Mini 1959 - Protomen Blitz : Game Over

[Desperado]

hi

i'll be able to read the thread tomorrow, need sleep now

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Almond Charizard: Oh god, I hope most people caught the reference and don’t think I have a weird Cheetos fetish

Idk, why would town Dream be flustered?

vote: Dreamsicle

More interested in this now

Why?

~Ali

Cheetos seems ok atm
Dreamsicle seems flustered

Xiao: answer 59, please?

someone stop me from reading Xiao's move onto dreal as picking the easier town in the conversation to go after. or don't, i don't mind.
~Chara

Why’s he easier?

As for 59, cause the info post said scum are called father of the dead and Cheetos’ first post sounded like a dad. I was saying that was him outing himself

Did I not explain why I unvoted Dreamsicle?

The Tito and Dreamsicle interaction gives me a town feeling for Dreamsicle now anyways.
Tito seems more headstrong than the last time I played with her, and I’ve only played with town Tito. That’s about the extent of the content y’all gave me.

P Edit: wtf

why are you intentionally misspelling everyone's name?

did a quick check and couldn't find a previous game where you did this

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my vote is now fluid between xiao, gork, and yume

1/3 aint bad i guess

vote: xiao

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Despacito joins the line of people voting me for weak/no reasons. Gotta be at least one scum there.

not interested in answering my question?

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no, i read the whole thread.

you say it's fun and helps you sort people, i say it's deliberately opaque and makes it more difficult for people to follow your reads

tomato, tomato

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its not that its hard to tell who you're talking about, it's that it's more difficult to follow your reads

as in, if i ISO you i have to remember that you've referred to drealmerz as 3 different names and ctrl+f all of those different nickanmes that dont need to exist

so i went into a few of your games to see if this was a pattern and didnt find any other examples of you doing it

so i asked you directly

ive plenty else to comment on but this is what im choosing to comment on right now

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unvote
vote: vaxkiller

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vax is still an excellent vote

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low hanging fruit is a garbage phrase and just shows you agree he's scummy

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@ titus I'm not really sure why I'm even an option right now so I'll go with...because I'm town

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@ dreal we could just lynch him

being a scumfuck, and all

[Desperado]

Please, stop pigeonholing me with my low activity over the weekend, im here now and will have similar activity on MOST weekdays. I'm not fucking around with my dreal vote, is it not being taken seriously because its too close to deadline?

no one thinks your scum because you haven't been active

[Desperado]

I want mcmenno or desp, but no one gives a fuck. Towns just going to eat itself alive

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I may be biased cause Despacito’s case on me was FUCKING TRASH

what case???

lol i poked at you at the very beginning of the game for something that i still believe is designed to be intentionally misleading--and something you're still doing despite several people asking you not to--and your mason partner spilled the beans five seconds later

[Desperado]

Desperado's focus on the nickname thing could be from scum but it's a very small sample size to speculate off of and he's a bad lynch atm
Just my two cents

FUZZY is more suspicious...

"focus" are you guys high or something?

and this question is meant specifically for you

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rr/titus, i havent played a varsoon game in a little while, does he usually provide fakeclaims/fakeclaim PMs at the start of the game for scum?
or do you have to request something and he fills in the details?

everyone

has

the same

role pm

[Desperado]

Don't be sour drealmerz7. Vax is probably town. I'm not happy about it. I had him firmly as a scum read until the moment I realized what he was claiming. There's no way a scum!Vax doesn't outright claim the flavor of that. The way he claimed is townie, and what he has for an ability is an exact description of how megaman gains abilities.

I think Desperado is the play today, unless people don't want to give us time to re-evaluate Furude. I'm going to pepper Furude with questions when I'm done my packing list for today and I will make sure Xiao knows what we think and why before night ends in case we don't live. I believe Furude COULD be town, and if they are town, then we need to make scum kill them. Town!Furude can collect results claims and funnel them to Titus so Titus ends up knowing who does what and Titus can then claim results and insulate people from outing themselves to give info.

I would NOT recommend people just blindly trust Furude yet, but it's too much upside to throw away, especially given something they said that I don't believe even comes from them as scum.

~D

there's no way scum vax doesn't outright claim that flavor even tho it's public knowledge that none of us know our flavor?!?!

[Desperado]

Don't be sour drealmerz7. Vax is probably town. I'm not happy about it. I had him firmly as a scum read until the moment I realized what he was claiming. There's no way a scum!Vax doesn't outright claim the flavor of that. The way he claimed is townie, and what he has for an ability is an exact description of how megaman gains abilities.

scum Vax who knows we all have Citizen PMs doesn't claim the flavour of that unless he's really that bad.
~Chara

Vax never claimed any flavor what are you talking abouttttt

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Anyways. Desp or Menno? Vax gets a pass cuz maybe protoman.

..........

vax gets a pass for something you just made up????

[Desperado]

its not.
the.
exact.
same.
for.
every.
player.
if you have.
a.
role.

understand how the game works before you write something that makes you sound like a fucking moron.

you keep talking about vaxs flavor when he explicitly can't know it

[Desperado]

so if you mean his ABILITY then maybe you should say that

then we can talk about how vax can easily be scum with the role he ha claimed

[Desperado]

Yep.

Risk/reward+testable role.

-Cerb

you're joking right

[Desperado]

i don't care who you think his claimed ability is meant to mimic. it literally could not mean less to me.

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rr/titus, i havent played a varsoon game in a little while, does he usually provide fakeclaims/fakeclaim PMs at the start of the game for scum?
or do you have to request something and he fills in the details?

wow look at all of the flavour i was talking about in this post you responded to. lolllllllllllllll

this post is still really really dumb

we all have the same pm

we all have abilities

they could all be town or scum

^this is how varsoon operates.

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like this exact situation is what varsoon tries to avoid

a claim in a varsoon game should NEVER result in a pass

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its for whether or not the mechanics provided in the fakeclaim are provided by varsoon or not you mouthbreather.

what don't you get about the fact that we don't need fakeclaims in this game because we all have a generic town role pm and abilities????

the abilities can go either way

vax isn't faking anything

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Pedit: ya, agree with furude here. Desp is being lynched for being useless so far, and menno is kinda the same but scummier, but we're lynching Desp for some reason. O.o

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like this exact situation is what varsoon tries to avoid

a claim in a varsoon game should NEVER result in a pass

i'm not townreading Vax because his claim sounds like it could be mega man. i'm townreading the mistaken assumption that everyone has the same role PM.
~Chara

that is not a mistake?!?!?!

we really do all have the same fucking role pm

what is the matter with you guys

[Desperado]

again, illustrating that youre not following the discussion and just simplifying it down to "anyone can have any role". read what happened with vax's claim again and people's thoughts on it. im not going to spoonfeed it to you when youre being an asshat about it.

no you guys are just flat out wrong

[Desperado]

and gork and RR, just cut the shit. calling me useless or a mouthbreather or caliming i'm not following along...just go fuck yourselves

[Desperado]

flavor is irrelevant because no one is claiming flavor because we all know that townies DONT KNOW THEIR FUCKING FLAVOR

we also have roles that are contained within that standard town role PM that can be either town or scum roles so there is no need for additional fake claims

[Desperado]

and this ENTIRE FUCKING DISCUSSION is exactly what varsoon tries to avoid by designing his games this way

look at vax's play and make a fucking decision. if you were certain vax was scum before he claimed then nothing should have changed afterwards, no matter what level of import you place on what you THINK his ability implies about his flavor

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From my understanding everyone has the same citizen pm but different roles.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

that attempting to clear anyone based on how genuine they look while claiming their role is stupid because there's no need to lie about anything in this game

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desp thinks we think that vax is town because he claimed protoman or because we dont think vaxkiller can fakeclaim.

when it should be pretty clear that the contingents are:
i) that in order for vax to be scum, its like he would have had to have been provided fakeclaim material that made him look like protoman
ii) he would have had to have thought that everyone in the game got the same role, which if hes a part of the state, he likely knows that his scummates have differently formatted fakeclaims than he does.
OR he had to have thought "oh if i do this crazy roundabout thing, everyone will think that i overthought the VT claim as slightly different than VT-VT." i think both of those cases are pretty unlikely.

but apparently we're all just idiots and dont know that we have similarly formatted rolePMs because desperado is so smart and has been following along with the game so closely unlikely everyone else. hurp de durp.

sighhhhhhhhh

[Desperado]

Dude. Megaman gains the powers of the evil robots he defeats. We have a day start post telling us Elecman was defeated but stopped AC from being able to vote before that happened.

Then Vax claims to get the power from the vanquised evil robot.

So that's about as obvious as it can be that his ability means he's megaman or protoman. That's not "just made up" ... it's the freaking flavor of the game we're playing. And Varsoon is always spot on with flavor.

Did you actually not understand the progression from his ability claim to literally the ONLY characters in the flavor who have that ability?

what i understand is that one scum faction being forced to give the other scum faction a 1 shot role that is publicly announced sounds like Good Modding to me and that ANY attempt WHATSOEVER to clear vax based on his claim

in a varsoon game that is explicitly designed to avoid that situation

is negligent

you said vax was firmly scum to you until he claimed and now he's town because of the way he claimed and you're not happy about it and its terrible

[Desperado]

There are literally only two possible characters he can be. Megaman or Protoman. They are the robots who gain the powers of the evil robots they defeat. His power literally cannot belong to any other character. Obviously we can't be 100% sure, but you HAVE played Varsoon games before right? Flavor is always meticulous. There's no world in which Vax isn't Megaman/Protoman.

now you can talk about why megaman/protoman has to be town

[Desperado]

What would a scum!Vax with the role he claimed imply about the day start flavor and AC being rendered voteless? Do you think both can be scum? I'm thinking not, which is why I said Vax should get a pass today and be forced to engage heavily and get sorted the traditional way. His posts today haven't been great, but between the reads list which does not look like a scum faked reads list and the fact that his role is literally what the hero does in megaman, there's a pretty solid chance he's just lynchbait.

I'd much rather not take away what seems like a very solid utility role just because you think his role (and the implications of it) shouldn't be calculated into the decision on how to proceed. I mean ... if that was the case, why even wait and ask for a claim ever? Sometimes claims change the risk/reward balance. This one did.

Get over it and maybe do something at all that is townie?

i don't understand your 1st paragraph or what relevant it has to anything i've said

varsoon explicitly designs games so that waiting and asking for claims and incorporating them into your decision making process hurts town. all of the arguments that have been put forth for why vax is town post-claim are absolutely awful.

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RR, you're saying that varsoon puts megaman/protoman in the game, says there's no way for the dead to discern their role via given abilities, and then you discern the role by given abilities? it seems not right

ya but i'm the mouthbreathing useless piece of shit

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Desperado]

Sure it could be a fake claim. Varsoon has even made the "hero" outright scum before. The point is that his ability if he's town is valuable and that changes the equation. If we posit him as scum, that also raises a question about the day start usage of the ability.

i am so fucking done with letting people live because their role might help town

^this attitude loses games routinely. scumhunt, identify scum, and lynch them.

[Desperado]

Not uber strong but this wagon with near conftown on Desp and the fighting to go elsewhere suggest either a) Desp is scum with Drealmerz/McMenno/Yume (Don't think Yume is but evidence) OR b) Scum are apathetic and we should look at Fuzzy/AC.

wtf?

1) didn't you JUST say d1 vca is pointless?
2) havo and vax both being scum on me makes a lot more sense than the current wagon being all town and scum being off

[Desperado]

aight whatever. be shitheads. i dont care.
will hammer whoever.

are you serious bro?

pull your head out of your ass, smell the roses, and look in the fucking mirror.

[Desperado]

Vax has enough on the "let him live and sort him tomorrow" side to let live. That's simply all there is. His play and posts will either keep him alive or send him to the noose on a future day. Cool? Awesome.

no, not cool, not awesome

i'm not speaking theoretically here. i've lost multiple games, recently, because of this attitude. it's bullshit and it's not conducive to winning.

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P.S. - Since I doubt any of the rest of us have roles that can only possibly be like a single character, we are literally wasting a shit load of time for no reason on this.

Vax got a role that has super clear flavor implications. I suspect the rest of us didn't. It's therefore probably not useful to spend so much damned time on it.

Like ... anyone who doesn't know just go read up about megaman on a wiki. You'll very quickly see for yourself that he gains the powers of the evil robots he defeats. Boom bang bam.

There's literally no further adding on to that, and fucking around discussing it ad nauseum is going to lead to a rushed bad lynch or a no lynch. So just let it drop. There's literally no argument against Vax being Megaman or Protoman, and the only question then is whether Varsoon would give the hero to a scum team and trying to outguess Varsoon is like trying to kiss a Black Mamba. It's absurdly stupid and it will get you killed.

are you even listening to yourself?

you are trying to outguess varsoon

right now!

literally, in this post. i even bolded it for you just in case.

[Desperado]

Don't be sour drealmerz7. Vax is probably town. I'm not happy about it. I had him firmly as a scum read until the moment I realized what he was claiming. There's no way a scum!Vax doesn't outright claim the flavor of that. The way he claimed is townie, and what he has for an ability is an exact description of how megaman gains abilities.

???

this is exactly what i described

[Desperado]

Desp are you willing to lynch McMenno?

on a general level? yes. after laundry i can't imagine what it'd take to make me not want to lynch menno

at this specific moment? no.

[Desperado]

Congratulations. You just took advantage of me being crazy busy and making an overgeneralization. It's clearly true that I quoted his reads list and said it seemed townie to me (which you either missed or disregarded in favor of trying to make me look bad for my sweeping overgeneralization). There's even MORE bad in that post though: I also in that post you quoted made a bad assumption when I assumed Vax knew that his role could only be Megaman/Protoman and would have pushed that idea. That's not a safe assumption.

Some people seem to think that I claim to be perfect and never make mistakes. I've never claimed such, and you just fed me humble pie to prove it isn't so.

The point still stands that I did in fact post his reads list and I did in fact say that it did not look like a made up scum reads list. So you win the prize of realizing I'm human (and currently busy as fuck). Congratulations I guess?

.......

[Desperado]

i didn't take advantage of anything

that whole response is just...so over the top

[Desperado]

im sorry for calling you a mouthbreather desp. the implication you were making of my post being stupid make me feel like you were directly calling me stupid, which made me kneejerk an angry response.
i dont like how youre approaching the game but that doesnt warrant me being this shitty about it.
shouldnt open ms games when im this tired.

i'm sorry that the way i responded to your post made you feel like i was calling you stupid personally, that wasn't my intention

i just really, really don't understand how this entire thread of vax being town because of his claim and the flavor implications of it despite the fact that varsoon designs his games against that sort of logic in general and even more specifically in this game is even a thing and i can see how my posts came off as condescending.

[Desperado]

wow, more terrible stupid shit from you! SURPRISE!!! I MADE THIS POST AFTER YO MADE THE STATEMENT, THAT MEANS I AM LOOKING FOR EXAMPLES FROM BEFORE THIS POST YOU IGNORNAT FUCK

take a step back bro, this shit isn't OK

[Desperado]

things were fine until she came into the thread

AND FUCKING TROLLED

no, not really

you account for nearly 1/5 of the game's total posts and most of it has been you on edge

you've given the game a lot of energy but most of it is negative and now it's veering into inappropriate

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It's fine to be mad at her, but I think your reaction was pretty disproportionate. Idk y'alls relationship tho

I dunno, just chill dawg.

last I talked to her we had agreed not to sign up for games the other was in...I thought her signing up for this game while seeing my name in the PL was an attempt at working peaceably together

and yet she shittalks and trolls me, like she often does

she either needs to not address me or treat me with respect as a player

this is all totally reasonable stuff

it doesn't excuse your comments towards her in the last half hour or so

[Desperado]

did mcmenno have an intense fakeclaim in laundry

nah he claimed vt lol

[Desperado]

Not Voting (3): TheFuzzylogic99, Almost Chara, furude

hello??? mcfly?????

[Desperado]

is there any reason not to run up fuzzy/havo?

i'd do havo

[Desperado]

but i really just want to kill vax

[Desperado]

HAVO IS A TERRIBLE LYNCH IT SERIOUSLY TELLS US NOTHING IF IT IS WRONG AND I HAVE NO REAL PINGS AS SCUM THERE AT ALL (beacuse of lack of contribution, really)

and bingo is his name-o

[Desperado]

if vax is scum then havo is definitely scum

[Desperado]

i'm voteless

still want vax

[Desperado]

vote: vax

[Desperado]

Yeah I don’t trust that damn mason claim either.

I didn’t trust Farude and I was right and I don’t trust this.

??

farude was town

vax + havo / rr + xiao gg?

[Desperado]

no it didn't

there were plenty of pro-town applications for their role and they were in the process of achieving those when you guys lynched them

[Desperado]

There’s a reason she was lynched.

I’m not the only one who didn’t trust her slot.

But you’re probably enjoying her input about now

ya, scum stalled until deadline and then plurality lynched them lol

[Desperado]

You put town closer to losing although with a benefit?

this is the big one

not only did you derail a push on xiao who now believe to be confscum, but you also derailed the wagon on vax, who you are now saying is scum again

oh, and the person we ended up lynching instead of either of these scumfucks is also now scum because they got lynched

[Desperado]

vax and havo fod

rr and xiao state

pretty sure we're done here

[Desperado]

ya well i don't have a vote

so get to stumpin'

[Desperado]

like, stop bitching and whining at the conftown and let's lynch some scum

or keep being unnervingly self-centered and -masturbatory, whatever

[Desperado]

i...

what?

[Desperado]

i really couldn't care less what you did as scum that one time

[Desperado]

Dude. I can link you to every scum game ever. The one common thread is that both Cerb and I are ruthless fucks to our teammates. If they get themselves in trouble we ain't got shit to do with them. My first non-newbie game on site was SMITE, and my teammates got sacrificed like chess pieces so I could win.

You just pointed out that the net result of day one is that we probably helped 3 scum.

So ... either I just suddenly changed 10+ years of scum play ... or you just towncased me.

1) you seem to take a lot of pride in this playstyle and frankly, it's kind of gross

2) i...still don't care

[Desperado]

our respective opinions on the merits of bussing/cutting bait aside, it's no different than someone like mastina who never busses...except for when she does

you don't get to be town for doing pro-scum things

[Desperado]

That's fair. It's kind of academic at this point. I'm fairly sure Vax is gonna flip FoD and then ideally Xiao spits out a FoD guilty and the FoD ends up only being 2 people and it's a perfect win and everyone can celebrate. I really do gotta sleep tho.

why would xiao do this again??

[Desperado]

you, me, gork, yume, fuzzy, vax, and Desp.

yume and vax do not belong here and almost's logic for why one of them has to be scum is sound

ps it's vax, with havo

[Desperado]

Please explain it then. I see no logic. I have not heard you over Drealmerz and RR.

i mean

explain the game state if vax and yume are both town

[Desperado]

i already have

[Desperado]

You never lynch a cop before day before lylo.

omg just kill me

[Desperado]

They also block me from hearing others discussing why Yume/Vax/Xiao must have a scum and I have them all as lock town

whattttttt??????

who is scum if all three if these are town

[Desperado]

Wait. I won’t vote myself tho.

This feels townish.

???

no it doesn't

are you ok titus?

[Desperado]

RR or Drealmerz. Pick one. If I'm wrong, I'll just let Fuzzy take over.

brb lighting myself on fire

fuzzy???

[Desperado]

so I think I want to lynch people who aren't doing enough and honestly that goes back to desperado or havo

they are both saying towny enough things, but it's easier when it's multiball and it's not beyond desps range (and I don't TR him at all), I don't know havo so am not comfortable trying to lynch someone who I waffle on with scum and town pings with lower content when I don't know them (unless they're an alt?! of someone I do know)

I don't scumread any slots aside from yume :\

wait what the fuck has vax done???

[Desperado]

that's not what you said

[Desperado]

you said havo and i haven't done enough, which means vax has, so answer the question

[Desperado]

and you telling me to do that when I've clearly expressed why vax is scum is as bad as you're making Titus out to be

[Desperado]

desp you may want to run through why you think both pairings of scum that youve put forward are a thing again?
i keep seeing you saying that rr/xiao and vax/yume are scum over and over. i can get the logic on xiao/rr, i dont know if i understand why vax and yume are scum together?

no, it's vax and havo

[Desperado]

@ dreal i don't really care how you're interpreting my play. I'm voteless and we let two scum escape d1. someone they aren't on the table yet again even tho the arguments put forth for why either one was town we're terrible yesterday and havent improved

[Desperado]

oop. misread one of your posts while trying to figure out who you were saying was scum with vax.
okay, well, why are vax/havo scum together?

d1 associatives, if you double iso then im sure you'll see it

[Desperado]

and (desp), you aren't "feeling" good to me atm, Vax is

wish fuzzy were an option, really, he's done fuckall basically

???

looks like you just can't answer the question or???

[Desperado]

Like even in that post right there you are implying that vax has "done things" where fuzzy hasn't and i just don't get it

i also don't get why your scumdar is solely attuned to who has it hasn't "done things" when it's pretty clear that scum have a lot of control over the gamestate right now

[Desperado]

compared their ISOs, i moreso just feel like havo is scum, rather than that theyre scum together?

that's certainly a possibility

but they make sense as a team and vax has been scum from the word go

so that's what i'm going with

[Desperado]

I did answer what vax has done:

"he shaped up after most of D1, after giving a believable genuine answer about the weekend and his scumness on D1. He's been cooperative and shown actual signs of trying to sort the gamestate that I believe."

"and last I saw vax's scumgame wasn't too good, which is why I was all about him on D1, but, like I said, he's shaped up and actually doing well" (doing well seeming to genuinely be trying to figure out the game)

AND like I said, he "feels" good when he's making posts, I got a lot by feel / tone

AND like I said, I'm not fully discounting that he's not FoD, and IF he is, I still don't want to lynch him today, on top of already not feeling his lynch today, at all, especially since we can leash him

right so maybe i'm just missing where in these points vax is "doing things"

[Desperado]

are you normally this confident with your reads desp?

yes

[Desperado]

but they make sense as a team and vax has been scum from the word go

so that's what i'm going with

this is bad

ok pal

[Desperado]

and whats your track record in general? do you think your confidence in games is generally based in consistently good results when youre town or is it kind of mixed?

have you ever directly called out an entire scumteam before like youre doing here where you were right?

its definitely mixed, but i don't talk out loud when i'm doubting reads like a lot of people do. "player x could be town i guess because a but he could also be scum because b and c so i dunno" is the kind of thing that makes me want to vomit. i read, i toss around possibilities to myself, come to conclusions, and then act on those conclusions with certainty.

i may or may not have called out a team and been right before, i really dont know

[Desperado]

desp, you're not ALWAYS that confident, and you do tend to a explain a BIT more and better when you are have a lock on someone you feel good about

/shrug

i think i've explained vaxscum well enough and the havo connection is seriously as obvious as it gets so

[Desperado]

poe and hes been a lurksack/hasnt really taken any kind of serious initiative to try and get things done like ive seen him do as town

i have him as really, really null. i think he could flip either way. it's not a terrible lynch but i think Vax is more likely scum.
what's your read on us?
~Chara

did you double iso them?

[Desperado]

Here's the thing. You have been scum reading since early game. I had 2 posts when you first scum read me. Since then it's just been non-stop "vax is scum" Going from day 1 into 2 you were my best scum read because of it. Since then all you have done is build upon that. Vax is scum, and havo is scum with him. Vax and havo are scum and xiao is scum too. Vax/Havo Xiao/RR scum. You have just been building upon some first impression you have had without revisiting or questioning anything. You can't even explain your reads.

telling me i cant do something is kind of weird when a) obviously i can and b) i already have done so

your early game was scum, your reaction to pressure was scum, your claim was scum, your night action was scum...its just clear as day

[Desperado]

Desp, is it that both of them dance around interacting with each other or giving reads on each other? and in 134 Vax votes Xiao. Havo is talking to Furude and soon after Furude votes Xiao, and Havo asks why. there's no mention of Vax's vote, but that could be because Furude and Havo were already engaged with each other. so it's moreso the first point that could lead to them being teamed.

there are a couple of other specific things havo said but yes, pretty much

[Desperado]

I’ve been more focused on finding the Fiancé than scum hunting tbh.

???

bullshit

[Desperado]

havo just scumclaimed guys

you can lynch him now

[Desperado]

ya so lets kill him for being scum

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Havo's explicit "i've been looking for ways to use my role instead of for scum" is actually the towniest thing he's said all game, yes. that's not discounting that scum can be honest in an attempt to look genuine.

how are you all reading this so wrong

havo is scum who forgot that town doesn't know their flavor

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havo did disappear after the claim

desp been gone too

don't like any of it

blah

reads will def. become more clear as this game goes on though

oh fuck off

i can't even vote and you know exactly where i stand

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Ok, let's just get on with this.

VOTE: Drealmerz

???

what is wrong with you seriously

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even of you think dreal is state, which he probably isn't, we win if we eliminate FOD

vote: vaxkiller

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aye pretty sure vax is havo's partner

Nah pretty sure you voted Vax to save yourself.

is this some kind of performance art or..???

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like, even if he did....dreal isn't FOD!!!

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let's just vote vax and call it a day

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if i'm state who legitimately thought it vax and havo were the FOD team...there's no fucking way i'd actually push that in public!

seriously is this game just making people dumb or what?!?!

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who cares?

we win when FOD

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dies

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like, with a FOD flip d1 everyone should agree that state is irrelevant

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i mean

it's almost certainly xiao

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but he's state, so w/e

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no

we're not lynching for state

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@Desp, I am lynching not town. Period. There's no reason to think Drealmerz is State or FoD.

????

yes there is!

he lynched FOD and was the counterwagon to FOD and his ability makes no sense as FOD

like, whattttttttttt

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hi yume

we win when FOD is eliminated

we've already lynched FOD and there was no death last night

state is no longer our enemy, except in terms of us likely conflicting with their as of yet unrevealed win con

but the fact is that we lynch FOD and we win, and i seriously can't emphasize enough how clearly vax and havo are teamed

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And how can you be 100% sure the State wincon doesn't conflict with ours? Do you know something we don't?

zzzzz

read my posts bro

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But the State could have some sort of thing which enables them to win without us. Did you consider that possibility? *yawn*

that possibility is irrelevant because we know for certain that if we eliminate FOD it doesn't matter what the state does

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that was decided the minute havo flipped fod

its vax vax vax vax vax

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the problem is state has to protect FOD now

titus must be getting fed state lies in a hood by someone

no other explanation for her performance thus far

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Pedit: unless you know the state wincon....there's no reason to think the state have to protect FoD?

town win con is public and i seriously doubt they just win with us if we eliminate FOD

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How do you know that for certain?

that's what the town win con says......

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I had to veto like 5 mislynches yesterday. My performance is just fine ty.

??????

no you didn't

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I had to veto like 5 mislynches yesterday. My performance is just fine ty.

??????

no you didn't

Yeah scum tried you vax yume xiao.

They had to settle for Havo to save Drealmerz.

lol and who were the scum pushing me?

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and what don't you understand about state not wanting a fod lynch d1???

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your narrative that state lynched havo to save dreal doesn't make a lick of sense

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especially since farude is state now so saccing whatever dreal is wouldn't have been the worst outcome for them yesterday

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Havo and Dreal both shaded you pretty hard core. No one would vote you though because I made it clear you were off limits.

that wasn't what i asked

i asked who the scum pushing me were

and iirc the people voting me were vax, havo, and xiao

2/3 of which you are claiming are lock town

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And do yo know the State wincon? Do yo know that they cannot win without us? Do you know that they won't try to sabotage the '6 alive' part of our wincon?

if they can win without us faster than lynching vax and eliminating FOD then more power to them

i presume their method of sabotaging the 6 alive part of or wincon is contained in their NK, which was blocked last night somehow

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scum that we need to lynch today in order to win are different from scum that we need to lynch before end of game in order to win, but okay sure keep ignoring that distinction because you have a murderfever for drealm.

Nah, that is garbage play. It's the same line RC scum uses. We'll have confscum but town will say, but we lynch for more powerful scum. No. Scum are scum.

you are so, so wrong

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youre being garbage right now. this is you and rb all over again. if drealm is town and you threw this fit all game to try and policy lynch him for being a jerk, im not playing with you again because you dont play to your wincon as town when you get mad.

It is my weakness but I have actually let Dreal scum shit on threads before. It would be a shame if you let Dreal scum continually dodge my points and then blame me for his antics.

Also blacklisting me because you disagree for me scumreading his behavior only encourages his bullshit.

even in this post you still aren't getting it

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not really dreal

quoting yourself isn't good enough

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omfg i just iso'd dreal, saw three pages, and slit my wrists

wtf man???

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he's not grasping at anything dude

you were very resistant to a vax or a havo lynch until the very end of the day

from where i'm sitting, you claiming that you were certain vax and havo were FOD looks like state who didn't want to lynch FOD but had no choice because he was the only other option

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so like i said

even if you're scum, you're state

and i want FOD today

so...let's just lynch vax??? what is stopping us from doing this right now, really

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i'm reading the contradiction you've described as state who understands that lynching FOD doesn't help his wincon

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The State (Xiao Long, Reasonably Rational) have won the game.

fuckin a

hahahaha

gg everyone

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I still don't know what was so awkward about my posting D1 that got me scum read lol.

the nickname thing and then your reaction to me asking you about it, for me

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WHAT DID I TELL YOU TITUS

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congrats to "mouthbreather" desp for calling out both teams on d2. lol.
sorry for being a dumbass at you.

its ok, sometimes i black out and see everything clearly and then can't be bothered to explain it because it's just obvious...normally when that happens everyone (rightly) looks at me like i'm stupid and ignores me and then we lose

this was a refreshing change of pace!