2 day kills is already absurd beyond belief. At the point of town on day 2 (which I'd never live to because I'd automatically eat a day shot) I would just not try to setup spec.In post 1924, MariaR wrote:You just can't do set up spec then if you think scum would ever have day kills everyday in a 13p miniIn post 1922, Firebringer wrote:See this.In post 1920, RadiantCowbells wrote:That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless
I thought scum had day kills everyday so you think I am being crazy for thinking scum can force a lynch?
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Pretty much. Heaven help scum if their early shots are on vts (the downside of rolling the dice w an early TTH shot is they cant execute a pr claim... tho the day doc could SCREW the scum w a save after a role claim late day, an entirely conceivable outcome); just be sheer numbers town can claim roles, and mechancially POE scum if scum don't hit mainly PRs early. PLUS there's an oracle (who is VERY strong if NOT claimed), a friendly neighbor, etc. a less swingy game makes town power more limited and takes away one or both scum vigs. This was high power on both sides, high inherent swing. I hold that it was reasonably balanced and interesting as a setup.In post 1918, MariaR wrote:
Scum have day vigs and then someone claims to be able to kill at the end of the day aswell? There is 0 way that is scum EVERIn post 1913, Firebringer wrote:
The setup made no sense to begin with....In post 1908, MariaR wrote:his role...should've been enough alone
I think your biased since you knew who was town.
His play wasn't townie imo.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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.......In post 1924, MariaR wrote:
You just can't do set up spec then if you think scum would ever have day kills everyday in a 13p miniIn post 1922, Firebringer wrote:
See this.In post 1920, RadiantCowbells wrote:That's from an informed POV Maria. If scum already had 2 daykills I would have replaced out and failing that would just entirely ignore setup spec because setup speccing in a game with 2 scum dayvigs is pointless
I thought scum had day kills everyday so you think I am being crazy for thinking scum can force a lynch?
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Like when I analyzed this game and tried to do setup spec it wasn't from a balanced perspective.
Cause I didn't think it was.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
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This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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That part is a valid objection. I felt really bad for TTH when she was just dead right off the bat. That part I do regret fwiw.In post 1928, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I don't think this game is as bad as RC is claiming but yeah not balanced.
I had fun at points and appreciate for dunnstral for running it.
Scum did overall a decent job.
I wish Town stepped up their game.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
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That's your fault.In post 1930, Firebringer wrote:Like when I analyzed this game and tried to do setup spec it wasn't from a balanced perspective.
Cause I didn't think it was.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Stop insulting me.In post 1931, MariaR wrote:This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
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I guarantee you that you are underestimating the power of the dayvig if you don't agree with me this setup is inherently scumsided.In post 1932, mhsmith0 wrote:
That part is a valid objection. I felt really bad for TTH when she was just dead right off the bat. That part I do regret fwiw.In post 1928, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- MariaR
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I think you're just bias did the vigs help? Yes but scum got voted very rarely this game at all both your wagons were on town at the end of day 3 we outplayed the town end of storyI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Stop trying to discredit the win then lol I hate people who do thatIn post 1935, Firebringer wrote:
Stop insulting me.In post 1931, MariaR wrote:This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Just look through how many games where town started off strong, lost their core players and were left with the uninvested people and those with bad reads and got stomped.
Maria you got voted very rarely because you got rid of the people who would have voted you. You can't just like pretend that didn't happen
I wasn't in this game and I don't mean to discredit your play and I think town play was such that in a balanced setup, unless TTH brought her A game then town would have lost.Stop trying to discredit the win then lol I hate people who do that
That said the game was scum sided. And I say this more as a warning to people never to put scum day 1 dayvigs in their games ever and to be very wary of putting extra kills on scum.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- Dunnstral
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Yeah I realize thisIn post 1928, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.- RadiantCowbells
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I am not I just said the game had flaws.In post 1938, MariaR wrote:
Stop trying to discredit the win then lol I hate people who do thatIn post 1935, Firebringer wrote:
Stop insulting me.In post 1931, MariaR wrote:This was a pretty easy game to set up spec once you see scum have 2 day vigs lol if you thought there was a 3rd.....
I said scum played well multiple times friendShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
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I think that scum had a lot of power. But I also think TOWN had a lot of power and a lot of ways to win. Towns combined power was a LOT for a mini, especially with only two scum. Scum needed substantial power to counteract it. MAYBE there should have been a bit more for town to help, but it's hard to model balance when the 3p picked scum AND towns #1 power role was outed day one AND the oracle (a potentially nasty trap for scum day vig shots) outed unnecessarily AND the friendly neighbor was shot early AND towns best player was killed early d1 (ok that part was predictable fwiw). Lotta things happened that helped scum and hurt town, many of which might not happen on a theory reroll.In post 1936, RadiantCowbells wrote:
I guarantee you that you are underestimating the power of the dayvig if you don't agree with me this setup is inherently scumsided.In post 1932, mhsmith0 wrote:
That part is a valid objection. I felt really bad for TTH when she was just dead right off the bat. That part I do regret fwiw.In post 1928, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's not just that it's imbalanced it's cancer. What fun is it to roll town and then end up dead before you can even contribute to a single fucking lynch.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I'm not discrediting you I'm saying that your win condition was fairly easy to fulfill with all of the shots that you had.In post 1942, MariaR wrote:I think the only person we killed that was voting scum was TTH am I wrong?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- MariaR
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Okay fair I think you're wrong on the second half but that's a fair view pointIn post 1946, RadiantCowbells wrote:
I'm not discrediting you I'm saying that your win condition was fairly easy to fulfill with all of the shots that you had.In post 1942, MariaR wrote:I think the only person we killed that was voting scum was TTH am I wrong?I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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