Aristophanes wrote:Oh come on, there are only 456976 possible combinations! If you really wanna put the work into it, just try them all!In post 22, ɀefiend wrote:I feel like writing a script to continually submit responses that guess everyone's unique letters so that I can play exactly the game I want.
McMenno wrote:that's not probabilities that's combinatorics
anyway it's just 26 to the fourth power which is indeed 456976
In post 39, drealmerz7 wrote:I realized it is probably healthy for me to tell you all that I am vehemently opposed to sharing anything about how we answered the questionnaire. You all are going to do it as you do it, but I encourage NOT DOING IT, for the betterment of the game and for yourselves individually. Just don't talk about it. Further, just know that I will not be talking about it and will react poorly to those who try to get me to do otherwise.
In post 187, drealmerz7 wrote:that makes me uneasy at this point because of the nature of the game (which is unknown) - thoughts turn to jester or bomb
In post 136, drealmerz7 wrote:KAIN TEPPES,
we haven't really had much of a chance to meet or interact
if I don't get frustrated or pissed off, I'm a fucking blast to play with (I think) and I look forward to playing with you!!!!!!
In post 267, Desperado wrote:Even if everyone answered truthfully both on the questionnaire and in their answers here I don't think we'd be able to deduce anything from that information. We don't know what kind of assumptions xyzzy was making to interpret the data and make design decisions.
I don't know if it's necessarily anti-town, mainly because merely discussing this issue can provide alignment indicators, but I do think it could end up dominating the discussion and give scum an easy IIoA avenue.
In post 392, McMenno wrote:In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy.
I mean twou ouf thouse points are literally I was nout oun at the time sou I've resigned to him being either a lyncher oun me our bad scum
In post 393, Desperado wrote:In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:My thoughts concern the second part Re: McMenno. Note that Narna's request was for Desperado to point out things about McMenno's posts that had scum motivation. However, two out of the three reasons Desperado gives imply that a lack of specific posting from McMenno is scummy. (The PR thing is up in the air, since we are talking about "McMeme-o" after all. I'm not going to digress to argue the strength of this reason.) McMenno didn't have a meaningful response to his wagon, but neither did Davsto, and Davsto's was bigger. The last reason is misapplied to the actual situation, so I cannot discern whether it is bogus scum reasoning or an honest mistake. However, I can explain the misapplication. Drealmerz wasn't responding to the McMenno wagon per se, he was responding to Lane questioning him about his own concern for the wagon.
When a player is wagoned he has four options:
1) Ignore it and do nothing else
2) Ignore it and continue scumhunting
3) Address it and do nothing else
4) Address it and continue scumhunting
1) and 3) lean scum, 2) and 4) lean town. McMenno and Davsto clearly reacted differently to their wagons so I'm curious what leads you to suggest that I'm "misapplying" anything here.
As for the last bit, Drealmerz questioned multiple McMenno votes--that is a response to the McMenno wagon, by definition. He carried a conversation on with lane regarding it, but if another player goes out of his way to question multiple votes on my town slot in RVS, I would want to know why and I would expect other townies to feel similarly.
In post 383, ɀefiend wrote:The last sentence pings me because (1) it reads as fence-sitting about the discussion as a whole, whereas most (active) players have taken a hard stance on it, and (2) KainTepes and drealmerz had just gone through a lengthy back-and-forth about the discussion at hand, but Desperado doesn't elaborate about what, if any "alignment indicators" he picked up on from their exchange -- this begs the questions
-If the KainTepes/drealmerz exchange didn't provide any alignment indicators (side note: I think it did), what type of indicators should we actually be searching for with regards to the questionnaire-reveal discussion? &
-If the exchange did provide alignment indicators, why didn't Desperado share these at the time? Why bring up the fact that the discussion can provide alignment indicators if you aren't going to talk about them?
Up to now Kain and Dreal are the only people truly engaging the questionnaire discussion and I have shared my Dreal read so I'm not really sure where you're going with this.
In post 443, Azral wrote:I love Narna's posts. He's my strongest townread right now.
Lane and drealmerz are okay, not as strong though.
Kain has done nothing town and I'd be open to lynching him.
zefiend 383 was probably meant to sound super town but it has the opposite effect on me.
Also dislike his push on desperado - not genuine.
VOTE: zefiend
In post 456, Azral wrote:In post 451, ɀefiend wrote:In post 443, Azral wrote:I love Narna's posts. He's my strongest townread right now.
Lane and drealmerz are okay, not as strong though.
Kain has done nothing town and I'd be open to lynching him.
zefiend 383 was probably meant to sound super town but it has the opposite effect on me.
Also dislike his push on desperado - not genuine.
VOTE: zefiend
What's not genuine about it?
More or less everything.
You take small, neutral things people do and try to spin a case on them.
People aren't always logic machines, that doesn't make them mafia.
In post 469, drealmerz7 wrote:to me that is often how it goes on D1 though
I often get shit for weak-ass reads on D1 and I'm like "I can't fake having a stronger read when it's not there, it's early in the game, I'll be patient and let them develop"
In post 480, Azral wrote:In post 473, ɀefiend wrote:Way to be as vague as possible. I only cased one person, and they are doing a decent enough job of responding to my points that we are making progress. Your last statement is out of left field and makes no sense. If that statement was consistent with my mentality, then drealmerz would be my #1 scumread.
I mean. Desperado basically said two things:
- McMemmo is scummy. (He is.)
- Any interaction between players can be studied, but focusing too much on the questionnaire gives scum an easy IIoA avenue. (This shouldn't be controversial.)
This led to you accusing him of confirmation bias, being dodgy, ignoring other wagons, not having reads and generally having a bad "methodology."
Doesn't feel genuine to me on D1.
In post 477, Aristophanes wrote:I know, but it's not just weak ass reads. That I get. It's a lack of engagement in the game that is pinging me!In post 469, drealmerz7 wrote:to me that is often how it goes on D1 though
I often get shit for weak-ass reads on D1 and I'm like "I can't fake having a stronger read when it's not there, it's early in the game, I'll be patient and let them develop"
Take a read there. It's a quick Iso to do. Tell me what you see.
In post 528, Azral wrote:You're being hard to talk to and putting way more effort into not answering questions than it would take to answer them, which probably makes you scum.
(Is this the nuance you were talking about, zefiend?)
In post 849, Desperado wrote:zefriend, how often to you gambit? I did not take you for that kind of player.
Why snarky?
Be more specific about the reads you gathered from your reaction test. I know you're more than capable of it so the lack of depth here is a huge red flag.
In post 741, Alisae wrote:Ah ok.
VOTE: SnarkySnowman
This snowman has got to go then.
btw I'll do reads and all that stuff laterz. Gimmie name to ISO.
In post 742, Desperado wrote:VOTE: Snarky
In post 743, Desperado wrote:Really no need Ali. We can finish the mass claim and win right now.
In post 744, Alisae wrote:Oh so I'm claiming now?
In post 745, Alisae wrote:actually nah I'll wait.
In post 747, Desperado wrote:Sure if you want to start and popcorn it
In post 869, Davsto wrote:[...]
Your reaction test was a bad idea and how you continued to handle it was worse.
In post 870, Davsto wrote:Also the reads you got from it were tenuous at best (and considering massclaim discussion started before your fake result, arguably those reads would have happened anyway)
I could go on as to how bad it was but it's fairly self-evident (and others have covered many points)
In post 925, Desperado wrote:Desperado - Mason
Davsto - Mason Vig
Narna - Census Taker?
Alisae - Watcher
Azral - Vig
KainTepes - Questionnaire Checker
Zefriend - Questionnaire Cop
SnarkySnowman - Informed Lyncher
Frank - Conditional Doctor
In post 1104, FrankJaeger wrote:Does snarkys math still add up about the "7 non town factions"?
Im not in a position to look it up
In post 1151, Narna wrote:I've shared all of my info, including in the posts you just responded to. Are you also telling me that not only were you and Frank not killed, you also weren't redirected again? I'm redacting my KT scumread for now, there is something fucked up going on with the night actions this game.
In post 1154, Narna wrote:Please dude, I've been townreading you all game. Zef just presented an interesting idea in that the scumteam only had a 1-shot killer. That makes no sense to me, but I could see it now that he's brought it up. His results have all been more or less useless (Dreal, mason claim, and KT despite being "redirected" last pahse). I think he may be bullshitting a cop claim with Davsto and Desperado as a scumteam. The amount of deaths n1 coupled with mine and KT's roles fits your conditional doc claim.
Why didn't Zeif check me again last night if he was so suspicious of me?
In post 1160, Narna wrote:Zefeind's action do not line up, and he gave you two an inno Desp. It's mostly him, but my point still stands that if I only had one kill, I'd try to lock down something solid like a mason claim with it.
In post 1169, Narna wrote:I'm getting this from Zefeind. There is a chance he threw you two an inno for towncred, but I'm not so sure. Like where on earth does he pull scum has only a 1-shot killer out of his ass?
In post 1170, Narna wrote:[...]
And you're on crack. Zef already claimed he was redirected. I know that this game is more than likely bastard, and something really fishy is going on with no nightkills and Zef claiming to have an accurate result (with a live doc).
In post 1173, Narna wrote:I'm suggesting that you fabricated the KT result because you will win on a mislynch regardless of whether your inno is on KT or I. What is your explanation for being redirected n2, but not n3? It doesn't make sense unless you think the scum team is weak enough to have a goon, no nk, and either a 1/2shot redirect or a passive one on myself. I simply don't believe town has a cop and a watcher with a weak ass scumteam like that. My role is semi-confirmable; we can out our own answers to the questionnaire to sort of confirm my answers. The game is also most likely bastard, and I don't see any reason why your results should be trusted at this point. You and/or Frank should be dead.
In post 1200, Desperado wrote:If we lynch zefriend either he's scum so yay! Or he's town and we get three clears from it.
In post 1246, Infinity 324 wrote:Frank looks kinda townish too...that's too many townreads. I guess {narna, frank, snarky} are most likely to be non-town.
I would say that there aren't scum killing roles left but then the game would be over...maybe 1-shot/2-shot SK or something. Idk
VOTE: narna
In post 1307, Infinity 324 wrote:I would want to pre-in but overgamed and I feel like it's gonna be another bastard role madness lol
I like my games within boundaries