Mini 1884 Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Mafia (Game Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless

See this.
I thought scum had day kills everyday so you think I am being crazy for thinking scum can force a lynch?

You just can't do set up spec then if you think scum would ever have day kills everyday in a 13p mini

2 day kills is already absurd beyond belief. At the point of town on day 2 (which I'd never live to because I'd automatically eat a day shot) I would just not try to setup spec.

[mhsmith0]

his role...should've been enough alone

The setup made no sense to begin with....
I think your biased since you knew who was town.
His play wasn't townie imo.

Scum have day vigs and then someone claims to be able to kill at the end of the day aswell? There is 0 way that is scum EVER

Pretty much. Heaven help scum if their early shots are on vts (the downside of rolling the dice w an early TTH shot is they cant execute a pr claim... tho the day doc could SCREW the scum w a save after a role claim late day, an entirely conceivable outcome); just be sheer numbers town can claim roles, and mechancially POE scum if scum don't hit mainly PRs early. PLUS there's an oracle (who is VERY strong if NOT claimed), a friendly neighbor, etc. a less swingy game makes town power more limited and takes away one or both scum vigs. This was high power on both sides, high inherent swing. I hold that it was reasonably balanced and interesting as a setup.

[Firebringer]

That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless

See this.
I thought scum had day kills everyday so you think I am being crazy for thinking scum can force a lynch?

You just can't do set up spec then if you think scum would ever have day kills everyday in a 13p mini

.......

I am part of the normal review group and have reviewed plenty of games....

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

And I stand by my claim that this setup is won 8/10ish times by scum. There is some horrific underestimation of the power of choosing the kills by people.

[Firebringer]

Like when I analyzed this game and tried to do setup spec it wasn't from a balanced perspective.
Cause I didn't think it was.

[MariaR]

This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....

[mhsmith0]

It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.

That part is a valid objection. I felt really bad for TTH when she was just dead right off the bat. That part I do regret fwiw.

[Firebringer]

I don't think this game is as bad as RC is claiming but yeah not balanced.
I had fun at points and appreciate for dunnstral for running it.
Scum did overall a decent job.
I wish Town stepped up their game.

[MariaR]

Like when I analyzed this game and tried to do setup spec it wasn't from a balanced perspective.
Cause I didn't think it was.

That's your fault.

[Firebringer]

This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....

Stop insulting me.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.

That part is a valid objection. I felt really bad for TTH when she was just dead right off the bat. That part I do regret fwiw.

I guarantee you that you are underestimating the power of the dayvig if you don't agree with me this setup is inherently scumsided.

[MariaR]

I think you're just bias did the vigs help? Yes but scum got voted very rarely this game at all both your wagons were on town at the end of day 3 we outplayed the town end of story

[MariaR]

This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....

Stop insulting me.

Stop trying to discredit the win then lol I hate people who do that

[RadiantCowbells]

Just look through how many games where town started off strong, lost their core players and were left with the uninvested people and those with bad reads and got stomped.
Maria you got voted very rarely because you got rid of the people who would have voted you. You can't just like pretend that didn't happen

Stop trying to discredit the win then lol I hate people who do that

I wasn't in this game and I don't mean to discredit your play and I think town play was such that in a balanced setup, unless TTH brought her A game then town would have lost.
That said the game was scum sided. And I say this more as a warning to people never to put scum day 1 dayvigs in their games ever and to be very wary of putting extra kills on scum.

[Dunnstral]

It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.

Yeah I realize this

[RadiantCowbells]

Keep in mind that winning this game only required neither of you guys to be in the 3 scummiest people in the game. That's all you had to do to win mechanically.

[MariaR]

I think the only person we killed that was voting scum was TTH am I wrong?

[Nahdia]

to be fair, town woulda had another mislynch if the angel had targeted town.

[Firebringer]

This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....

Stop insulting me.

Stop trying to discredit the win then lol I hate people who do that

I am not I just said the game had flaws.
I said scum played well multiple times friend

[mhsmith0]

It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.

That part is a valid objection. I felt really bad for TTH when she was just dead right off the bat. That part I do regret fwiw.

I guarantee you that you are underestimating the power of the dayvig if you don't agree with me this setup is inherently scumsided.

I think that scum had a lot of power. But I also think TOWN had a lot of power and a lot of ways to win. Towns combined power was a LOT for a mini, especially with only two scum. Scum needed substantial power to counteract it. MAYBE there should have been a bit more for town to help, but it's hard to model balance when the 3p picked scum AND towns #1 power role was outed day one AND the oracle (a potentially nasty trap for scum day vig shots) outed unnecessarily AND the friendly neighbor was shot early AND towns best player was killed early d1 (ok that part was predictable fwiw). Lotta things happened that helped scum and hurt town, many of which might not happen on a theory reroll.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think the only person we killed that was voting scum was TTH am I wrong?

I'm not discrediting you I'm saying that your win condition was fairly easy to fulfill with all of the shots that you had.

[MariaR]

I think the only person we killed that was voting scum was TTH am I wrong?

I'm not discrediting you I'm saying that your win condition was fairly easy to fulfill with all of the shots that you had.

Okay fair I think you're wrong on the second half but that's a fair view point

[Almost50]

Unsubscribing. Once again, Thank you Dunn for my specific role, and many thanks to Nahdia for living up to my expectations.

[Nahdia]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Almost50. I figured you picked me for my survivability. Glad I was able to cinch it out for ya~