I'm not sold on Davsto's case on Dreal since Lane is twisting words. I see frustrated town make defenses like Dreal's. However, I agree with pretty much everything in #358.
Lane condenses 3 decent sized posts into like 6 sentences, and ignores some of Dreal's other posts around the time that give context in #361 to load the ever living crap out of the question he asks. The question itself was just going to make Dreal repeat himself (buzzword work) which only makes the game harder to read. He then ends the post on a cute little observation that can't really be disputed, and claims to be arguing on facts. That push is shady. I'm more comfortable with my Lane scumread now.
Ari is my second pick at the moment if Lane doesn't get any takers.
I started with the post that dreal calls davsto the probable town. And the next two posts. Show me the context that I excluded, that matters. He calls davsto the town on his wagon. Davsto gives him pressure. He votes davsto. You're right, my cute little observation can't be disputed, because it's fact. He votes the people that pressure him, and somehow you think that's scum hunting or coming from town. I'm not claiming to be arguing on facts, I am arguing on facts. And you're trying to discredit those facts. Except facts can't be discredited
Dreal mentions how he felt like Davsto was playing safe as well as misrepping him before you posted your Dreal flipflopalop nonsense.
In post 397, lane0168 wrote:@narna, has dreal voted anyone pressuring him at the time? Everyone? Anyone else that hasn't been pressuring him? How can you try to make me look shady when I'm talking about what is actually happening? Like honestly?
The Dreal wagon is lame, and scum is on the wagon. I'd omgus the shit out of that. You're deliberately ignoring motivation, and drawing near baseless conclusions. It looks so forced.
In post 234, Narna wrote:Lane's question to Dreal seems like phony busywork.
VOTE: Lane
Even though it might have been the first non-RVS post made in the game? Someone's gotta get the ball rolling right?
I'm trying to get the ball rolling. Lane didn't really engage rvs at all, and he enters the game trying to break rvs by questioning something that didn't seem alignment indicative to me. Dreal's bit on Frank, and KT's question seem like more genuine attempts to break rvs here.
What is busy about it? You're quick on that I think. One post asking a legitimate question. Can you think of any reasons someone might accidentally pay more attention to votes on one person as opposed to another? You say I enter trying to break rvs. How well do you think town does if rvs never ends? I engaged rvs. I voted mcmenno. Then I saw something that interested me. Why don't you go look at the posts before and after my question, then tell me when rvs ended. Your accusation doesn't make sense on many levels. You might even call it busy work.
Who else is on your suspicion list that didn't really engage in rvs? Are kt and dreal on your list for trying to break rvs? Like you said I was doing?
Both of those votes that Dreal questioned were naked votes, and it seemed pretty apparent he was trying to get more than that out of people. The mcmenno association seems like a safe misrep to get a response and seem like you're scumhunting. The rvs thing was poorly thought out, and pretending to scumhunt fits better than "breaking rvs" considering KT and Dreal's serious posting was just before yours.
My bad there, but the point is still pretty much that the question falsely associates Dreal with Mcmenno.
I wasn't a fan of Snarky's "hurr modvote" or Frank's first joke from rvs. I mentioned that KT and Dreal's attempts at breaking rvs seemed genuine in the post you quoted.
The bolded, can you tell me how it falsely associates dreal with mcmenno? That may be true, but how can you know that our even imply that? There is only one way you could even imply that this early in the game. Town doesn't know. Scum know
You set up a false pretense. I don't think an experienced townie would come out of the gate believing that scum is blatantly defending their buddy from two rvs votes. It's not impossible for Dreal to be on a team with Mcmenno, but it looks like you putting needless spin on something to look busy.
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:48 pm
by Desperado
does this really strike you as a game where scum are concerned about looking busy???
Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:55 pm
by Narna
In post 575, Azral wrote:The town ponders the use of minimalism as a narrative device in game posts.
No idea what anyone would like about that zefiend post.
It's mostly his take on Desperado's 263, particularly the last sentence. Desperado was reaching. The first part was to ask him,
In post 576, ɀefiend wrote:I noticed a few people had questions for me so I'm gonna read up now.
In post 572, Narna wrote:You kind of skirt around your Lane read here, is he off the table for you this phase?
In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, 489 is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.
@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:
Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.
@ Davsto, lane
Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.
@ Narna
Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.
"why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"
"why are you guys voting dreal"
... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.
But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days
Does my vote still blow? This is such a scummy way to push people.
@Desperado Do you think Ari is active lurking? Ari actually looks like they are trying to fit in, unlike Mcmenno's lurk.
I wasn't pushing anything here, and honestly how is that twisting words whatsoever? You're making shit up now. You've seen me push dreal, and I've pushed you. Does this really look like a push on desp? Desp is a town read. You're awful. But keep trying
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:55 am
by lane0168
VOTE: narna
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:53 am
by drealmerz7
VOTE: lane0168
I might have responses and comments later but I hate lane's attitude and am wary of engaging too much there as I've turned some games toxic lately when getting pissed at someone I think is obvi-scum obvi-scumming it at me (to me.)
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:40 am
by Aristophanes
In post 604, Narna wrote:Ari posts continue to ping me something fierce.
What is making the Ping?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:34 am
by Davsto
Well rip the dreal wagon then
VOTE: McMenno
Would rather not resort to this but fuckit, I'll keep the push on dreal but vote can go here.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:03 am
by Aristophanes
Davsto why have you left me here all alone?
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:05 am
by Desperado
@ Lane I get it man, really. But Narna isn't getting lynched today either.
Dreal wagon dissolving with lane unvoting (partly because dreal seems to have been posting less lately, what a coincidence!), McMenno is scummy and got an extra vote and is more reasonable to get a vote on within the 4 days, whereas it may take more time to convince a majority about dreal.
In post 604, Narna wrote:Ari posts continue to ping me something fierce.
What is making the Ping?
It's mostly gut, but I don't see much scumhunting in your posting. You're playing overly safe.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:13 am
by Narna
VOTE: Aristophanes
I find him to be active lurking in a way to actually mask his presence (sheep first real push, throwaway posts, low effort scumhunting). Mcmenno's Britposting may mostly be a lurk, but I'd rather lynch a scumread than policy lynch d1.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:16 am
by Desperado
Narna is scumediating a dispute that doesn't even exist.
He wasn't "throwing shade," he misunderstood what I said and then asked a question about it, which I answered.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:38 am
by Narna
Why does he need to twist your words, "why are you guys voting Dreal" to ask a question about a misunderstanding? The only way I see someone missing the point of 589 is if they are ignorant of who is on the leading wagons. Considering he and his vote are a part of the leading wagons you asked about, I don't buy it.
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:42 am
by Desperado
It doesn't matter how many times you say it, he did not twist my words. He was confused so he asked me what I said. He didn't throw shade, he didn't approach me with hostility, and he also responded to my question to him constructively as well. Then I cleared up the confusion and we moved along.
Dreal wagon dissolving with lane unvoting (partly because dreal seems to have been posting less lately, what a coincidence!), McMenno is scummy and got an extra vote and is more reasonable to get a vote on within the 4 days, whereas it may take more time to convince a majority about dreal.
Valid. I'll see about a deadline vote switch, but I hate unvoting scum.
