Mini 1962: Magical Girls Mafia II (Day 4)

[Elizibereth]

Does it really matter if he did or did not?
What matters is if LLD believed he did.

There was little reason for her to read Almost's post and come to the conclusion of Kaito having a guilty on her.

chara im glad you're still good at being obvtown

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you were obvtown because of the way you claimed lmao

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i want to know if whoever removed mastina was town or scum

[Elizibereth]

Overnight, 42 posts I did make,
Many of them walls, where much I did say.
So understand that I might have some difficulty,
Determining the presentation of the PT.

However, I suppose the place I will start,
Is for the matter of the heart.
In that I should share with you the final reads,
And from there will come my describing.



HardcoreMonkey has earned this high spot,
Between solid play and a bad role to fakeclaim, they are at the top.

Chara/Korekiyo Shinguji/RedFlavor is next on the list,
I recognize the suspicion there but nothing is amiss.

Elizibereth is third, and it's for many reasons I say.
From solid play to a stupid (yet undeniably town) gladiate.

Almost50/Kaede Akamatsu is close to confirmed not scum,
He very easily could have been townread number one.

Maki Marukawa I still think is pure in intention;
She might be rough around the edges but her as town I will defend.


Himiko Yumeno gets to a point where, admittedly,
My townread is weaker in strength unfortunately.
However in spite of not being on the same tier,
I still hold fast to Himiko as one of our peers.


Lady Lambdadelta is, quite seriously,
Not a scumread in spite of everything.
However, were my scumreads to be shown incorrect,
Admittedly she'd be my first suspicion, sorry, my friend.


In my reads right here is a BIG FUCKING HUGE GAP;
It's hilariously huge to the point it makes me laugh.
Seriously I cannot emphasize enough the difference in strength,
The separation between these two is the difference between night and day.


Panzerjager is my tertiary scumread, it won't take long for the why,
I encourage an iso to show his crimes.
I will detail reasons at a later time,
But for now this should be plenty to suffice.

Kaito Momota has done nothing of note,
Iso him yourself and then you will know.
Tell me where his content contains scumhunting,
Because as far as I could tell there was nothing.

And for the finale when it comes to reads,
Kokichi Oma is a scumfuck in all his posting.
Basically he has the gerryoat model of scumplay,
Something I will later be able to demonstrate.



If you think these explanations are all I have,
FUCK no, they're just summaries of why each player is good or bad.
My full reasoning I have yet to unleash;
My neighborhood has the entire reasoning.

It will still take me some time,
To paraphrase the contents in a rhyme.
Still, this should be enough to inspire curiosity,
And I ask you kindly for you to sheep me.

so the tldr of their reads are

Monkey
Chara
Us
Almost50
Maki

small gap

Himiko
LLD

BIG FUCKING GAP

Panzer
Kaito
Kokichi

[Elizibereth]

me too

[Elizibereth]

You don't seem to get it.

THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD BELIEVE THERE IS A GUILTY ON ME, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I AM A COMMUTER AND NOTHING CAN TARGET ME.

SO THIS THEORY IS FUCKING BULLSHIT I HAVE A LITERAL PROVABLE ROLE< LMFAO

LLD I'm bad with roles.

how do you prove commuter >.<

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like chill you know I'm not unreasonable

How do I know you're a commuter.

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wait does it work during the day?

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rip i thought i could gladiate and it would fail and then this would be ez

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You don't seem to get it.

THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD BELIEVE THERE IS A GUILTY ON ME, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I AM A COMMUTER AND NOTHING CAN TARGET ME.

SO THIS THEORY IS FUCKING BULLSHIT I HAVE A LITERAL PROVABLE ROLE< LMFAO

If I commute and you target me and you get no result (if you shoot me, no shot, if you track me, no track) it shows I am not targetable.

It's a night ability tho, so.

Bullshit

VOTE: Lady Lambdadleta

I'm waiting for the OK from Elli before we gladiate. Confirmable role my ass

[Elizibereth]

mulch stop

unvote

[Elizibereth]

LLD

okay

so to get that you have a commute ability confirmed you need someone to target you tonight and then they'll get some mssg that says it didn't work right?

[Elizibereth]

like honestly I don't care about this role shit here it could be some weird odd even shenanigans shit too.

IGNORING ROLE STUFF why are you town.

[Elizibereth]

Elli is pissing me the fuck off this is obvious

Commuters can be scum and he's claiming it as some type of confirmable role

I'm one step away from gladiating

[Elizibereth]

Mulch, go on discord, let me talk to her.

LLD - just the commuter stuff won't do it for me. I have no doubt you'll test correctly for it. That doesn't clear you here. Odd/even night shit or limitations on ability usage or it being part of a package are all possible and in vogue in role madness start.

If you're town let's do it through meta or play yeah?

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wat?

dude you being able to prove you can commute tonight doesn't make my theory wrong.

that's the point.

Look at it from my shoes for a second.

The narrative makes sense.

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Why were you demoralized?

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Mulch, the point is if LLD knows she couldn't be targeted she'd have no reason to fear Kaito's investigation.
Also, don't gladiate. There are slots we need to hear from.

I think it's highly likely that they are pulling that claim out of their ass fresh out of scumchat where they planned the almost perfect claim

And if they are somehow a commuter I don't understand why they are hammering anyway

[Elizibereth]

I find this claim to be very dubious

One of my abilities is also a commute, for the record.

AHA

VOTE: LLD

[Elizibereth]

MULCH STOP

UNVOTE

[Elizibereth]

He's literally lying up his ass and was counterclaimed

I've never seen an open and shut case like this

Stop prancing around

[Elizibereth]

Elli, if you lynch me here, regardless of your alignment, every game we play from now on I'm going to spam the word "narrative" at you and point at this game so everyone knows how fuckking bad you and Mulch both are.

I don't even know what this means but I dont' think it excuses you being counterclaimed

[Elizibereth]

STOP AND UNVOTE THIS IS EASIER THEN IT LOOKS

Why unvote?

[Elizibereth]

Mulch, the point is if LLD knows she couldn't be targeted she'd have no reason to fear Kaito's investigation.
Also, don't gladiate. There are slots we need to hear from.

I think it's highly likely that they are pulling that claim out of their ass fresh out of scumchat where they planned the almost perfect claim

And if they are somehow a commuter I don't understand why they are hammering anyway

I DIDN'T MEAN TO HAMMER YOU FUCKING HALFWIT

What did you think the count was?

[Elizibereth]

STOP AND UNVOTE THIS IS EASIER THEN IT LOOKS

Why unvote?

You're voting a slot over someone I think could be scum that has not posted in 10 days we need a replacement we need all the info why are you just letting Himiko get a free pass when you outright gladiator someone with 4 posts

I never said I was gladiating, why unvote?

[Elizibereth]

He's literally lying up his ass and was counterclaimed

I've never seen an open and shut case like this

Stop prancing around

I AM

A

WOMAN.

YOU MADE THIS MISTAKE ONCE.

I LET IT GO.

NOW IT'S DEFINTIELY NOT A TYPO.

CAN YOU FUCK OFF

I'm notorious for this stuff, I apologize

- Mulch

I do it in almost every game I play unintentionally

[Elizibereth]

Can we discuss me counter claiming LLD? I don't really care about waiting for or discussing a lurker again.

If your scum your suiciding so I'm never voting you over him

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Mulch, the point is if LLD knows she couldn't be targeted she'd have no reason to fear Kaito's investigation.
Also, don't gladiate. There are slots we need to hear from.

I think it's highly likely that they are pulling that claim out of their ass fresh out of scumchat where they planned the almost perfect claim

And if they are somehow a commuter I don't understand why they are hammering anyway

I DIDN'T MEAN TO HAMMER YOU FUCKING HALFWIT

What did you think the count was?

L-2. I SAID THAT I THOUGHT I WAS PUTTING THEM TO L-1, THERE WAS A WHOLE STRING OF POSTS TODAY ABOUT IT YOU BLIND FUCK

Which vote did you miss?

[Elizibereth]

It would be great if the mod could reply to me so we can move on.

Stop angling for attention and spit out your ability

[Elizibereth]

Elli is making me sign my posts from now on btw

[Elizibereth]

STOP AND UNVOTE THIS IS EASIER THEN IT LOOKS

Why unvote?

You're voting a slot over someone I think could be scum that has not posted in 10 days we need a replacement we need all the info why are you just letting Himiko get a free pass when you outright gladiator someone with 4 posts

I never said I was gladiating, why unvote?

That's not the issue the issue is why you're basically ignoring Himiko

Why are you pressing on this question when my question is why you wanted me to unvote?

And what am I ignoring?

[Elizibereth]

STOP AND UNVOTE THIS IS EASIER THEN IT LOOKS

Why unvote?

You're voting a slot over someone I think could be scum that has not posted in 10 days we need a replacement we need all the info why are you just letting Himiko get a free pass when you outright gladiator someone with 4 posts

I never said I was gladiating, why unvote?

That's not the issue the issue is why you're basically ignoring Himiko

Why are you pressing on this question when my question is why you wanted me to unvote?

And what am I ignoring?

- Mulch

[Elizibereth]

Mulch, the point is if LLD knows she couldn't be targeted she'd have no reason to fear Kaito's investigation.
Also, don't gladiate. There are slots we need to hear from.

I think it's highly likely that they are pulling that claim out of their ass fresh out of scumchat where they planned the almost perfect claim

And if they are somehow a commuter I don't understand why they are hammering anyway

I DIDN'T MEAN TO HAMMER YOU FUCKING HALFWIT

What did you think the count was?

L-2. I SAID THAT I THOUGHT I WAS PUTTING THEM TO L-1, THERE WAS A WHOLE STRING OF POSTS TODAY ABOUT IT YOU BLIND FUCK

Which vote did you miss?

It wasn't that I missed a vote, it's that I miscounted.

Let me get this straight. You saw the mod count with 3 votes. You then didn't miss a vote. So you MISCOUNTED 3+1+1+whatever it was?


I have another question for you. Panzer is counterclaiming you right now, AND you somehow came up with the most PERFECT claim that would somehow excuse your actions from yesterday. I'm having a hard time believing that your getting so angry at us for believing you are scum when you should understand that if you are somehow miraculously town, you have a lot of fucking convincing to do

- Mulch

[Elizibereth]

shea and ep were actively on the time while as far as i can tell torque kinda flaked everywhere

[Elizibereth]

STOP AND UNVOTE THIS IS EASIER THEN IT LOOKS

Why unvote?

You're voting a slot over someone I think could be scum that has not posted in 10 days we need a replacement we need all the info why are you just letting Himiko get a free pass when you outright gladiator someone with 4 posts

I never said I was gladiating, why unvote?

That's not the issue the issue is why you're basically ignoring Himiko

Why are you pressing on this question when my question is why you wanted me to unvote?

And what am I ignoring?

Because we're not lynching yet so your vote is pointless. You gladiators the erra hydra who had barely any posts. But when it comes to Himiko a slot who's been afk for 10 days you just seem content with letting it go if you gladiator that slot I would be more willing to understand but I don't

So. You have been saying this entire time to unvote, panicking over it, just because "it would be pointless."? Why do you care?

- Mulch

[Elizibereth]

Mulch, the point is if LLD knows she couldn't be targeted she'd have no reason to fear Kaito's investigation.
Also, don't gladiate. There are slots we need to hear from.

I think it's highly likely that they are pulling that claim out of their ass fresh out of scumchat where they planned the almost perfect claim

And if they are somehow a commuter I don't understand why they are hammering anyway

I DIDN'T MEAN TO HAMMER YOU FUCKING HALFWIT

What did you think the count was?

L-2. I SAID THAT I THOUGHT I WAS PUTTING THEM TO L-1, THERE WAS A WHOLE STRING OF POSTS TODAY ABOUT IT YOU BLIND FUCK

Which vote did you miss?

It wasn't that I missed a vote, it's that I miscounted.

Let me get this straight. You saw the mod count with 3 votes. You then didn't miss a vote. So you MISCOUNTED 3+1+1+whatever it was?


I have another question for you. Panzer is counterclaiming you right now, AND you somehow came up with the most PERFECT claim that would somehow excuse your actions from yesterday. I'm having a hard time believing that your getting so angry at us for believing you are scum when you should understand that if you are somehow miraculously town, you have a lot of fucking convincing to do

- Mulch

If you can't see that Panzer walked in the thread and said "I have one too" as a counter claim thing to get me lynched, without any repricusion, you're fucking blind.

he didn't even claim his role name, abilities, or nothing.

He's just saying that so you'll gladiate me, and then tomorrow he'll be like "I guess there are two commuters LUL MODS" and it'll be over.

Is there any reason why you ignored my counting question? lol


If you flip town then panzer is 100% scum, this is a full blown counterclaim, it's a fucking suicide bomber mission from panzer if he's scum especially because if your town and panzer is scum, I was probably gladiating you anyway WITHOUT his claim, so it's more like a suicide mission without the bomb.

The fact your saying it's so "obvious" reads as hella ingenuine to me

[Elizibereth]

ELli isn't letting me gladiate or vote but believe me if I could I would be gladiating your ass so quick rn

[Elizibereth]

They gladiated Shea with like 24 hrs on deadline this is different. Also most the game has been night on those 10 days.

I still think the Shea gladiate was scummy but it's obvious the context is different

Also lld is scum.

No shit their scum

[Elizibereth]

They gladiated Shea with like 24 hrs on deadline this is different. Also most the game has been night on those 10 days.

I still think the Shea gladiate was scummy but it's obvious the context is different

Also lld is scum.

No shit their scum

Dear Mulch,

The fact you can't see this person is playing both sides (calling your slot scummy and then my slot scummy) while "counter claiming" me shows just how far your head is up your ass.

Please let Elli play the game for you, and go drool what remains of your IQ on your keyboard somewhere else

sincerely,

LLD

I could have a fucking zero percent IQ and still realize that when someone counterclaims, BESIDES all this dubious ass shit that you have going for you, you lynched the person they counterclaimed.

[Elizibereth]

I'll say one good thing.

When I flip town, this game will do wonders for my meta with idiots like you!

You remind me of my scum game t b h

[Elizibereth]

anyway, go get Elli. I need someone sensible. Well, mostly sensible. I feel like you're kind of dragging him down a bit.

He's taking a break to cool down. Your super lucky he's much softer than I am

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My scum game is infinitely better than yours and the only reason Elli is being stupid.

What's your record

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If you can't see that Panzer walked in the thread and said "I have one too" as a counter claim thing to get me lynched, without any repricusion, you're fucking blind.

he didn't even claim his role name, abilities, or nothing.

Akko "best girl" Kagari. I have the ability to transform into other things. One of them is a mouse. The mouse commutes.

This makes sense to me, mouse commutes, got it

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My scum game is infinitely better than yours and the only reason Elli is being stupid.

What's your record

lol no response

- Mulch

[Elizibereth]

My scum game is infinitely better than yours and the only reason Elli is being stupid.

What's your record

lol no response

- Mulch

Why would I 1) dignify that with a response to begin with and 2) go back and look through all my games, on and off site to look through this?

I know I'm better than you, and what's more is Elli knows I'm better than you so

eat a dick~

I'm 9-1 in normal (ie balanced games)

I doubt your that good but

w/e

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Actually I don't even know when I'm getting in a dick measuring contest with you


If your any good at scum than these reactions are even making you look less towny because your anger was the only towny thing about you


so congratulations, you played yourself

- Mulch

[Elizibereth]

sup

not that much time next couple days, a bunch of meetings.

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to all the blahblahhblah kaito stuff on the top of the previous page I get it.

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uuh two pages previous oop

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These aren't really reads because everything here is obvious lol.

TOWN
Elizi
Almost50
Kiyo

AT LEAST 1 SCUM
LLD
Panzer

PEOPLE LEFT
Himiko Yumeno
Maki Harukawa
Kokichi Oma
The Brain and Pinky

I know almost/kiyo gave reasons for maki and kokichi town that i skimmed past so h/o

[Elizibereth]

the AT LEAST 1 are the exact words i want there btw
not an error

[Elizibereth]

Koki is Town because of many things, but one that I did hint is that he knew Kaito was a Cop as well as I did. Kaito didn't die and didn't get blocked on N1, and Koki had always defended Kaito all the way both in the main thread and in the neighbourhood. It would have been easy for Scum!Koki to be unsure in the PT right off the bat, or to show some suspicion when Ice turned out dead.

The target of the investigative ended up dead so the "didn't die and didn't get blocked" point is moot right?

[Elizibereth]

Walk me through LLD locktown?

and then given that walk me through why Panzer towniest out of that group.

(we can even just brush past the part where town has 2 commuters if you're right on both).

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is the 100% mastina scum a secret neighborhood thing

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Almost50

The main reason you talked about for putting faith in panzer and lld BOTH is the power claim stuff that happened right? (Lemme know if im blind and missed something else).

My hunch is that they would both openly admit they would do something like that as either alignment. (We can verify that here!)

So is there other stuff.

And however much I want to discuss it role free.
my instinct is that the double commuter claims is actually what it looks like
at least one faked.

[Elizibereth]

I'm busy atm but I'll look and think about the pairings stuff later if I feel like it.

I'm not sure how useful it is.

[Elizibereth]

like i think its kinda just a summary of the list i put earlier except i think you strongly have lld/panzer as different alignments when I do have some paranoia about them making a play together

[Elizibereth]

The main reason you talked about for putting faith in panzer and lld BOTH is the power claim stuff that happened right? (Lemme know if im blind and missed something else).

Basically, yes. I mean, I could come up with weaker arguments for either individually, but assuming they're Town together is basically due to that.

OKAY

Panzer and LLD please verify the below

My hunch is that they would both openly admit they would do something like that as either alignment. (We can verify that here!)

[Elizibereth]

VOTE: Lld


Someone give me one good reason why I shoulden't gladiate them right now


- Mulch

[Elizibereth]

So what I'm saying is, my town range covers my scum range and then a tiny bit more and we haven't hit that tiny bit more. What I am doing I could do as scum, it's a question of my motivations, intent and essentially you asking yourself "why did LLD do this?" and seeing that "LLD is probably town because of this motivation".

1) Why would LLD claim commutter

Let's see, beause it gives you the perfect excuse for why you hammered


2) Why would LLD get counterclaimed

BEACUSE there is a town commuter and LLD is scum

[Elizibereth]

Panzer insists on lynching LLD over Porkens who he still SRs

Beacuse they have a counterclaim? Stop being dumb

If Panzer is scum they did a suicide mission

[Elizibereth]

Panzer insists on lynching LLD over Porkens who he still SRs

Beacuse they have a counterclaim? Stop being dumb

If Panzer is scum they did a suicide mission

-Mulch

[Elizibereth]

I was planning to claim a super strong PR, and then dodge the kill with Commute.

lool

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This is the dumbest shit I've ever read in my life, Lady popps in

"This isn't in my scumrange"

Popps out

Waits for town to self destruct

not on mulch's watch

[Elizibereth]

VOTE: Lld


Someone give me one good reason why I shoulden't gladiate them right now


- Mulch

The only reason I have is you'd probably cost us the game, but feel free to do it and take the blame for 2 mislynches.

2?

If LLD is town then panzer is scum, we have a guilty child

[Elizibereth]

although to be fair I was probably at faulyt for the statsquo mislynch

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rip I'm being a dick prob


Anyway what's your reason for reading LLD town

[Elizibereth]

It's not panzer rofl scum dosen't counterclaim like that

[Elizibereth]

Alright about to gladiate LLD

Good luck friends

[Elizibereth]

Alright about to gladiate LLD

Good luck friends

Just checking with Elli





Don't worry town I'm saving you from a catastrophic mistake

[Elizibereth]

i've been busy and i told mulch no

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If we lynch the counterclaimer I'm going to flip my SHIT this is mafia 101

[Elizibereth]

Panzer stay the course

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Vote: Porkens

This is the scummiest vote I've ever seen

[Elizibereth]

THIS IS A VILLAGER

VOTE: LLD

[Elizibereth]

@Elli/Mulch:

Please provide you reads. Each of you. Thanks.

Provide me with a player list plz

[Elizibereth]

nvn

Magical Girls(Boys also included)
Kaede Akamatsu Almost50- Town
Lady Lambdadelta- Scum
Himiko Yumeno- ask elli
Maki Harukawa- scummy
Elizibereth (Ellibereth + Mulch)- Town
Panzerjager- towny
Kokichi Oma- ask elli
The Brain and Pinky (mastina + Ginngie)- null
RedFlavor Korekiyo Shinguji- towny?

[Elizibereth]

been busy
haven't read or thought about since last reads list

I'll try to later

[Elizibereth]

These aren't really reads because everything here is obvious lol.

TOWN
Elizi
Almost50
Kiyo

AT LEAST 1 SCUM
LLD
Panzer

PEOPLE LEFT
Himiko Yumeno
Maki Harukawa
Kokichi Oma
The Brain and Pinky

I know almost/kiyo gave reasons for maki and kokichi town that i skimmed past so h/o

[Elizibereth]

on the last line

i think me and a50 established why his townread on kokich didn't make sense

chara why you townread maki.
and what percent.

[Elizibereth]

I am banking on Chara being town this game.
I am banking on Maki being town this game.

Why

[Elizibereth]

I don't have time to deal through these massive posts I'll do them tomorrow

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Yes that's me not using a rhyme. It was faked,

Lynch All Liars

Bruh

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Vote: Kokichi