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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:46 pm

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End of Day Votecount
TinityNZ - 2 (Dunnstral, Ankamius)

Dunnstral - 1 (TrinityNZ)

3 to lynch.
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:47 pm

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TrinityNZ
,
Vanilla Townie
,
Lynched D6
.
Spoiler: Role PM
SirCakez/MagnaofIllusion/TrinityNZ, Vanilla Townie
SirCakez
MagnaofIllusion
TrinityNZ
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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<<< A win condition has been triggered! >>>


Ankamius
,
Vanilla Townie
,
Endgamed D6
.
Dunnstral
,
Mafia
Encryptor
,
survived and won
.

Mafia
Win!


Succinct Mafia
has now concluded;
all players
(/spectators)
may now talk freely.


Postgame content (game topics, roles, night actions, etc.) to follow.
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:56 pm

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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:58 pm

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:

Pine, Mafia Goon
Pine
, you are a
Mafia Goon
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
Factional Abilities
  1. Mafia topic.
  2. Kokichi Oma
    MafMen
    Jingle
    (
    Goon
    ) and
    Dunnstral
    (
    Encryptor
    ) are your partners.
  3. During Night, select a mafiate; select a player. Named mafiate attempts a kill on target player.
  4. Vanilla Townie role PM:
    Pine
    , you are a
    Vanilla Townie
    .
    You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
    You win if all
    mafia
    are dead.

    Game thread.
    Confirm role via PM.
  5. If desired, formatting for any specific Investigative/Protective PR is available on request.
You win if all
town
die.

Game thread.
Confirm role via PM.


SirCakez/MagnaofIllusion/TrinityNZ, Vanilla Townie
SirCakez
MagnaofIllusion
TrinityNZ
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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Hiraki, Vanilla Townie
Hiraki
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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TheFuzzyLogic99, Town Cop
TheFuzzyLogic99
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Town
Cop
.
You may talk and vote during Day. During Night, you may target a player. Possible results: "
Town
"; "
Scum
"; "
No Result
".
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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Dunnstral, Mafia Encryptor
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, you are a
Mafia
Encryptor
.
You may talk and vote during Day. As long as you live, Daytalk is enabled.
Factional Abilities
  1. Mafia topic.
  2. Pine
    (
    Goon
    ) and
    Kokichi Oma
    MafMen
    Jingle
    (
    Goon
    ) are your partners.
  3. During Night, select a mafiate; select a player. Named mafiate attempts a kill on target player.
  4. Vanilla Townie role PM:
    Dunnstral
    , you are a
    Vanilla Townie
    .
    You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
    You win if all
    mafia
    are dead.

    Game thread.
    Confirm role via PM.
  5. If desired, formatting for any specific Investigative/Protective PR is available on request.
You win if all
town
die.

Game thread.
Confirm role via PM.


Kokichi Oma/MafMen/Jingle, Mafia Goon
Kokichi Oma
MafMen
Jingle
, you are a
Mafia Goon
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
Factional Abilities
  1. Mafia topic.
  2. Pine
    (
    Goon
    ) and
    Dunnstral
    (
    Encryptor
    ) are your partners.
  3. During Night, select a mafiate; select a player. Named mafiate attempts a kill on target player.
  4. Vanilla Townie role PM:
    Kokichi Oma
    MafMen
    Jingle
    , you are a
    Vanilla Townie
    .
    You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
    You win if all
    mafia
    are dead.

    Game thread.
    Confirm role via PM.
  5. If desired, formatting for any specific Investigative/Protective PR is available on request.
You win if all
town
die.

Game thread.
Confirm role via PM.


Momrangal, Vanilla Townie
Momrangal
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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TheBrie/MathBlade, Vanilla Townie
TheBrie
MathBlade
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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EeveeLution Army, Town Jailkeeper
EeveeLution Army
, you are a .
You may talk and vote during Day. During Night, you may target a player. They will be protected from harm and prevented from acting.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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ArcAngel9, Vanilla Townie
ArcAngel9
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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Wisdom, Vanilla Townie
Wisdom
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
Confirm role via PM.


LuckyOtter, Vanilla Townie
LuckyOtter
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
Confirm role via PM.


havingfitz/Umlaut, Vanilla Townie
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Umlaut
, you are a
Vanilla Townie
.
You may talk and vote during Day, but have no powers.
You win if all
mafia
are dead.

Game thread.
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:59 pm

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Night Actions
:

Night Actions N1:

EeveeLution Army JKs Wisdom
Dunnstral kills Momrangal

Night Actions N2:

Dunnstral kills Umlaut

Night Actions N3:

Jingle kills Wisdom

Night Actions N4:

Dunnstral kills LuckyOtter

Night Actions N5:

Dunnstral kills MathBlade
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 9:05 pm

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I feel bad about going off the rail and getting lynched. I not sure why I claimed why i claim other than just frustration, I didnt think out my action. I let yall down.
Hope town can forgive me
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:05 pm

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I'm sorry guys

I felt it would've been cruel to both Trinity and Dunnstral regardless of alignment for me to replace out with the type of situation the game ended up in, but my general motivation towards the game overall basically destroyed my ability to analyze it like I should have. I did skim through the entire thread while I had the motivation to do that much, but... :/

One thing I will mention is that I did oversell my Hiraki scumread by a good amount, I actually wasn't very convinced about a Hiraki scumflip at all. I mainly pushed it through both because it's easy to towncase myself making that move as well as removes the biggest distraction from hitting 3p LyLo. I was expecting to use the nightkill as a scumhunting tool mainly to sort Mathblade, so it was... kind of weird to see that he died.

Either way, this was a fun novelty mechanic, even if the most fun part about it was breaking every single rule the same post that I made the hammer vote. I'm disappointed that there weren't a bunch of infraction posts before the flip :(
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:11 pm

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I also had it in my head for some reason that the Mathblade kill was an inexperience tell even though the grounds for that assumption are kind of nonexistent in a Jingle+Pine scumteam game

like I used it as a reaction test and then started actually believing it

???
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:13 pm

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Clearly ank should be force replaced and the game put on hold while mastina finds someone willing to replace into a post game.

Also if you read this lycan you definitely shouldn’t count this as a win.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:03 am

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I can't even remember my reads from this game aaaaa
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:13 am

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Yay we won. Sorry about my ridiculous mistake.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:43 am

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By the way, the reason that the setup was scumsided:
Cop JK Goonx3, no daytalk, is a balanced setup as an Open, and has been run before.
As a Closed, that same setup (still lacking daytalk) required a town 1x BP to be balanced.

This game was a semiopen, with scum having announced daytalk; this gave them an edge.

I'd rate Scum's chances at around the 60% mark, give or take 5%: not horrendously scumsided, but still favoring them.

Thus, my warning to the players.
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:48 am

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And also Pine was scum. :P
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:02 am

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In post 1379, TrinityNZ wrote:I meant your strategy for this particular part of the game. I note you haven’t answered my question Dunn.
FWIW, my strategy for how to play LYLO as town is to vote for obvscum, and if there isn't obvscum vote for whoever I would feel most bad losing to. At least that way, if I lose I have the consolation of being legitimately outplayed. It also prevents stagnation and a deadline lynch, which is usually more likely to be on me than a non deadline lynch.

From that point, (knowing a conftown or having already lost) it's pretty easy to make a case and try to convince the town player to go along with me. Just play the ISO game and talk exclusively to the person you know is town. If the other player raises a point worth addressing, say why it is wrong as succinctly as possible, and get back to trying to get them lynched. You know they're scum, so you have the best chance of being able to figure out what proves that. Of course, the reason I made it to LYLO as town was probably because my reads were super bad that game and I'm probably going to lose the LYLO, but being proactive is always a good start. The big thing to take away from it is to always learn something from your completed games. As long as you improve your play in the future you're doing the right thing.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:46 am

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By the way, the "no deadlines, players control prods" mechanic of this game will become an official ruleset I publish once I stop slacking off. :P

I have plans to use it in my next Mini, and to give players the choice during pregame in the Mini after THAT on whether to use it, or my more standard rules.

If it goes well, I may offer that choice to players in ALL future games of mine.
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 1413, Jingle wrote:
In post 1379, TrinityNZ wrote:I meant your strategy for this particular part of the game. I note you haven’t answered my question Dunn.
FWIW, my strategy for how to play LYLO as town is to vote for obvscum, and if there isn't obvscum vote for whoever I would feel most bad losing to. At least that way, if I lose I have the consolation of being legitimately outplayed. It also prevents stagnation and a deadline lynch, which is usually more likely to be on me than a non deadline lynch.

From that point, (knowing a conftown or having already lost) it's pretty easy to make a case and try to convince the town player to go along with me. Just play the ISO game and talk exclusively to the person you know is town. If the other player raises a point worth addressing, say why it is wrong as succinctly as possible, and get back to trying to get them lynched. You know they're scum, so you have the best chance of being able to figure out what proves that. Of course, the reason I made it to LYLO as town was probably because my reads were super bad that game and I'm probably going to lose the LYLO, but being proactive is always a good start. The big thing to take away from it is to always learn something from your completed games. As long as you improve your play in the future you're doing the right thing.
Thanks Jingle. You’re right. As soon as Anka didn’t immediately vote for me after Dunn had, I knew that Anka was town. I should have made a more compelling case than ‘Dunn must be scum because he hasn’t done much’.
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:37 am

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Ey I was right about pine
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:32 pm

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In post 1414, mastina wrote:By the way, the "no deadlines, players control prods" mechanic of this game will become an official ruleset I publish once I stop slacking off. :P

I have plans to use it in my next Mini, and to give players the choice during pregame in the Mini after THAT on whether to use it, or my more standard rules.

If it goes well, I may offer that choice to players in ALL future games of mine.
This game seemed like it dragged too much to work, except for the days with obvious scum.

Also the prod thing will need a special case to deal with when everyone is inactive, which happened on the last Day.
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:07 am

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I don't really know whether the dragging out bit was a flaw of the rules, but rather of the game. By which I mean, as a playerlist we could have been more engaged. I do think the rules will probably work best with shorter games though, particularly those with additional killing roles (vigs, serial killers, suiciding N0 Innocent Children), to push additional discussion to the front. And LAL is definitely worth pursuing with this ruleset.

A possibility for the prod fix, which I agree is a problem, would be something like if no one has posted for 48 hours, a deadline is automatically instituted.

I look forward to someone trying to use this ruleset for a Greatest Idea game though.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:51 am

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I tried being active I just sucked. Only good thing I did was find a Jingle tell

Other than that I read a certain issue that shall not be named WRONG and then that spiraled.

I am sorry to town I am trying to get better.
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:51 am

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Gg to all
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:12 pm

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In post 1419, MathBlade wrote:Jingle tell
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:57 pm

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I bet Maria is scum this game
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