Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm also wondering why Kaede is still voting me at this point

Why I'm voting you should be fairly evident at this point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why don't you make it clear for the rest of the class.

I said before I was willing to believe you're town as long as you were self-voting and willing to lynch yourself.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And now that I unvoted you believe I'm scum?


Shouldn't by that logic your vote have been off me until I unvoted myself

It would, but as I said, you'd just bug me until I voted back.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So you think I'm scum now?

Yes

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There is no world where town Kaede takes that stance

ever

I knew there was 1 scum in Shuichi and Kaede and the fact Kaede's townread is never fucking wavering at all while Shuichi shows genuine paranoia is the calling card

That would make me think you should be lynching me, not dunn.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

See the thing is I can lynch either and still win while you have to ml me and 1 other person who I can not WAIT to see in the gy.

Here, i'll even help you
VOTE: Kaede
Come at me

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're boring...
VOTE: Maki
Is that as far as your confidence goes? Dunn if scum is never gonna self-vote. Meanwhile I was.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway thanks for making it clear to me that your read on me is just spewing, and not legit.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're boring...
VOTE: Maki
Is that as far as your confidence goes? Dunn if scum is never gonna self-vote. Meanwhile I was.

don't really understand what you're saying here. why would Maki switch to voting you just because you voted yourself? or what you voting yourself for a post has to do with that decision.

From Maki's PoV both me and Dunn are scum, obviously scum are on 1 lynch left to lose, so Dunn is never gonna self vote if he's scum, if im self voting, Maki would need less town members to vote with her on me to achieve a lynch since it would be the equivalent to me being a voteless hated, which should be easier to achieve than on Dunn, but she refused, why?, because she prefers to keep pushing Dunn who is probably gonna flip town by the looks of it, and because she needs to keep her idea that im scum. Even when it's obvious that im not.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That was DS checking who Shuichi replaced.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

From Maki's PoV both me and Dunn are scum, obviously scum are on 1 lynch left to lose, so Dunn is never gonna self vote if he's scum, if im self voting, Maki would need less town members to vote with her on me to achieve a lynch since it would be the equivalent to me being a voteless hated, which should be easier to achieve than on Dunn, but she refused, why?, because she prefers to keep pushing Dunn who is probably gonna flip town by the looks of it, and because she needs to keep her idea that im scum. Even when it's obvious that im not.

or there's no guarantee you're going to keep self voting..? it's not like Maki voting you will initiate a flash-lynch.

Just like maki stopped self-voting. I believe I've made my point clear?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Actually if Maki flips town, then me and shuichi get ML'd and that's a scum win.
But if Dunn flips town Maki will just suicide.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Dunno, But I can't stop getting that weird feel that we're playing into the scum's hands.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if by clear you mean clear as mud, then yes.
that has nothing to do with 1666. and your split-second self really has nothing to do with Maki's self, either. if you were making a point with self-voting regarding Maki's alignment, the logic you've applied in 1666 is all baseless.

My point being, there was never any guarantee maki would stop self-voting either, which is why I was entertaining she was town while she was doing so. My initial vote on her would have never happened if I didnt think she was scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If wicked is scum why wouldn't scum have just sacrificed him to deny a point

????
I thought scum can only sacrifice if a mislynch happens.

Dunnstral townslip, Kaede? ;>

Maybe? I suppose.
Okay that makes it better then.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Let me guess, and now your next choice is going to be to lynch me.

#2017Predictions

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Meh, whatever, I was surprised it hadnt happened yet.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

but the underlying thought is she's trying to get the lynch somewhere else.

Impressive deduction!
That's exactly what I was trying to do!

And the reason why.
Is exactly as I stated, wicked looked towny to me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm gonna be surprised this is the first time the one pushing me in a game with Wisdom isnt Wisdom.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Impressive deduction!
That's exactly what I was trying to do!

And the reason why.
Is exactly as I stated, wicked looked towny to me.

then why did you keep voting him? you were so uncertain you kept flip-flopping but really, the whole time you're trying to pull the lynch away.

I stopped voting him, at some point actually.
You even quoted the post.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh well you know what this is tiring.
If trying to go for a perfect win is gonna get me ML'd, i rather just vote Dunn and pray
VOTE: Dunn

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're getting what you want Maki, have fun suiciding tonight.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm done trying to convince people.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

But at the rate this was going you were gonna be suiciding tonight if I get ML'd anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh well you know what this is tiring.
If trying to go for a perfect win is gonna get me ML'd, i rather just vote Dunn and pray
VOTE: Dunn

Maki and i are going to mislynch you by ourselves?
why aren't you worried i'm scum?

i dont really care at this point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Come and ML me if that's what you really want.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

you sure did unvote him. then voted him a few posts later. and then, reaffirm your vote in 1211. followed by your final vote when i believe it was clear the vote wasn't going anywhere else.

Uhh according to your quotes, i unvoted him like 200 posts later than that

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Here

UNVOTE:
Getting cold feet...
Every single time i interact with Wicked he just feels... town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i dont really care at this point.

i haven't even voted you. i think i'm being very nice about this whole thing as i talk directly to you to see if i'm wrong somewhere instead of just shouting for your lynch.
you're not answering my questions anymore?

Well excuse me, im a person that's been ML'd several times in the past, I have every right to get paranoid about it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I was happy and excited to be globally townread as town for once, but now im just depressed again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I even predicted it:

I predict that Wisdom will scumread me this game sooner or later.

Although im surprised it didnt happen.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

oooo that's so hardcore ate.

well screw you too.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If there's something that really makes me mad is someone making fun of me when im actually crying irl.
Seriously screw you, dont talk to me.

Actually better yet, im just gonna stop reading your posts.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lycan
I changed my mind.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

idec, what you guys think of me anymore.
But this is a scumread I've had since D2.
His vote on Maki was what making my head spin before.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're gonna have to think this through on your own coz i've pretty much given up on life.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're gonna have to think this through on your own coz i've pretty much given up on life.

Oh FFS that's not a healthy attitude. Don't let something like this get to you.

Just go with what you actually believe in rather than sheep someone who you don't 100% trust. I hate it when people throw up their hands and say "Bwuuuuuuu this sucks ima sheep".

That's what I'm doing.

i.e. Im doing what i actually believe in, even if it gets me killed in the process.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

oh btw, V/LA

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh crap, deadline is in a little over 5 days, guess i can try to make an exception for this game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Pretty sure I'm okay calling Kaede town after that and if she's scum I'll blacklist her

After what?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if you faked half the stuff you did this game I don't think you're that good a person. But if you didn't I have no issues.

I thought you said I was faking all the stuff I did this game? That was why you were scumreading me no?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

hmm ok

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Vote Lycan after my death would be my best guess at scum
never vote chara dimond kaede

i have such an urge to say "who wants to flashwagon Lycanfire with Kaede"?

Well i'll say it in your stead

Who wants to flashwagon Lycanfire with me?!

Spoiler:

I mean at least give me that, i want to be happy that i caught at least one scum without help.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Jeez i'm not the best at pep talks but if you're going to apathy lynch me at least get some focus and learn from your mistake stop doubting yourselves move forward and think on what you need to do to find the correct lynch...saying this stuff is more his thing but I had to try it

Spoiler:

Then vote Lycan instead of telling us to lynch Lycan after you die?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i don't know how i got so sidetracked with everything to forget how confident i was in this originally,

I guess it was me:

Kaede's final Wicked vote comes after a period of Wicked votes and unvotes, where she repeats that she's unsure about the gamestate, about whether Wicked is scum, and states he feels town. finally, 1328. this is a null vote at best. town Kaede made the right choice, scum Kaede gave up on trying to save Wicked.
UNVOTE:

1335 is another "i'm not sure" post from Kaede that i'm now having trouble finding genuine at all.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Not a shuichi sprite minus points.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i dont get it

Spoiler:

did i miss something?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well why dont you share your thoughts on everyone and we can start from there.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You've been pretty passive this DP and i feel like you're leaving everything up to me.

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wrong GIF, should've used this one:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I should probably be auditioning as an actress instead of playing mafia if im scum this game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

dat 1801 to 1802 tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

dat 1801 to 1802 tho.

this seems to have flown over your head shuichi.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

the sad thing about me replacing into games, is that i have a hard time knowing how things moved and felt at the time.
Which is why i have a hard time commenting on this kunkstar wagon, but i thought you guys mentioned that scum bussed or something and so it's irrelevant?
I'm not sure, I can't really give an opinion on stuff that happened while i wasnt here, just on stuff that happened while i was here, and i never saw any reason to TR kunkstar to begin with, but there's other 2 i can just eliminate if he's scum anyway, and if he's not then even better because my chances of success increase.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway, i might as well ask.
But shuichi.
There's something I've been wanting to know for a while, specially since Maki brought it up.

Why had I been such a lock townread for you at the point Maki asked?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede: how are you justifying the presumptive third concurrent scum wagon of day 1?

VOTE: Maki

I already said, I have no idea how things moved and felt at the time.
I dont remember much other than Viomi and Wicked wagons, and Maki wanting Acid and kunk dead while you and wisdom wanting Wicked dead.

That's pretty much all I remember wagon wise.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

But it's not something I want to worry about right now, like, you guys might just be right, im sorry for being skeptical of everything.

Also meh
UNVOTE:
Not feeling good about this anymore.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Mostly i have a hard time SRing this now:

Pretty sure I'm okay calling Kaede town after that and if she's scum I'll blacklist her

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I really should be sleeping right now, I havent been in the mood for mafia for most of today, and this isn't helping.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede are you willing to lynch Chara?

Ugh, i keep trying and i cant words, im too tired.
All I can give you is a "I'll think it with my pillow tonight, but as i currently am im gonna go with an 80% no"

Day 3 has been some topsy turvy, who i was scumreading has towned it up, Shuichi has left me alone to fend myself against the wolves trying to eat me, I feel like I suddenly stepped into a different game, me being depressed isnt helping me making rational decissions either.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So I was thinking about it, and when I posted this before sleeping:

Shuichi has left me alone to fend myself against the wolves trying to eat me

I wasnt actually thinking about it in mafia terms, just how in the way it felt to me how shuichi left me on my own.
Now that im thinking about it logically instead of emotionally... that's exactly what happened, Shuichi left me alone and both Chara and Maki came hard at me.
The thing with this is that for this to make sense the scumteam has to be exactly Chara/Maki/Shuichi, and I have a hard time seeing that for some reason...

This is mostly tinfoil, but it's a start.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Suffice to say, Lycan's making the most sense out of everyone here, Shuichi's detective work is getting overshadowed or he's just scum who did some hardcore double bused and decided to leave me alone so his scumteam could push me without him looking bad, which looks more like an agenda mindset than everything, my one problem with this is that this would've had to be coordinated the night phase beforehand, and the start of the day seems to give no indication of this being a thing until maki's self vote, i have had a hard time seeing that as S/S because it was pretty dangerous for Maki with herself self voting and a partner busing.

So maybe Maki is town and Shuichi is scum, or viceversa or both are town, but I don't see that as S/S

Which means that my entire theory of the agenda based push on me just flies out of the window, which means im back to square one.......

Spoiler:

Well okay, one theory out, time to see what else makes sense.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It occurs to me that if I'm right about my lock towns and right that Maki and Dunn aren't crossbussing then I have diamond and kunkstar scum.

That does feel simplistic and easy but low charisma scum explains some of this game.

Ah okay that does address, the point i was trying to make
From my PoV if you had that pool of lock town, then any vote out of it would have had a 75% chance of hitting scum and i didnt understand the switch.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede.

Yes?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're overreacting to the fact that I took a step back today as though it were something I was doing just because I was out to get you.

I've explained why I've done it. Not to mention, I couldn't vote you without claiming scum anyhow. If I'm scum, clearly my plan isn't to lynch you. But I'm also not.

Sorry.
I get paranoid over ppl townreading me like this in games, because it's a blind spot im aware of and i still dunno how to tell scum buddying me from town genuinely townreading me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I keep thinking about it and maybe I'll just sheep Lycan coz he seems to be actually trying to game solve and Im tired of trying.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I've been trying to understand everyone's stances on each other and I keep coming with big question marks '?'.

There's also DS hardcore lurking and Maki TRing him for ?
There's kunk kinda active lurking for ?
There's Dunn kinda active lurking for ?
There's Shuichi taking a day off...

Like I mean, what are you guys doing, hoping scum rains out of the air?, Hoping a big red lantern from the mod says "X IS SCUM?", like this feels similar to my home site where people just go and "No im just waiting for scum to scumslip" and do nothing the entire day phase and it's annoying me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well your position ammounts to "Dunn is obv scum and there's no point in looking everywhere else unless he flips town, in which case we can do that tomorrow"
Am I wrong?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well your position ammounts to "Dunn is obv scum and there's no point in looking everywhere else unless he flips town, in which case we can do that tomorrow"
Am I wrong?

I think that's a fair summation. What differentiates that from Wisdom's similar play D1 and D2 though? This maybe a game view difference, I'm giving a lot of weight to D1 and D2 over stuff happening current day because short of some weird scum slip I don't think that stuff being said by unconfirmed people is going to have as much effect on my reads as interactions between the knowns. Do you disagree with my position? In what ways has Dunnstral been town at all this game?

Dont disagree that if you're town you're most likely correct in your Dunn push by what you're viewing.
Disagree tho that we shouldn't discuss and just go with the flow, for starters if your scum and dunn's town what do you think would be the first thing you'd do after the dunn lynch happens, we lose a town player who is ALSO actively lurking and has decided not at least mention stances other than Maki's scum and his thoughts get lost, meanwhile you suicide and we have to spend a new day phase figuring stuff out.

Likely, what dunn is doing here saying "Maki's scum" let's lynch her is not much different than you saying here "Dunn's scum let's lynch him" no?
Hypocrisy's not a scumtell, but I feel that the only reason people arent giving this a second look is because you still have your wagon positions on both scum lynches going for you.

There's literally no reason to mindlessly lynch someone, nor to not give out your reads on everyone else. But it seems that's like you want to happen.

Am I wrong?

P-Edit: You've been hardcore lurking since before the holyday JS.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Of course it's entirely possible I have missed a post of yours where you express stances on other people, specially with you barely being around it's easy to forget stuff, if i've done so my bad, and would you please quote it for me?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Of course it's entirely possible I have missed a post of yours where you express stances on other people, specially with you barely being around it's easy to forget stuff, if i've done so my bad, and would you please quote it for me?

@Kunk btw

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh yeah I guess there's also Lycan's "Kunk was voted by scum" or something from back in D1, that I have no idea how to interpret because of Chara's and Lycan's conflicting opinions, and idk if I should just ignore it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like put yourself in my position, obviously if you're town you know you're town, but that doesnt help me game solve at all, it's like you're asking me to take your scum read and sheep it and if you're wrong then 'who cares?'. Like is that literally what you're implying?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And before I forget:

What differentiates that from Wisdom's similar play D1 and D2 though?

That's what Wisdom does, but iirc, he was giving reads on other people for example:

Seriously people, how hard is it to use your brain for a second?

The gamestate couldn't be clearer right now

Wicked is obvious scum, Chara is obvious buddy who's stalling for him, Maki is obvious scum who's doing nothing and then there is the dumb looking duo of kunkstar and Dunnstral, one of which is the last scum with the other actually being shit at mafia.

Kaede is obvious town. Lycan is obvious town. Shuichi goes back and forth but with wicked being scum hes town. DS is typical lynchbait.

What's so hard in this game that youre failing to lynch two fucking scum and end it? Take a look at perpetual mylo 2, see how fast we ended the game after D1 was over.

How is that similar to your:

The amount of waffling these last pages or most of this day tbh is crazy. Dunn's got the least going for him, bad interactions, bad vote placement, no crazy gambiting, just bad. How is it so difficult for even the people who agree with me on this to just accept that and get the lynch? There's exactly one person who makes the most sense for a lynch, let's just do that then if I'm wrong everyone can have fun sorting out their feelings the next day. We won't have to though.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So I take it from that that these are your reads in order from towniest to scummiest?

Lycan
Me
Chara
Shuichi
DS
Maki
Dunn

Just wondering if i misinterpreted something there.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kinda not using to seeing upside down reads list

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ok, so now I know your stances on everyone, at least reads list wise. So me poking you earlier ended up in something productive!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway, dont think I wanna lynch kunk atm.
I wanna see if others will pitch in, but I may just end up sheeping Lycan tbh.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Gut

.
.
.

Inb4 "Can't argue with that"

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh, chara and maki were on kunkstar as a wicked counterwagon. Probably town from that

So was your pred.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh, chara and maki were on kunkstar as a wicked counterwagon. Probably town from that

BITCH SO WERE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

When?

Oh, chara and maki were on kunkstar as a wicked counterwagon. Probably town from that

So was your pred.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

also this

I dont understand what you're getting at there.
The part that you're still voting kunk with Wicked, or the part that Dunn is voting DS with Shuichi.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm pretty sure dimond is town as I've said before so looking at that vc as dimond town idk if it'd have 3 scumwagons so makes me ehhh on klunk

I know where your reads are, i was just poking fun at you.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You know what else would be fun? Colored Vote counts!

Wickedestjr

(4):

Wisdom

, Lycanfire, DiamondSentinel,

Miu Iruma

DiamondSentinel

(3):

Viom

i, Shuichi Saihara, Dunnstral

kunkstar7

(2):

Wickedestjr

, Maki Harukawa

Viomi

(2): Chara,

Kaede Akamatsu

Not Voting (1): kunkstar7

I mean why not, they catch scum 100% of the time, you're already halfway there, might as well go all in no?

(That was sarcasm btw)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Looking at recent interactions, Shuichi looks like scum desperately trying to save his teammate(s). I can't exactly figure out who'd they be, but I don't like his increasingly desperate tone.
Maki and Kaede could both conceivably be scum. Not exactly sure, but they're both on that fringe of null!scum.
I'd appreciate Dunnstral stop lurking. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
Kunk needs to eat rope for lurking so much. 39 posts over 3 days is unacceptable in any conditions.
Lycan's a null. I just can't remember most of what they said.
Chara's still rockin that hard-town here. Absolutely towning it up.

So let's summarize your reads list:
{Chara}
{Lycan, Dunn}
{Me, Shuchi, Maki, Kunk}

Any combination of those 4 as a scumteam of 3 means Town!Dunn = dead.

Try again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Given there are 3 scum, it's entirely possible.

You can do better than that.
It's specially impossible BECAUSE there are 3 scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean it's not like im asking you to do rocket science here, I know you value gut over logic, but your gut is clearly contradicting the day flow.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean it's not like im asking you to do rocket science here, I know you value gut over logic, but your gut is clearly contradicting the day flow.

I'm not saying all of my scumreads are scum. I'm saying that these are the people I see being anti-town/scummy, thank you very much.

And im saying, that you're wrong on at least 1 if not 2 of your reads because it contradicts the day flow.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I recognize that

Ok so... what are you gonna do about it?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's funny, how i make a post calling out 3 ppl who have barely been participating this entire game and now we have them participating more.

You're welcome!

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

At least let me be happy thinking that i drove some life into this game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

users online: kaede

users online: not kaede

okay

I am kinda around, but also sleepy.
is there something that cant wait until tomorrow?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Abra cadaver

I am talking to Shuichi for a reason.

If this was directed at me, i dont understand
If this wasnt directed at me ignore this post.

Im too tired to figure it out.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I thought it was abra kadabra or something, oh well good night.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Vote Count 1-9

kunkstar7

(4): Chara, Wickedestjr, Brian Skies, Maki Harukawa

Wickedestjr

(4): Wisdom, Lycanfire, Not_Mafia, DiamondSentinel

acidphoenix

(1): Mulch

DiamondSentinel

(1): acidphoenix

Not Voting

(2): kunkstar7, UC Voyager

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: November 2, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-11-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

Get him to L-1 then~

>me right now:

Spoiler:

Thinking...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Now im unsure what point was Maki trying to make on 1883 to have this line of thinking.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's also possible I misunderstood something, but I thought she was implying that Dunn looked bad on that VC.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Maybe Lycan's right and she's scum and im just here questioning it like an idiot due to that blacklist threat thinking she wouldnt do that as scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless I want Maki to at least respond to this.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I thought it was Shuichi who thought that, Lycan's been going all over how Kunk's town for the wicked D1 vote or whatever.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Huh, looking at the VC seems like my decission is vital into who gets lynched.
I hate having to make these kinds of decissions, I hate you all (not really) for making me decide when im not in a good mood for mafia

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Huh? someone scumslipped?

Spoiler:

nevermind that, why did you wait until now to bring it up?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm feeling lonely.

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

At this point im just gonna YOLO
VOTE: Kunk
This day phase has been tiring. And I cant make up my mind, if this is right then woo, if it isnt then whatever.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

it's fine.
if kunk is scum, we win.
if kunk is town, i know the entire scumteam. even if i'm not believed, we have another mislynch, so we have two chances for me to be believed. we win.

i'm tired too, but scum is already feeling the loss. i'm sure they're trying their best, though.

Pretty much, im mostly hoping he flips scum so i can say goodbye to this game already.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if you get a choice of who you lynch, you're implying they're all good choices, but that's simply untrue.

Where did you get that idea, i meant the opposite.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If they were all good choices i wouldnt have had that much trouble deciding.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Im getting increasingly more convinced that kunkstar is the right lynch after these latest posts from Lycan.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I thought Lycan's freaking out over was scum defending their partner, but if you're correct that Lycan's town, then yes a scum kunk isnt getting lynched today.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I thought Lycan's freaking out over was scum defending their partner, but if you're correct that Lycan's town, then yes a scum kunk isnt getting lynched today.

if kunkstar is a town wagon scum!lycan would have ignited the conflict between you and chara days ago. see my scumgame in darkest dungeon.

Yeah, well i dont know you.
Giving me meta isnt going to help me, I'll leave that Mr. Ultimate Detective over there.
But if you're town, you need to stop thinking that people play mafia like a game of chess.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
You have a point there this is probably flipping town if you're town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

wow did me and chara literally unvote at the same time.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I feel like everyone's on a different page.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh i see, you're saying that because Maki and Kunk are partners she didnt hammer and instead sew paranoia?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Or i guess i completely misread your question.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So basically you're asking if it's impossible or not for Maki and Kunk to have different alignments then?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah I need to sleep too, im having trouble parsing anything from this 1v1.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Although you probably already noticed that from my previous comments.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't know why we got a sudden stream of unvotes. It looks to me like we had it right.

So where are your reads?, if we did have it right it means that everyone that was voting kunk + maki are town.
Sorry, it's just that we were discussing the possibility of Lycan town meaning scum Kunk never getting lynched then Maki comes in with the hammer threat and paranoia took the best out of me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: kunkstar
I have decided.
Never.Taking.This.Vote.Off

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Feel like at best, this is scum and we win, and if this is town it gives a lot of information to begin with, so i dont mind giving scum a point if that's the case.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

He isnt hammered, Maki switched to Lycan, he's just back at L-1

[Kaede Akamatsu]

IF YOU FUCKING THINK I AM SCUM WITH DUNN AFTER SCREAMING FOR HIS LYNCH OVER AND OVER I WILL FLIP MY FUCKING SHIT

VOTE: Lycan

You're doing it wrong.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I dont know what was going through scum's heads with that sacrifice.
Because after kunk's town flip I had already decided there had to be at least 1 scum in the wagon, as kunk didnt self vote.

Not sure what to think of Maki going after Lycan, who was off the wagon.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm leaving this thread before I sub out cause oh boy

*hugs*

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think Maki's frustration is towny.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

{Shuichi, Chara, DS}

All that's remaining of that wagon has at least 1 scum on it... guaranteed if maki is town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Actually there's probably only 1 scum on it, if there were 2 why not sacrifice someone in the wagon to take off pressure of their partner?
Wait... that doesnt sound right either... ugh.

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

To me it sounds like, "have a gg, bye"

She hasn't explained it either.

I didn't know what needs to be explained about "pray for gg" pray for good game have you never played league or anything you say "gg" at the end of a match

I thought that was common practice on any PvP type of game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

No one's scum :/

????

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I guess more than common practice it's even etiquette, respecting the other team/player for giving a good match.

(And then there's the whiners that say bg)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hey chara, didnt you say D3 that a kunkstar town flip reveals the entire scum team?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Seems like everyone, me included, have decided to be away.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

They haven't changed much from my last post where I said there was 1 guaranteed scum on the wagon.
But I get why DS says it's better to not focus on that, I mean 2/6 is better than 1/5, i guess...

Dunno why he SRs me, it's kinda weird.
Lycan and Shuichi I keep going back and forth on, and the later is mostly paranoia.

...

Wait a second does the chance of hitting scum with a random vote go lower every day?, i could've sworn it was close to 50% yesterday and now it's around 33%.
Now I kinda wish I had realized that sooner.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Actually nvm, i was thinking of a global scale.
It should be 2/5

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ah yeah this confused me:

That means there's at least 1 scum in 5 people, and another scum in the rest of the 6.

Don't mind me.

Still wanna know why DS SRs me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

My current thoughts on the game is that I was hoping kunk flipped scum and now idk who's scum.
But out of everyone I dont think it's Maki.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Can you remind me where did you TR me Chara?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hmm... I wonder if DS being the only player SRing me is more of a sign of him being town, well it depends on why he SRs me I guess.

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hmm, apparently I'm being prodded. Activity itself has hit the shitter though, so I still don't seen anything worth commenting on.

mfw, im not worth commenting on.

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So why is it that DS is scum?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well I mean it better be lycan or we are about to have a bad time. Maki is my other pick. No I havent checked to see if that makes sense.

What do you mean "It better be Lycan"?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

damn it, someone finally asked me a hard question.

here's the situation: i don't agree with most of his reads, and i was gut-townreading it for the most part. at this stage, it isn't enough. it's rather similar to how i felt about Dunnstral. little behaviour i've found overtly scummy, but no reason to really believe he's town. that would have been fine, but now we're here on day 4 and rather than engage on anything that had been presented, (your question for example) he chose to do nothing.
the fact i'm not sure is why i'm still here trying to figure things out.

You think scum decides to SR me when everyone else is TRing me?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean sure, that's not a strong enough reason, but with his "gut reads" he could just go with the flow easily.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i don't pretend to know Diamond's scumplay

Me neither, but depending on who his hypothetical partner might be I have doubts that he'd just lay down and die, I mean if he's scum Dunn was his partner and i dont recall him doing anyhting to save him (tho I dont remember)

P-Edit: Didn't he flip his read on Shuichi?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Me neither, but depending on who his hypothetical partner might be I have doubts that he'd just lay down and die, I mean if he's scum Dunn was his partner and i dont recall him doing anyhting to save him (tho I dont remember)

P-Edit: Didn't he flip his read on Shuichi?

i mean, pushing kunkstar and not Dunnstral could be considered saving Dunnstral.

he did. that's part of why i was suspicious of them being partners. i still find it odd, but now it's only odd on Diamond's side as Shuichi is now on Diamond's lynch wagon.

I don't recall he pushing kunkstar very hard... just vote parking him.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ah! I understand now, you're saying that if Lycan's scum then you shouldn't have to worry about lynching DS then?

Well hmm

You have you and chara voting for DS and both Lycan and Maki(?) refusing to vote for DS, so whichever is the partner then I think you're going to have problems.

I would sooner vote Lycan than DS tbh.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Lycan

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ah! I understand now, you're saying that if Lycan's scum then you shouldn't have to worry about lynching DS then?

I'm saying if he's town then I won't be able to lynch DS.

And im saying that if Maki's town as I currently believe you wont be able to lynch him either so...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That's the weirdest vote i've seen in the entire game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede do you think Chara is ever scum?
I don't but if you think so I wanna know why

Prolly not.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Lycan's reaction to my vote was terrible.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Am i supposed to be townreading any of what Lycan just said?
Coz i am not.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Am i supposed to be townreading any of what Lycan just said?
Coz i am not.

At what point have I become such a strong SR for you that you would insult me like this by acting like there is no scenario that I'm town and legitimately asking to be engaged as town before I'm hammered?

I don't see the post where you reasoned your vote, your progression, or why you would make a post like this.

Name the scumteam before EoD.

I initially sheeped Maki then, didnt like your reaction when comparing me to Chara sheeping Wicked, since you SR Chara i thought of it as if you wanted to push a SR on me under the mat, and felt like OMGUS, but your latest post seem to imply this isnt the case, so it's not as strong anymore.

Also EXCUSE ME! but i have a life, sometimes im studying and reading every now and then, but not necessarily have the time to post.

and other times im just playing FGO

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You just realized now?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So this is how you go from "You're lynching Chara over my dead body" to "Chara is scum"?
I couldnt tell if the posts where you said he was obvtowning at the start (and somewhere later i think?) are sarcasm or what.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And yes I read all of it.
Tho it doesnt make sense for an hypothetical scum shuichi to go from "Let's mislynch Dunn" to "Let's make a case on someone everyone but Lycan is townreading"
I think?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede do you think Chara is ever scum?
I don't but if you think so I wanna know why

Kaede do you think Chara is ever scum?
I don't but if you think so I wanna know why

Prolly not.

Ehhhh I guess Maki asking me this makes sense if they are a scumteam, I'm just finding it hard to believe right now.
UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Maki's frustration to being scumread after Dunn's scum flip still feels townie to me idk.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

No, I like your analysis, you were correct in reading my alignment at least.
I'm unsure in how you reached a Chara is scum conclusion, when yesterday you literally stood in Lycan's way of lynching Chara.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Chara isn't happening. If you're that convinced she's scum, hunt her buddies. You are lynching her today over my dead body.

Well, I guess doing a hard reset and going over everything would do it, i wonder why were you so strongly TR chara here then.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm still unsure what to think of this 180, regardless it's kinda hard for Chara and either you or lycan to be scum, it's possible for both of you to be scum and chara town, but if maki, me and chara are all town this is a winning combination regardless of which of you 3 is town.

What you did just puts a hole in that winning combination and im feeling unsure about everything again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh i thought you were saying Maki was scum with Chara.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There isn't much point in doing a play by play when I've read Shuichi's wall twice over but having seen the later unvote I don't understand why Kaede used past tense in the above post over maintain her feelings, or to reinforce misgivings. Not answering my scumteam question is indicative she may have no working theory. All of this combined points that Kaede's vote was poorly placed at the time. I want original thoughts from Kaede and not just responses to Shuichi.

I do not have any working theory because no theories make sense.
And honestly I'm not the type of player to go deep into movements and information like that, it's obvious that whoever is scum is pretty good at covering their tracks, whether that person is you or someone else i have nfi, and I dont feel like trying to make sense of anything at this point and rather continue playing it like I have been.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

10 hours to deadline. Maki? Kaede?

Dunno, that NL is starting to look tempting...
I have issues scumreading anyone but Lycan today, and even that isnt as strong as it was before...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why are people scumreading DS? Like... Wisdom said DS was kinda lynchbait, so im not surprised ppl want him lynched to begin with, but idk, he looks like some carefree kinda person. Like if he's scum he's not even trying to survive or get a ML and suicide.

That's pretty much my main gripe with this, I guess seeing that we have a ML left it'd be worth the risk, but i dont want who im scumreading to leave and then leave me the next day with having to figure out who's the partner...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah i rather do that.
VOTE: Lycan

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think I'm already voting Lycan but anyway just in case
VOTE: Lycan

Nah, you unvoted when shuichi asked when he was making his Climax Logic thing.
You are now tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why are people scumreading DS?

Hello. I'm Shuichi. It seems like you must not read my posts.

Hello i'm Kaede, it seems like you need to read the part you snipped out of my post.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Speaking of the setup:

I just read a bit...
what did i replace into...

I just read a bit...
what did i replace into...

You can still run Kaede...

lol

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why Maki

[Kaede Akamatsu]

no, i don't.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

oh wait i read that as "town motivation" sorry

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like you're disbelieving Maki self vote shenanigans as possibly town motivated (i dont think they are necessarily town motivated i townread her for other reasons), but Lycan wanting to die is town motivated?
Like what?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

my post about how mean you are was to me. me me me.

this made me laugh.

Spoiler:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

fighting against town, fighting against scum. love Perpetual Mylo.

Actually that's mafia in a nutshell.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm really baffled that towns apparently win this

????

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If you guys talked in english instead of riddles/sarcasm that would be appreciated.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Shuichi doesnt wanna lynch Lycan
I dont wanna lynch Maki/DS
Chara doesnt wanna lynch Shuichi
Lycan doesnt wanna lynch DS
Maki doesnt wanna lynch Chara
No one wants to lynch me except DS

Did I get that right?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Inb4 now everyone has a death wish.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

are you not townreading Shuichi?

I wish i had a strong TR on him.
But I dont.

I also dont have that strong of a TR on DS.
The only player im happy calling town is Maki.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wild 180s go!
VOTE: Chara

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I had some inkling of a potential Chara and Maki scum but not necessarily in a team when i checked who the people werent willing to lynch, i still have my doubts of Maki being scum tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Meanwhile Shuichi attacks LHF

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As in DS that is.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Shuichi's PoV: "DS scum, the ppl that dont want to vote him are potentially his scum partners"

Spoiler:

Oh wait except Lycan, because ???? oh right, FATALISM.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Shuichi's PoV: "DS scum, the ppl that dont want to vote him are potentially his scum partners"

Spoiler:

Oh wait except Lycan, because ???? oh right, FATALISM.

And also Diamond having parked on him all day.

Just like Maki parked on Dunn most if not all of yesterday and you were like "OH SHE COULD BE SCUM"
Am i right?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Are you going to try and lynch me tomorrow, is that it?

Oh so lynching Chara/DS means there's gonna be a tomorrow? k then
VOTE: Shuichi

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like how is that naturally formed reads.
Your reads seem like, they diverge from the same reasoning but different reads?
Am i reading your posts right?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Are you going to try and lynch me tomorrow, is that it?

Oh so lynching Chara/DS means there's gonna be a tomorrow? k then
VOTE: Shuichi

Lynching Lycan does.

Oh sure! After im not voting Lycan anymore?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
Oh ok, i misread then.
Anyway pray tell why you're scumreading me or maki

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh look yesterday it was Maki x Chara, now it's Shuichi x Chara.
Do i take this as a hint that Chara's scum going with whoever SRs me in order to destroy my unlynchability?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

take it as whatever you like, Kaede.
how about there's no conspiracy plot and i'm just completely confused as to why you refuse to vote Diamond.

How about you read my posts and see that I acknowledge that Wisdom said DS was lynchbait and defended him until scum NK'd him only to now.... try to lynch DS?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh look yesterday it was Maki x Chara, now it's Shuichi x Chara.
Do i take this as a hint that Chara's scum going with whoever SRs me in order to destroy my unlynchability?

I would say she's been pretty adamant about your unlynchability until like this page.

Yeah, and what was different?
Oh right, you considering me as scum.

Recall what happened yesterday?
Maki considered me scum coz i hadn't unvoted her, and Chara immediately went through the game to paint my posts as fake.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Recall what happened yesterday?
Maki considered me scum coz i hadn't unvoted her, and Chara immediately went through the game to paint my posts as fake.

it had nothing to do with Maki's read on you and everything to do with feeling paranoid about your slot all on my own.

Oh so you got paranoid again coincidentially with Shuichi saying im a potential partner?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

and again, scum Chara is not starved for mislynches.

at all

. i wouldn't need to go digging in locktownreads for mislynches.

And why are you saying this to me instead of when Lycan was attacking you?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Actually nevermind, it was another case of me misreading/misinterpreting something

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh so you got paranoid again coincidentially with Shuichi saying im a potential partner?

i know you don't believe me so i don't know why i'm bothering but no, i had been considering you were scum due to not voting Diamond but now i see it's because Wisdom stated an early townread there.
thanks Wisdom.

Like from my PoV I PERSONALLY dont have much reason to TR DS other than him having some for some reason SR on me all game long. But Wisdom has experience with DS and said he's lynchbait, you dont normally say that about a player unless you know that their town play gets them scumread and mislynched, it's hard to make good judgements on that, which is why I rather trust what Wisdom said.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wisdom saying DS was lynchbait doesn't make DS town, though. yes, Diamond's townplay gets him mislynched. that doesn't mean he can't be scum. if Wisdom were alive

now

and still held that opinion after experiencing the rest of the game, then i'd be comfortable trusting it.

Sure it's quite possible, and if he's scum then all this is probably going to bite me in the ass tomorrow if we ML today and he leaves.
But idgi, then why NK Wisdom if he was supposedly so wrong on DS? Wisdom would just defend him.

As for me well I would trust Wisdom's assesment over mine because I dont have experience with him.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And why cant it be scum NK'd Wisdom because Wisdom's scary AND enables a DS mislynch?
Like seriously you're not considering all scenarios?