Mini 1965: Spongebobo Squarepants Mafiaoso [Game Over]

[Cephrir]

lol

[Cephrir]

i'm not and u suck.

[Cephrir]

oh, great.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir who’s town?

Yar is confirmed town.
We probably have a scum in tywin/lucky and a scum in you/bee. At present I think it's most likely lucky and you.

[Cephrir]

Tywin's fleeting relationship with sanity and making sense make me think he's more likely town, but I could definitely be wrong about that and have been before.

[Cephrir]

13 with four scum seems a bit much though and game would be over here.

So one of lucky, AFM, and Cephrir have to be town.

Someone tell me where I am wrong.

Where you started doing vca

[Cephrir]

Tywin's fleeting relationship with sanity and making sense make me think he's more likely town, but I could definitely be wrong about that and have been before.

I don't like this post.

I'm not surprised

[Cephrir]

you asked when you went wrong. i told you: it's when you thought coloring in names was a good way to find scum.

yes, you're correct. there are 6 living players and 5 were on that wagon. i don't think it's a particularly useful question or that it differs meaningfully from "who is scum?" which i have already pretty much answered. if you'd like to ask a more useful question, like "which of these actual moves looks like a bus?" i can answer that instead. i probably will, but i'm running out the door atm.

[Cephrir]

Please, please, for the sake of my blood pressure, read the thread before you go around shitting on people's ideas. We are paying attention and know how to play mafia there us obviously a reason for the suggestion

[Cephrir]

(Here: Lucky has claimed doctor and yar may be able to confirm someone at night.)

[Cephrir]

Even if he isn't a doctor, if he killed yar he would be admitting to being scum which accomplishes the same objective.

Then you will consistently hate me. It's not being afraid to take a stance -- I'm just honest about how sure I feel and that's usually pretty not sure. I'm trying to work on it but that's me.

[Cephrir]

Ok. So I'm SpongeBob the Weenie Goofy Goober Rock Doc. Essentially I am a macho doc. Hence my claim that an unkillable role should not exist but there you go... On night 1 Porkens protected nobody because I guess he flaked on the game without submitting a target. Night 2 I was prohibited from using the role as I was kidnapped, and night 3 I protected NN. He died anyway. I'm guessing that has something to do with the remorseful part of his vig role, that I couldn't protect him from himself.

There is something else that happened day 1 that isn't part of my role, but I was told about. Not exactly sure the mechanics of it. I was told that Doodle Bob is in the game and that he is scum. He knows that SpongeBob is in the game, and that I am town. I presume he also knows that I know he is scum.

On the topic of NN and me on a journey (that's what it was called when we were kidnapped), as I said earlier I replaced in right when that PT started so almost all of NNs interactions were with me. I was hoping he'd be alive to confirm this with me, but I ended up hard town reading him from this PT because he pulled a stupid gambit and claimed survivor to me with a guilty result on my slot and that he wanted to team up. Long story short and about 5 pages of back and forth and we concluded that we were both town. This pretty much means nothing now that he isn't here to confirm it though...

[Cephrir]

:/

[Cephrir]

Well ok guess luckys scum

[Cephrir]

Lucky isn't doctor lol.

Also I had a problem with your post because you were afraid to take a controversial stance.

Lucky eats rope today.

He does and this is very far from the reason why.

[Cephrir]

Because Tywinn died not yarr which I am still looking for why yarr is confirmed town.

They were investigated by assemble

Read the game

[Cephrir]

I be concerned about the direction this be takin'.

There be straight-forward-like explanations for the tywin feller dying, one o' the simplest be that Lucky be town (by the by, I did indeed visit the debt-repaying feller, not the lucky rabbit feller). Other reasons include: Scurvy scoundrels be wantin' him to get lynched even though he be scurvy, and the super-powers scum be gainin' from killin' spongebob be good enough that he be the better kill.

So irrational mathy feller: What powers be ye gainin' today?

Well, okay. If Lucky is scum here, then scum must have thought they had the game in the bag after his lynch. Why would they think that?

What power would be worth sacrificing him? Surely they can't be unlynchable or anything like that.

If he's town (ugh), then it does make sense for the scum to try to take advantage of the claim situation, but I don't know if I believe that's what's happening.

[Cephrir]

No. You’re not a reincarnation of him as a rock and roll wizard.

You just lied about being spongebob and it has been proven.

Tell me why I should believe a damn word out of your mouth.

I was subtlety counter claiming Lucky here and notice how Lucky said no claimed protectives. This is accurate. I have 0 reason to believe the claim as I received a power that could be used as a protective. It could also be used as an investigative even though that doesn’t seem to be its intent as written.

You know there is a dead bodyguard, right? And I had a 1-shot jailkeep? If we're doing setup spec then like.... do it better.

[Cephrir]

-There be a lot of protection, but no evidence of strong-like throat-slittin'.

I'd say your survival is pretty good evidence against such a thing.

Also, putting a strongman and a bodyguard in the same setup is just... weird.

But maybe it's the doodlebob power. Or... one of them? Are there multiple?

[Cephrir]

I still kinda just want to lynch Ceph first. But now it is prolly MathBlade and not lucky

My dude it's gonna be real hard to win this game if you're town when you just go with the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

[Cephrir]

Hell the jailkeeper claim may not even be a lie. If doodle bob really existed for Tywin and myself, then he unlocked his power and he is doodlebob.

...

Um. Good point?

Math, what unlocked your power? Your predecessor claimed it was an unknown condition. Was it the death of Spongebob?

[Cephrir]

Yep.

My role is not labeled as such a protective but it’s utility here is. It’s because of the situation we are in it is a protective.

That and the fact the mod told me there is only one Spongebob last night.

I would really like it if you were a lot clearer.

[Cephrir]

I still kinda just want to lynch Ceph first. But now it is prolly MathBlade and not lucky

My dude it's gonna be real hard to win this game if you're town when you just go with the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

Then again, if this is a lucky/math cc situation then I guess I don't need to worry about this option cause you ain't town.

[Cephrir]

Yep.

My role is not labeled as such a protective but it’s utility here is. It’s because of the situation we are in it is a protective.

That and the fact the mod told me there is only one Spongebob last night.

I would really like it if you were a lot clearer.

On further thought, just explain the spongebob thing more please.

[Cephrir]

Is it possible that that refers only to regular spongebob, somehow?

It doesn't seem to me like there's room for that in what you're saying, but I want to be sure.

[Cephrir]

Hm.

OK.

[Cephrir]

Math, doesn't your plan break if doodlebob is a strongman?

[Cephrir]

And honestly that seems to me like the most likely thing it would be.

[Cephrir]

"Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks."

I guess that's not redirection but it seems potentially unclear

[Cephrir]

Notice the change in tone when he thought he could convince me to go elsewhere versus when I hard CC’d and then when I had intent to vote.

To be fair, if he is town that would have confirmed you as scum to him.

[Cephrir]

you're really bad at explaining this math....

let's put some names to this and you tell me if I'm wrong.

you lynch me and win as scum with your teammate

. you lynch me and I flip scum. You target Alisae your scum read for this night action of yours. You die. What did this prove? It still means that either Alisae was redirected to kill you, or that Ceph just killed you. Does it not? So... it didn't innocent anyone. Yarr would still be in lylo deciding Alisae or Ceph.

I'm trying to give you a possibility to see lylo math, because it might make more sense to lynch between the supposedly disabled JOAT and the self watcher right now mechanics wise. I'm still a doc, you still have a claimed night action to take, and I think Yarr does too right? or was that one shot Yarr?

This is AFTER I said Lucky is confirmed scum to me.

Why would town!Lucky give me a chance to see lylo?

OK fine I wasn't paying attention.

[Cephrir]

you're really bad at explaining this math....

let's put some names to this and you tell me if I'm wrong.

you lynch me and win as scum with your teammate

. you lynch me and I flip scum. You target Alisae your scum read for this night action of yours. You die. What did this prove? It still means that either Alisae was redirected to kill you, or that Ceph just killed you. Does it not? So... it didn't innocent anyone. Yarr would still be in lylo deciding Alisae or Ceph.

I'm trying to give you a possibility to see lylo math, because it might make more sense to lynch between the supposedly disabled JOAT and the self watcher right now mechanics wise. I'm still a doc, you still have a claimed night action to take, and I think Yarr does too right? or was that one shot Yarr?

This is AFTER I said Lucky is confirmed scum to me.

Why would town!Lucky give me a chance to see lylo?

OK fine I wasn't paying attention.

Okay now that you are what do you think?

I agree the change in treatment should have come earlier.

I'm thinking you're probably town here (despite your predecessor)

[Cephrir]

Yeah, that would make lucky scum. I know.

I'm in bed right now so I'll answer the other question when I have time to look at what you're referring to.

[Cephrir]

i guess I confirm I see this?

@Cephrir here ya go.

Oh, I mean.

You don't have to convince me that slot's scum. I already know that.

[Cephrir]

How about we be talkin' about more interestin' things.

Here be a suggested topic: "If yarrrgami be uprightly and the lucky rabbit feller be scurvy, why did the scurvy scoundrels kill the debt-repayin' fellers?"

To give the lucky rabbit feller a chance to survive?

[Cephrir]

If it's intended to fix this situation for them, it could be something to get around math, but that seems like weird design -- why do that whole interaction at all? It could be an unlynchable or vengeful, but why would that work in lylo, that would be BS.

[Cephrir]

Did he say it was unbalanced? If so, I missed that.

[Cephrir]

Another possible factor: Perhaps Tywin was too stubborn and right? I don't remember what his reads were. You are a more critical thinker -- perhaps they wanted that in the game?

[Cephrir]

Hmm, I see.

Well, Math's role is pretty stupid. That seems to account for some of it.

[Cephrir]

The NK immune miler is also a bit of a troll, and there was a dreaming god in the setup.

[Cephrir]

I don't recall that option being presented to me, but if it was, I don't know if my anime suspicions were really swinging into high gear until a lot of the chaff died off.

[Cephrir]

Or, at least, until he made that godawful "i have no opinion about which wagon is better" post.

[Cephrir]

I suppose that is true.

No. I think they are going into today expecting him to be lynched, whether he's scum or not. And they most likely still think he will be.

[Cephrir]

Although, I will admit I can't help feeling like there's a reasonable chance you're about to try to lynch me.

[Cephrir]

Agreed!

[Cephrir]

So basically, I think we've either got math/bee scum looking to win here and there were two spongebobs, or lucky/bee scum think bee can 1v1 me and they're probably right.

[Cephrir]

So basically, I think we've either got math/bee scum looking to win here and there were two spongebobs, or lucky/bee scum think bee can 1v1 me and they're probably right.

I guess there is a nonzero possibility of a double-bus.

[Cephrir]

Ecto and Lucky are scum.

Lucky is scum by fakeclaim.

Ecto is scum by refusing to claim and stalling.

Discuss.

>___>

[Cephrir]

Ecto and Lucky are scum.

Lucky is scum by fakeclaim.

Ecto is scum by refusing to claim and stalling.

Discuss.

>___>

Keep trying to "find my partner" it only makes me more sure you are the second scum here over Alisae.

How dare I think or have opinions!

[Cephrir]

What made you change from Cephrir having hammers to me?

In lylo you want your top townread to have hammers.

They are concerned about Lucky possibly being a supersaint, I think.

[Cephrir]

also fwiw if i somehow died tonight math if you lynch yarr i will literally haunt you forever.

[Cephrir]

(and if the mod so much as thought about putting a godfather in a game with only a single one-shot role with a reasonable chance of not choosing to be a cop, there will be words)

[Cephrir]

[this seems like a good time to point out that godfathers are a terrible role and should never be used in closed setups]

[Cephrir]

Look, if he's a godfather, we lost and I don't blame myself.

[Cephrir]

You won't unvote even to revoke again shortly thereafter?

Why not?

[Cephrir]

Re vote*

[Cephrir]

I don't think Yarr is unaware that at least one of you two is scum.

[Cephrir]

You will unvote when the time is right, or I will vote you and you'll lose the game regardless of your alignment.

Again, explain why I would gamethrow?

Unvoting mod confirmed scum is gamethrowing.

If you're town: you stick too hard and fast to your rules.

[Cephrir]

Yarr thinks you are the most likely scum buddy for lucky and wants to make sure youre the one who blows up if he's a supersaint.

It's a fringe case and not really worth the number of protests that have already been expended on it.

[Cephrir]

It's not a universal rule, just something many mods have been doing lately, mostly with hated/loved modifiers.

[Cephrir]

I don't think briefly unvoting someone is in any way a gamethrow.

[Cephrir]

I am happily delegating the hammer you offered me back to you.

[Cephrir]

I guess I don't get why it matters so much.

[Cephrir]

The premise is that you are not known to be town. If we knew who was town, the game would be over already.

[Cephrir]

There is no way anyone would hammer any scum in that case.

The partner can just say what if supersaint.

No. Supersaint is always off in lylo.

Y’all can just fucking hammer Lucky and be done with it.

The difference here being that we know the scum have just acquired some sort of strong power.

[Cephrir]

If it's irrelevant then just cooperate.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Lucky

[Cephrir]

I used to be a land-piggy.

[Cephrir]

His partner would have happily hopped on as vote #2, pretty much securing a scurvy win.

[Cephrir]

Math?

[Cephrir]

Hiya. I have a minute but will be sleeping soon.

[Cephrir]

I picked Yarr because I wanted to die and had to rule out the possibility of Yarr scum.

I was hoping whoever was scum would believe I would target in Alisae and Cephrir and then kill them and try to frame me.

I was really hoping Yarr was scum so I would be dead and then you three could decide if by the end.

I had Alisae down first because then Cephrir who I townread would work with Yarr to lynch Alisae But Yarr paranoia kept creeping in.

I was thinking Yarr was just a rolecop but loud to Spongebob.

In short I lack an innocent.

I almost changed it to Cephrir thinking I had another day to decide:

I thought I had made it fairly clear I wasn't ever going to lynch yarr even if you died, so that was a mistake even if we couldn't now see the outcome :/

[Cephrir]

uhhh.. my role is kinda elaborate.

2. if you wanted to know hebi idk if you actually get the description to know what it means but yeah.

uhhh.. my role is kinda elaborate.2. if you wanted to know hebi idk if you actually get the description to know what it means but yeah.

After having my role card checked I claimed the number 2

Also it was night 1 I had 2 visitors
N2 I had 1
every other night I had zero.

I was never roleblocked this game.

I guess that's not the worst crumb ever. You probably could have gone another direction later though, like theres some room ("I watched x and saw two people visit them" or smth) and there's also the factor of the extra N1 person as well as the N2 person being mysteries.

You can be roleblocked? I guess I would've structured this role differently, but I guess.

[Cephrir]

And I mean even if you are scum there's no reason you cant be telling the truth about your role I suppose. I wouldn't call it a guarantee tho.

[Cephrir]

Also Yarr town read me.
The night 1 kill town read me and scum read Ceph.
Skirt Skirt spent the entire time he was alive pushing Ceph and also town read me.

The other kills was the cop, TwinL and the bodygaurd.

No idea why TwinL was killed thh


IDK I feel kinda clear from your POV math.

Yarr townread me too. The person who benefits from their death is clearly math, bit it can be a wifom play. I think the best move from you scum would be killing math or nobody.

Also, NN flipped his read on me to only scum if it was with TIAM before his death.

[Cephrir]

Like his final reads were me tiam or anime assemble with lucky as kind of a third wheel option

Whoever killed him may have done so partly because of lucky but I wouldn't have been worried about him coming after me right after tiam flipped town.

[Cephrir]

I am saying my self watcher claim is confirmed.
Hebi rolecopped me as well so if my role was like
Self watcher strongman
or self watcher kidnapper
self watcher scum shit

Hebi wouldn't have said "beeboy has a town role"

That's kind of valid. Kidnapper probably isn't in there.

Still no idea why she thought self watcher was town though.

[Cephrir]

Town has a lot of clears as well I don't think it's reasonable to think 1x Roleblocker is enough to deal with the town given Desperado literally could have been a deathproof conf town.

Well we don't know what else scum has besides probably the kidnapper (which could be a factional??)

But I don't think we were super strong as a town really. We basically had a sorta cop and a 1 shot cop and... a bodyguard? Meh?

[Cephrir]

Good night

[Cephrir]

idk i think it's just math

Assume it’s me incorrectly

Why the fuck would two people inherit powers from doodlebob and be scum?

Why would I CC and “bus” Lucky and then not kill you or Cephrir?

Presumably it would have to be a fakeclaim you have.

Well, lucky was toast yesterday anyway. I wouldn't give anyone credit for bussing him. What bears thinking about is why scum would kill tywin and leave him to die. They must have thought they could win anyway, and for what it's worth I don't think I was in a good position to not be lynched in lylo at that time.

[Cephrir]

How people who suspected Cephrir continually dying though is also a really good point.

I just don't think this is accurate! N1 kill had no particular suspicion of me. I have no idea what asp's reads were but he might have died saving someone. NN you could argue, but as I just pointed out he was coming off me before his death. Tywin was going for lucky and your slot, also having recently come off me after I finally claimed something he could accept. Yarr seemed to be considering me but their strongest suspect was you.

[Cephrir]

team's probs anime and ass or ceph and tiam

team's probs anime and ass or ceph and tiam

if this reds ceph tomorrow

if it greens its probably a pool of {anime, ass, lucky}

Like if I'm scum and I read these posts, and I don't know NN is a vig who is about to vig assemble, I don't kill him N3. I possibly kill him N4, but I'd be wanting to get at least one mislynch from his theory. I guess if you want to argue I'm a rolecop you can but I think that at least my track shot is pretty clearly real

[Cephrir]

At some point I'm gonna skim over the game again and do associatives with lucky's slot

[Cephrir]

confirming i saw you go nowhere.

[Cephrir]

i also hinted that the result was not particularly incriminating earlier on when I got mixed up and thought yar wanted me to claim or whatever.

[Cephrir]

Assuming the kidnapper exists they only used their ability once but if bee were the kidnapper i'd presumably have seen him visiting the targets. plus, it would most likely have been in his rolename and there's no way hebi could mess that up. so if he's scum then either it's a factional ability or the dreaming god did it.

[Cephrir]

By the same token, I can't really have kidnapped anyone with a non factional action unless I somehow guessed that bee didn't visit anyone.

[Cephrir]

the kidnap thing we are talking about is "whatever thing caused porkens and NN to not be in the game on day 2"

[Cephrir]

that's why we think this action exists and are looking for an explanation as to where it came from. we know exactly who they targeted and when.

[Cephrir]

It's possible. We don't know. Removing Porkens at that time seems a bit scum motivated, as he was under some suspicion and was scum.

[Cephrir]

Well, from your POV that's likely, yes, simply because there's almost no way bee or I could've done it.

It's not a huge factor in my thoughts today, really, but now is the time to pay attention to every detail.

[Cephrir]

vla through tuesday due to survivormeet

[Cephrir]

Playing mafia with your head is using all of the information at your disposal. It's not emotional to analyze behavior rather than just votes. Combine all the information and vote accordingly.

I don't claim to understand what you do but if you're town here I very much look forward to rubbing it in your face that this is yet another example of vca being hot garbage in action. But I know that no amount of counterexamples will ever change you wagon coloring types.

If you have any questions for me about why I did things you can ask
If you want to pretend vca is hard data and nothing else matters I have nothing to say to you
If you're scum then lol idc

[Cephrir]

I am still traveling and won't really be back until tomorrow.

[Cephrir]

Hi guys

Some or all of my role hints that random flavor claims may not be a good idea. If we could all keep our shit to ourselves for once, that would be swell.

VOTE: hebichan just because.

How does this match with your JOAT claim?

It is the enabler part. I didn't want Pearl to get outed since she was enabling me, and I also thought there might be other situations like mine in the game.

[Cephrir]

I've reviewed all his posts with more care and would like to withdraw that townread and express the opposite. I didn't go back to the beginning of the game before posting.

I liked him playing around, but the fact that he went from "QL assemble" to voting porkens, then calling for more votes on porkens, then calling his own vote rvs makes for a rather odd trajectory.

Explain how you hard defended the Porkens slot who flipped scum when people commonly flip votes in RVS.

Hard defended? This post isn't a defense of porkens it's expressing suspicion on bee.

[Cephrir]

At least to me -- whether there are other things like my role floating around I can't be sure.

This reads like you’re trying to goad people into flavor claiming.

Which makes sense as Porkens was AFK day two and so the last scum would have to seem townie.

And the fact Lucky2u flipped enabled by Spongebob dead and tried to frame me for that.

I think the only reason you bussed yesterday was to try to set yourself up for lylo.

How’s that for “vca”?

Again, I was doing everything I could to prevent flavor claims at that point.

I mean sure, I probably do bus there if I'm scum, but what of it? I was widely suspected going into yesterday, so why would I make that Tywin kill and sacrifice Lucky? That'd put me on a path to lose the game.

Actually it's great, I can engage with this.

[Cephrir]

I would like to remind everyone that

Explicitly not guaranteed to be balanced - There might be 3 Spongebobs just so I can watch you all CC each other all day

Massclaim?

Stop.

ScareD?

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This exchange is also super interesting.

Good point that does make me look town ????

[Cephrir]

It makes it look like you’re a scum traitor looking in or one of the two of you is a traitor.

Porkens wrote in 224 ScareD? The SD are capitalized. SD is the abbreviation of Sunlit Diamond.

OK, I didn't notice that and it's pretty weird, but if I were a traitor the game would be over wouldn't it? It also makes no sense balance wise.

[Cephrir]

Plankton

Oink

Furthermore here looks like another hand off like Yep I got you. You’re a fellow piggy.

You know, at the time I think I thought this post was a Plankton breadcrumb, and then I completely forgot about it.

[Cephrir]

Because Lucky was widely suspected and you’d need the cred.

You’d expect me to die from targeting you until I targeted Yarr because I feared the extra kill and this Yarr became the safer play.

You probably wanted an Alisae’s French Maid Yarr and you lylo where you could have wifom’d my death to mislynch Alisae’s French Maid.

I lose that scenario 100% of the time. Yarr wouldn't have switched. They have been adamant about AFM town.

[Cephrir]

For that reason, if I'm scum here I would have nokilled, because I lose if you do anything but (foolishly) target yar.

[Cephrir]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

VOTE: Alisaes French Maid

[Cephrir]

huzzah!

i would be fine with recounting parts of the scum qt for the curious, there was some stuff in there that should stay there tho.

[Cephrir]

I stand by that VCA sucks