Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:18 am
Yeah, I agree with Xyl. I'd definalty rather shoot Drake then Rite.
Why rite? He hadn't even posted?Sarag (8) wrote:I guess we should vote or FoS even though it has no game effect, in order to aid scumhunting. Like this:FoS: rite
And yours doesn't?Slicey (16) wrote:I don't like Sarag's post. The part about voting and FoSing seems forced IMHO.
Vala, do not be impulsive about your shot. Wait and make sure you're making the right decision before you shoot someone. I have absolutely no idea how you play, which is why I'm giving you this warning now.
So wrong.Zakeri (18) wrote:I would imagine the opposite, what with scum needed to read and understand the rules that apply to them, while town doesn't.
I can understand your D1 frustrations, however, this reads like an excuse to be less helpful. (Thank goodness I like your activity post 87.)Slicey (34) wrote:I have a hard time getting anything of value out of the RVS, and mainly Day 1 in general.
Why? (Why do I have to ask that?)ortolan (43) wrote:I already find rite, Zakeri, Drake, and DragonsofSummer scummy.
*facepalm* EPIC FAIL.Bogre (54) wrote:You also scumslipped. You said you know I'm a townie, and to tell us something you don't know. Only scum know I'm a townie.
So, you're scum.
Attempt to create WIFOM when/if he is shot.Bogre (59) wrote:Rite is scum.
You may fire when ready.
Bogre (70) wrote:I was presenting the position that I knew would garner reactions.
QFTSarag (71) wrote:Bogre, my first reaction to that post is: Holy backtracking, Batman!!
*facepalm*Bogre (76) wrote:I have the freedom to act pretty dynamically to see how people bend or prickle in response. I mean, no one can cause my death except myself, so its really moot on what anyone else thinks of -me-.
More WIFOM creation.Bogre (78) to rite wrote:Oh hello, scum.
The good news: I agree. The bad news: If he's not scum that means his death equals two town deaths.Xylthixlm (80) wrote:If we're lucky Bogre is scum trying to seem like a townie trying to get the gun. If we're unlucky Bogre is a townie who is playing against the town. Either way I want him dead as soon as possible.
If you're town, I don't like this attitude/view. If you're Bogre's scum buddy, then I love it.Xylthixlm (84) wrote:Shooting him puts him next on the list to die. That's good enough for me.
Explain further please.DraketheFake (88) wrote:once a scum is in the deer lights it might be a good strategy in this game to imply that the next choice is going to come right away to scare off concerned townies.
So how do you propose that we handle him?ortolan (91) wrote:Bogre always acts like this; it's clearly naught but a null-tell from him.
I like to leave people hanging sometimes. It's entertaining. Also it can elicit some good reactions.HowardRoark (205) wrote:Why? (Why do I have to ask that?)
Now that I've reconsidered, shooting him might be a good idea.HowardRoark (205) wrote:So how do you propose that we handle him?
Hey, way to read through the thread and post, uh, nothing new.HowardRoark wrote: stuff
WTF? Would you rather he not posted anything?Bogre wrote:Hey, way to read through the thread and post, uh, nothing new.HowardRoark wrote: stuff
Pretty easy to parrot the things -everyone- else has come up with.
Obviously Bogre's just annoyed that someone else agrees that he's wrong about everything, anti-town, and also kind of scummy.Xylthixlm wrote:WTF? Would you rather he not posted anything?Bogre wrote:Hey, way to read through the thread and post, uh, nothing new.HowardRoark wrote: stuff
Pretty easy to parrot the things -everyone- else has come up with.
Still happy about this list. Sarag has the potential to remove himself if he starts actually playing. The other three had better hope that someone else does something really really scummy, because otherwise they'll be my top suspects for a while...Xylthixlm wrote:Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
I was showing my suspicion in this post here. I didn't feel the need to restate what they have said so I QFT'd it.DragonsofSummer wrote:QFTXylthixlm wrote:Town players should try to avoid getting shot. Acting nervous and defensive isDraketheFake wrote:1. So you think that with a 7/11 chance of hitting town a town player should act nervous and defensive if the gun is pointed their way?notlikely to prevent you from getting shot.
If you're looking at the game from the perspective of how a town player should act, the flaw in your reasoning is blatant and obvious. If you're looking at the game from the perspective of how a scum player should act, it's extremely subtle. I conclude that you are looking at the game from the perspective of how a scum player should act. This makes you highly likely to be scum. Q.E.D.DraketheFake wrote:2. I'd love to hear how 1 leads to 2, though I understand it isn't really your style so far to give any kind of reasoning.
do you think posting this might discourage these players from attacking you?Xylthixlm wrote:Still happy about this list. Sarag has the potential to remove himself if he starts actually playing. The other three had better hope that someone else does something really really scummy, because otherwise they'll be my top suspects for a while...Xylthixlm wrote:Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
Uh... WTF?? His follow-up is also bad. This adds to my suspicions from his earlier analysis (88).DraketheFake wrote:It occurs to me that correct play as a townie is to encourage being shot
I don't really get this... Ortolan, would you clarify, please?ortolan 195 wrote:I also want to know how the opinions of a confirmed town player compare to my own, because that is a good way of calibrating whether the reactions I might get from other players are town or scummy.
I gave an explanation right after the text you quoted. It was "only scum don't capitalise their names". Witness my failed attempt at a RVS.HowardRoark wrote:Why rite? He hadn't even posted?Sarag (8) wrote:I guess we should vote or FoS even though it has no game effect, in order to aid scumhunting. Like this:FoS: rite
Does this mean you think rite is town?HowardRoark wrote:The good news: I agree. The bad news: If he's not scum that means his death equals two town deaths.Xylthixlm (80) wrote:If we're lucky Bogre is scum trying to seem like a townie trying to get the gun. If we're unlucky Bogre is a townie who is playing against the town. Either way I want him dead as soon as possible.
I'd expect it to encourage you, if anything. But I don't really care.ortolan wrote:do you think posting this might discourage these players from attacking you?Xylthixlm wrote:Still happy about this list. Sarag has the potential to remove himself if he starts actually playing. The other three had better hope that someone else does something really really scummy, because otherwise they'll be my top suspects for a while...Xylthixlm wrote:Scum: Bogre, Sarag, ortolan, DraketheFake
Waffle harder please.Sarag wrote:Discussion between ortolan and rite - they bothseemto be nitpicking in an unhelpful way. I don'tfindortolan's accusations of rite to beparticularlycompelling, but riteseemsto be misrepresenting ort's case. Ithinkrite comes out alittleworse in it, since misrepresenting someone's argumentseemsless town than making a flimsy case in the early game. I have aslightlytown "vibe" from rite,butthat may only be because he was attacked by Bogre in a really poor way, so Imayhave tore-assesshim.
Bogre is still top for me for trying to whip out fake scum tells early on. Ortolan is a little further behind since while he's voting on wifom, there's still a chance of being right while following the logic.@Zakeri: Who do you want to receive the bullet?
Handy probability trick: The question "Who is more likely to be scum, A or B?" always has the same answer as the question "Is it more likely that A is scum without B, or that B is scum without A?" If you can't figure out an answer to the first, try asking the second.Zakeri wrote:between Drake and Rite however, I can't really decide. They both have almost equal amounts of "trying-to-look-like-they're-helping-without-actually-doing-so", with the large difference to me being that Drake is slightly more unpleasant in attitude. between the two of them, it's likely there isn't a wrong answer.
Yup.Xylthixlm wrote:Waffle harder please.Sarag wrote:Discussion between ortolan and rite - they bothseemto be nitpicking in an unhelpful way. I don'tfindortolan's accusations of rite to beparticularlycompelling, but riteseemsto be misrepresenting ort's case. Ithinkrite comes out alittleworse in it, since misrepresenting someone's argumentseemsless town than making a flimsy case in the early game. I have aslightlytown "vibe" from rite,butthat may only be because he was attacked by Bogre in a really poor way, so Imayhave tore-assesshim.
It can be useful. One example is if a confirmed town player finds you scummy. You know that if people claim to find you scummy for the same reasons their sentiments may be more likely to be genuine.Sarag wrote:I don't really get this... Ortolan, would you clarify, please?