Mini 1906 - It's An Owners Market Blitz (Game Over)

[Prism]

Prism, what happened to your Socrates push? Why do you suddenly feel like RC is better than Socrates? Because of the wagon presence on RC?

I got a no visit on him last night. I don't think it clears him but it's better than nothing.

I still really just want Desperado. There was 0 reason to not bet $500 earlier if he was going to anyway as he claims. If the game isn't over I guarantee that whatever he bet on is going to be hidden.

[Regfan]

Oversoul, the Vanilla Townie has died.

[Regfan]

Lynch Vote Count 4.3

RedCoyote (4):

Desperado, Albert B. Rampage, Infinity 324, Prism

Albert B. Rampage (1):

RedCoyote

Not Voting (1):

Socrates

Day Ends in (expired on 2017-05-21 21:00:00). Please submit your bids inside your QT in bold. Please remember bidding is no longer allowed within the last 10 minutes of the day phase. All funds still held after today will be rendered useless.

[Oversoul]

Nah!

[Regfan]

RedCoyote, the Vanilla Townie was lynched Day Four.

Desperado, the Vanilla Townie has been endgamed.
Albert B. Rampage, the Vanilla Townie has been endgamed.
Infinity 324, the Vanilla Townie has been endgamed.

Mafia Faction of Prism, Socrates and Gamma Emerald have won the game!

[Regfan]

Partial Modding QT
Dead / Spectators PT
Will Reveal Mafia QT if the mafia team are okay with it.

D1 Bids;

Gamma bids $25 on JK
Gamma bids $25 on Commuter
Gamma bids $25 on Tracker
Gamma bids $25 on Neighborizer
Woodyboys2339 bids $10 on Neighborizer
Albert bids $301 on Jailkeeper x 1
Gamma increases his bid to $100 on Tracker x 1
Woodboys2339 bids $301 on Jailkeeper x 1
Elena Fisher bids $150 on Neighbourizer x 1
Momo Bids $351 on Neighbourizer x 1 (WINNING BID)
Gerryoat Bids $20 on Jailkeeer x 1
Infinity bids $1 on Jailkeeer x 1
Infinity bids $1 on Commuter x 1
Infinity bids $1 on Tracker x 1
Infinity bids $1 on Neighborizer x 1
Infinity bids $301 on Commuter x 1 (WINNING BID)
Gerryoat Bids $20 on Commuter x 1
Gerryoat Bids $20 on Tracker x 1
Gerryoat Bids $20 on Neighborizer x 1
Vecna bids $123 on Jailkeeer x 1
Vecna bids $123 on Commuter x 1
Vecna bids $127 on Tracker x 1
Vecna bids $126 on Neighborizer x 1
RedCoyote bids $311 on Tracker x 1 (WINNING BID)
Gamma increases his bid to $350 on Jailkeeper x 1 (WINNING BID)

D2 Bids

ABR bits $303 on Hitman x1 (WINNING BID)
Gamma bid $35 on all items available
Infinity bid $51 on Doctor x 1
Elena bid $250 on Doctor x 2 (WINNING BID)
GerryOat bids $60 on both Doctor x 1 & Doctor x 2
RedCoyote bids $101 on Doctor x 1
Infinity bids $52 on Doctor x 2 & Gravedigger x 2
Prism bids $240 on Doctor x2
Prism bids $110 on Doctor x1 (WINNING BID)
Prism bids $80 on Gravedigger x 2 (WINNING BID)

[Oversoul]

Yeah I'm trash at this game, lol.
At least Mafia had the grace to Daykill me.

Also, how did Tywin's auction selections go so haywire?

[Regfan]

Yeah I'm trash at this game, lol.

Wouldn't say that at all, you replaced into a fairly doomed situation; nearly no one townies were playing to win, or at all.

Also, how did Tywin's auction selections go so haywire?

He lied about what he actually put up inside the thread, he did enhance daykill; claimed he enhanced Bodyguard in the thread which...wasn't a role in the game.

Will post most of thoughts about this game later tonight as well as night actions etc but this was a case of scum massively outplaying the town at both the mechanics and the scumhunting aspects of the game; town lacked someone to really take control and push it in the right direction and overall lacked cohesion. No lynching was the obvious move today.

[Oversoul]

Thanks for letting me play, Regfan. I would have enjoyed being in this game earlier I think.
One of the worst towns ever to ruin such a cool concept. C'est la vie.

Good game, Prism!

[Albert B. Rampage]

How could Tywin not grasp the simple concept that he has starting cash of 500 and scum have 800 so they would win any bid?

This game was much less fun because scum had too much money. Would have been better if we could outbid scum. Giving them daykill and ninja etc. Makes them too OP.

[Infinity 324]

If I had done shit at the end we could've won

Sorry guys

[Prism]

I'll have my thoughts up sometime tomorrow.

[gerryoat]

idk why socrates was not lynched when he was obvious partners with gamma, but w/e

gg, mafia!

[Albert B. Rampage]

idk why socrates was not lynched when he was obvious partners with gamma, but w/e

gg, mafia!

why weren't you more active then?

[gerryoat]

wut?? lol i died because i led on gamma

[Oversoul]

It's funny. I scumRead ABR for talking mechanic Iva, but townRead Prism for talking mechanics simply because of the difference in style. :/ If there had been one more day (and I was not Day killed), I think I would have been able to catch Prism. The daykill on me immediately pointed to her, in my opinion. That would have held true for anyone else's death too.

[gerryoat]

gamma and soc are both mafia. but gamma needs to go first.

Infinity says they don't read like SvS. You disagree. I'm with Infinity on this one. Care to try and persuade me?

Yeah, I think gamma is scum and i think towards the end of yesterday he was trying to lay the groundwork of a bus. But, I'm not too confident in Soc. Which is why I would much rather flip gamma, since that's the basis of my Soc read.

Soc and Gamma realize they need to push on momo for the ML. nice.

[Albert B. Rampage]

the bids are pathetic, guys

[RedCoyote]

The way the lynch pivoted from Socrates to Gamma did a lot to help him, I think. Though him ducking out today probably should've been a red flag, in retrospect. It's hard to say who I would've voted had I not been wagonned, but I can't imagine a scenario where I would've voted for Prism outside of LYLO.

Again, and I hate to lay it

all

at the feet of Tywin, I think letting the NK come up in the marketplace was extremely short-sighted. It really broke my heart to vote Tywin as I had a solid town read on him, but I just didn't (and still don't) get why the NK had to come up. I get that he made a big show of wanting the NK in the market on D1, but I figured that was more of a show so that scum wouldn't kill him or something like that.

Thank you for modding, Reg. I'm sorry it was such a one-sided victory.

[RedCoyote]

And another thing, I do think Prism played very well. Congrats are in order there. Socrates and Gamma both did a fine job as well.

[Prism]

Daykill was completely random. The game was over. Were it to be optimal it would have been used on Infinity.

Gerry died over Infinity for several reasons but 1. Had Soc in addition to Gamma 2. Likely had a full wallet or tracker 3. Obviously town post-Gamma flip and less likely doc target than Infinity 4. Infinity townread me

My saving of Socrates pointed out by Tywin was both unintentional and a gigantic misplay brought about by my poor state at the time. Completely accidental that it set momo to be lynched, was absolutely not what I was going for. I was incredibly upset I messed that up. My push of Socrates was meant to clear me/him regardless of which of us flipped first. I'd be explained as trying to save Gamma, or as having passed up shoving one scum for another, and guessing that it was both me/Socrates would have been incredibly difficult...until I accidentally put momo as the top vote and ruined it.

@Oversoul: Stylistic choice on discussion of mechanics was intentional. I was very sure to balance the actual scumhunting aspects appropriately. If you picked up on this intentionality then it'd be useful, but that kind of depth accuracy is practically impossible. It's just that mechanics are very null.

I appreciate the comments on my play-I had a lot of fun and am grateful that you think I did so well.

That said there were some

astounding

misplays from both sides here, including me. Town really should have never lost this game. My accidental bids on both Ninja and Tracker x2 were devastating, and I immediately thought I had lost the game. It should have been extremely easy to catch me in the lie there. Why is Tracker hidden if scum didn't go for it? Why did I split the way I claimed to? Why did I bid $302 on Ninja when I acknowledged optimal town bid is $301? (Ie. Would be denying townbids, not scum ones) Socrates was easily provably mafia by way of not having the funds he claimed, and I'd be in near mechanical autoloss. Bonus that I fucked up with claiming the Socrates no visit track.

I was scared shitless of someone, particularly Desp, having bet more than $198 on Tracker x2 and catching me in a lie. Nope, no one did.

[Prism]

I also noticed the Tywin bodyguard claim but figured he meant bulletproof, and even if he didn't I wasn't going to be the one to give him an opening at telling the truth.

[Prism]

I also have the exact opposite thoughts of ABR. Town had a huge advantage mechanically. The bids themselves are investigative, serving to clear some players while damning others. Ex. Socrates didn't have as much as he claimed, momo essentially cleared himself with the high neighborizer bid.

Town also literally had double the money of scum. Plenty of money to go around. $5000 vs. $2400. Town figured out that all of them bidding $301 meant that we couldn't do shit without being caught in a lie later (Scun can only win one power each for $301 before the numbers stop adding up).

Even if the goal was just to deny us the daykill, with 0 other benefits (again of which there were several) hardly any of the town was following the clear optimal bidding strategy and just dying with full wallets, instead letting me hoard all of the powers. Doctor, Bulletproof, etc. all had potential to negate the ML lost via daykill. Desperado had the chance to half clear himsefl in MyLo and

didn't do it

and called scumreading it "silly". This isn't even going into Tywin boosting Daykill and lying, or not buying Ninja. Ironically my bidding mishap actually made that last part turn out okay.

Regfan explicitly stated that town could NL, but not only did ABR misinterpret it,

no other town caught it

. Both scum did. I said it in the scum PT but that last day was so apathetic and such a throw. Oversoul was too pure for that cruel world.

[Nachomamma8]

I also have the exact opposite thoughts of ABR. Town had a huge advantage mechanically. The bids themselves are investigative, serving to clear some players while damning others. Ex. Socrates didn't have as much as he claimed, momo essentially cleared himself with the high neighborizer bid.

Agreed, also played this setup as scum and come away thinking that the mechanical advantage certainly lies with town.

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL
I was accused of having less effort when this town had little effort to go around