so I can sort! trying to sort is towny!"

[drealmerz7]

gross, both of those things are poison

[drealmerz7]

I took a relaxing mixture tincture (oats milky tops, lemon balm, passionflower, skullcap) earlier when titus came back into the thread, actually, it helped a bit

thinking about takinga 1/2 dose of strictly passionflower atm

cannabis would be the best though

[drealmerz7]

the xiao i know would never let someone else tell him who he should be scumreading D:

first you say you have vague familiarity (with his town play), now you say you know his play well enough to make this determination?

I didn't neighborize them, they neighborized me. I neighborized Tito.

your first post about creating teams was bad but I'm used to you being bad, but wtf is this shit? outing someone else's ability? you can die, this sort of thing is incredibly scummy and if you're town doing it you're a giant liability.

VOTE: yume

I like cerb's analysis of xiao in 217 I was having trouble expressing that so what just letting it sit. Also not liking xiao's cutesyness but not having familiarity with him makes it less of a concrete issue.

the 2nd part of that post (about gork) I was making a very similar entry but deleted it because cerb did it better

I always read Tito as town on day 1, I get a better idea of her on day 2 usually. ...How many neighborhoods are there?

how much have you played with titus? sounds like you have quite enough to make this phrase, but not enough to know she's regarded as the queen of moon logic? pings here

wtf??? why are you asking for this? you can die too

fucking hate people roletalking on D1, but roleinfofishing? die die die

but since Lisanna wants me dead, I probably won't be able to activate it. Oh well.

because half a of hydra head controls the entire lynch? huh????

cerb you better not be scum this game.
for real.
i would be really disappointed in you for letting varsoon give you a scumPM.

this sounds so fucking fake

woah, post from varsoon, then it disappeared!

omg and xiao persists to ask about the hoods

yeh, in a blitz, he or yume can go toDay, that's enough for me

[drealmerz7]

I want them to share it at their own will as they think it is good for us to know

and so you don't have much familiarity with titus at all, yet you use the term "usually" and have confidence in your non-ability to read her on D1 - to me this is just scum not wanting to commit to someone on D1, he doesn't even leave open the possibility of titus doing something that would allow him to sort her at all on D1

my vote is now fluid between xiao and yume

[drealmerz7]

incredibly confident? everything you're doing?

no, no

but you're #3 on my "can die" list

[drealmerz7]

youre #2 on mine even though i dont think youre scum.
(:

wow, this is incredibly scumtastic!

[drealmerz7]

yes, you're shit

[drealmerz7]

it was meant to be funny, if not also a little cutting, but mostly funny

[drealmerz7]

I say it feels like you're trying to buddy me to get me to vote with you and it's pretty damn scummy

[drealmerz7]

my vote is now fluid between xiao, gork, and yume

[drealmerz7]

how did you know?

[drealmerz7]

gork is just full of awful rhetoric and AtE that is screaming scumilicous to me, if that's how he plays as town it's fucking disgusting (and then I look at his quote, but, being a scumfuck as town is not okay just because it's how someone plays, they need to change the play because it just allows them to hide as scum and I still think they're scum)

desp I don't really see anything votable for and feel like I can read pretty well once he's given enough content

for now UNVOTE: yume

[drealmerz7]

gork, you shouldn't play mafia if you get ego hurt and self esteem issues from ppl scumreading you

[drealmerz7]

yes and your unawareness of self is a problem too

[drealmerz7]

everybody’s scum til I have good reason to believe otherwise.

that's how I do

[drealmerz7]

titus, if I were more focused on gork in a non-mafia way this game would get toxic and I'd be ripping him a new asshole - do you see that happening? nope! I am focused on the correct shit, dun worry

gork is top SR

can't really get behind voting anyone else atm

[drealmerz7]

almost chara is my #2 SR atm

[drealmerz7]

just because YOU aren't interested in gork doesn't mean others in the group aren't allowed, you realize? you don't get to dictate the gamestate like that

AC ... I'm going to wait on that

[drealmerz7]

It's a blitz game so I'm confused at the current pace of the game.

~D

me too

not sure about SU2 and whatever but I have been regarding The State as a kind of diplomat faction

[drealmerz7]

that makes zero sense

just because 3rd party was town friendly there, doesn't mean they're town friendly here

[drealmerz7]

not whatever, it's fucking terrible reasoning and I'd like you to admit it

[drealmerz7]

It's a blitz game so I'm confused at the current pace of the game.

~D

I had a thought while out moving some firewood:

this actually makes a bit of sense considering both factions have daychat and there seems to be some hooding going on, this will directly affect the amount of in-game content, in my experience

[drealmerz7]

not whatever, it's fucking terrible reasoning and I'd like you to admit it

You aren't Lisanna, you aren't Lappy and you aren't Titus either. I will only admit stuff to them.

it's not about admitting it to anyone other than yourself

[drealmerz7]

352? how is that mean spirited? how is it personal? where am I offended? do you not agree that it is terrible reasoning (or actually, not reasoning at all) to think that because the 3rd faction was protown in some other varsoon game that it would be the same here? how is this not game relevant?

the "move on" and "move off" were more like: I felt like you were aiming towards SRing me and then quickly came off it - I might be able to elaborate better at another point, about to eat dinner

[drealmerz7]

elaborate why you don't believe it, why you think he'd make it like he did, etc. etc.

[drealmerz7]

yeah, I'm confrontational when I come up against utter nonsense, and I think other people should be too, it's not personal though

[drealmerz7]

a good mason partner will do that as to not tip their hand to their partner too readily

and are you really trying to game this mod? I mean, it's fun and tempting but, there are 2 factions aside from the dead and they have daychat AND there are hoods going on - masons sound perfectly reasonable consideration

what's more interesting to me is that yume comes in and says she doesn't believe it and then you do - and I've repeatedly gotten the sense that you're of the same faction with yume

[drealmerz7]

and a head of a hydra that is a mason can't do that because ... ?

[drealmerz7]

Im not gonna posit that we're obv town but its not the smartest idea to form associations like that
given our sparse in thread ISO and information that you don't have, its rather premature

all I said was that I've gotten the repeated sense, how can a repeated sense be premature? sounds defensive and that sort of defensiveness strikes me as more likely to come from a true assertion rather than not

[drealmerz7]

*thumbs up to mcmenno*

[drealmerz7]

but these mechanics don't make sense to me with me for masons.

Masons don't make sense mechanicly
lynch them.

take me through it

why? I don't see the issue

[drealmerz7]

we agreed with Xiao that he should pop it today.

I don't understand what this phrase means?

and, treading this ground lightly and obviously don't reveal shit that you shouldn't, but, how do you know about a specific role?

[drealmerz7]

uhhh, yeah, I thought that was an obvious tree-stumping...

[drealmerz7]

ok so you're talking about the stumperizer ability is what you used that required the reporter to be alive to work, got it, interesting

[drealmerz7]

wtf is keely?

[drealmerz7]

and we're supposed to know that?

[drealmerz7]

no fucking shit I do now, wtf?

VOTE: Furude Hanyu

let's get a move on, ppls

[drealmerz7]

paraphrase and explain what about it didn't come off as it to you

[drealmerz7]

and so what do you think could have happened with titus being stumped?

[drealmerz7]

@Almost - why claim NOT to be / have an ability that you think could be a player ability?

[drealmerz7]

convenient, safe, weak, too small, a bit obvious even

[drealmerz7]

and you asked "who's scum" and they told you more about who is town and PoEd their scumpool, just bad

[drealmerz7]

UNVOTE:

Hold on is everyone just straight up fucking town.

?

fathers of death

the state

the dead

...

?

[drealmerz7]

hard to agree or disagree with a non-reasoned list

I think methodology is important in considering the agree/disagree factor because it's not like they're specifically SRing any of the slots in their pool (that they've elaborated on / shown why they think it) , it's different than agreeing/disagreeing with scumreads

I haven't really ruled anyone out from being possible scum at this point (well, aside from you) - so to me it's kind of meaningless, and again, safe and obvious

[drealmerz7]

I've stated my SRs already, they are:

zachali
gork
yume

everyone else could be scum except you, it doesn't mean I have a SR on them

[drealmerz7]

You see, I kinda hate your SRs but I think you're trying so I'd like more detail on some other players to generate discussion without making you feel bad.

it's D1, I don't have much and that is pretty normal for me on D1

you know I talk and share what I've got when I've got it and think it's good to talk about and share it

I don't try to solve the whole game on D1, I've got some reads I'm comfortable with pursuing and lynching and that is enough for me on D1

I'd like people to vote, wagons to build, and to go from there

this is like grandma-blitz mafia

[drealmerz7]

read the fucking game please, vax, it's not that long and, ya know, is crucial

[drealmerz7]

titus, do you feel like you could have been dayvigged by the fathers of the dead?

[drealmerz7]

read the fucking game please, vax, it's not that long and, ya know, is crucial

I saw the mod clarification, just asking if I missed anything crucial.

and I'm asking you to read the thread instead of just skim

[drealmerz7]

she died during the Day...

[drealmerz7]

but these mechanics don't make sense to me with me for masons.

Masons don't make sense mechanicly
lynch them.

take me through it

why? I don't see the issue

[drealmerz7]

how much have you played with mcmenno?

[drealmerz7]

If McMahon's ISO is lazy, what do you think of Van's?

I don't even know who the fuck you're talking about here.

ali, you're just ignoring me now?

[drealmerz7]

vax is a terrible LHF vote if he's the dead - could be scum but no, bad vote

I might be able to be convinced on desp today, but I prefer zachali by a LOT

[drealmerz7]

low hanging fruit is a garbage phrase and just shows you agree he's scummy

uhhh, no

[drealmerz7]

but I prefer zachali by a LOT

Ima keep it 100, I checked out on your reads after I seen you had Gorkington as scum

this is a really stupid way to play and I don't actually believe you I just think you're using it as an excuse to not really engage with me

"oh I don't agree with someone's SR because I strong TR their SR I'm just going to ignore all their other reads"

terribad, really, and unbelievable coming from your slot, you can just die

[drealmerz7]

if you're so confident in a TR you should try to convince me he's not scum, no?

[drealmerz7]

wow, that's an utter shit convince job there

all you need to do is explain why you think his stances are town, it has nothing to do with my view of his slot, but yours, show me yours and perhaps I'll see what you see and not think he's scum

you know, playing mafia

[drealmerz7]

going from that, if you're so sure he's town, what makes you so sure I'm not a vig who is going to put a bullet in his ass and you should be convincing me not to?

going from that you think his stances are town, are then so familiar with his scum game to know that he can't be that way as scum?

[drealmerz7]

can we please turn this 90-year-old grandma blitz AT LEAST into an 80-year-old grandma blitz?

[drealmerz7]

that has nothing to do with meta

it has to do with skill

and you know it

LYNCH FURUDEHANYU!!!

[drealmerz7]

drixx, can you elaborate on "obvious reasons" a bit?

[drealmerz7]

I hope maf rolls you guys lmao

such a town attitude!

Still trying to process Titus breaking our hearts tbh

attempt at AtE: failed

Thank God we don't have another ability we'd just be lynched for the sake of it

attempt at AtE #2: failed

btw zachali has been nothing but a scumfuck in our PT, I didn't tell them a gd thing, I did try to work with them, talk with them, but, once they knew I was reading them as state, they abandoned me and didn't even try to work with me or convince me otherwise, they know I've got them pegged

[drealmerz7]

that's not true though, titus

I'm not always correct, but I'm often correct when I feel this way

[drealmerz7]

about you in everhope, you in days of yore, gamma and secret agent jin in that motivated game (you were in that with me, right?), oh and jaereed's mininormal, you know where I was on rb's ass all D1 and wouldn't let up and then you Fed up the rest of the game after I got NKed

wrong about you in christmas party but you were BENDER and we were looking for an SK and bender's tagline is KILL ALL HUMANS, you can't hold that against me!!!

many examples of me being right when confident

p-edit: ya, how convenient zachali! makes no sense that you'd not try to work with me on my reads if you think I'm that wrong if you're town

[drealmerz7]

ohya, superconfident on varsoon in this game for pieguyn, again, D1 (mostly bringing this up for varsoon!)

a good many

[drealmerz7]

that's why we're voting you...because we think you're scum

[drealmerz7]

how on earth do you have such a confident read on me on D1? that is ludicrous

[drealmerz7]

btw expressing townreads on D1 is badplay, just fyi

I know ppl love to do it, but it is BADBADBAD, it just gives scum a map to success

[drealmerz7]

btw it's just like a member of the state to be up in everyone's business (open up a PT with them to monitor them, try and get info from them)

btw expressing townreads on D1 is badplay, just fyi

I know ppl love to do it, but it is BADBADBAD, it just gives scum a map to success

Drealmerz please stop coaching.

no, MS needs coaching from people that aren't you

[drealmerz7]

or you could like, try to convince us that you're town...

p-edit: ummm, you should not be using code talk in a fucking mafia game, yume, wtfffff

[drealmerz7]

well that is an ego problem, get your ego out of it and realize I'm competent as much as it'd make you feel better about yourself if you didn't think that

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno is a terrible D1 lynch in almost any game

I would say even moreso here, especially in comparison to zachali, who we have a ton of association info about and content from (on top of them more likely to be scum)

I'm all for STU (slaughtering the useless), and that definitely applies to mcmenno in most games, but not on D1, not unless there's nothing else good to go on

[drealmerz7]

btw, titus, taking your vote off when someone is at L-1 = bad play most of the time
L-2 is not L-1 no matter how much you want it to be in spirit and not allowing someone to sit at L-1 changes the gamestate

you have to allow for the potential of hammers coming when you don't want them because it actually allows you to read shit BETTER if it happens, and the likelihood of it happening before a claim or the Day's business is done is low enough the "omg let's be safe" is almost never a payoff, best to just generate reads naturally based on the natural state of the game

it allows you to go "hmmm, was that a scum quickhammer because they wanted to secure a lynch? was it a buddy hammer for distancing / towncred? was it a buddy hammer for suppression of information?" among other options

[drealmerz7]

If Alisae is town and McMenno scum, I will come for you.

right, it'll be all my fault

you can't bear to see the fucking truth in what I say, can you?

give me an argument as to why mcmenno is a good lynch today and I'll listen

[drealmerz7]

unless he changes his ways, mcmenno needs to die before XYLO anyway

[drealmerz7]

go troll GD like you normally do and leave it out of the game

[drealmerz7]

overbearing? wow, if the tiny tiny bit I've said here about how to play mafia that I think is RELEVANT TO THIS GAME is too much for you to handle...wowchh, you probably shouldn't play mafia

[drealmerz7]

ummm, he's the one talking shit, like he likes to do, he's the one who should have not said anything, give him shit, not me

[drealmerz7]

I never said I was amazing, I never said everyone else is terrible

I said towns in general on MS suck (do I hear anyone arguing?) and can use some improvement and I'd like to contribute to that by bringing some of my theory to games because I actually have decent game knowledge and can see how things can improve

I'm not doing it unfoundedly and I'm not doing it where it is irrelevant, but where it is relevant and applicable

[drealmerz7]

thanks for the advice I will try

I'm a fucking blunt direct motherfucker with a tendancy to call ppl on their shit without much coddling it definitely often doesn't come off as trying to be helpful even though that's what it is!

[drealmerz7]

why are you even playing this game, vax?

[drealmerz7]

then replace the fuck out and let someone in the game who actually wants to play

[drealmerz7]

another Day if he doesn't shape up, just like mcmenno he can become a STU lynch D2 or D3 imo

[drealmerz7]

apparently I'm lining up Vax and McMenno because I don't want useless lurksacks who aren't doing a GD thing to contribute to the game and are hard to sort because of that to live to end-game

if it were 1 day before XYLO right now scum would love those 2 to be alive, don't you agree, chara?

didn't really read anything just opened the thread a couple pages back (wasn't sure which it was on when I left off) and saw that ridiculous statement

I'll be back later to read the case on mcmenno which better be REALLY FUCKING GOOD

you really think scum just lets a town furudehanyu sit there at L-1 that long and not hammer so mcmenno can be wagoned?

ugh

[drealmerz7]

scum could be on wagon, scum could want to run the clock and force town to do dirty work for them, scum could be AWOL, scum could be cowards, or yes furude could be scum. theres lots of options on the table.

no fucking shit

and which is most likely?

[drealmerz7]

I'm guessing you aren't lynched because people don't want to be held responsible if you actually flip town.

this is terrible, it's fucking mafia, this is how the game is played

seriously what the fuck is this shit?

Almond Charizard:
Both are possible.
If Darude is town then it's both scum and town people not wanting to be reverse wagoned.
If Darude is scum, then it's town people with cold feet or scum holding out for the chance that Darude isn't lynched.
At this point, it's pointless to worry about it and either just lynch Darude or lynch someone else.

WHAT?!?!?! this is fucking stupid and useless, just like the above fucking quote of yours

THIS IS MAFIA THIS IS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED, it's not "pointless to worry about" IT'S THE FUCKING THING TO FIGURE OUT

Mcmenno's " I don't give a shit but I've also nailed scum" attitude allows him to coast

His best posts are in the realm of theory which is meaningless
He pushed Almost Chara like he didn't want them lynched
Besides that he's not offered much to comment on


That's not a town iso

laying down a blanket "this is not town iso" is terrible and you know it, especially for mcmenno, especially on a D1

ugh, how is this still alive? oh right because it's scum who has private communication WITH EVERY SINGLE PLAYER and their buds aren't going to wagon

It looks like we're just dying lol

this is zach as scum with very little doubt in my mind

Also optimal play with this role as scum wouldn't be to neighborize everyone in the game lmfao, too much room for error

which you only came to realize after you did it and you're like 'WHOOOOPS, that didn't go as I hoped'

mcmenno is flipflopping back and forth between overconfidence on furude being scum to just kind of being there asking them dispassionate questions as if hes trying to sort them still

and this is scum and not town because??????????

^^^^
i don't have anything to add. i've been able to townread McMenno in other games because i see what he's doing, so i don't care for letting him off the hook day one because he's McMenno.
~Chara

WHAT!?!?!

"I could TR him in other games and I'm not here so he's scum" - seriously?!??!

Do you guys really think scum is going to act like Farude is? Take a hard stance against a mason claim putting themselves out there int he light?

yes, I find it possible and more likely with who is doing it and how they went about it

For reals yo, the line you took makes a hell of a lot more sense coming from scum than town. Unfortunately, I know you're not stupid, so I can't just assume you're bad town doing a dumb thing because you convinced yourself it actually had value....

so much fucking this

You're assuming we're bold enough to make risky plays as scum but not competent enough to achieve a desired result with them, first of all

omg, no

NO NO NO NO NO

just because you tried and failed doesn't mean RR is saying "you have the balls to try but not the skill to succeed" - it means you tried and failed and he's calling you on it and you changing the way the piss hits the ceramic doesn't change anything

Neighborizing everyone would be bad as scum, you're more likely to say something dumb or contradictory btw

which is what you've come to realize in hindsight

AND WHY YOU'VE GONE COMPLETELY SILENT IN OUR HOOD

does anyone notice how the only thing vax has done is defend zachali?!?!?!

THE ONLY THING

Gork, do you prefer desp to mcmenno? If not, why do you even offer them as an alternative? And why is Menno the first one you suggestion, purely wagon count? If so, I'd like to remind yout that Xiao and us will be voting together, and hopefully Titus too, and we're all active so significant wagon swings can happen.

i just gave reasoning for why i think hes scummy. desp is just there and my vote was an extension of that feeling of him just kind of being there. mcmenno has had literally no reaction to me starting to push him and is calling furude scum/potshotting them over and over while also asking questions as if hes still trying to sort them (which kind of reads as dissonant with the strength of the read that hes pushing?).

I'm not defending mcmenno, I'm telling you he does this as either alignment

So you want to lynch myself and mcmenno. But ask for a case on mcmenno.

Also that case better be good.

this is scum twist at its worst which is what vax does at scum because he's not good at it

NO, I want to lynch farude, ya know if you were actually reading the thread and paying attention to what is going on you might know that

*does the rest of reading catching up trying to stay calm*

holy fuck

we can lynch farude or vax but farude is a better info lynch and is still likely scum

[drealmerz7]

eeehhhhhh

sorry for the rage

*sigh*

[drealmerz7]

that is what scum say ^^^

[drealmerz7]

if that slot is town they engage me in the hood and in game thread and talk to me about why I'm wrong and work with me (especially when they're TRing me) to show me why and...yeah...no...zachali is scum

[drealmerz7]

I want to self but that's not good play

it's actually optimal scumplay so go ahead I won't cry a tear for not being able to have a hammer to read on your wagon

[drealmerz7]

Lynch me now
You know what our reads are

huh?

that's the cue for you to vote your scumbud before the wagon turns on you and you're forced to claim that much more making it hard for your team to win

[drealmerz7]

if that slot is town they engage me in the hood and in game thread and talk to me about why I'm wrong and work with me (especially when they're TRing me) to show me why and...yeah...no...zachali is scum

its also possible that pace of a blitz game + 12 other PTs makes engaging with every player difficult regardless of whether theyre town or scum?

very very very little possibility with the relationship I have with zach (I dunno, zach, how would you categorize it? decent enough friends outside of mafia? not like we're super close but for me closer than most ppl I know on MS) AND with how he engages with me in every single other game we've been town together in

especially since I'm one of the biggest proponents of their wagon

if it flips town I'm going to be actually upset on a personal level that zach didn't try to work with me more to convince me they weren't - I like playing with him and would like to not be SRing him and have him on my townteam

[drealmerz7]

tone is bullshit a lot of the time

no, you just have to be able to read it and it can have many layers to interpret

most people just suck at reading tone consistently well, but there are times when it is obvious too

his assertion about tone of vax vs. mcmenno is spot on (and rather obvious?)

[drealmerz7]

dreal, that i've read McMenno as town before and am not doing so here isn't why i want him lynched. it's why i don't agree with "McMenno shouldn't be lynched on day 1" .
~Chara
:

okay, but why SHOULD he be lynched?

[drealmerz7]

ya its my responsibility to sort out your read on us dreal

way to use rhetoric to twist and skirt the issue

you either want to convince people you're town or you don't if you're getting pushed by them, with me you didn't care to bother trying and the only reason is because you're not town, if you were, you would have tried

[drealmerz7]

you mean sarcastic?

[drealmerz7]

fuzzy goes to the "STU" pile starting tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

yume+vaxkiller = distancing votes on farudehanyu

[drealmerz7]

you can just self-hammer if you're scum vax, you don't have to consult your scumchat for what tactic to use next

die is the tactic, do what you can with it

[drealmerz7]

...as he consults his scum chat...

[drealmerz7]

prots on me pls

[drealmerz7]

does it tell you what the ability does?

are you seriously rolefishing other players at L-1? haha

[drealmerz7]

*polishing hammer*

[drealmerz7]

don't unvote wtf f do I have to repeat my theory post from yesterday?

not going to hammer when there's been a request not to

[drealmerz7]

this is why we need to campaign against terrible shit play on MS!

you don't fucking vote if you're not caught up and / or don't know the current vote count

EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[drealmerz7]

and in a blitz closing in on deadline?

anyone oopsie voting needs flogged

[drealmerz7]

that's why you almost always PL dumbhammerers

then they disappear as a thing and are only something scum do to try and get away with shit but it becomes really not a thing ever

[drealmerz7]

not an awful point but

because I'm trying to work with people and I already do enough to piss off fellow players, I have enough respect for that slot to not just be like "eh FU and your valid concerns which I wish weren't valid concerns"

[drealmerz7]

you cant discourage shitty play by policy lynching it.

nonsense

[drealmerz7]

gork, you realize town wins more games if they play better, right? part of playing better is eliminating craphammers, increasing town accountability for being aware of the game state, not just voting when you want to vote but when it makes sense to vote (and it doesn't make sense to cast a vote if you're not caught up)

[drealmerz7]

...

*whispers in mcmenno's ear*

"on my homesite"

[drealmerz7]

it's not gamethrowing at all and all you're doing is perpetuating the problem by letting people play like shit without consequences

people will learn REALLY FAST certain things if certain consequences are put upon them and become site meta

THIS IS WHY TOWNS PLAY LIKE SHIT IN GENERAL ON MS, it's a double-whammy, because town is playing like shit and because scum can then play like shit and get away with it because "well could be shit town!"

ok more post game if you like but nothing much happening here so *rant*

[drealmerz7]

did you ask if it applied to N0/D1 ?

[drealmerz7]

you're not being clear, what is 'this' ability?

[drealmerz7]

...

not sure how to read that other than totally scummy making me want to lynch you first...

[drealmerz7]

but he's clearly shown not to be paying attention or thinknig about things and a list doesn't counter all the other evidence to that

why don't we wagon 4 other people before deadline, get all the claims, and then lynch farude because it's the least valuable to town

SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA

[drealmerz7]

1.) There's no way a scum!Vax doesn't outright claim the flavor of that. 2.)The way he claimed is townie,

~D

1.) what? but town has no flavor to claim and scum know that so I'm either confused or you just scumslipped thinking town has flavor which you'd know they don't if you were town?

2.) not in the slighest, I was here, he was put to L-1, and delayed, and delayed, and we waited....and then he claimed, like he was waiting for scumbuddy instruction or a fakeclaim from the mod

[drealmerz7]

ffs

you all hurt my head except mcmenno right now

mcmenno is more right than the rest of you

the state is more of a threat to the dead's wincon than fathers of death, it's that simple

[drealmerz7]

yume you need to make a large effort to suck less

[drealmerz7]

and y'all need to make an effort to lynch someone,

do you even read before making stupid statements like this?

the people currently active in the game are doing a fuckload more than you're doing to achieve a lynch

get your head out of your ass, seriously

[drealmerz7]

aye, mcmenno, it's any faction, but that doesn't remove the fact that based on the wording state are more of a threat than fathers

like just draw some pictures of the lowest possible way the dead can win with each wincon and it becomes easy

[drealmerz7]

in-flavour it wouldn't make sense to have Elec Man die multiple times.

electric man died wha?

he's dead in the flavor, a sign from the man in the tower or whatever that he's in charge or whatever the fuck I don't remember exactly

[drealmerz7]

my educated guess based on the wincon stuff provided is:

the state win if they gain control (standard scum wincon, makes sense flavorwise for state, they just need to have the #s to keep in control - the only difference here is that the #s are a combination of the dead and fathers of dead, so it doesn't matter if it's 3state vs 3dead or 3 state vs 2dead+1fathersofdeath, they just need to get control)

fathers of death win if they aren't eliminated by game's end (at least 1 member of the faction is alive regardless of if state or dead win) - it's like a survivor faction?

[drealmerz7]

ftr I asked varsoon at the start of the game if the 'blocking' that resulted in Almost_Chara's D1 votenull by Elec Man represent an action that was taken by a player and I wasn't allowed to know that information, if that helps anyone with anything

[drealmerz7]

wait fuck I might be backwards again

fuck

[drealmerz7]

yume I've been in like 4 games with you and you were useless every time

show me something new and I'll start thinking differently

[drealmerz7]

yume I've been in like 4 games with you and you were useless every time

show me something new and I'll start thinking differently

Were you with me in Mini 1936, bro?

don't think so

anyway, my goal isn't to be rude, but to kick you in the ass to do things

I understand D1 not being your Day, it is rarely my Day too, but you came on and criticized ppl for not doing shit when you yourself are not doing shit so, you see my issue? (especially when there are a handful of us doing shit)

p-edit: or is he scum who was simply given a fakeclaim to look like megaman because "haha lynching based on claims instead of on scumness is a good way to play" is what varsoon thinks?

[drealmerz7]

i mean shit hopefully we can lynch him before my cats graduate from medical school in siberia

do you have an address so I can send a carepackage of micicles?

[drealmerz7]

ok great, yume, looking forward to you in the next Days

still have a scumlean on you though

no, most players don't agree he's town, just a # of those that were voting him are giving him a pass because of his claim - a tactic that I think is generally bad play (it's not soething you never do but, for me here the claim isn't enough to dissuade his lynch)

[drealmerz7]

no mcmenno has shown me enough that he's off my lynch pool for today

and we don't need any mor efucking claims FUCKING FUCK this just sounds like RR is trying to get a bunch of claims almost

furudehanyu or vax

[drealmerz7]

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: FURUDE HANYU

good luck getting me to move it again before EoD if I even acknowledge that I've checked the thread before lock after this post FFS this is not how you play a D1

furude should have been the lynch and that should have been it all this is excess crap that scum just looooooooooove and really just makes things a clusterfuck going forward

find a good lynch on D1, lynch it, it's that simple

furude was that lynch, and still can be, but with a lot more collateral damage and fuckshitmess to wade through

[drealmerz7]

no it's turned into an utter clusterfuck now, we were working together before, now it's a clusterfuck

I mean it'll probably work out and we'll have a lynch by deadline because ... well maybe not, I don't know, and am no longer invested in this Day

xioa I didn't fucking hammer because there wasn't a claim yet, wtf? then when there was it was L-2 AND we'd been asked to wait 30 mins for drixx, not an unreasonable request

[drealmerz7]

That's fair, but what is your current read on Van?

scumfuck galore

[drealmerz7]

You're just scum aren't you?

no, you're just bad :þ

[drealmerz7]

That's fair, but what is your current read on Van?

scumfuck galore

Then why not vote him now instead of Darude?

you've been very concerned with my vote placement since the start of the game and it starting to rub me the wrong way

[drealmerz7]

wait no that was gork in regards to you

ohshit now my brain is fuzzy

seriously fuck this Day already it should have been over 2x over by now

[drealmerz7]

You're just scum aren't you?

no, you're just bad :þ

do realize I don't say this with 100% cutting glare but with a bit of soft "haha cause we shit talk each other so much" throwback

[drealmerz7]

the vanquised evil robot.

is this flavor knowledge from you knowing the megamn universe? Elec Man is evil for sure?

[drealmerz7]

Did you actually not understand the progression from his ability claim to literally the ONLY characters in the flavor who have that ability?

and this can't be a fakeclaim for scum and they would have no realistic equal potential for having that ability?

[drealmerz7]

RR, you're saying that varsoon puts megaman/protoman in the game, says there's no way for the dead to discern their role via given abilities, and then you discern the role by given abilities? it seems not right

[drealmerz7]

The point is that his ability if he's town is valuable and that changes the equation.
~D

because scum are going to claim an ability that doesn't make you make this statement? if that's true just vote furude, ya?

varsoon doesn't fuck with player assumptions? you don't think he went "hmmm, if I have a PL in this game that all know the universe they're going to know this is protoman/megaman, but I'm putting him in the game anyway and GL scum trying to lynch that slot" ??? or similar

I mean, if I'm making this setup I don't even put megaman/protoman in the game, he's TOO big

ohhhh ppl hurt my head

omg NO havo SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED today - holy fucking shit that is terribad to suggest

OMG FUCKING ENTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[drealmerz7]

heh, desp, just ignore that shittalker(s) it's what I gotta do so the game doesn't go uberblah

[drealmerz7]

that doesn't make sense

he's not defeating anyone on a daily basis unless he's scum making NKs...

[drealmerz7]

then has the ability to use on our behalf.
~Drixx

except for not

because he's more likely to just use it against town

[drealmerz7]

errr, if that is not clear, more likely to use it against town *unwittingly because those are the odds and so we're probably just looking at town not having another vote tomorrow

aye?

[drealmerz7]

Desp are you willing to lynch McMenno?

on a general level? yes. after laundry i can't imagine what it'd take to make me not want to lynch menno

at this specific moment? no.

:O

[drealmerz7]

did vaxkiller just up and disappear or

I was wondering that about you and vax

mcmenno and desp are bad lynches

vax or furude are best

[drealmerz7]

*wishes he were SK and was aiminig to kill all of you*

it's just easier that way

AND MORE FUN

[drealmerz7]

go ahead mcm I'll swing on there before DL if needed