Mini 1992 - One-Shot Mafia - GAME OVER

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SUP BITCHES

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cool i got one of those good good green bois in my PM

time to reread 9 pages

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first off, def thought i got in originally and was getting pissed off wondering why i hadnt gotten a PM yet

second off,
hi sir bastion! long time no see. how mad are you at pulling a scum PM?

ari is town for now for tone

is bambi a hydra or alt or something? i need it to die i think

alisae is...idk ill figure it out later.

mollie is town as fuck imo. either that or a time apart has made me really bad and susceptible to her feminine wiles (long time no see girlfriend, glad to see you back)

UT goddammit one of these days you will actually pull a town PM in the same game as me and we will be able to make sweet love. alas, this is not that game. and actually every game we've played in the past like 2 years you've been scum in you have rolled me so idk if i can even take that chance again.

GuyInFreezer is probably actually fuck I don't even know. i want to say...serial killer.

lovebird can die i guess, not impressed so far

majiffy's catchup post made me, to use his words, gag a little in my mouth. quote striping with banter, UGH

luv the kokichi spamquotes instead of using multiquote tho

penguin used the dabemoji so he gets a passed

VOTE: Bambi
god save the greens [and also the blue]

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okay so

townbin

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mollie
ari
kokichi
penguin

scumbin

:
sir bastion
lovebird
majiffy
bambi
UT

nullbin

:
guyinfreezer
notmafia (post more)
alisae

confidence level on these reads: 9.7%

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@Bambi: I didn't even say why I wanted you dead, that's a real overdefensive post there champ

yeah i feel like i can sort UT later eventually if he doesn't kill me first so

@UT

please refrain from NKing me so i can get a chance to read you, thanks

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@Alisae: because i have no idea how to read you or what your tone means
half of your posts are jokes, the other half are empty reads about feelings with no reasons, i think your "case" on GIF not looking at the gamethread being a scumtell is bananalogic, i think your read on majiffy is probably right

all in all it's a wash for me, ill sort you later

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"I need it to die I think" isn't saying you want me dead? Forgive the confusion.

i did say that

and i did vote you

your response to that was to get overly defensive and ASSUME the reasons i am voting for you

I have done nothing to you, LSG dude.

I wasn't even the one who started the main wagons on them. Ari and Penguin did. Unipod went for me as the weakest link.

like i dont know what youre responding to here bc i didnt address any of this

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UT and i are IRL friends who hang out frequently and cohost a podcast together and mod games together and live like 45 minutes from each other, and there's a painful history of UT constantly rolling me or trolling me in games together during my last active period on the site, so no, it's not faked. ask UT

yes you got me, i dont actually believe GIF is a serial killer, very good, you've found my totally real and not at all a joke read and called it out for being fake

saying lovebird is town has literally no effect on me because i dont care about emptyreads

bambi i want to die for NAI reasons (i dont really like anime avatar players or players that unironically use "Senpai" or unironically say "have you no shame, sire" or are obvious alts that are trying too hard)
those reasons wont hold up when either
a) they give me a reason to town read them
b) other things happen to move my vote elsewhere

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Reck if you feel like being a dick I'm just going to leave.
I would address what you're saying now but I'm just
not in the mood.
Sorry.

sigh

I'll get to it when I'm feeling better.

what part of my post seems like i think you're being a dick

reck are you seriously going to scumread me then vote for my preferred lynch

I mean wtf dude

yeah because i want the "rub it in your face" points later if youre scum to say i called it in my first post just in case you roll me again and i can blame it on other people
plus like im 90% sure i can just sort you out later

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UT what's your 1-shot power bud

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mollie read me

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Alisae's scumread on my slot is due to the replace out?

Not according to the post made on this very page

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i did, but alisae also made a case against me on the last page, which seems more relevant to the current state as to why ali's vote is on me

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Okay, great, we're on the same page.
What do you think of Alisae's post about why I'm scummy, and how does that affect your read on Alisae?

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his first post is a timezone/availability check in which is bizarre to me and just empty content meant to look helpful
his RVS vote looks like he's trying too hard to appear lighthearted which IMO comes from nervous RVS scum

he has a few posts that are just irrelevant to the game and are more lighthearted "oooh hey arent i a fun dude!!!" posts

he asks about site meta a few times in lieu of actual reads/pushes/content

the vote on bambi comes at an opportunistic spot on the wagon [while he completely ignores the 5 person UT wagon] and after at least 1 or 2 others had already lightly thrown shade at bambi

This early, that's enough to get put in the scumbin

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so reck voted bambi since this vc

over ut, whom he thinks looks like scum.

votes are tied, yeah?

context:

@Bambi: I didn't even say why I wanted you dead, that's a real overdefensive post there champ

yeah i feel like i can sort UT later eventually if he doesn't kill me first so

@UT

please refrain from NKing me so i can get a chance to read you, thanks

Reck if you feel like being a dick I'm just going to leave.
I would address what you're saying now but I'm just
not in the mood.
Sorry.

sigh

I'll get to it when I'm feeling better.

what part of my post seems like i think you're being a dick

reck are you seriously going to scumread me then vote for my preferred lynch

I mean wtf dude

yeah because i want the "rub it in your face" points later if youre scum to say i called it in my first post just in case you roll me again and i can blame it on other people
plus like im 90% sure i can just sort you out later

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alisae i am not gonna quote war you but:

I can't really do anything to make you feel like something isn't faked, because it's not.
"It's faked and not coming from town" isn't something I can work with.
"Lovebird is town because...their approach to this whole game and I feel like a lot of their posts are coming from town" isn't something I can work with.
"I hate the justification you're providing for Bambi even if its NAI" is like, okay, I already said it was NAI and likely to move later after things heat up.
"The feeling 223 gave me just seems like the whole post was halfassed" one, halfassing something is NAI and town can be lazy too because, two, it was half assed and it was me stream of conscious style posting my thoughts as i skimmed the first 9 pages
"this pings me as scummy on a gut level" isn't something I can work with.
"This friendlyness doesn't sit right with me" isn't something I can work with

Imma just ask you real quick to like, actually explain a read at some point instead of going "herpaderp THE FEELS"

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@UT please refrain from NKing me so i can get a chance to read you, thanks

you help me bus my buddy Bambi and I'll bring you all the way to LYLO

do you see where my fucking vote is

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yes it does thank you mollie

im town, idk about ut but we'll figure that out later

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i have no experience with bambi

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@koki: you, penguin, bambi, & alisae all have weeby avatars but bambi's the only one i have nothing else to go on and btw way to ignore the other NAI reasons I listed along with it

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koki's town btw, scum don't look a gift townread in the mouth d1 this early

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How can I convince you I'm town when your already deadset on me being scum? Pushing more for you is apparently bussing because your trying to get me hung and WIFOM everyone to never push you after today.

Know what? Now that's just showing your true colors. You'll get me to L-1 and call my role bullshit even if my role has a lot of power for town. Someone here already asked for your role. I will be looking for scum elsewhere when you give me your role and fricken give straight answers too.

And currently I'm leaning scum on Not_Mafia for bailing out right now while Tripod takes center stage to not have any connections to him. And if Tripod is scum then I'm personally betting on Reck being town.

What's your read on Majiffy?

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I think bambietta is town.

How? They've outed like 1 read.

this shtick is bad

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sorry that was rude

more that can you hide those behind spoilers or something

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okay nwo that im outta that ffxiv raid it's time to do the real wagon for the day, boys & girls

VOTE: Majiffy

CHOOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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what's the point of having a nullread hammer btw

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That's weird timing, reck.

i am very sorry my raid group couldn't MOTHERFUCKING KILL KEFKA quick enough for me to come in and swap my vote to majiffy in a time period that you feel is adequate; i will pass along your feedback

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im going to fucking barf

can scum please kill koki please

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im going to fucking barf

can scum please kill koki please

The He-Man meme dude wants anime to die. Why must you be this way?

anime is a sin

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That's weird timing, reck.

i am very sorry my raid group couldn't MOTHERFUCKING KILL KEFKA quick enough for me to come in and swap my vote to majiffy in a time period that you feel is adequate; i will pass along your feedback

Just seems weird that right after a few other people switch their votes, that's when you switch to your real vote. Not entirely sure what it means.

Also, I like the image thing.

So many preview edits. I thought I posted too much.

i actually wanted to switch my vote when i refreshed the thread while waiting on a rez in my game
i saw all the way to the bottom of page 13 where mollie was talking about hammering and was like "ok gonna change my asap in a bit this is too easy"

unvote

I want the hammer

I want it so bad I can taste it

Why the hell would you, someone who's so scumread right now it hurts, want to be the guy town trusts with another night action?

At this rate if you ARE town your not getting shot so the ability won't go to waste sure, but please let someone else have it.

shh adults are talking

... I am NOT moving my vote from you today.

ok hi you're town
But can you cooperate with me?
I want you to calm down and unvote UT.

walk me through how this blatant AtE is a towntell please and thank you

Reck, Bambi, UT has at least 1 scum I think. Those are my 3 biggest scum reads.

yeah this is probably true

I've played with Not_mafia a few times (once on MU), the only time he's not voted/mislynched me, he's been scum. Weird he hasn't outed a read on me yet.

he hasnt outed a read on anyone

A. First off, he's town mostly because I feel like his attitude is probably coming from town. Especially from 349

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that should be

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Reck its moreso I think the AtE is genuine and is coming from town.

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VOTE: ut

will you please join me on majiffy first

UT may well be scum but i want to play with him for a day and also i can figure that out later

but majiffy??? comeon you can read him, look at his post

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Reck its moreso I think the AtE is genuine and is coming from town.

I'm blanking out and am very confused as to how to actually go deeper then that.

what about it makes it genuine vs non genuine and what makes it come from town vs not town

I'm not that subtle appearantly, getting called out by other people in my previous game with this alt as well.

Reck was seriously nicer when I was using my main. This is disheartening.

have i played with you on your main?
im being fairly nice here, im having a good time

also

UNVOTE: ut

mollie please tell me all about majiffy and your read on him

you will actually pull a town PM in the same game as me

this felt really super cute of you reck

are you scumclaiming to me

are you

only if you're scumclaiming to me babe

p.edit: YASS mollie queen

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I feel like their responses to UT are coming from frustrated town over frustrated scum.

why

just staple this to my face so i can look in alisae's direction every time er posts

(btw alisae i just googled to figure out the correct usage of e/eir pronouns so correct me if im doing it wrong)

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only if you're scumclaiming to me babe

remember that other game that we played that one time

where mollie derped around and we yelled at her the whole game and got a perfect victory and it was incredible

this might be That Game 2.0

I've got MS Paint running and waiting to make bad images you just say the word

oh baby, you mean the game where i had to use CSI skills to help mollie understand a claim?
the same game where we had to make a colorful diagram bc nobody knew what "flavor" was?

yeah this isn't that game but i really appreciate your shot at buttering my biscuit

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fuck i still have the christmas avatar on hold on

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there, now i fit in

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it's very weeb sorry

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futaba and makoto both suck sorry
takemi/hifumi 4 life

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Can someone explain the majiffy votes? Hasn't he made like 2 posts

you just partially explained it. proud of you
and it looks like alisae came along and explained it more anyway

while I put ut and reck first on my town list, they are weakest townreads yo

"most likely town" is weaker than "likely town" lol okay mollie

aww r u mad u wont be able to skate ur way to scumwin this time ?

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will, tell me why I should vote for Majiffy right now and I would appreciate it in the form of a gif

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Did I just get fucking hammered while catching up?

This is why I hate playing on this fucking site. Good fucking lord. The game thread has been open for like 4 fucking days.

this is a scumclaim reaction to the hammer i think?

wondering if he read GIF's doublevote as true

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jiffy doesn't really have any salient points on me or if he does then they're obfuscated to the point where im an idiot and cant understand them so if he really wants to push me as scum he should just do it

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i did but i was skimming fast to see if the mod had closed the thread yet so i didnt really give it the time of day

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If Majiffy is town that's a scum claim from GiF

my gut reaction to this was "wtf no it isn't, it's town as heck to use the double vote on D1 instead of holding onto it for later"

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i did but i was skimming fast to see if the mod had closed the thread yet so i didnt really give it the time of day

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because if he really believed he got hammered i would expect him to shit all over town for mislynching

but instead it reeks of "god im so angry i got hammered in a bullshit way and couldn't worm my way out of it"

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yeah let's drop that

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If Majiffy is town that's a scum claim from GiF

my gut reaction to this was "wtf no it isn't, it's town as heck to use the double vote on D1 instead of holding onto it for later"

koki thoughts?

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because scum could use it in lylo to guarantee a scum win
or mylo whatever

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not from where im from

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mollie why aren't you on majiffy anymore

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[X] Have the partner you are bussing distance from you particularly by fos'ing them (IE Majiffy scumreads Reck and Reck is hardpushing Majiffy. Not to mention a lot of how Majiffy is pushing Reck, makes me think that it is scum distancing from each other)

Majiffy's post does NOT read like someone who has been informed via mafia PT that there's a bus happening. What about it makes you think that?

[X] Hard commitment to the push. (When you hardbus, you can't suddenly get off, you have to commit to the bus. And a lot of how Reck is pushing Majiffy comes across like a bus. This especially shows when it comes to his reaction to Majiffy's recent posting)

What about Majiffy's reaction was town to you, because I don't think you're going to say with a straight face that it was a town reaction, and I think the people reading it as NAI or town are way more suspicious than me driving home this wagon of righteousness

[X] The timing works as a bus and because of that, it nets Reck cred (Remember the Bambi wagon had just died down. Scum!Reck could have just continued to try to push Bambi, however when it comes to the late game, it wouldn't get him that far. BUT if he pushes Majiffy here, he can potentially try to get bus cred that will help him out for the late game)

"The timing works as a bus" okay??? I have no way to speak to a hypothetical argument that is based purely in moonbeams theoretical land. I literally said SINCE THE START OF THE GAME i had no intentions of keeping my vote on Bambi and it was just there for temporary

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Everyone else is kinda just supporting us or doing nothing.
There isn't anyone really objecting to the current gamestate.
I feel like this means either
A. Scum are perfectly happy with the Majiffy lynch and its actually town (lol I don't think this is happening) or
B. Scum would benefit from a bus here.

What's that behind Door Number Three???

Iiiiiiiiiiit's... scum are trying to reroute the Majiffy lynch!!

If Majiffy is scum I'm WAY more confident that scum are sitting on the edges and hoping more people like mollie pump the brakes on the wagon than I am that scum are lolbussing with so many viable alternatives

I don't know why this very logical, real scenario doesn't sit right with you

like we literally just finished playing the Valentine's Dance game where EVERY SINGLE PERSON PUSHING SOMEONE HARD WAS TOWN at the beginning, and all three scum stuck to the edges and just let town eat each other. I'm actually having a really hard time believing you're so convinced this can't be happening here when it literally just happened?

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also lovebird only calling out townreads instead of scumreads is a red flag because it's way easier for scum to just call people town than commit to a push

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only calling out townreads instead of scumreads is a red flag because it's way easier for scum to just call people town than commit to a push

But this is like
my townplay in a nutshell

then you play like scum and i will probably wind up voting you for it eventually

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I'm hopping in an Uber, once I'm back on my laptop I'll look harder at the people hemming and hawwing over the majiffy lynch

no it's not and that's not even the point. the point is that scum know who town are so are predispositioned to see everything as town motivated, making their natural course to be to call things town instead of scummy. it's not strategic, it's just the natural course of action.

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I'm out of town today running a focus group, I'll look more at the Majiffy resistance when I'm back home (I'm getting home after midnight tonight so it may be tomorrow)

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bambi i want to die for NAI reasons (i dont really like anime avatar players

Yet you have me in your town pile? Thanks for admitting that reads list was made up.

VOTE: Reck

other than you saying that reck/bambi/ut are your scumspects, this is the only post you have made about why you want to lynch reck.

has your read developed in any way?

I don't like any of their posts, and their posts just lacking anything. I was recently in a game that just finished with them, and it just seems different. (They were town there)

1. why don't you like my posts
2. define anything
3. how does this feel different than valentine's dance
3b. meta is trash

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I've already said why I think you're scum. I don't think you had a real reason to move your vote to raya after the replace out. I don't think your majiffy read and the strength of it was justified based on what he had posted so far. Your confidence in your reads is demonstrably either fake or not actually very confident.

I'm not claiming any pretense of having anything confirmed here. Just that this is a direction I want to go in. I've been trying to figure you out better for a while but you seem to dodge or deflect my questions frequently, and then people scumread me for apparently being aimless.

wait so dont you think im scum too??

yet youre reading alisae as scum for moving her vote onto my slot after the replace out?

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how about fuckin someone posts a goddamn substantive reason they think im scum instead of being all OOOOH WEEEEEEEE MY FEEEEEEELINGS

i just got back from 6 hours in the car and im drinking wine, let's rumble till i collapse in exhaustion

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i love being town and having baddies come @ me with shit cases

(shoutout to chesskid if he ever stumbles across this)

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Fair enough.

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i just want not mafia to contribute

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i hate meta and think it's trash but if someone is going to use it on me (especially in a game that was completed less than 24 hours ago) im going to engage it if it's specifically about me bc it's probably wrong

and overall i hate this "ooooooohhhh well this FEEEEELS different" bullshit. grow up, put some words behind your actions

mollie why are you voting me anyway

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Sometimes there aren't words behind a feeling.

then that feeling sucks and you need to figure out how to put words behind them

when literally your only thing against someone is "feels bad man" then it's time to fucking reevaluate

Because I feel weird about a lot of Reck's posts in general. Should I just quote them?

he is calling your meta case bs

there is no meta case
there's no case

there's a statement of "idk kinda like maybe feels diff than last game idk how idk lol feelings am i right"

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Also, feels like gif is one of those scum who doesn't really do a lot but people ignore them anyways.

why

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why is the majiffy vote scummy

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I mean, I thought Majiffy was v scummy at that point. And so did like half the game who put him to L-1.
Why specifically highlight those few players

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I mean, I thought Majiffy was v scummy at that point. And so did like half the game who put him to L-1.
Why specifically highlight those few players

They stand out as not really saying anything about majiffy but still voting there.

Why was majiffy scummy there to you?

1. his catchup post was scummy. it read like it was building towards a predefined conclusion rather than actually trying to sort anything out or give any reads. and half of it was like jokes or potshots in lieu of reads
2. his reaction to the fakehammer solidified the read more than anything

it wld be nice, to have a walk-through

His posts aren't as indepth as they were during that game. Point in case here:

yes, that post I made in that game, where 15-20 pages were being added in between my check-ins, and required me to constantly post giant catchup walls to make sure i didn't miss anything

this game is moving at a snail's pace by comparison, allowing me to post a more leisurely rate

context!!!!

okay so

townbin

:
mollie
ari
kokichi
penguin

scumbin

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sir bastion
lovebird
majiffy
bambi
UT

nullbin

:
guyinfreezer
notmafia (post more)
alisae

confidence level on these reads: 9.7%

This post is just throwing names together, and trying to hide behind the 9.7 thing so it looks like he is actually giving reads when he isn't.

yes, correct. i was, in fact, throwing people together in a list to try and have a starting point rather than locking my reads after one catchup skim of 10 pages on day one of the game

you've successfully explained what i did, now explain why it was scummy

Makes this post but then contradicts himself not too much later.

scumbin:

sir bastion
lovebird
majiffy
bambi

UT

yes it does thank you mollie

im town,

idk about ut but we'll figure that out later

Which also gives me vibes about him and UT, which I don't know how to take right now.

i don't know about UT
he's in the scum bin because i have a scum lean on him

do you think every single person i put in one of those bins is a 100% lock solid read that i have confidence in? no. it means im leaning a certain way on them ranging from "slight lean" to "feel p good about this"

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Sometimes there aren't words behind a feeling.

then that feeling sucks and you need to figure out how to put words behind them

when literally your only thing against someone is "feels bad man" then it's time to fucking reevaluate

Because I feel weird about a lot of Reck's posts in general. Should I just quote them?

he is calling your meta case bs

there is no meta case
there's no case

there's a statement of "idk kinda like maybe feels diff than last game idk how idk lol feelings am i right"

then why are you not going after kokichi?

she made 1 post about why she wants to lynch you

because I don't think Kokichi randomly enters the game and starts going after me for putting her in my town pile
i literally already explained this

koki's town btw, scum don't look a gift townread in the mouth d1 this early

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i don't know about UT
he's in the scum bin because i have a scum lean on him

do you think every single person i put in one of those bins is a 100% lock solid read that i have confidence in? no. it means im leaning a certain way on them ranging from "slight lean" to "feel p good about this"

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define genuine

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because i did literally the exact same thing last game where i entered the game and listed a baseline for reads to start building on and everyone threw the same shit at me then and i think im misunderstanding what people mean by genuine

p.edit: I still think mollie's town, and I think you're town too, so can we all stop please

mollie is trying to egg me on to get a reaction out of me so she can read me better
she doesn't actually think im scum

p.edit 2: okay, then yeah, you're wrong. it was genuine. it was honest, truthful, straightforward. does it mean im confident on that?? no. i even said i wasn't. i like to give myself a starting point to look at and build from there. if by "not genuine" you mean "he didn't have full conviction of his reads", then yes, you'd be correct, but that isn't scum motivated

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I feel it's a fake reads list just to show you have been "keeping up with the game."

i was CATCHING UP on the game as a replacement and giving myself a "okay here's where we are on page 9" barometer

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First post in a game not adding much on page 6 of a large that was still effectively in RVS

Shocker

do you mean this???

I didnt care. it was meta and i sorta sympathized with majiffy's dismissal of it because meta is trash

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uhh that was him responding to alisae comparing his play in this game to his play in another game aka meta and he was pointing out why the meta was stupid because it was a completely different game type

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hmmm.

I read it as a meta argument.

I dunno. I think it's null?
What do you think about it?

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Reck don't you find it weird Molle wants you lynched despite pushing on my read on you and trying to keep saying that she wanted to sort me?

Again, I don't think mollie actually scum reads me. I think she's being cute and is pushing us both to get a better read on us.

(bit of history: mollie lived on my couch for like 6 months or something on the weekends while she commuted to work. we played a fuckload of mafia during that time so i feel like this isn't just meta but knowing her as a person IRL and as a close personal friend)

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@mollie: Do you actually scumread me and/or Koki?

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choo choo, lynches away

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im still confident on him being scum and his /out isnt doing the slot any favors, so yeah, let's go

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Welp.

Unless you all want to wake up tomorrow to +25 pages, that probably needs to be lynched on policy (not to mention Majiffy's scumminess before)

Mulch, if your slot is actually town and we're mistaken on Majiffy, I *HIGHLY* recommend you not spam

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unvote

want to see what mulch does

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uhhh im not really convinced by "im town and this person made a case against me so they're scum for it"

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Mulch isn't town and he can make people magically townread him because he's good at scum.
I don't think I care anymore, my moral to try to fight him is kinda destroyed anyways.

I kind of believe this but I want to know more.

Don't explain things away as "magic"

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or maybe my ego isn't letting me stop scumreading jiffy

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Alisae as town is much more jokey. i've never seen them try and form a town core as town before but I'm sure they've done it. But not in any game I've played with them. They joke and make reads based on meta and subtle things. Like, things that are noticeable and make me go "alisae is town." I can usually lock them as town. As scum they do an aggresive playful pocketing that's similar to this game for sure. They are noticeably trying to gain towncred more as scum. Beyond that they are very smart as town, smart enough not to push on me day 1 for "fluff posting" - or my predecessor. And they definitely do NOT try to read me when they are town. Countless games they've said they can't read me and that they would never try to read me day 1. The fact that they are saying that this is my scum meta, let alone scumreading me, LET ALONE every single other part of their play that points to their scum meta, is near a scumclaim in itself.

This is all meta, so, it's really not having any effect on me.

I appreciate you switching up your style. It means I can actually read your posts. But, when your posts are mostly "but...meta!" I don't really care that much.

The crux of your push onto Alisae seems to be that they were pushing your slot for being too fluffy? And like, I did that, too. And several others picked up on it. So I don't know why Alisae doing it is so unbelievable?

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Oh also daily reminder that bambi is town. kthx.

Why?

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Want to hear more on his reads. We agree on a lot and it makes me suspicious but I'm also a weird choice to pocket. Also just don't think the ari lynch is very good right now.

Uhhhh what?

Where in the great green fuck has Mulch tried to pocket you?

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I think alisae and mulch are tvting rn and ironically it is neither are acting exactly as the other expects them to.

I think guy is town mebbe

also, what a strong stance to take. let's peel that onion a little more yeah?

bambi's flail looks like town fail to me.

also, what flail? specifics.

not mafia is intriguing. we haven't played a whole of a lot I don't think, but I think for the first time I am actually feeling his presence in a game. I like it.

you're gonna have to explain this one because i keep forgetting NM is even in the game

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So if you saw UC Voyager lurking would you say "wow, he must be scum?"

No. Because of meta.

yes, i would, because all meta does is encourage shitty play by allowing loopholes for people to jump through

REck:

1) Can you answer my questions from before
2) If you don't believe in meta, why did you say you "kinda" believed Alisae when theys said that I was scum purely on meta

1) can you point out which questions
2) im not sure exactly which instance you're referencing. but i will say that to me, alisae's point against you where they said "mulch is able to magically seem town when they're scum" isn't so much speaking to meta so much as it is speaking to your ability as a player.

Want to hear more on his reads. We agree on a lot and it makes me suspicious but I'm also a weird choice to pocket. Also just don't think the ari lynch is very good right now.

Uhhhh what?

Where in the great green fuck has Mulch tried to pocket you?

It would be indirectly, I guess. Agreeing with my reads and backing up the thing I've been most vocal about that nobody else sees.

I don't know, I think "Pocket" or "Buddy" tends to imply a proactive effort to reach out to you, specifically. And I can't see where he did that.

Ari your the top wagon

GAH!

I'll do this soon. Wagon is probably because I haven't done shit and like, I at least pop in as scum. I have not even done that so...

this feels fake bc ari would've seen ali's previous post in the post preview before making this post

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if i saw a post that was like "YO WTF YOU ARE UNDER PRESSURE" then id be editing something into my post immediately to make sure i wasn't getting hammered or something

you took the time to post. then went and crafted a separate reaction post

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What if I lolhammered

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Dammit if I had remembered you get the ability for hammering I would've done it

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there is likely a 0% chance i get shot tonight since scum have seen how much push there is for me around the edges. i should get the hammer

koki is a very possible kill target with how many people are scumreading her

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actually...it might be best to not claim.

all it does is give scum information to decide whether or not to kill the person who hammers

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like usually you wait for claim because if it's a strong power role you want it to stay in the game
but the mechanics here allow for it to stay in the game anyway

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koki is a very possible kill target with how many people are scumreading her

Why would I be killed if people are scum reading me?

meant to say townreading you

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there is likely a 0% chance i get shot tonight since scum have seen how much push there is for me around the edges. i should get the hammer

koki is a very possible kill target with how many people are scumreading her

Oh hell no

Also, another important reminder.

Not_Mafia has a history of lolhammering things. In attempt to combat this, if you reach L-2, you are claiming at L-2. Once you claimed, we're not going to lynch right away. We are going to discuss and come to agreement on who we want to hammer and why. From there, we'll try to sync up a time where we can hammer as quickly as possible to attempt to avoid A. Scum selfhammers or B. other Lolhammers

This is moreso very important for me and I want this, so please respect my wish here.

And with that said, if there's more important Town Glueing stuff I need to do, I'll come in and post it.
But other then that, I'm off to go play Quake.
Later.

yeah, i mean, cool post and all but i literally forgot this mechanic
im currently designing another "all one shot" game that doesn't have that mechanic so ive kinda been on autopilot

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actually...it might be best to not claim.

all it does is give scum information to decide whether or not to kill the person who hammers

*cough*

there is a reason I asked

this was a lifetime ago before i even started playing

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@all players If you have a restriction on your ability to use your 1 shot when you hammer like me and Not_Mafia then both Bambi and Kokkichi have outted themselves as scum.

i dont even understand what you're saying
mine has nothing about hammers in it

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i will say the perma-watcher is fuckin BUCK WILD considering how weak sauce my 1-shot is

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"My ability is worse so let's kill Bambi" - Reck, NotMaf and Mulch.

am i voting you?
have i been voting you?
have i been pushing for you to die?

how about dial down the persecution complex

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can we railroad this lynch through now just to piss off Alisae please

dont tempt me

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there is likely a 0% chance i get shot tonight since scum have seen how much push there is for me around the edges. i should get the hammer

koki is a very possible kill target with how many people are scumreading her

LOLOLOL

WHO IS SCUMREADING KOKI BESIDES ME

NO WAY SHLD TOWN LET YOU GET THE HAMMER LIKE NO

i literally said and clarified a few posts later I meant "townreading"
why would scum kill someone who is scumread anyway?
the whole context of the post is "koki could die"
use your brain mollie

there is likely a 0% chance i get shot tonight since scum have seen how much push there is for me around the edges. i should get the hammer

koki is a very possible kill target with how many people are scumreading her

Oh hell no

mindmeld

alisae was "oh hell no"ing me about something different
not a mindmeld
i implore you to use big girl brains and figure it out

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"My ability is worse so let's kill Bambi" - Reck, NotMaf and Mulch.

am i voting you?
have i been voting you?
have i been pushing for you to die?

how about dial down the persecution complex

I am pretty sure you have been pushing for her to get lynched

uhhh if you're talking about way early game when i said it was a joke vote and then i went and voted majiffy for reals? then yes
i have not, since unvoting bambi, pushed for a bambi lynch

get your facts straight?

I am not going to speak for alisae, but I am pretty sure I know what he meant given the post he made afterwards. he doesn't want you to have the hammer or koki and I agree, hence why I said mindmeld.

no, alisae was saying that bc alisae had already explained the hammer thing previously and didnt believe i hadnt read up on it
that was my interpretation

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cmon gimme the hammer and let me absorb that sweet sweet scum ability and force them to kill me muehehe

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When the fuck did I ask you to go on Bambi with me

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Mollie it really pisses me off to deal with you when you're so wrong and yet so convinced of yourself

Like..why do you even think it's me

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Reck is half right, I explained how we approach the hammer and I wanted that to respected.
He's also wrong in that I don't want him to have a hammer like, ever

Yes but mollies post is specifically about your reaction which was about how we approach it

If I can show her she's misreading shit she might be open to actually trying to read me properly

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Mollie it really pisses me off to deal with you when you're so wrong and yet so convinced of yourself

Like..why do you even think it's me

I looked it up but I am not really gonna dig for it. I am not scumreading you for that.

I am not convinced I am right! don't put words in my mouth

I think you are scum based a feewing but I am not super confident in it. I have outgrown the stage where I try to shove my reads down other pple's throats. you act like my read on you is static and not subject to change. you shld know me better than that. so chill.

we're on page fucking 40something at the end of day one
probably time to stop relying on feelings & have, like, actual examples for your reads

I think it is much better if she claims.

bambi already claimed wtf

Reck is half right, I explained how we approach the hammer and I wanted that to respected.
He's also wrong in that I don't want him to have a hammer like, ever

Yes but mollies post is specifically about your reaction which was about how we approach it

If I can show her she's misreading shit she might be open to actually trying to read me properly

I AM!

1 of the reasons I am willing to compromise. a scum flip from bambi wld make you an IC in my eyes

so the person i basically defended half the day other than a jokey fake push early game flipping scum means i am IC???

in what world

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reck this is exactly what I wanted avoid and which I am willing to give you a day,

what part of this are you not understanding

I am really really tired, it has been a very long time since I have played on ms. I will likely be better after today, but I didn't realize how exhausted I was until this evening when I am ready to go to bed at 8:00. I will probs be up for a while still tho.

if my read is based on a feeling then I am not exactly going to be able to give an example, yeah? so stop giving me shit for it.

yeah, I think scum!bambi wld make you town to me, I am not sure why you are having a problem with that.

this is how tired. and. distracted. I. am. I was doing something else when she claimed, I did not put it on my spreadsheet yet. my head is not fully in the game.

I forgot how freaking long the days are on this site.

my reads are my reads and that is where I am at rn. they are subject to change. rn I really wanna a flip more than anything rn. it wld give me something besides "feelings" to work from.

like I said. it will get better after today altho I will still be somewhat distracted, just not nearly as bad. I am going back to school, I am trying to get in 3 different programs, so there is a lot I am having to do. I do apologize for not being fully present. i will try to get some isos and rereading done hopefully tomorrow.

can you just accept this for now and move on? that wld be great.

flips flips flips. I need flips. flips will tell me a lot.

Towny

thanks for joining the party

@mollie: Fine, but tomorrow this "oooo my feelings" thing isn't gonna fly with me because you're better than that and i know this

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lmfao i hope that's real that's amazing

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uh why

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VOTE: Untrod Tripod

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:3

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That feels very mean.
What if, instead, we VOTE: Aristophanes.

Would also be willing to hammer Bambi

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is Ari not in this game?

I would understand if you forgot about him, due to his:
- 4% of the total posts
- lack of any post above 3 sentences
- complete lack of content
- lurking
- really bad vote on alisae early game post-rvs when alisae was jumping on majiffy
- taking until the 25th of his 52 posts to actually give a read on anyone
- taking until the 44th of his 52 posts to actually ask a question of someone and try to scumhunt

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I mean, sure.
I guess.

I think it's really fucking stupid to give mollie the power though bc she's a high priority kill target if she's town.
also there are only 4 votes on bambi right now so i can't even put bambi in claim range.

p.edit: okay, that's 5 on bambi. so we'd still need another hammerer online

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i meant lynch range.
not good with words today.

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@PP will you vote bambi please so we can get this over with

not even i believe my own case on ari. he's inactive everywhere not just this game so i think his activity is NAI which is basically 95% of the case i just made on him

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oh good bambi lied
bagged a scum gj everyone

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i for one cant wait for alisae to froth wildly at the mouth to get me lynched tomorrow

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man if me/you/mollie are actually all town what a fucking legendary game this will be

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still not sure about you though because you would 100% powerbus the anime avatar newbie d1 for mad cred just to pocket me so you can talk shit about it later when im drunk

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I feel like reck is scum

It also makes me happy that I feel like reck is scum

we're now in D1 twilight
the time for feelings instead of reasonings is over

Reck let me tickly your fantasy.

what if all scum members have anime avatars...

wont you enjoy lynching them.

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Yeah that's the obvious kill.

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Yeah that's the obvious kill.

Why was that the obvious kill?

Because over half the game thought Alisae was town. And I think you obviously include them in the kill list if you are trying to take out someone that will never be lynched.

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so which one of you edgelords was so confident they could get me lynched that they killed motherfucking Alisae over me

was it you Reck

was it

hell no lmfao i would've shot the fuck out of you just like you would've shot the fuck out of me

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I think I want to lynch one of Ari/GIF/Lovebird/Kokichi today.

I think it's REALLY unlikely both scum bussed Bambietta yesterday, and this is a smaller pool to hunt from.

Interesting bits from Alisae:
Ari: called him town on meta, defending PP pushing him as scum. wanted him to hammer bambi (possibly). eventually moved ari to "ride or die town circle". later on said "ill go bambi or ari" for votes??? no idea why. then voted ari. later moved him back to townpile.

GIF: last post was coming around on GIF after being suspicious of him most of the day

Lovebird: started out saying lovebird was probtown, wound up being very wishy-washy on LB's alignment

Kokichi: eventually read koki as town and then fake dayvigged koki. idk

based purely on Alisae's reads, I could see Lovebird > GIF > Koki being the most likely to make that kill.

obviously, more goes into this than the dead's reads. it could've been someone familiar with meta. it could've been someone scared of alisae. it could've been someone wanting to WIFOM the kill.

in any case, this is a good start:

VOTE: Lovebird

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i think i quite fucking literally explained why in that post

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I think I want to lynch one of Ari/GIF/Lovebird/Kokichi today.

I think it's REALLY unlikely both scum bussed Bambietta yesterday, and this is a smaller pool to hunt from.

Are you going based just on vote count? Because this read is questionable as hell.

why dont you read my whole fucking post eh
where i say this is a starting point to help guide my reads

jesus christ

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Why am I scum?

I'm not in the practice of explaining to my scumreads why they are scum

explain to me why koki is scum bc idgi

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I don't think I'm going to lynch Koki, UT

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*shrug* I don't think she tried to take credit for the lynch and I don't think her play yesterday was scummy and I don't think she'd be the most likely scum to shoot Alisae and I don't think overdefensiveness is a scumtell (esp not with koki, who has basically been defensive all game...even over me calling her town)

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I'm going to be honest this does not seem that towny

well i love days when you can say you're being honest

gun to my head, if anyone shoots alisae in this game, it's mulch

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I'm going to be honest this does not seem that towny

well i love days when you can say you're being honest

gun to my head, if anyone shoots alisae in this game, it's mulch

Why?

I thought you just said that you thought they were the obvious nightkill?

Why are you saying now that if "anyone" shoots them its me?

is there a reason this had to be two posts

I'm saying that yes, Alisae kill makes sense instead of mollie.
I'm saying if someone had a specific REASON to shoot Alisae (that is, if we were to assume someone shot Alisae for a very specific reason that wasn't just "let's shoot the 2nd most townie player") then I think it would be you.

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@UT: Why is asking for the hammer scummy? I did that too, and I'm not scum. I think the anxious jokes are more than likely not alignment indicative and more just a function of Koki being Koki.

Yes, there are two scum left. But if there's two of you, there's discussion. And I don't see scum-Koki saying "yknow what, sure, let's kill the person who is townreading me". Alisae wasn't a threat to her. It's possible Koki is part of a scumteam, but to me, that would point to the OTHER scum really wanting to kill Alisae, which is why I'm entertaining this thought exercise.

Describe what you mean "she hasn't been this overdefensive in the same way". Koki has been playing skittish and reactionary literally the entire game, I don't know how this is any different here.

I really don't think Mulch is worth framing. I dunno.
I do agree that Alisae was a universal town read, but if I'm playing scum, I'm way more likely to kill someone who's gonna come after me knives out the next day.

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Yeah that's the obvious kill.

but if I'm playing scum, I'm way more likely to kill someone who's gonna come after me knives out the next day

Reck you're being bad stop it

How are those two things contradictory

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Maybe I'm being bad with words

When I play scum, I play very defensively with my kills
That is not the meta for MS, where safe kills tend to be the case more often, so the Alisae kill didn't surprise me

I wanted to start my analysis today by looking at Alisae's reads

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wait there was a claim?

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hmm

why'd you neighborize nm

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why were you confident in NM? what abou this voting habits were town to you

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shameless (didnt feel the need to justify any of his votes), mobile (moved his vote a lot) and with a hint of pressure.

that and he confirmed near the end of day 1 that how I was reading his votes was correct in terms of him being on the wagon but not being the one who hammers and partially lined up with my own voting restriction.

I'll actually say i've developed more doubts since neighbourizing with him then I had when I wasnt a neighbour so it does feel like I got what I deserved for being over confident.

so...he vote hopped and didnt explain it, therefore he's town?

boy howdy, that's a new one

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because im fucking town

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I'm about to be away for today/tomorrow, but I'll try to check in when I can.

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Yeah I'm down for one of the lurker wagons, fuck it

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hey ut

VOTE: aristophanes

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it was not possible to solve this game mechanically based on the information we had, and moreover the moderator gave us what amounted to misinformation

and I am salty about that, yes

This

The fact that we were led to believe it was a One-Shot game made it seem like it was solvable or at least confirmable. The final scum passive basically read "you have a fake claim that cannot be broken and it is Modconfirmed". It's borderline bastard

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and also the mod said "lol you can't use more than one action a night"