In post 349, drealmerz7 wrote:you call that effort on a snarky lynch???
noooo, again, that is you just framing a narrative how you want to see it
HORRIBLY OBVIOUSLY TOO
In post 354, drealmerz7 wrote:you're literally SITTING THERE WAITING TO FIND ANYTHING YOU CAN TO TWIST IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE
AND DOING ACTUALLY NOTHING OF YOUR OWN
In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.
In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
-If the KainTepes/drealmerz exchange didn't provide any alignment indicators (side note: I think it did), what type of indicators should we actually be searching for with regards to the questionnaire-reveal discussion? &
-If the exchange did provide alignment indicators, why didn't Desperado share these at the time? Why bring up the fact that the discussion can provide alignment indicators if you aren't going to talk about them?
In post 392, McMenno wrote:I mean twou ouf thouse points are literally I was nout oun at the time sou I've resigned to him being either a lyncher oun me our bad scum
In post 130, McMenno wrote:I will OUVERTHROUW this nefarious brit
In post 148, lane0168 wrote:VOTE: mcmenno
In post 149, drealmerz7 wrote:why the vote on mcmenno?
In post 154, ɀefiend wrote:VOTE: McMenno
In post 155, drealmerz7 wrote:mcmenno, did you poop inside or something?
In post 173, McMenno wrote:are you nout oumgusing, davstou
In post 468, Aristophanes wrote:What do you think of Narna's tone and approach to the game? They seem to be narrating more than giving opinions (with a few exceptions) and playing it rather safe in general. In my quick Iso of them, I saw a lot of almost content, but not much that really had anything to it.
In post 486, xyzzy wrote:"none of you have actually changed your votes since the last votecount," says the omnipotent voice in the sky, "but there's a couple of prods in the mod notes, so here's another votecount!"
"what the fuck is a votecount, and what the fuck is a mod notes," says everyone in exasperation simultaneously. it's actually pretty impressive.
"well," says the voice in the sky, "wait until I tell you about 'pedits'. that'll blow your minds."
mod notes: Gamma Emerald is V/LA until January 17 and has been prodded. Narna and Davsto have been prodded. p-edit: Davsto was able to post in the thread in the like 2 minutes between me sending the prod and making this post. good job, Davsto.
In post 393, Desperado wrote:In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.
When a player is wagoned he has four options:
1) Ignore it and do nothing else
2) Ignore it and continue scumhunting
3) Address it and do nothing else
4) Address it and continue scumhunting
1) and 3) lean scum, 2) and 4) lean town. McMenno and Davsto clearly reacted differently to their wagons so I'm curious what leads you to suggest that I'm "misapplying" anything here.
As for the last bit, Drealmerz questioned multiple McMenno votes--that is a response to the McMenno wagon, by definition. He carried a conversation on with lane regarding it, but if another player goes out of his way to question multiple votes on my town slot in RVS, I would want to know why and I would expect other townies to feel similarly.In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
-If the KainTepes/drealmerz exchange didn't provide any alignment indicators (side note: I think it did), what type of indicators should we actually be searching for with regards to the questionnaire-reveal discussion? &
-If the exchange did provide alignment indicators, why didn't Desperado share these at the time? Why bring up the fact that the discussion can provide alignment indicators if you aren't going to talk about them?
Up to now Kain and Dreal are the only people truly engaging the questionnaire discussion and I have shared my Dreal read so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.
In post 506, drealmerz7 wrote:you are evading
why is it scummy here and not at other times?
what makes it scummy here
how can I learn to differentiate between the two? tell me what you see is what I'm asking
quit evading
In post 503, Aristophanes wrote:I don't see the town motivation from Dreal. Lane I agree with, and Dav I'm still sorting but want to play with longer, so not voting there.In post 502, Desperado wrote:Me consistently townreading the three leading wagons and then declaring all three of the leading wagons being on town (with the implication being that we should go another direction) isn't elaborating on it?
Tell me fhy you townread them.
In post 549, Azral wrote:No, I mean you're projecting your own interpretation onto Desp's posts to try to make sense of his read. But without Desp actually saying the words, that's all it is and quite likely to be wrong. Is he the type to recommend we just policy lynch all the active lurkers? I kind of doubt it.
In post 591, lane0168 wrote:... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
In post 594, Davsto wrote:So you don't think any of dreal, lane, I, zefiend, Azral or Aristophanes are scum? And you're too stubborn to push a lynch which at least has a good chance of flipping scum and instead will push a lynch that you're certain is scum but is unlikely to flip?
In post 591, lane0168 wrote:In post 589, Desperado wrote:OK, 489 is two days old and absolutely nothing has changed. We have five days.
@ Azral, KainTepes, zefriend, dreal, Gamma:
Why aren't you voting one of dreal/lane/davsto? Your wagon/non vote is doing nothing but you also aren't doing anything to diffuse the leading wagons.
@ Davsto, lane
Seriously, stop voting dreal. Look elsewhere.
@ Narna
Your lane vote blows and you've offered two alternatives "if lane doesn't have any takers." Well, we're here.
"why aren't you guys voting dreal lane or davsto"
"why are you guys voting dreal"
... Did you just suggest dreal as a viable wagon? And then ask why we're voting there? Cause that's weird.
What's id lynch Frank for his bs case on me. And I'd vote Narna if it was worth it.
But I'm staying in dreal, because I'm not voting davsto, and I'm not voting myself. Like you said. 5 days
In post 774, SnarkySnowman wrote:So I have a weird role, it's basically a town game-ender / lyncher. So if it's just town and one faction left, I auto-win for the town. I also got info on how many non-town factions there are, and there are 7. Scum, survivalist, SK, ???, ???, and ???, ??? (i'm filling in blanks, I don't know the ???s). I get extra game info on those factions + some hidden ability if I personally hammer davsto.
tl;dr massclaim shouldn't win the game we still have to scumhunt
And lynching for the info may be a bad idea if we have that much scum left and davsto is town :/ I don't win upon making that lynch
In post 774, SnarkySnowman wrote:So I have a weird role, it's basically a town game-ender / lyncher. So if it's just town and one faction left, I auto-win for the town. I also got info on how many non-town factions there are, and there are 7. Scum, survivalist, SK, ???, ???, and ???, ??? (i'm filling in blanks, I don't know the ???s). I get extra game info on those factions + some hidden ability if I personally hammer davsto.
tl;dr massclaim shouldn't win the game we still have to scumhunt
And lynching for the info may be a bad idea if we have that much scum left and davsto is town :/ I don't win upon making that lynch
In post 818, SnarkySnowman wrote:Don't forget possibility of doctor / jk / busdriver / nexus / lightningrod giver / any other number of roles that could change the kill direction. I'm pretty sure I'm not BP.
Also now we have two normal roles...
In post 970, Narna wrote:It would be a pretty shitty groupscum kill, but there are potentially a fuckton of third party in this game. If you only have the one shot like Ari, then I think locking down a mason claim with it would be solid. This compounds with Desperado pushing for the massclaim which makes the masonry a lower priority nk target. You two still seem town from your play, but this isn't the game to treat masons as confirm town.
In post 973, SnarkySnowman wrote:>3 confirmed town and one scum left maximum
Sorry what? I get the 3 confirmed town from your perspective but what do you mean by the other part
In post 774, SnarkySnowman wrote:So I have a weird role, it's basically a town game-ender / lyncher. So if it's just town and one faction left, I auto-win for the town. I also got info on how many non-town factions there are, and there are 7. Scum, survivalist, SK, ???, ???, and ???, ??? (i'm filling in blanks, I don't know the ???s). I get extra game info on those factions + some hidden ability if I personally hammer davsto.
tl;dr massclaim shouldn't win the game we still have to scumhunt
And lynching for the info may be a bad idea if we have that much scum left and davsto is town :/ I don't win upon making that lynch
In post 781, SnarkySnowman wrote:presumably 2 of the factions are gone, town is 1, we have 4 factions left. You read 7 correctly.
In post 803, SnarkySnowman wrote:you're saying it's not real because I derped and forgot town was included in those factions
excuse me if I had to reread my complicated ass role pm again
In post 1016, SnarkySnowman wrote:In post 1008, Desperado wrote:i think snarky's just lying
mainly because i don't think half the playerlist prefers 3rd party, that's crazytalk
We've seen SK + 3p team + assume groupscum + town, that's 4. there could be another 3p, another town faction, and the mod to make 7. Like there are lots of ways for this to be true.
Do you think I'd make that shit up? Like I know it's ridiculous, and I feel like I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to setup stuff, I wouldn't make something like this up and expect it to be believable as a fakeclaim :T
In post 1089, Azral wrote:FYI I don't give a fuck about trying to convince anyone I'm town.
VOTE: Kain Tepes
Seems like the most likely suspect from here (though I'd love for him to make a case on someone else).
In post 1189, ɀefiend wrote:We can compromise on Snarky today since the masons are basically absent right now.
I'll cop Frank just to be sure, then we lynch Narna. If I die, lynch Frank then lynch Narna anyway.
VOTE: SnarkySnowman
In post 1201, ɀefiend wrote:I wasn't pushing you so why would you want to lynch me?
This is objectively bad play. Lynching Snarky gives me another invest, guaranteed (or else Frank comes under suspicion). If I get NK'd, town gets 3 clears anyway.
Snarky is 1)admitted non-Town 2)trying to lynch the Cop 3)caught lying [twice]
Let's not drag this Day out.
In post 1202, SnarkySnowman wrote:A faction with 0 to start that ends with people later is called the dead. That would be amusing and also line up with Narnas info and explain my own info some.
Where are you getting 3 clears from though? I'm all for the lynch yes, but zefiend claimed 1 result on a dead person, 1 result on davsto, and one on KT. He also claimed a result on me. If he faked one, why could he not have faked another?
Either way I suspect it to be a scum slot anyway. We can lynch one of desp/dav too but I think zefiend is a good start.
In post 1215, Narna wrote:I'm trying to lynch other slots, shocker. Snarky is making a good amount of sense, and even the Davsto part of his role is fitting into my current suspicions about this game.
In post 1216, SnarkySnowman wrote:In post 1214, Desperado wrote:you and narna are both pretty clearly doing whatever you can to keep other slots lynchable
You're trying to make slots that aren't yourself lynchable too. Pretty sure that's what mafia players do, regardless of alignment.
I think I've been pretty clear on my reads though. To put succinctly:
SCUM {zefiend}
SCUM POSSIBLE {Davsto Desp}
NOT SURE / NO CONTENT {KT}
TOWN {Frank Narna}
zefiend's reason for wanting me lynched is because there's a lyncher aspect in my role. He wants the easy lynch because all he has to do is say "LOL SNARKY IS 3P EZ LYNCH" and he doesn't have to do anything else to get to night, and tomorrow say "oh fuck guys snarky was town also I faked my last cop result to focus us LOL"