Mini 579 - The Plagues of Egypt Mafia - Over

[lord_hur]

If we discuss the setup, it will give the scum more information than we want them to have. It's best to keep them guessing about these things as much as we can.

I was thinking it would help town, so the lynch is not a shot in the dark... Maybe not though

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

Not that it does much damage either way but at this stage of the game it has no use. I have my own private thoughts about these things especialy the food but it is of no benifit to speculate on these things yet.

[lord_hur]

Not that it does much damage either way but at this stage of the game it has no use. I have my own private thoughts about these things especialy the food but it is of no benifit to speculate on these things yet.

Then if it is neutral to town, why would you FoS me (vote me even, if I wasn't at L-3 already) over it ?

Well anyway, unless someone objects to thevampireofdusseldorf's statements, I will shut up about this whole roles thing.

[HackerHuck]

Vote: Mr Stoofer

I've always wanted to do that

[Singing Librarian]

lord_hur, I would say that private speculation is good, but until we have a bit more information than we currently have (seeing the results of actions, etc), it is best not to speculate in the actual game thread itself. Any information the town has that can be kept from scum is best kept from them until it can be put together to form a firmer theory. For example, it's possible scum are thinking "what's this food thing they're going on about" - more details could give them more power.

[Mr Stoofer]

The following quotes make me think that lord_hur knows more about this setup than the rest of us (or at least: more than me).

Well, I have the feeling, because of this rule and this food system, which implies that there are several types, that this will be a very complicated game

No pity for us newbies

Also, with 10 plagues (so I assume, 10 nights) and 12 players, the probability of at least one resurrect role is pretty strong.

I wonder how our lunch will come into play? Maybe "XXX is dead and there are pancakes everywhere!" I just picked pancakes at random, it isn't mine, who has pancakes for lunch, anyways?

I was thinking about a poisoner role, who can poison one type of food, maybe with a delay on the death.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

FoS:Mr Stoofer

for trying to add more weight to an already suspicion laden person. Not that there is anything wrong with that if the suspicion is merited but I am enjoying HoSsing and FoSsing at the moment in fact more so than voting.
Perhaps instead of a random voting stage there could be a random HoS 'n' FoS stage.

[Mr Stoofer]

FoS:Mr Stoofer

for trying to add more weight to an already suspicion laden person. Not that there is anything wrong with that if the suspicion is merited...

unvote: lord_hur
vote: thevampireofdussledorf

You gave lord_hur a "HoS" back in post 19, so you obviously think he is suspicious, but when I express suspicion of him, that earns me a "FoS".

Also, why is my suspicion not merited?

[lord_hur]

The following quotes make me think that lord_hur knows more about this setup than the rest of us (or at least: more than me).

I think I know what you're refering to and there's a good explanation, but I guess I can't give it without getting more FoS... this IS public info though.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

Careful or that might turn into a HoS.
Obviously my quirky logic outshines my humour.

[Mr Stoofer]

Please answer my question.

[lord_hur]

Please answer my question.

What did you think, he ignored mine too...

[lord_hur]

Oh also, could anyone tell me what's the difference between HoS and FoS ? The wiki says they're the same thing...

[Mr Stoofer]

They are the same thing. For people who use "HoS", it is supposed to be more serious than a "FoS". But I think "HoS" is stupid.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

@lord_hur
Speculating on roles even if there is no obvious disadvantage to town or obvious advantage to scum I have to see as slightly scummy.

I think I know what you're refering to and there's a good explanation, but I guess I can't give it without getting more FoS... this IS public info though.

If you are town and have an explanation that wont hurt town or help scum then perhaps you should explain. If not your explanation for not explaining is unsatisfactory.

@Mr Stoofer
I deemed the suspicion that was already on lord_hur to be sufficent for his action
I also viewed your overburdening of him with more suspicion suspicious

[Mr Stoofer]

What on earth do you mean "overburdening of him"? What am I supposed to do if I see a player who is behaving suspiciously? Keep quiet about it. What is more, nobody had made the point which I had made so it would have been anti-Town for me not to have mentioned it.

I ask you again: tell me - yes or no - was my suspicion merited?

[lord_hur]

@lord_hur
Speculating on roles even if there is no obvious disadvantage to town or obvious advantage to scum I have to see as slightly scummy.

I think I know what you're refering to and there's a good explanation, but I guess I can't give it without getting more FoS... this IS public info though.

If you are town and have an explanation that wont hurt town or help scum then perhaps you should explain. If not your explanation for not explaining is unsatisfactory.

@Mr Stoofer
I deemed the suspicion that was already on lord_hur to be sufficent for his action
I also viewed your overburdening of him with more suspicion suspicious

Okay, I think the reason Mr Stoofer thinks I know more than him about the setup if that there is extra info in undo's introductory post in the queue thread, including the reference to 10 plagues. So I was thinking maybe he didn't read it.

I don't think pointing to this info can hurt town, but since I've been pretty harshly voted for giving info already...

Thinking back about it though, I still think that info helps both town and scum (for now, I will blame this on my newbness tough, maybe I'll understand later).


About what you said to Mr Stoofer though... Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?

Questioning people for good reasons is an eminently pro-town attitude and should not be denied to anyone.

On the other hand, if you think someone's accusation is undue, it is perfectly fair game to question it. But it is not what you said.

[Musher333]

Wow this game moves quite fastly doesnt it? And @Lord_hur about wanting to be with stoofer its a good point, better people help make you better. (supposedly)

[Mr Stoofer]

Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?

Nothing at all. Anyone can question anyone, as far as I am concerned. I'll answer any questions you have.

I don't understand where you got the idea that I claimed the *exclusive* right to question people.

Okay, I think the reason Mr Stoofer thinks I know more than him about the setup if that there is extra info in undo's introductory post in the queue thread, including the reference to 10 plagues. So I was thinking maybe he didn't read it.

I read the opening post. But I saw no warrant for a resurrection role, or a poisoner. Nor for your assumption that we are going to have a different plague every night.

[Musher333]

Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?

Nothing at all. Anyone can question anyone, as far as I am concerned. I'll answer any questions you have.

I don't understand where you got the idea that I claimed the *exclusive* right to question people.

Okay, I think the reason Mr Stoofer thinks I know more than him about the setup if that there is extra info in undo's introductory post in the queue thread, including the reference to 10 plagues. So I was thinking maybe he didn't read it.

I read the opening post. But I saw no warrant for a resurrection role, or a poisoner. Nor for your assumption that we are going to have a different plague every night.

I agree with you there, surely we are not garunteed 10 nights? most games i have been in last 3.

[lord_hur]

Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?

Nothing at all. Anyone can question anyone, as far as I am concerned. I'll answer any questions you have.

I don't understand where you got the idea that I claimed the *exclusive* right to question people.

Err, I was reacting to thevampireofdusseldorf's post, not yours, as indicates :

- the fact that I quoted his post and not yours ;
- and the "About what you said to Mr Stoofer, though" part, which was right before your quote of my post.

Okay, I think the reason Mr Stoofer thinks I know more than him about the setup if that there is extra info in undo's introductory post in the queue thread, including the reference to 10 plagues. So I was thinking maybe he didn't read it.

I read the opening post. But I saw no warrant for a resurrection role, or a poisoner. Nor for your assumption that we are going to have a different plague every night.

Both roles were basically far-fetched guesses on assumptions I explained when I posted them ; but to clarify even more :

- poisoner : only because that there are food types ; does it get any more far-fetched ?
- resurrector : because there are 10 plagues, and as there was one plague night 0, so I thought maybe 1 plague each night, which means 10 nights planned (which IS stupid, I agree with Musher333). To last 10 nights with 12 players, you'd need a resurrector. But again, 10 nights is stupid, so this entire deduction crumbles.

So both guesses were complete shots in the dark, and most probably wrong.

Wew. I hope I've been clear enough there.

[lord_hur]

Wow this game moves quite fastly doesnt it? And @Lord_hur about wanting to be with stoofer its a good point, better people help make you better. (supposedly)

Yes, I learned a lot by playing with cicero (and, to a lesser extent, Adel, but that was my fault ), more than the other newbie games combined (though Adele was great too)

[undo]

Not voting:

SlySly, thevampireofdusseldorf

With 11 alive, it's

6 to lynch

.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

About what you said to Mr Stoofer though... Please tell me what gives you the *exclusive* right to questioning people ?

Questioning people for good reasons is an eminently pro-town attitude and should not be denied to anyone.

On the other hand, if you think someone's accusation is undue, it is perfectly fair game to question it. But it is not what you said.

If you look at the third quote I didn't really see it as a question, more 3 quotes of yours (a large body of evidence) and an accusation. To me it was trying to push something a bit far. I think most were happy to leave this speculating business alone but Stoofer wanted to bring it to the forefront again and has it help us any more since then?

What on earth do you mean "overburdening of him"? What am I supposed to do if I see a player who is behaving suspiciously? Keep quiet about it. What is more, nobody had made the point which I had made so it would have been anti-Town for me not to have mentioned it.

I ask you again: tell me - yes or no - was my suspicion merited?

Yes and No, I viewed the timing of the post its lay out and tone all to decide if I found it suspicious. Suspicion can be merited but the person placing that suspicion can also be suspicious.

[thevampireofdusseldorf]

Oh I forgot the 3rd quote well here it is;

The following quotes make me think that lord_hur knows more about this setup than the rest of us (or at least: more than me).