Mini 1880: Witch Trials Mafia - Game over!

[XnadrojX]

And i haven't agreed he is wrong.

I do agree it was a ugly misplay to let LyLo last 2 seconds though.

[XnadrojX]

Let me use my superior handle on the English language to get at the heart of the perhaps frustrated drealz.

You instavoted in LyLo. You said it was ISO not pushing Pers first chance. The issues here: You didn't give them a chance yet AND it was LyLo, if you asked him in LyLo, and he still pulled things out of his ass, then I'd vote him too. But voting on LyLo first thing is never correct.

Secondly: You said you tried to NKA and it was out fault that we didn't listen. Maybe you did. But if you noticed something like that, you can't assume we're as attentive as you/other person who noticed.

Thirdly: It was the sum of other people who caused the loss.
0+0+0+1+1-5 = -3
There are more 1s and one -5.
If everyone else is playing fine, all it takes is one guy to misplay, and opponent wins. If the sum of the players was negative (a loss), it's possible that there's only one huge negative and many positives. Maybe take this into account.


Please present your counterargument in a calm and peaceful manner please, it's hard to read when every other word is an expletive or insult.


Also TB the NK of a seer is expected, and we kinda suck at reading flavour.

[Persivul]

I still can't believe it took you so long to discuss my death and my obvious guilty. The fact that I died over an IC when I could have been lynched should have immediately set off red alerts.

Yeah that was pretty funny.

[Persivul]

Dreal literally everyone else agrees you're wrong. Accept it.

Not so fast there sparky.

[Persivul]

Grey stop.

Idk what is more maddening.

The ignorance or the pomposity.

With you it's pomposity. You had the sweetest 3P role I've ever seen and you just imploded. I'm surprised you have the nerve to show your face here at all, let alone criticize someone else. You should get a ban for playing against win condition but I didn't feel like reporting you.

[Persivul]

you vote and if you vote wrong, the game is over

Which is why

It is gamethrowing

To make your first post

In LyLo

A fucking vote.

Is it

Gamethrowing

To self hammer

As an independent???

[Persivul]

OK I'm caught up and here's my thoughts:

Thank you desperado for being a great partner!

When a baseball team loses, it's not just the fault of the third guy at bat in the ninth inning. Yet, that's how the rest of you are treating dreal. Dreal played as good as most and better than some.

Iso, you complain that dreal didn't give you a chance in lylo. Do you know why you were in lylo in the first place? Because you looked scummy the entire game. I was debating whether to kill xanax or dreal on the last night (I actually killed dreal first then changed it), but I knew I was taking you along as the most likely mislynch. You are all of course correct that technically dreal shouldn't have come out with a vote, but if he hadn't, the result would have been the same anyway, it just would have taken a few days to get there. You couldn't have beaten me in a 1v1 due to your play through the entire game. Again, it's not just the third out in the ninth that loses the game.

Those of you who forced dreal to gladiate were a big help.

Slysly let known PRs die while he protected scum (assuming he was telling the truth).

And again on grey, he had a sweet role. All he had to do was play a middle of the road game to avoid lynches, commute at night, then really just start playing toward the end. Instead he played against wincon. He has no standing to criticize dreal or anyone else.

Really the only good thing town did was TB choosing to investigate desperado. But you guys almost blew that. He shoud have held the result and taken the chance that he survived another night, then given the result the next morning.

There's plenty of blame to go around. Don't put it all on dreal. That's bullshit. All he did was hasten the outcome that was pretty much written already.

[Persivul]

With all the blamethrowing I forgot to say:

Thanks Clumsy for another great game!

Very interesting setup. If the vig and SK hadn't died so early this could have been a very different game.

[Persivul]

TB, why did you investigate desperado? I didn't think he was suspicious.

[drealmerz7]

I woke up with a startle in the night realizing I didn't thank clumsy, blah! (I didn't get up to do it I did decide to wait until I actually woke)

clumsy! your setup and flavor were excellent!!! I love your games, hopefully you love them too and keep making them!!!

D&D vampires, literary witches, what's next? re-animated corpses???!!!

[ThinkBig]

TB, why did you investigate desperado? I didn't think he was suspicious.

It was rather a random toss up. He wasn't widely scum read and wasn't sure how I read him. I'm glad I did as it got at least one scum

[Shaziro]

Tends to be a good idea to cop the middle ground, get 'em sorted.

[ThinkBig]

Tends to be a good idea to cop the middle ground, get 'em sorted.

Yup and Desperado happened to be in the middle of the AA lynch wagon

[Shaziro]

you vote and if you vote wrong, the game is over

Which is why

It is gamethrowing

To make your first post

In LyLo

A fucking vote.

Is it

Gamethrowing

To self hammer

As an independent???

I should point out that it -is- playing against your win condition.

[Persivul]

Damn right. No way to get around that self-hammering as an independent is playing against wincon.

[Shaziro]

The difference, Pers, is that the only person he particularly screwed over by acting dumb was himself. Maybe scum to a degree because they didn't get the extra kill from him, but then again he may have killed scum. Dreal let the entire town down by acting dumb.

[drealmerz7]

I really don't think there's anything iso would have said to change my mind. I thought everything over and considered all there was to consider. Again, I'm open to hearing what they would have said to try and convince me, I WANT TO HEAR IT PLEASE! I feel like that should have been the first order of business out of their mouth, start of Day, after my vote, after pers hammered, after the thread was re-unlocked, they should be screaming at me their argument, over and over, as to why pers was the person to vote and why it was a dumb vote to make (the generalization that voting fast in lylo is NOT ENOUGH, read my reasoning why, understand it, it's equivalent to having waiting as far as I see.) Still nothing to convince otherwise.

I recommend not playing with grey, really - he will self-vote as town too, he did so towards the end of 23p game that had gone on for months, when he potentially had a vig. shot to use that could have made a huge influence in the game, he just gave up because he couldn't combat the push on him, more than gave up. THAT is game-throwing shit there if anything is, and more anti wincon play, which I've seen him do more than that and here too.

lallaaa, anyway!

*breathes*

looking forward to checking out scumchat

[Persivul]

He did his research, made a choice, and it was wrong. He could have farted around for a week, but he would have gotten to the same place. I looked townier than Iso. Why do you think no one cared about your case for iso!town based on roles? They were at L-1 on D1 and again on D3, and at L-2 D4 before the gladiate.

p-edit: this is in response to shaz's last post

[Desperado]

Excellent work Pers, you rocked.

[Clumsy]

I woke up with a startle in the night realizing I didn't thank clumsy, blah! (I didn't get up to do it I did decide to wait until I actually woke)

clumsy! your setup and flavor were excellent!!! I love your games, hopefully you love them too and keep making them!!!

D&D vampires, literary witches, what's next? re-animated corpses???!!!

Thank you, and thanks Persivul. I'm glad the game was enjoyable. And actual Dreal, that's EXACTLY what it might be.

[Clumsy]

With all the blamethrowing I forgot to say:

Thanks Clumsy for another great game!

Very interesting setup. If the vig and SK hadn't died so early this could have been a very different game.

I was fully expecting a short game with these, making things really hectic and confusing with who did what, causing more paranoia. But oh well! PTs will be released shortly.

[drealmerz7]

And actual Dreal, that's EXACTLY what it might be.

I thought a few good hard minutes about what really made the most sense, tried to "feel" you out! whatever it is, I'm looking forward to it!!!

[Shaziro]

And actual Dreal, that's EXACTLY what it might be.

I thought a few good hard minutes about what really made the most sense, tried to "feel" you out! whatever it is, I'm looking forward to it!!!

Those few minutes are the downside of not having the same brain as Clumsy. It is both a blessing and a curse.

[Clumsy]

Dead Thread
Isomorphic Hydra PT
Witch PT
Mod PT

[Andrius]