Mini 751: Suzumiya Haruhi Mafia (OVER)

[roffman]

Ok, very quick wagon formed.

Vote: Malthusis

for that very quick need to hammer and L-1. There was no point putting seraphim there that early in the game. As many people have said, we have time.

@seraphim: Can you elaborate on your role at all, or would doing so render it useless? Seeing as there are complexities beyond the normal in this game, I would like to rule out things like a jester immediately. Therefore I have to ask would being NK'ed instead of lynched have the same pro-town effect?

[Budja]

Seriphim, I think you could have waited until day 2 at least before saying this, you could have been NKed and saved us a lynch. Anyway...

I agree with Percy 100% on this. A quick lynch on day 1 is

never

good.

[forbiddanlight]

ACtually, thinking on it, L-1 is dangerous

UnFoS

I still maintain my stance, but malty just pushed it to an unacceptable range. L-2 was more reasonable.

[Seraphim]

I can't elaborate on what I can do or what my death will trigger. Only that it will definitely benefit town and that it should make the game that much easier.

I would have tried to get NKed, except there's no guarantee that I would have been and I didn't want to take that risk. Getting lynched on day 1 when we can afford a mislynch seemed to be the best strategy and I still think it remains my best option to use my role to its fullest potential. You could almost say that I'm better off dead.

Feel free to continue the day, as we can lynch any other suspect on day 2. So long as am I today's lynch, I support the continuation of the day.

[afatchic]

Vote: afatchic

- I don't like your latest post. Seraphim says "vote for me!" and you say "oh, OK seraphim, I'll do what you say. But you'd better not be kidding me around!!!". We're playing

mafia

here, why are you trusting him even a tiny, tiny little bit? Is it because you're scum who's glad to have avoided attention on Day 1?

I felt it may actually be better if we just went ahead and lynched him and pretending it was more like a night start, then to talk about the possibility of a vig kill and stuff like that, possibly outing Power roles.

[veerus]

Except that lynching him would bring twilight which lets mafia kill people. Assuming standard ratio of mafia to town, dropping the town to 10 on a "night 0" is not a good idea by any means.

[roffman]

There is also the fact that vigs normally don't have a target night 0. If we have seraphim as a potential vig target, it is like giving town an extra kill.

[Seraphim]

I'll say it again: I didn't want to leave it up to chance. I need to be killed before day 4 if the town wants any sort of benefit. At night, the WIFOM begins. I might be vigged but the Mafia might have a doctor and I may be protected.

I need to die and day 1 is the best time for me to die.

In other news, Percy brings up some good points.

@Percy

After the day's interrogations are done, do you plan on having me lynched or would you rather target someone else as today's lynch?

[malthusis]

Another point for Seraphim being lynched today is the fact that there may be more obvious people we need to lynch later on and the fact about that we don't need a mis-lynch later in the game when it could hurt us more. Now that I think about it, if you were fine until day 4, why couldn't you just wait to get nightkilled or maybe revealed it day 3 if you didn't? However, now that you've revealed, a bit of WIFOM does come into play, so I agree that we should lynch you today after discussions.Also, a bit weird that panzerjager and DGB come out of nowhere to vote without saying anything at all? (and not saying anything at all right now)

[DrippingGoofball]

Same reasons -- we have time, so why the rush?

Seems silly. We can lynch Seraphim, and tomorrow will be our 'Day 1'. Bu tin fact, only Seraphim knows the cost benefit. He should decide whether he wants to die slowly or quickly.

[Seraphim]

Slowly or quickly doesn't matter as long I die.

[DrippingGoofball]

Slowly or quickly doesn't matter as long I die.

It's kinda weird to chit chat about who else is scummy when the lynch is a foregone conclusion, but hey. What do I know.

[Budja]

True, if we decide to lynch Seraphim today then it would be very hard to scum-hunt in the meanwhile as votes would have a great deal less pressure.

...

I'll save my vote for now but I think that we probably should just lynch him.

[Percy]

@Percy

After the day's interrogations are done, do you plan on having me lynched or would you rather target someone else as today's lynch?

You started off saying that you should die before Day 4, and I understand why it would be best for you to die on Day 1 if there is something nasty coming - that is, it saves us having to lynch you rather than some obvscum on Day 3, or whatever.

Still, if the town gets more info from lynching someone else, then we should lynch them. In all probability, we'll all have a nice little chat, and then shoot you. But I personally will not

commit

to lynching you. It seems bizarre to make that guarantee, as it blunts any investigation we can do of other people today (as other people have identified).

The only answer to "why was a quick lynch good" seems to be "oh we could have done it and it wouldn't have been that bad". Thus, every person who wanted Seraphim lynched

quickly

wanted it for bad reasons.

Now we're looking at twiddling our thumbs and whistling away the day, because everyone "knows" that we're lynching Seraphim. Well, if you "know" it, then vote. No-one is going to feel the least bit threatened by your votes if they know you'll switch it to someone else. I'm suspicious of both afatchic and malthusis, so my votes are staying where they are. Seraphim falls under the 'lynch if there's no-one else to lynch' category.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Well, since we're no longer random voting,

UnFoS: DGB.

I refuse to commit to a D1 lynch this early, so I won't

vote

FoS Seraphim just yet, but I agree that if we don't have anyone better by the end of the day, we should lynch Seraphim. Still, if you people want him lynched now, then vote him now.

Alternative suspects? Malthusis is looking worst to me right now because of his eagerness to hammer, but I'm not really seeing anything else on anyone yet.

[veerus]

I'm not sold on malt's scumminess yet... not all hammerers are scummy, but I'd like to know his reasons for wanting to hammer.

[malthusis]

@veerus: I practically saw 5 people before me vote Seraphim (most without any objections at all) so everyone made it seem like it was going to happen anyways. I waited to see if anyone had any objections (Percy did). If I really wanted to maliciously hammer him, why would I wait to do it?

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, since we're no longer random voting,

UnFoS: DGB.

I refuse to commit to a D1 lynch this early, so I won't

vote

FoS Seraphim just yet, but I agree that if we don't have anyone better by the end of the day, we should lynch Seraphim. Still, if you people want him lynched now, then vote him now.

You sound like you're trying to derail the Seraph lynch, which we're told will be good for the town.

[forbiddanlight]

Well, since we're no longer random voting, UnFoS: DGB. I refuse to commit to a D1 lynch this early, so I won't vote FoS Seraphim just yet, but I agree that if we don't have anyone better by the end of the day, we should lynch Seraphim. Still, if you people want him lynched now, then vote him now.

Alternative suspects? Malthusis is looking worst to me right now because of his eagerness to hammer, but I'm not really seeing anything else on anyone yet.

This sounds basically like a quote of Percy with different words :S...not sure what to make of this.

[PJ.]

UnFoS FoS:Malthusis

Vote:Seraphim

Tar ignored my vote on Seraphim so I'm voting him now but I'm gonna FoS Malthusis because of the whole "It's not a hammer so I can FoS. Why are you so afraid to hammer?

[veerus]

UnFoS FoS:Malthusis

Vote:Seraphim

Tar ignored my vote on Seraphim so I'm voting him now but I'm gonna FoS Malthusis because of the whole "It's not a hammer so I can FoS. Why are you so afraid to hammer?

You

do

realize that FOS's are votes today and votes are fos's, right?

[veerus]

@veerus: I practically saw 5 people before me vote Seraphim (most without any objections at all) so everyone made it seem like it was going to happen anyways. I waited to see if anyone had any objections (Percy did). If I really wanted to maliciously hammer him, why would I wait to do it?

Ok. In my opinion that's not scummy. If anything, it's a little.. um, lemming-ish.

[Budja]

@veerus: I practically saw 5 people before me vote Seraphim (most without any objections at all) so everyone made it seem like it was going to happen anyways. I waited to see if anyone had any objections (Percy did). If I really wanted to maliciously hammer him, why would I wait to do it?

Ok. In my opinion that's not scummy. If anything, it's a little.. um, lemming-ish.

I agree, following the crowd still isn't that great. Assuming that Seraphim was telling the truth, the mafia would probably still want a quick-lynch to reduce the information given to the town.

If malthusis was scum, I think he would have just hammered.

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: Trumpet of Doom

In a normal game, scum would want to foster a mislynch because it's good for scum and bad for town. Now here's a mislynch that will be good for the town and bad for the scum and here's a player trying to derail it.

Percy seems to have good reasons and doesn't strike me as scummy yet. He reads more as aggressive, thoughtful townie. But you're just repeating and it makes you sound like scared scum who doesn't want me killed and is following another player's lead.

Killing me now will have much more benefit than mislynching a townie today. Also, when making lynches in the futures, having a night under our belts will help find falseclaims which the scum

will

have as they have had in almost every single Tar game.

[forbiddanlight]

Killing me now will have much more benefit than mislynching a townie today. Also, when making lynches in the futures, having a night under our belts will help find falseclaims which the scum will have as they have had in almost every single Tar game.

There is no guarantee of a mislynch D1. That said, I do agree that having a lynch that will prevent a bad thing for town as compared to the usual "random" lynch D1, while not optimal, still would be better. Of course, if a clear scum suspect comes out...nyeh...actually, I'd probably still go for your lynch over them, and lynch em tomorrow :S...this is a really odd situation.