Mini 1788: Killer Instinct Mafia [GAME OVER]

[zakk]

even if we voted to lynch Cakez (my first choice), it was so obvious that at least one of zakk or Shinobi would have simply bussed and then tomorrow we would have been in the exact same position.

that's kinda what we were banking on. i liked the idea of trying for a perfect win though, so i said in the scum thread that as a hail mary, we should play counter-intuitively and nobody vote for or suspect the other people on the scum team, and see what happened. it ended up working but it was hella nerve-wracking, like someone would point out that we all kept town reading each other for LITERALLY NO REASON. ahahahaha

indeed, if we would not have had a blocker, this would have been a very different game. that was integral to our success.

zakk was obviously trying to get enough paranoia to support my lynch, and it was working with Suzune, I just figured zakk was being intentionally obtuse about the read though. Kuroi literally not understanding anything going on in the game didn't help things in the slightest either.

you're correct about me, but ehhh give Kuroi a little more credit.

[Egg]

Zakk, yes, you deserve a lot of credit for showing doubt in Kuro. The claim from Toog didn't make Kuro town. The way Kuro handled it (onot understanding right away and then feeling bad for outting it) did. Not allowing semi confirmed town to exist was key.

[Ranger]

I'm honestly not sorry for my vote. There was absolutely no way in hell that Suzune, Ranger, Kuroi, and I were ever going to get on the same page.

This is a pretty terrible reason to vote in lylo, especially

before Aneninen has had a chance to contribute

.

I was going to vote SirCakez, or failing that, Shinobi. That would have confirmed one scum between {SirCakez, Ranger} to Suzune, forcing Suzune to evaluate both of us, and I had a

pretty darn strong

case for why SirCakez was scum, when his case on me was...literally vague words of nothingness. The thing is, I was waiting to do this until

after

Aneninen had given content.

We had an extra town voice. Not an extra vote, sure. But Suzune would have listened to dead conftown. Kuroi would have listened to dead conftown. All Aneninen needed to do was say you were town, not to go after Kuroi, and that I was town, all things he was likely to do once given the chance to read, and BAM. Bingo, instantly...town cohesion! This wasn't a traditional lylo. It was lylo with an extra confirmed town player

who could not be silenced

. Which is why I didn't vote for SirCakez even though I was 100% positive he was scum this game.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm honestly not sorry for my vote. There was absolutely no way in hell that Suzune, Ranger, Kuroi, and I were ever going to get on the same page. I knew I was right on at least 2/3rds of the scum team, but Kuroi and Suzune were far too passive, which meant that even if we voted to lynch Cakez (my first choice), it was so obvious that at least one of zakk or Shinobi would have simply bussed and then tomorrow we would have been in the exact same position.

zakk was obviously trying to get enough paranoia to support my lynch, and it was working with Suzune, I just figured zakk was being intentionally obtuse about the read though. Kuroi literally not understanding anything going on in the game didn't help things in the slightest either.

I actually felt that I understood everything that went on in this game. Fact of the matter is we weren't on the same page.

[SirCakez]

I was actually paranoid that Ranger was fakeclaiming to stay alive as town since she gets night killed so much lmao

[zakk]

Zakk, yes, you deserve a lot of credit for showing doubt in Kuro. The claim from Toog didn't make Kuro town. The way Kuro handled it (onot understanding right away and then feeling bad for outting it) did. Not allowing semi confirmed town to exist was key.

i take this as high praise! thank you!

i look forward to kicking ass with you in the future!

[Ranger]

I was actually paranoid that Ranger was fakeclaiming to stay alive as town since she gets night killed so much lmao

No, I quite literally got my

absolute dream role

, and could do nothing with it.

Which

sucks

.

I had good reads.
I was right on the money from the moment Toogeloo claimed, and even was working in the right direction (vaguely, anyway) before then.
I could not be killed.
This was a combination which was supposed to be an absolute nightmare to the scumteam: an invincible Ranger.
But I felt powerless here in spite of my hard pushes. :/

[zakk]

I was actually paranoid that Ranger was fakeclaiming to stay alive as town since she gets night killed so much lmao

the aganos flavor claim makes total sense though. like, TOTAL sense

[zakk]

I was actually paranoid that Ranger was fakeclaiming to stay alive as town since she gets night killed so much lmao

No, I quite literally got my

absolute dream role

, and could do nothing with it.

Which

sucks

.

I had good reads.
I was right on the money from the moment Toogeloo claimed, and even was working in the right direction (vaguely, anyway) before then.
I could not be killed.
This was a combination which was supposed to be an absolute nightmare to the scumteam: an invincible Ranger.
But I felt powerless here in spite of my hard pushes. :/

i take this as high praise too.

i look forward to playing with you again too! but on the same side!

<3

[Toogeloo]

ehhh give Kuroi a little more credit.

Kuroi didn't get at all what I was telling him Day 1, and look at all his posts while he was lynch -2 today and not understanding what people were saying there as well. He didn't have a care in the world that he could have been lynched as town in LyLo, he didn't understand what people were saying, and his refusal to claim all pointed to him either procrastinating or just simply not "getting it."

So again, there was no way around this. I forsaw the town loss days ago because I absolutely knew that the only way we get a scum lynch was via a bus. The scum team was far too good at blending in and making town be completely suspicious of everyone, preventing any form of town bloc. It was an inevitable eventuality.

This is a pretty terrible reason to vote in lylo, especially before Aneninen has had a chance to contribute.

I was going to vote SirCakez, or failing that, Shinobi. That would have confirmed one scum between {SirCakez, Ranger} to Suzune, forcing Suzune to evaluate both of us, and I had a pretty darn strong case for why SirCakez was scum, when his case on me was...literally vague words of nothingness. The thing is, I was waiting to do this until after Aneninen had given content.

We had an extra town voice. Not an extra vote, sure. But Suzune would have listened to dead conftown. Kuroi would have listened to dead conftown. All Aneninen needed to do was say you were town, not to go after Kuroi, and that I was town, all things he was likely to do once given the chance to read, and BAM. Bingo, instantly...town cohesion! This wasn't a traditional lylo. It was lylo with an extra confirmed town player who could not be silenced. Which is why I didn't vote for SirCakez even though I was 100% positive he was scum this game.

Anen was scum reading me, and wouldn't have made any difference. I would have joined you on SirCakez, sure, but by the point of me voting, we hadn't accomplished anything in the day other than continue to doubt each other. I'm sure one of Suzune or Kuroi wouldn't have voted Cakez as they would have one or both been beaten to the punch by Shinobi or zakk, which againe would have left us in the exact same position tomorrow (I predict a Suzune night kill if we had lynched scum today).

[Ranger]

the aganos flavor claim makes total sense though. like, TOTAL sense

I think it was highly appropriate, too.
A force of nature absolutely to be reckoned with, unrelenting, invincible, yet also...a bit slow and easy to disable. :S
I had the strength in my punches, and I was swinging at the right people, it's just...they dodged.

[Ranger]

I'm sure one of Suzune or Kuroi wouldn't have voted Cakez as they would have one or both been beaten to the punch by Shinobi or zakk, which againe would have left us in the exact same position tomorrow (I predict a Suzune night kill if we had lynched scum today).

So, what?

I'm a bulletproof Ranger.

I can, and have, pointed out correctly scum bussing. Scum busses tend to be, obviously, scum busses. I would have lived long enough to have figured it out.

Giving up on lynching scum just because you think it won't do any good is

giving up on winning

. We'll never know now, though, because we were never given that chance.

[Toogeloo]

Game Setup, Day Actions, and Night Actions
01 Toogeloo (Orchid, Town Ninja Amnesiac Cop)
02 zakk (ARIA, Mafia Permanent Tracker)
03 SirCakez (Shadow Jago, Mafia Backup Jailkeeper)
04 beeboy/Mushin (Thunder, Town Macho Babysitter)
05 Suzune (Fulgore, Vanilla Townie)
06 Shinobi (Sadira, Mafia Jailkeeper)
07 heuristically_alone (TJ Combo, Vanilla Townie)
08 Aneninen (Hisako, Town Ascetic Tree Stump)
09 Egg/Javajoe24 (Spinal, Vanilla Townie)
10 Almost50 (Kan-Ra, Vanilla Townie)
11 KuroiXHF (Omen, Vanilla Townie)
12 Ranger/Yume (Aganos, Conditional Bulletproof Townie)
13 BlackStar (Cinder, Town One-Shot Vanillaizer)

Town Ninja Amnesiac Cop
Town Macho Babysitter
Town Ascetic Treestump
Town 4-shot Reverse Ascetic
Town Vanilla
Town Vanilla
Town Vanilla
Town Vanilla

Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Tracker (or Goon if my Ninja passive is just there to cause setup spec paranoia)
Mafia Goon

Giving up on lynching scum just because you think it won't do any good is giving up on winning. We'll never know now, though, because we were never given that chance.

I hardly gave up, I bet on black and it wasn't black.

[Ranger]

Also, given a scum backup-JK flip...we would have had mod confirmation the scum have a jailkeeper...which would have mod-confirmed you as being roleblocked.
This would have been the result of a SirCakez lynch, regardless of scum bussing or not.

You knew scum had a role blocking you.

If that role was SirCakez (well, it wasn't, but his role revealed which role it WAS), you'd have been cleared.

[Ranger]

Like...Kuroi was your scumread and only yours.

SirCakez was plenty of people's (namely, mine), and may have also been Aneninen's when he showed up.

That's why you should have waited right there.

[Ranger]

You also saw zakk's vote on him and it didn't raise alarm bells as maybe being scum setting up for a quickhammer, which is what it was exactly.

Like I said.

This is why you

always

wait to vote in lylo.

[SirCakez]

You were a nightmare to the scumteam :p

[KuroiXHF]

ehhh give Kuroi a little more credit.

Kuroi didn't get at all what I was telling him Day 1, and look at all his posts while he was lynch -2 today and not understanding what people were saying there as well. He didn't have a care in the world that he could have been lynched as town in LyLo, he didn't understand what people were saying, and his refusal to claim all pointed to him either procrastinating or just simply not "getting it."

So again, there was no way around this. I forsaw the town loss days ago because I absolutely knew that the only way we get a scum lynch was via a bus. The scum team was far too good at blending in and making town be completely suspicious of everyone, preventing any form of town bloc. It was an inevitable eventuality.

The only thing that I admit was not getting your hints on Day One. I'm sorry I didn't get it. I'm not really good at getting hints like this, but I had more faith in town for not voting until we move cohesively, which is why I was not worried. However, it didn't mean that I didn't care. I don't react strongly, whether town or scum, because reacting when voted is a scum tell.

[SirCakez]

Ranger you need to join a Kingmaker game and get yourself elected King every day.

[Ranger]

You were a nightmare to the scumteam :p

<3

Still ticked we lost though.

I had a chain-combo going on you guys. One reason for you being scum after another. Most of it 100% right. And yet, through something outside of my control, my health bar suddenly plummeted to zero. ;_;

[Toogeloo]

I'm not going to argue with you about it. I did what I thought was right, and exactly what the scum team was sowing since Day 2. Kuroi wasn't looking any more or less town to me by this point of the game than zakk or Shinobi. The game was stalled since no one was claiming and posts were mostly just fluffy discussions. I went with a gut read, was wrong, and I'm not sorry I did it. I apologize if the game ended unfavorably due to my actions, if that is what you want, but I will not apologize for my play.

You have to remember my scum team was Cakez, Shinobi, and Kuroi at the time of the vote, zakk was a town read. His vote actually made me feel better about it. I wasn't around when Cakez and Shinobi voted.

[Ranger]

Ranger you need to join a Kingmaker game and get yourself elected King every day.

It would probably freak me out if players just went, "oh, let Ranger decide", so that would probably reduce my accuracy. But otherwise...

...I have absolutely no problems with this.

[Toogeloo]

reacting when voted is a scum tell.

who ever told you that is likely scum.

[Ranger]

zakk was a town read. His vote actually made me feel better about it.

It was also lylo.

Standard reaction when you see someone join your wagon, in lylo, is--even if you're townreading them--to unvote QUICKLY and reconsider.

[SirCakez]

Leaving your vote on someone who's alignment you don't know as town is a huge no-no. If you were going to stick around with the vote down in case of an unvote being needed then it's fine. But just plopping that vote down and leaving is <.<