Mini 732: Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Mafia (Game Over!)

[hasdgfas]

unvote, vote Danchofran

[Porochaz]

agreed

unvote vote danch

[fuzzylightning]

I can confirm that Danch did not target Rishi last night, because I watched Rishi to see if anyone would do anything with him.

[Plum]

I can confirm that Danch did not target Rishi last night, because I watched Rishi to see if anyone would do anything with him.

With this DCF is newb-town, after the Rishi protect (with the exception-case here being that DCF and FL are scumbuddies and are both lying). FL watching Rishi was a pretty clever move, in my opinion. Who's up next?

[Gorrad]

I concur, good move. Clears him too, if I do say so myself.

I obviously targetted no one last night : D.

[hasdgfas]

unvote, vote megatheory

[Danchaofan]

Sorry, I thought what I said might have been a case of LAL but I wrote "If" to hopefully clear that up.

So does the plan of watching rishi and using rishi as a pseudo-cop work?

[TonyMontana]

Christ, people, it's not that hard to understand what danchaofan said.

[Rishi]

unvote, vote megatheory

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the vote-hopping?

[hasdgfas]

unvote, vote megatheory

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the vote-hopping?

I was voting Danchofran because I wanted to hear more about the completely idiotic statement that he made saying he might have lied about his night action target, now I'm going back to my first vote.

[Rishi]

unvote, vote megatheory

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the vote-hopping?

I was voting Danchofran because I wanted to hear more about the completely idiotic statement that he made saying he might have lied about his night action target, now I'm going back to my first vote.

Okay. But why Megatheory? I know you said your vote wasn't random and you gave a reason when you first voted (which, to be honest, sounded like a joke), but what has Megatheory done since then to get your attention?

[hasdgfas]

unvote, vote megatheory

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with the vote-hopping?

I was voting Danchofran because I wanted to hear more about the completely idiotic statement that he made saying he might have lied about his night action target, now I'm going back to my first vote.

Okay. But why Megatheory? I know you said your vote wasn't random and you gave a reason when you first voted (which, to be honest, sounded like a joke), but what has Megatheory done since then to get your attention?

no-killed N1

[Megatheory]

I'm not entirely sure what I think about the dan/Rishi situation. FL's choice seems to confirm dan, but that's assuming that Rishi and FL are telling the truth. (It's also making me think that I'm going to hate smalltown games.)

I didn't commute. I didn't see much point as, really, I'd only be protecting myself from being killed so I took the chance and if I did die, then I'd just be really unlucky.

Is announcing your choice in the thread the best idea? Telling scum when they have the maximum chance of killing you isn't the most protown strategy. (I mean for future nights, of course. I'd rather play WIFOM games with the scum if I had your role.)

no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

[hasdgfas]

no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

sure, but that's almost the exact same argument as used for No Lynching in Newbie games. Why shouldn't we maximize the amount of town-aligned kills if we have the chance?

[Glork]

Vote Count:

Danchaofan 3 (TonyMontana, Porochaz x2)
Megatheory 2 (Gorrad, hasdgfas)
hasdgfas 1 (Rishi)

Not Voting: 6 (Danchaofan, Plum, fuzzylightning, Master Ruck, Malyss)

With 11 alive, it takes six to lynch.

[Plum]

no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

sure, but that's almost the exact same argument as used for No Lynching in Newbie games. Why shouldn't we maximize the amount of town-aligned kills if we have the chance?

Then again, Day 1 lynches grant info as well as a chance to hit scum. Night 0 kills do not. I see the benefits to N0 kills, but I don't think deciding not to is a scumtell. It's more related to theory disagreement, and I'd say rather bash it out in MD instead.

[hasdgfas]

no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

sure, but that's almost the exact same argument as used for No Lynching in Newbie games. Why shouldn't we maximize the amount of town-aligned kills if we have the chance?

Then again, Day 1 lynches grant info as well as a chance to hit scum. Night 0 kills do not. I see the benefits to N0 kills, but I don't think deciding not to is a scumtell. It's more related to theory disagreement, and I'd say rather bash it out in MD instead.

should we be directing the vig's kills?

Quote tag fixed.

[Megatheory]

no-killed N1

No killing does limit my liability if I am scum, but it also had a 2/3 chance of killing a town player. I'd rather be under suspicion in this scenario.

sure, but that's almost the exact same argument as used for No Lynching in Newbie games. Why shouldn't we maximize the amount of town-aligned kills if we have the chance?

There is a massive difference between a lynch and a nightkill. For scum to lynch a townie, they have to either build a case against a player or vote for someone that is already suspected by the town. In either case, the scum have to put themselves at risk to get the lynch they want. The town benefits from having a lynch every day (barring some scenarios where no-lynching improves the odds for town) because you can analyze the players who voted for the lynchee. You might lose a townie, but you gain a useful benefit in return. No such benefit can be gained from a night one vig kill.

[Megatheory]

should we be directing the vig's kills?

Yes, you should. When we get closer to the end of the day, I'll start taking a straw poll on who the town wants me to kill.

[Master Ruck]

I didn't commute. I didn't see much point as, really, I'd only be protecting myself from being killed so I took the chance and if I did die, then I'd just be really unlucky.

Is announcing your choice in the thread the best idea? Telling scum when they have the maximum chance of killing you isn't the most protown strategy. (I mean for future nights, of course. I'd rather play WIFOM games with the scum if I had your role.)

So what should I have said? "Maybe I did, but maybe I didn't"? I don't see how I've given scum any better chance at killing me than before this day started.

[Rishi]

I don't think that not submitting a kill N0 is a scumtell, but if Megatheory was on the scum team, he's a very likely person to not submit a choice (since the person who kills doesn't get their normal choice).

I would say that Megatheory is extremely unlikely to be the SK. What SK would pass up the opportunity to make two kills on N0?

I don't think we should direct vig kills either.

[Gorrad]

I would say that Megatheory is extremely unlikely to be the SK. What SK would pass up the opportunity to make two kills on N0?

One that did not want to very quickly be lynched.

[TonyMontana]

I would say that Megatheory is extremely unlikely to be the SK. What SK would pass up the opportunity to make two kills on N0?

One that did not want to very quickly be lynched.

This.

I don't think we should direct vig kills either.

And this.

[Malyss]

I've been trying to gather up my thoughts on what has happened thus far.

If everyone has been truthful about their night actions:

Megatheory claims to have refrained from using his vigilante action on N0, which makes sense since the vigilante role is usually on the town’s side from what I read in the wiki (though in this game, he could be scum) and if he is town, it makes more sense to use his action on a player who has developed some suspicion.

Danchaofan was protected by Rishi - I can agree with the idea that the jailkeep is a role worth keeping around as if they are town, they could be useful.

Rishi was watched by fuzzylightning - It does seem rather smart to have watched Rishi, the doctor as they could have been a good target.

Malyss protected herself against Megatheory - Given that my action can be used each night, I saw no harm in employing it on N0. Megatheory was the only person that I could think of to use the action on at least until I develop some suspicion of who the scum are.

Tony Montana was jailkeeped by Danchaofan - I can see jailkeeping Tony Montana as being a reasonable move as by doing so, Danchaofan would not interfere with the role related actions that we most of us have. It kind of makes me wonder if Tony Montana could potentially be scum, though. If he was the scum player who was in charge of handing in the kill order on N0, then that role action would have been blocked by Danchaofan’s jailkeeping of him.

Porochaz was bodyguarded by Hasdgfas - Given that Hasdgfas survived N0 while bodyguarding Porochaz, Porochaz must not have been as prime a target as Hasdgfas thought or I’d assume that it would be possible that if Porochaz was scum, then he was not in great danger.

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It seems doubtful that the scum would have chosen not to make a nightkill, so either Tony was the one calling in the order and got roleblocked or the scum tried to target me (if the scum making the action was Megatheory), or Tony Montana was targeted while being jailkeeped (or is it jailkept?) by Danchaofan. If Hasdgfas did indeed bodyguard Porochaz, then either Porochaz wasn’t a target since Hasdgfas survived or Porochaz could possibly be scum.

[Rishi]

It seems doubtful that the scum would have chosen not to make a nightkill, so either Tony was the one calling in the order and got roleblocked or the scum tried to target me (if the scum making the action was Megatheory), or Tony Montana was targeted while being jailkeeped (or is it jailkept?) by Danchaofan. If Hasdgfas did indeed bodyguard Porochaz, then either Porochaz wasn’t a target since Hasdgfas survived or Porochaz could possibly be scum.

Or they could have targeted Danchaofan. He was also protected.