Mini 1953: XP Mafia (Game Over)

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Woah already 9 pages into this. Oh a catfight happened

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Obviously i just saw that the game officially started and i had to read back, but the case against maki seems strong here...

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Thoughts on blocking:
1) it does have a higher risk than a reward
2) Although i'd rather not miss an opportunity to hinder scum even a little
3) Not blocking today isn't a

HUGE

lose, but personally i like taking chances.

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To be honest not wanting to come off as an asshole is more of a newbie thing isnt it

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maki is town

Any reason why...?

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Gingies town here

Care to explain why?

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Im assuming its only hypothetical considering the word say

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What do you mean?

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Considering a misblock today isn't

overly

a problem. I can see a push with weaker evidence to try to find a larger slip, maybe not even from the person being pushed.

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Gingies town here

Care to explain why?

He doesn't get this worked up when hes scum.

More player Meta zzz

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Oh but maki softing vt was not, right~

I'm putting this in my top 20 scummiest posts I've ever seen tbh.

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Oh but maki softing vt was not, right~

I'm putting this in my top 20 scummiest posts I've ever seen tbh.

I'll make sure to remind you about this comment, post game. :3

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Whats so scummy about it?

It feels like sarcasm while at the same time an attempt to slip suspicion to maki for some reason. Idk if its deliberate but it is scummy.

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where do you see me telling you that?

smarm aside though

meh, there's less there from yurkin and I have zero familiarity with them, for me it's a matter of generating reads at this point and I'd rather try and generate reads around players I have a feel for rather than not, if it came to it I could block yurkin, but my preference is for you or maki, and since we're not getting a flip (it seems) D1, I'm not worried about it too much either way

factors are: if you're town I don't mind you being blocked or losing your XP because I almost never like how you handle power (you tend to lie about it anyway), if maki is scum she's good at scum and I'd gladly set her back

Yeah this d1 block won't effect the game too much anyway. Also i hadn't realized it had been three days o.o. TBH i do wish the xp mechanic was slightly better? I guess

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What really changes between today and tomorrow info wise?

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Its cAuse i was reading up and decided to give my thoughts on something earlier iirc

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I'm caught up cause game slowed down slightly.

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I mean it is day 1 i'm limited in what i can really do to "gameadvance" unless something overly breaking comes out idt we will have a ton of gamebreaking info at the moment

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Intense argument. TBH i wanna here gerrys rebuttal. But senpai has a decent player meta case, a rarity.

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Dreal just block yurkin hes at B-1

I don't want hammer just yet, i do want a rebuttal from gerry

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Intense argument. TBH i wanna here gerrys rebuttal. But senpai has a decent player meta case, a rarity.

Bullshit, post one thing that was solid at all. Even raya who doesn't know me pointed the contradiction out.

I said

decent

not solid even decent player meta cases are NAI

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He hammered himself as town tracker in Civ mafia.

THIS IS ANOTHER LIE LOL. POST THE GAME LINK RIGHT NOW SO YOU ARE PROVEN A LIAR. YOU WON'T DO IT. I put myself to L-1 to get people to unvote and then UZI quick hammered me.

Misremembered, probably due to the game being like 500 pages or something stupid like that. I remembered you were extremely antitown and it was to do with self-voting and resulted in your lynch. Ergo, selfhammer. Putting yourself at L-1 is just as bad and still proves the point I was making though?
What would I have to gain by lying about that?

gerry is pointing out "lies" and "contradictions" that aren't even as such, but then not analyzing the motivation and gain I'd have in doing so. These are things people can check if they want to so why the fuck would I bother lying about my recollection of events? He is not trying to read for motivations or what gain I'd get out of this, he's trying to make me look bad so that my push on him is discarded.

I think alot of player meta evidence is still here.
Although it does seem he is trying to force a uturn here. If we waste a ton of time on a back and forth we may miss something important on the sidelines. Maybe a lurking partner or whatnot

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So what would you rather do?

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What exactly do you want here?

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The rebuttal ended up being a tiptoe and nitpick about the evidence.

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So no one has anything left to say at all?

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It's not that i don't want to do work, its that I'm not confident in a decision here.

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Its that I'm doubting my instinct because something is off to me.

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Its that I'm doubting my instinct because something is off to me.

it's the color of the role PM isn't it?

I mean you're not wrong tbh. I was actually disappointed to get green here. Last game i got red which would have been the first on this site, but the game didn't make it past day 1.

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So what would you rather do?

i'm getting worried about your posts. it seems you're content with just doing small sideline talk without picking a side or taking a stance. what are your reads?

My reads are actually instict which I'm probably wrong with but i was thinking gerry+lurker+someone who is ignoring him completely.

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<b>Block: Gerryoat</b>

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Eww

Block: Gerryoat

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Wow might as well force me here, tbh i don't care if you townread me, i'd rather block instinct if i have to block today

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My favourite quote is "History is written by the victor".
I'd say noticemesenpai wins this argument.
Whether their accusation is true remains to be seen.
I'm hoping its true and in my eyes they have the player meta evidence to pressure until gerry slips or squeals

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VOTE: Rolecop

This is a nobrainer tbh
Rolecop is high up there on prs list

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Town gaining rolecop is stronger than mafia gaining it.
Neighborizer can end badly with puppet leaders.
Self-watcher is useless without a doctor/something else protective. Useful if Theres a BP too but thats unlikely.

Rolecop is ofc the superior choice.

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Maybe the host is just messing with us and making sure scum can kill around the same time town can lynch for balance reasons? Idk its complete wifom. self-watcher still is a weak role. But i'm willing to consider it.
Neighbourizer is a complete no for me, feel free to disagree; its a personal issue i have with it.

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Mafia is a game of emotions. Emotions can be a way to find the evidence to hammer.

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I don't think the neighborizor plan I proposed is a good one, it has some holes and I don't trust people to keep their mouths shut about being in a neighborhood or not.
I'm concerned now that role cop may benefit the scum more than the town, if there are multiple protective abilities self watcher might be the way to go after all as that ability seems a lot less useful to mafia

Mafia can use selfwatcher to find town prs.

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True i think thats the point

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UNVOTE: rolecop
VOTE: self-watcher[/Unvote]
Eh self watcher and rolecop have disadvantages.
Self watcher gives scum and town more equal power.

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VOTE: selfwatcher

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Eh i feel like neighbourizer might be decent cause mafia won't waste xp on it(which may or may not be bad....)

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Eh i feel like neighbourizer might be decent cause mafia won't waste xp on it(which may or may not be bad....)

Why wouldnt they?

Uh cause town will do it for them?
And neighbourhoods aren't as important as their kill

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Js if neighbourizer wins lets agree not to use it until one mafia is alive?

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Js if neighbourizer wins lets agree not to use it until one mafia is alive?

your posts get worse and worse the more you post

I was wondering if that was the plan.
Or what exactly is the plan for each role.

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Its just that mafia will have tonight to extensively plan what they will do for whichever rolled wins.

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There are problems with all three choices.
And i honestly can't decide.
UNVOTE: selfwatcher

block: vijirada

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God i hope we can lynch tomorrow.
This is starting to get annoyingly slow.
Especially since scumkills have gains alot of power here.

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dooppaadooooooo

HURT: Vijarada

What's that even mean zzzz

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Having the new public mechanic....public weakens it a ton.

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Please do tbh

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Can we still not lynch ????

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Also thoughts on massclaiming how much xp we have.....?

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if you can explain how xp massclaiming help about anything...

Idk might help find out the actions of the dead + incase there is an xp detective or smth that can check it.

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Can we still not lynch ????

Who needs rope when you have GUNS

I prefer quiet kills.
Swords and arrows and what not.

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My role rn is basically useless lol. I'm still trying to get enough xp to evolve ;;.
I have 2 currently. For some reason i lost one between D2 and D3

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Wait so mafia has possibly 4 kills total if they have the xp for it.

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Also there are multiple scum so that wont work unless all three get 0 XP

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Well we can only block 1 scum at a time and depending on how much xp is used for kill the partners can train and be ready to kill next night.
I'm assuming mafia nk takes 1nk since iirc someone died n1 unless a town vig wants to claim

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How many scum would be in a game like this? We all started at 1xp. There was a kill N1, so I'm assuming it takes 1xp to do a NK. Even if we blocked mafia both days and there are only those 2 mafia. But we have blocked 2 different ppl and they could still do the kill. We should have stuck on the same person prob.

EXAMPLE:
We block mafiaA
N1 MafiaA trains to get 1exp
N1 MafiaB performs kill
we block mafia B
N2 MafiaA kills
N2 MafiaB trains

I got sniped

Also 13. This game is 3 mafia-aligned players versus 10 town-aligned players.

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Hmm that is a small leap in assumption. But lets go with it for a bit.

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What about N2 kill?

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So blocking one scum means they basically lose their kill?

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Heres a thought what if scum start with more than 1 xp apiece.

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Or have a way to gain more. Lets say smth like "a successful kill earns the killing scum 1 xp"

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If the host is using rolecop properly it should just be role not alignment

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Not being able to lynch makes this feel unbalanced especially if scum can steal xp.

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Without lynches it just doesn't feel right tbh.

And the jaereed thing kinda drained our energy even more.

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Idt anyone has 4 xp unless given more.
Which is why i feel we should massclaim our xp.

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You won't be able to tell. But it could help in the future.(to match up claims / incase there is an inspection role that inspects XP numbers)

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Also im just trying to keep this active too.

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Well i'm bidding on some sort of protection role.
Also killing high xp is actually bad.
Because the lower your xp the more likely you have upgraded/used your ability.

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Also if someone has 4 they will most likely vig and if three they probably seek to upgrade. Meaning killing them this night is basically a waste of a kill other than removing a town player.

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You're also assuming having high xp right now means you have a good ability. Which is probably false for at least 3 more roles

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So you're just gonna ignore my response to you gerryoat?

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Also if someone has 4 they will most likely vig and if three they probably seek to upgrade. Meaning killing them this night is basically a waste of a kill other than removing a town player.

And you were all up for a massclaim despite of having an idea how mafia may take advantage of it more than town hmmm

Its an xp massclaim.
There are so many factors and variables.
I have already said my xp and the important change of it.

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So you're just gonna ignore my response to you gerryoat?

my bad, been basically prodging lol. um, i think that if maf knows who might have good role things they will kill them

Refer to #1166

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I dunno, I see the + and the - of a XP mass claim, but part of the + is that people have to do whatever town says and I doubt everyone is goign to agree to that.

Part of that would be to force anyone we dont trust to buy rolecops or upgrades to prove they have the XP they claim, and I dont see taht happening with some of the people here.

Yeah it sucks how dead this game is.

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Yeah if everyone was active rn this game would be amazing

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Block: drealmerz7

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Okay, so the mafia kill failed, yes? yurkin effectively suicide-bombed Ghostlin? (Alisae would be screaming with rage at not landing the role. )

In that case:
VOTE: Assemblerotws.

CLAIM: Roleblocker. Last night, we blocked Assemblerotws.

(Our block also blocks farming btw.)
We heavily hinted at our role D1, and we've been trying to find the mafia performing the nightkill every time.
We mostly talked about our targets in our chat but have some record of why we blocked who we did each night in our hydra PT.

N1 we blocked Vijarada.
N2 we blocked EeveeLution Army.
And N3 it was Assemblerotws.

Basically, N1 Vijarada was our common scumread. JaeReed originally townread Vijarada for some content...which it turned out, didn't actually exist. When they realized that, they agreed with my scumread there.
N2, we hunted off of a block wagon (I believe the D1 one?). Our options were narrowed down to EeveeLution Army or Assemblerotws. EeveeLution Army claimed a loss in XP, which I felt was loosely indicative of town when combined with the lack of a stopped nightkill. But I don't see Assembler claiming a loss of XP (it's not so much a loss of XP as much as it is a lack of gaining XP but EeveeLution Army could easily make that mistake), nor did I see Assemblerotws claim to have his action fail. His first post of the day, 1198, makes no mention of anything of the sort. Except noting that yurkin died suicide bombing Ghostlin.

Basically, yes. Deja vu. I mentioned Fountain of Souls early on for DAMN fucking good reason.
In that I've been searching for that roleblocker guilty ALL FUCKING GAME LONG. And now I finally have it.

The part about me-
I just assumed my train had went through and then lost one making me be at the same amount. I hadn't thought of a roleblocker that stops training.

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mod...does the day end on 5 blocks or 5 lynch votes?

The day ends with a lynch OR block majority, whichever occurs first. They cannot both be done in the same day.

Not being able to do both is a bit zzz.
Should we just lynch today?

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But that's not all!

Today, as before, players may vote to put a new Public Mechanic into play. As always, once put into play it will remain in play the whole game. The possibilities are:

[Conditional Deathproof]
At any point, if a player would die with at least 3 XP, that player will instead survive and lose 3 XP. They will not be notified if this occurs (although they will know that they lost 3 XP).

[Blessing]
If this Public Mechanic is unlocked, every player will immediately gain 1 XP. After that, it has no further effect.

[Loyal]
During the night, any player with a personal action (NOT one granted from another Public Mechanic) may pay 1 XP to make their action Loyal. That action will fail if used on any player not aligned with the user.

To vote for a Public Mechanic, use the VOTE: tags. The Public Mechanic vote will be kept separately from the block and lynch vote (not a typo this time ), and the Public Mechanic vote with the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be put into play.

Loyal is the only one without a way to backfire on town.

VOTE: loyal

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very possible. I think maf could just be saving XP tho. Thats what i'd do lol

This really depends on how their kill works.

Hopefully we can get scum #2 which will basically be gg town.

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Okay, so the mafia kill failed, yes? yurkin effectively suicide-bombed Ghostlin? (Alisae would be screaming with rage at not landing the role. )

In that case:
VOTE: Assemblerotws.

CLAIM: Roleblocker. Last night, we blocked Assemblerotws.

(Our block also blocks farming btw.)
We heavily hinted at our role D1, and we've been trying to find the mafia performing the nightkill every time.
We mostly talked about our targets in our chat but have some record of why we blocked who we did each night in our hydra PT.

N1 we blocked Vijarada.
N2 we blocked EeveeLution Army.
And N3 it was Assemblerotws.

Basically, N1 Vijarada was our common scumread. JaeReed originally townread Vijarada for some content...which it turned out, didn't actually exist. When they realized that, they agreed with my scumread there.
N2, we hunted off of a block wagon (I believe the D1 one?). Our options were narrowed down to EeveeLution Army or Assemblerotws. EeveeLution Army claimed a loss in XP, which I felt was loosely indicative of town when combined with the lack of a stopped nightkill. But I don't see Assembler claiming a loss of XP (it's not so much a loss of XP as much as it is a lack of gaining XP but EeveeLution Army could easily make that mistake), nor did I see Assemblerotws claim to have his action fail. His first post of the day, 1198, makes no mention of anything of the sort. Except noting that yurkin died suicide bombing Ghostlin.

Basically, yes. Deja vu. I mentioned Fountain of Souls early on for DAMN fucking good reason.
In that I've been searching for that roleblocker guilty ALL FUCKING GAME LONG. And now I finally have it.

I deliberately did not train last night, since the upgrade I received D3 completely removed the XP cost of my ability, thus removing any possible feedback as a side-effect. Therefore, I had absolutely no idea whether or not I was blocked.
Originally, I was a Bodyguard who would automatically sacrifice 2 XP to save myself from any deaths that happened to people I was guarding if I had at least 2 XP. I trained the first two nights, hoping for an upgrade, and eventually got one D3. I then decided I would protect Mastina with my new power, which had metamorphosized to Doctor.

So you are basically claiming doctor that doesn't need xp to use...?

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@Mastina

How about we lynch Eevee you roleblock gerry
someone exp checks asse

Where did lynching me come from in what he said...?

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VOTE: EeveeLution Army
Pedit: It didn't I want to lynch you most out of everyone in the game
Pedit 2: It depends on the action you took although If I had to guess it wasn't an action that would affect you. targetting me is 100% useless because I resolve myself

Any particular reason why....?

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Mfw i forgot we had rolecop

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How in the world am i the best bet -_-

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Also what about fitz posts makes him town?

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We can’t rely on rb with a loyal machanic.

Loyal is optional

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Soooo, theres 3 possibilities of the no NK.

5:
Os bp
Roleblocker
Doctor
Mafia idle
Mafia killed the suicide bomber

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Do you think mafia have a doctor?
For the 2nd part I plea the 5th.

Pleading the fifth assumes you would incriminate yourself by answering.

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Do you think mafia have a doctor?
For the 2nd part I plea the 5th.

Pleading the fifth assumes you would incriminate yourself by answering.

Hey, look who knows what pleading the fifth means!

I study law

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(Eevee screen fltz)

Im not even lynching atm..?

I was gonna hammer tomorrow if no one opposed for the momentum.

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Dude what even lol.
What makes it so scum to you.
Also strong points is not 100%.
For all we know you're trying to save your partner.

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VOTE: assemblerotes

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WE LYNCH EEVEE TOMORROW NO BREAKS

"We"

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I'm dying tonight fml

Man if i had one more xp. I so hope assemble flips scum.

I doubt you'll die.

Here's my calcs.

If assemble flips scum you're either scum gg town or you're town and scum will let you live as frame.

If assemble is town him claiming doc makes his roles utility almost 0.

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All me hammering here does is gives me a 50-50 of getting scum or getting scumreads on me.
And my role rn is still not that useful because there are too many factors.

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ASSME IS CLAIMING A BODYGUARD MODIFIER WE CAN ROLECOP THAT. WE HAVE NO FLIP PROTECTIVES.

Who says we even have a role cop?

Its a public mechanic. And js assemble claimed COSTLESS DOCTOR upgrade. Like the theme is XP why would there be a costless doctor, especially a town one.

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AM i the only one who thinks sceen play is scum?

he's scummy, but with 1 maf left idfk. we prob win now tho, so it doesnt matter. i dont see how we lose this. yurkin is mvp

Aren't there two left?

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So half the game is scum great.@dream/gerry

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Btw i upgraded last night

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And im actually a really good role now

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And im actually a really good role now

Ok, then claim it. What was your previous role and your role now.

I was a weak hider that fails and loses role if anyone targets me while im using an ability.

Now im a PGO

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VOTE: Eevee

I claim and u lynch me???

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Im just saying i took a risk and it backfired. I'm someone who is willing to to take a risk or two.

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The only thing I need is eevee's neck around rope

Now now.
Now you're the one who has someone you hard scumread and probably will do anything to have me killed~?

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I was gonna make some type of play with my claim js but it was too risky and i thought I'd just be straight forward about being PGO. Also lol its not gamethrowing when ONE person has some type of wierd confirm on someone. I understand from ur POV why ud lynch me but not as much the others.

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Risky plays don't equal gamethrowing lol. Remember it takes more than one to lynch smh.

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Yeah imma get the post i was answering to

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If Eevee flips anything other then scum he basically gt'd with how much I was calling this guy clear

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We should prob do the claiming thing before lynching her, no? that way people can be held accountable for.

gerry's a scumfuck sure but he is at least raising a valid point. You don't half-ass a massclaim. You start, you finish, period.
gerry's claimed, although I would prefer a full record of actions.
Eevee's claimed, although I would prefer a full record of actions.
Vaxkiller needs to fullclaim, with a full record of actions.
Screenplay, dreal, and havingfitz need to fullclaim with a full record of actions.
Maki will need to fullclaim with a full record of actions, but only after all the above.
And similarly so for me.

These are things which cannot be done before a lynch.

Also while I do in fact hold great suspicion on Eevee it is viable Eevee is town especially if Vaxkiller is scum.
Still tho. My preferred lynch is gerryoat.
Because while Eevee could be scum. And Vaxkiller could be scum. gerryoat just IS scum.

N1 train- ended with 2 xp
N2 train- ended with 2 xp
N3 train- ended with 3 xp
N4 upgrade-became PGO

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Aka now i have 0 XP

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Even my townreads aren't hard townreads :/

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Didn't last scum have the sameability

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I love the reasoning behind me dying here. Town better win this TBH. Also Mastina i never said i was passive, my Pgo is still an active action

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I love the reasoning behind me dying here. Town better win this TBH. Also Mastina i never said i was passive, my Pgo is still an active action

How is your PGO active?

What do you mean...? I choose whether i arm myself or not

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I guess thats true but by that logic every roll is passive kek.