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Salesman's bad reads on day 1 and 2 really hurt tooBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Has anyone seen a town win a 4v3 before?Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Also I was setup spec confirmed town and was deliberately playing scummy because I wanted to do my super AtE and get my claim out in the right way. I don't think I could have actually been lynched barring a surprise quickhammer. I thought my Sheldon Cooper fakeclaim was so good as well because everything could be justified.
Sticky: Sheldon has this ADD thing where he has to keep doing things like eating the same meals and drinking the same pajamas, targeting same person, etc.
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Voyeur: Sheldon has a PHD and is well experienced in science and is able to determine the roles that visit his target.
Yes, and he was loud and influential and his scumreads got lynched. Adenine's scumreads didn't get lynched and he was slotted as scum and ignored the entire game.Salesman's bad reads on day 1 and 2 really hurt too
I'm not saying it's Plotinus's fault, per se, I'm just saying that I'm just noticing a trend of the game coming down to the loudest, most influential, and most manipulative people, not necessarily the best people . I claim that I am a member of both categories, but what would I know (And since that varies from game to game not blaming anyone: just a thought)
I've won at least one 4v3 situation that I can recall.Has anyone seen a town win a 4v3 before?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- chilledtea
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Point out 1 game where I scumread you when you were town.In post 2149, RadiantCowbells wrote:The point is that towns in general are terrible at sorting genuine AtE from fake. Posturing and AtEing in extreme ways is the best way to win as scum right now because it always gets you townread. always.
I've still lost very few games as scum but all of them have had a point where I deliberately decided I was tired of making games personal and would rather lose than win in an unpleasant way.
I maintain my belief that ChilledTea's scumread on me was circumstantial, fleeting, bad, and that he would likely scumread me a lot as town and be equally sure.The town did not do a good enough job of making themselves look town here and that's what cost us
I don't think any of the scum played particularly well really, they were all on the table for lynching at various points
Town lost because Adenine was figuring out the game but wasn't active or influential enough to get anything done even though he was scumreading at least 2 of us literally throughout the entire game but couldn't get anything done. Or in other words, town lost because the best townie was drowned out by the loudest one.- chilledtea
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Basically, I have a big theory post planned for MD at some point. Here's the crux of it.
1) Policy lynches need to be a thing. Not the kind of policy lynches that are currently considered policy lynches: policy lynches for entirely different reasons. More on this later. Very strict, metagame reason policy lynches.
2) People need to stop relying heavily on associative tells. Bussing is a thing and as time has gone on it has become more and more of a thing. Should not be townread.
3) Whether or not someone is trending correct should be a serious consideration in how much weight to give their reads.
It will happen. When have you ever played with RC when I was town?Point out 1 game where I scumread you when you were town.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Town didn't specifically play this game terrible. Towns in general are playing terrible because scum play has adapted ahead of town play. I have a solution.In post 2154, chilledtea wrote:Town played this game terrible. I have stopped signing up to games to preserve my sanity at this point.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- SirCakez
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Oh yeah also Shos not claiming his role day 1 was atrociousBrian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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Dude we have been in several games together at this point.In post 2155, RadiantCowbells wrote:Basically, I have a big theory post planned for MD at some point. Here's the crux of it.
1) Policy lynches need to be a thing. Not the kind of policy lynches that are currently considered policy lynches: policy lynches for entirely different reasons. More on this later. Very strict, metagame reason policy lynches.
2) People need to stop relying heavily on associative tells. Bussing is a thing and as time has gone on it has become more and more of a thing. Should not be townread.
3) Whether or not someone is trending correct should be a serious consideration in how much weight to give their reads.
It will happen. When have you ever played with RC when I was town?Point out 1 game where I scumread you when you were town.- RadiantCowbells
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This was a perfect example – which can be used by ICs too – for this: not only have you to figure out who the scum are, but also you have to persuade the town that you're right.In post 2149, RadiantCowbells wrote:Town lost because Adenine was figuring out the game but wasn't active or influential enough to get anything done even though he was scumreading at least 2 of us literally throughout the entire game but couldn't get anything done. Or in other words, town lost because the best townie was drowned out by the loudest one.
I wouldn't call myself "the best townie". Were I be so, this game wouldn't have been a perfect scum win.
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This game was awful
Like
Really
It started with me being doublehammered before being even asked for a claim, while on VLA
Continued with FA sjrviving for so long despite being sooo obvscum
And ended with sircakez being 4th scum and people thinking RC is conftown for some reason
I have no idea how this happened
Do you realize there was no intent to hammer and I wason VLA? Hammered me with a doublevote a sec after I said "dont hammer me im going on a plane"?In post 2157, SirCakez wrote:Oh yeah also Shos not claiming his role day 1 was atrociousIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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Of course it wasn't, but I was V/LA, and most of my play in this game was in the ~hour before I was lynched, lol. I barely had any influence on the game afaikIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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it was also like 2am your time when you were hammered, shos. the most reasonable explanation was that you'd fallen asleep.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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That's irrelevant, though. Java came in without reading shit and hammered without asking for a claim and/or saying intent or anything.
Also the DGB lynch over cabd was terrible if anyone could remember the magnificent fakehammer he performed on D1.In post 836, Lucky2u said:
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also, anen knew that I targetted RC the night I died so he knew how my read changed on that slot in light of the Ranger flip.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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I am sorry, but you lead a lynch on Ranger, so your reads were going to be put into question at least to some degree, so what does you changing your read on RC mean?In post 2169, Plotinus wrote:also, anen knew that I targetted RC the night I died so he knew how my read changed on that slot in light of the Ranger flip.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- Plotinus
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if someone who leads a mislynch is nightkilled, it means something.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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And I know why you were night killed and it is not the reason you think it is lol.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown- Plotinus
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sure, but I was killed at the right moment; I was killed before my death would point anywhere, which is a difficult skill.
It's possible I was also killed because of my role: I had correctly guessed that I was a PT cop and knew that my innocents were true innocents.
It's possible I was killed because I wasn't likely to get lynched.
It doesn't really matter. I was killed the night before I would've lynched RC, whether it was intentional or not.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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hmm I went through the scum topic, I thought you were killed because of mechanical setup reasons.
I can't find the specific reasons. We changed the target 2-3 times that night, RC made the choice. You can ask him if you like too.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown - Firebringer
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