So, this is my wrap up post. I’ve reviewed the game a bit, but I really tried to read what exactly it was that I was doing this entire game so I can learn off of it for future games. I also do a bit of player critique just to let people know how well they did and what they can improve on and such. You can dis-regard it if you want, but it’s really just there to provoke discussion and review of the game. I think reviewing a good-game is an important part of learning in mafia, so feel free to join in on the discussion.
Early on in the game, I wanted to approach it with a different tone in my posts, (i,e: aggressive and quick), but I soon realized I couldn’t keep up the façade. However, I just wanted to be a bit jovial early game by joking around. Originally, I didn’t realize I had taken Licketey’s bait, but I realized I could roll with it because I could strong-arm him with the support and votes my read on Licketey eventually produced. Somewhere along the way, I gained his town-read at the same time. After his wagon lost steam, I backed out a little bit, but I was actually quite surprised on how well I was received entering the game. I usually don’t have that luck in early game. I made sure to try and capitalize off people’s mis-reads A LOT during this game, thus my surprise when I was finally caught. Especially on day one, I’m throwing sus here and there while still making it seem like my main view was on Licketey, when it really wasn’t. I tried to keep reads from townies thrown at other townies indirectly with some general questions here and there, but really my main goal on day-one was dividing the town. Everyone knows breaking-up the town early-on proves really beneficial for the scum later on in the game, so that, plus the inactivity later-on really helped me a lot. (I don’t think anyone noticed this, but in post 1364 there was a mini SHROOPS, see if you can find it!)
On a side note: Sorry if I was a bit foul-mouthed at times early-game, but I really didn’t give a shit.
After day-one, I really tried to let the town do its thing by lynching the third parties and such in order to buy a bit more time for Dav and I to make Night Kills. I also kept pushing for the mislynchs, and just brushed over them once they were done. I think I set up a defense for each one if anyone questioned me about why I voted or such, but I never really needed to use that. As the game went on, and Dav and I just couldn’t get our solid night-kills through, I lost hope of our win. My focus shifted to survival, and prolonging the town’s misguidance. Eventually, that led to a semi-pop corned claim-game, and I was the obv scum in that moment.
Tails/Bulba
, I killed you early mainly for revealing in the thread that you’d be testing Genda’s claim. I wanted Genda’s role to remain uncertain for a potential mislynch later-on, (and that worked out quite nicely), but had you not said this, and had you not slipped, I probably wouldn’t have killed you. Your reads were pretty off too, so I wanted to benefit off the potential wifom that would run though town’s mind when they looked at your flip. I try to mix things up every now and then. You were also a good choice to NK because you hadn’t fully established your position in the town, making you an unlikely choice for doctor. It was a safe kill overall. I know you’re a really experienced player, but don’t take this critique too seriously, I’m just explaining my thoughts on you while I was in the game.
Guilty Lion
, I was hesitant about his strength as town in this game early on, (with all the “I’m going to wait a while before I give my reads” thing), but he actually really pulled through with his scumhunting later in the game. He was, without a doubt, my top choice for a scumkill those last two nights. Well-played move on his part to commute the second night, but I was still grasping for straws at that point in the game. He also masked his role really well. Von can confirm this if he wants to, but I sent him a pm stating that I was going to claim an absorber variant, and I wanted his thoughts on it. Then you claimed and that plan was shot down. Shaky beginning, but strong finish. I misjudged you when I was going over my NK options; thinking your vote could be swayed here and there with a little coaxing, but you really stood your ground, and that’s what I love about good town players, (and you did it in a non-stubborn manner too! Bonus points!).
Lickety
, I knew I had to enter the game from an angle, you ended up being my angle, and it really worked out for me later in the game. Your entry to the game was a bit awkward to me, even if I was town, I would’ve questioned it. That’s why I mainly choose you as a way to get myself grounded in the game as people’s town read by striking at the weak and/or odd parts in your stances. As the game progressed, I was surprised you came out of my tunnel town-reading me, but that really worked-out in my favor long term. Sniper-shot btw on the SK, like, holy-fuck that shit was out of a western. I didn’t want to compliment you on it at the time because I was scum-reading you, but that shit was cool. Your reads throughout the course of the game were really malleable, so I made sure to plant the seeds of doubt in your head about Genda early on. There were some early posts I forgot to write down the numbers to in which I did specifically this. You were already slightly reading Genda as scum day 1, so by the time post 1166, (the post that I think is what eventually led to Genda’s death), rolled around, you saw it as a completely plausible option that Genda was scum. I’m not sure if this eventually led to you seeing Genda as the scummy option on that day we lynched him, but I think it contributed. The only reason I wanted to point out this instance of manipulation is because I thought it was cool. Nothing more. Your end game was strong, but you were misguided a lot during the previous days. If we ever play again, I know I’ll thoroughly enjoy it, and who knows, we might even be on the same team.
Xtoxm
, it was a stroke of bad luck for MS to claim you as scum day 1. I questioned you somewhat about your reads and you helped me out by starting the lynch on Wanderer. Thanks. You actually weren’t half-bad day-1, other than the Guilty scum-lean, so it was kind of a shame to see the town just straight-up policy lynch you day 2. Being scum, I just went with it because it was bound to happen sooner or later, but I built up a counter wagon on Firebringer day 2 because I wanted to hedge him as a mislynch later-on.
Wanderer-nl
, you entered the game a bit late due to personal time-constraints, and you entered the game at a bit of an odd angle. I just went with this and ended up lynching you day one. You seemed a bit scatter-brained while you were here on day one, but it really would’ve helped had you taken initiative and dived right in.
Grib
, solid town play out of a replacement slot, but your early reads from just replacing in weren’t the best. I made sure to capitalize off that to full extent. To do this, I town-read you really from the get-go, and made sure that we were a bit buddy-ish, but not too buddy-ish. I forget my train of thought that concluding you were likely to be doctor, but I really wish I remember it now. Being spot-on with the doctor read surprised even me. One of the reasons I choose you as a night-kill was because I feared that your incorrect reads would eventually wear-off and become correct ones on me. Solid town-play though.
vonflare wrote:Smiffle just posted in the mafia PT that he thinks Grib is likely a doctor.
HARD READS
Only the hardest. I think I just spent a lot of this game pondering who could be what power-role.
I worked a lot with Dav to really try and figure out the game before town had the chance.
All Alone
, nice work on reading Dav early and relentlessly pushing him throughout the game. That’s where you really stood strong. Unfortunately, you did join in on the other wagons a little too much. If you had kept rooting for people to lynch Dav with the convicted read you had, then you would’ve really taken the cake. Strong early reads, but you were really compliant during the game. I think this was in-part because you town-read me, but just a bit of defiance would’ve really stolen the town game for you. Solid play overall for coming out on-top in the end-game. Well-done.
Davsto
, I really tried to create synergy between the two of us at different points in the game, and I really tried to keep your options open with the town against you by little bits of stalling, but eventually it just made more sense to bus you. It was a fun team though, I enjoyed it. The one thing I regret is that I wanted to strike up a rolling discussion with you in the scum PT, but it never seemed to happen. I’m just one for long discussions of thoughts on the game to see if my partner and I are on the same page. I wish we could’ve chatted more in general, more communication would’ve helped us a ton in the game thread. Bussing me that early on probably wasn’t the best idea. Unfortunately, scumreads piled onto you early in the game, and then it started to go down-hill from there. But, let me say, the most underated thing for scum to do is actually attempt to save their buddy from being lynched, it was really hard to do while maintaining a good-read status in the thread. I resorted to stalling your death mostly, but alas… The beginning of the game is crucial for establishing a good relationship with town, but even I fall down when it comes to this, so I don’t blame you at all for eventually getting lynched. I’m sure our play would’ve been really really solid had there not been so much pressure on you from town.
Firebringer
, you came into the thread and pointed a single finger at me, your main scumread. The only thing you fell down on was pushing me. Dang, you were in control of two separate slots! You could’ve totally used that to your advantage to make me look bad, but you didn’t. I’d just recommend pushing a little harder with a bit more content, and you would’ve been golden.
Mario, all I can say is Rip. Spot-on Day-vig shot by Lickety. That shit was fire.
Gendaberry
, you made correct moves as town with the
It’s a shame that MS was banned and everything, but I don’t disagree with the mods for imposing the retroactive ban. It was just really poor timing for us being on day 1. While Sonic was in the game, he actually made some pretty lasting impressions on the scum team discussion which you might read in the scum PT. Dav and I really worked on figuring out the game before the town knew so we could better predict it’s actions, and, for the most part, I’d say we were pretty spot-on. Let me just say, when ika entered the game, playing his town game as lyncher just made it the perfect strategy. However, I did think he would gambit a bit more and continue what Sonic started, but he never did. Well played third party role. I remember playing with ika as scum, (I think), in the Taylor Swift U-pick, and the town was really strong that game, but I’m going off on a tangent, nvm. On a side note, I loved Ika’s fearlessness during the endgame. He just went straight for the hammer, no regrets, even if it was obvious at that point.
I’m sorry if any of my feed-back offended you or anything, but I think it’s just a healthy thing to do after the game to really analyze what went wrong, and what went right.
If any of you are ever interested in playing another game with me again, (or you put me on your blacklist by being thoroughly disgusted), then my main account in Lucian Roy.
Again, Great-game everyone, and good work on the setup Von. The game was really enjoyable, and I look forward to a game you mod that isn't bastard.
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