NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

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VOTE: HitAlt

The name was just asking to be hit with a vote... so I did.

Hitting Alt a lot can be loud though...
So better VOTE: MagnaofIllusion as a warning to everyone else.
Mechanical keyboards not allowed with a baby in the house!

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I think inferno flails by now if they're scum

...so...
why aren't you voting him?

A very stock answer/quote thrown in an attempt to look townie.
Such a basic thing to ask "then why aren't you voting?"
But it reveals, in fact, that dramonic didn't really read what was said, and went for the appearances instead.
VOTE: Dramonic

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I detect these^^.

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do you think inferno is flailing dram?

..and in fact, this actually gives townpoints to the duck for noting the same thing.

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..or at least the most misguided..

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alright my current vote is boring anyway

VOTE: Rask

Then again..
Why did the duck follow such a bad vote?

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HitAlt can we be friends this game?

If you towntell enough, then sure.
I've never had problem with you, as long as you don't kill people..
And trust me, I'll know if you do!

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I've played with 9/16 players of this game before.
I have solid grasp of maybe three of those, and you are one of them.

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There's a very high chance of me alt-slipping this game though..
But it can't be helped if it happens I guess?

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That duck thought he did too in an Open we just finished.
And I bet he doesn't either.

I don't think I've seen your avatar before?
I usually recognize people from them..

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Played with you or seen you play.
You are one of the few whose nick I remember better than the avatar.

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Actually we lynch dramonic today.
And since brass seems to confirm my read there..good detective work guys, let's wrap it up!

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I mean there's some pretty comfortable theories about who you are.

Where?
Who has the case-file?

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Hitalt have I played with your main btw

I'd say..likely yes.
Or at least I've read a game with you in it.

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I checked Gus, and they seem to often get into arguments.
What pinged me though, was the one who outright called them toxic etc.
It felt like intentional provocation with the aim of getting people to dislike them..
Not sure why but that is how I feel.

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@ausuka, how would you rate/describe your own scum game?
In your own words, don't need to go in depth, but would appreciate more than "I suck" or "I'm good".

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I need to get to posting so that I'm above that 20 post mark.
I'd hate to be under any scrutiny.

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This universally slow pace of posting also means that I might have meta-dived every single one of you by the end of the game.
That is what I tend to do when I'm bored.

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can you teach me how to meta well?

Try to binge-read multiple different games in a row, or simultaneously. It helps when you are getting started with a player you're unfamiliar with since it's easier to notice certain quirks happen in multiple games.
Every time I notice a clear similarity, I'll make a note of it and then try to find a scenario where there's a contradiction.
And then if that contradiction is connected to a different alignment, you just might have a basis for a tell. (or a "metaread" as people like to say)

When you get better at it, you start to notice the similarities and differences in word choices and reactions to certain things almost automatically.
Like for example, I have found two players (shall go unnamed in this game since they are not part of it) who always have the same reaction to being voted themselves

when they are scum.

And apparently they don't realize what they do differently, probably because they think they are acting as they "should" act as town.
So they just keep doing the same thing, and I get more confident every time..

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Dave+SkyGazer+chick.

Please don't N1 kill me so that I can see you all hang.
VOTE: SkyGazer first?

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Oh yeah, Dramonic still fits as a fourth.

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Then you are doing something right.
Not that you normally aren't.

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Sorry, just remembered this. I would describe myself as a pretty bad scum player. I consistently fail to get myself widely townread and usually get vigged or lynched because I guess I'm just bad at genuinely faking a town thought process. However I think I'm more charismatic as scum than town maybe because I sometimes get mislynch bait lynched instead of myself even when I'm really scummy.

Good, honest answer. Very accurate, I'd say.
Not saying you would blatantly lie about it as scum either, but maybe the answer wouldn't be as clear cut about getting mislynches.
Townlean on Ausuka.

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I tried to do a thing. Like a honey thing.
With a scumread who I also thought might be a lynchbait.
So I'd say we lynch there today, and if it flips town, we almost know there's scum in the wagon as of now.

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Interesting.
I added dave to that honeypot of mine mainly to round it up nicely with Chick and Sky. But it seems I had a good hunch there too.
We lynch SkyGrazer today,

and if they flip town

, you just go see my ISO and find the post where I said there's scum already in the wagon.
More or less guaranteed.

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I'm gonna give you some self-meta, calmly and relatively gently.

While I think you are scum here, I also think you wrote this more or less from the heart.

Outside of this game: You have no need to take peoples reads on you personally.
I do not know you on a personal level, but I have seen and played with you enough to say that I really have no trouble believing you are a very honest person.
A person with high moral standards.
I also know it can suck that the sites meta (and the overall direction it might be evolving towards) is not in your favor or to your liking.
I've "lost" many a pastime and community over the years simply because I either couldn't or simply wouldn't adapt to the changes that came with the times.

I'm not sure why I wrote all this, but I hope you don't feel bad about people scumreading you.

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Nah I'm not really feeling a SkyGazer lynch.
Rather lynch you or Rask atm ngl.

You will not lynch me this game - I am doomed to be nightkilled by scum.
Mainly because I intend to catch two or more of them today, and the rest tomorrow if I'm still alive, so they really are on a clock with me.

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[L-9] HitAlt -

There has to be at least one mistake in this votecount because someone just voted me...I think?
No hard feelings if I'm mistaken?

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People also seem to misunderstand me when I say "if Sky flips town".
It's not a backdoor for a mislynch - stupid idea.
I really think the slot is possibly the most obvious scum with or without dramonic, OR THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCHBAIT.

So I bang that jar open, and find certain players by the names of

the worst, brassherald, Ausuka

.
If Sky flips town, I'd eat my hat if there's no scum in this trio.
And no matter how much you can try and say "that makes no sense", I know I'm correct about this.
Duck knows I can metaread him, Ausuka has no idea how much of his games I've already read, and same with brassherald.

So we lynch SkyGrazer today, and when he flips scum all's good.
The one who already voted me for being scummy(??) is their buddy on a red flip..

#StretchOfTheCentury

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At any rate his nonsensical babble about having a team-solve and trying to push that through is, if not scummy, certainly bad play

I'm better at detecting those kind of moves though.
And I do not mind stirring the soup any chance I get because I already have a large spreadsheet brewing..

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Alignment. Alignment. Location.

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I don't case individuals D1.
Also do you guys even know what a honeypot/-trap is?
Also Taly seems to be supahot faiarr!

Dramonic-SkyG are on the other side of the fence, ausuka-TW the other.
Based on the amount that duck has been posting I'd call susp. though..
Might be the fact that it's D1 with a huge amount of players, but it also could be a "spicy scum"-situation, especially if both ausuka and TW are involved.

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I was a bit hasty on that, dramonic fits with duck and ausuka too.
I'm willing to lynch either of dramonic/SkyG.
Taly ensured that the dave-slot gets to live another day. (Still think there's above 50% chance for scum)
Phoneposting and truthtelling.

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I want to hear how that Risk ended..
It's keeping me on the edge of my seat!

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Also, I don't get why you're wanting me to 'live another day' when I'm 50%+ likely to be scum to you...?

Even the best of scum "reveal themselves" if they post enough.
So far you have posted enough..!

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If you don't have enough information to deduce anyone individual as scum then you can not possibly have enough information to team solve. Your process is literally backwards.

I don't case individuals D1 - I notice scummy actions separate from 90% of their posting, because a good scumplayer can be that ~90% consistent with their tone.
But the more they post, or are poked at, the more they reveal.

My initial honeypot consisted of SkyGrazer (first actual scumread)

AND TWO NULLS WITH SLIGHT SCUMLEANS

, to see what happens.
Daves posting after that fitted scum!daves AtE IMo very well.
Simultaneously TW, Ausuka and Brass all jumped on the wagon, which leads me to think there's a "polarization" between the two "camps".
It's not that far fetched really.
And if Sky had been UNIVERSALLY scumread, well then they would likely be pushed through more easily than this.

I'm beginning to feel less like im playing mafia and more like I'm just being pedantic and grumpy at people over theory so I'm gonna rethink my life

It's absolutely normal that people dislike the way I post D1/D2, but when the pieces start to fall to their places and we get a flip or two, those reads suddenly become "obvious" to everyone. And that is not to say I'm always correct, but everyone should be able to see my thought process at the very least.
I know it's my own fault if people dislike my posting, I just hope that people would be more open-minded to my reads even if they dislike the idea on how I got there.
It's still only D1 after all.

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Oh wow.
I was so certain Gus was similar to Derpy Hooves, but thought it was a fact they weren't the same person.

Ausuka has an older alt too which I spotted during my ISO-dive on them..
Their scumrange (and why not town- too) might actually be longer than they say.

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Lol
VOTE: HitAlt

This is easily the worst thing you could do at this point.
Join a wagon on a player we actually should and/or can lynch today.
Whether you like my antics or not I am not scum, and will not be lynched this game. (or on this alt for that matter unless town enjoys trolling)

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I'd love to take a more humorous attitude towards this game, but that is out of my MafiaScum-range..heh.
I tried to joke with that duck one time in sitechat and it was devastatingly sub-par.

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But it looks like the entire wagon comprises of people who didn’t vote flubber. Interesting

This is such a profii way to make an astute observation.

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MOI will be nightkilled this game anyway, no matter if Duck is scum or not.
They seem like a painfully obvious town so far, and they come across like a player who has significant precense as well. They will solve the game if left alive for multiple days.

Duck and ausuka neither have any chance to win this as scum if we really have multiple people with good insights on them.

Elbirn is likely town, and they are propably just annoyed by my posting style (same as with MOI apparently), but I promise all of you that I get easier to digest as the game moves on.

Taly apparently didn't get my point about not wanting them lynched D1, but trying to force my point across is likely not very smart.

There's likely scum in the people currently voting me, not because it's ME, but because I've made myself easy to dislike and therefore to push for a mislynch.
I just can't find the energy to check who they were exactly, but undoubtedly some combination of the people I poked at..go figure.

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Andrius replaced Gus, right?
While a welcome change in many ways, I think their reads were a bit shaky in that catchup.
Also the way they kept building to that "vote HitAlt with me" before reaching Infernos vote on me in their catchup..yea it feels like scum faking it.
I like Andrius the person, but not Andrius the character..! (anyone? know the reference?)

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basically he started out by saying "these three people are the scum team" and as soon as people started to apply, like, any scrutiny at all to the idea of guessing the scum team that early, he was like "ACTUALLY I just think this one person is scum and the other two are scum leans. I made this assertion for Very Smart Reasons"

Last post of my spam for now - this is flawed.
Go check the situation and posting around my accused backpedaling.
My honeypot got very mild scrutiny and critique towards it in the start, and I actually got three votes on SkyG before I revealed why I had done what I did.
Now tell me this:

why would I "backpedal" on those "faked scumreads" as scum?

It would only fit if I was scum WITH Sky, and was afraid that the "bus" would go through.
Which I'm not, and I wasn't either - I still would like for us to lynch SkyG because I believe there's a high chance for scum there, and even if not red, it would help me advance my VCA for tomorrow.

So assuming scum!Hit, I would've brought myself to the front, called a list of people I'm willing to lynch (most of who propably could've been lynched as well), and then made an unnecessary soft-turn to annoy people?
Solid theory - pick another.

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It gives you reason to vote for someone (me) who you described as potential lynchbait.

I'd like to clarify, that I had you pinned as a scumread, but also think that it's hard to discern a lynchbaity townplayer from scum with a limited amount of posts and flips (=every D1 ever).

By calling it a honeypot it seems like you're trying to preemptively distance yourself from any criticisms of voting for lynchbait. If I were to be lynched and flip town then you say (in 654) that you have three early wagoners (brass, t_w and ausuka) to examine after the honeypot.

This is almost "correct", but realize that

I know

I am only excluded from the suspect-pool

to myself

. (because of my own PoV obviously)
If you were to flip town, I'd obviously accept the blame from others as well, but I am fine with that too.
I can towntell hard when it matters the most for town.
And none of that changes the fact that IF you were to flip town indeed, the aforementioned three players are very likely to include some scum (as their jump on the wagon fits scum-opportunism well)

The thing is, if you're scum, you could easily tell your partners to not vote for me after your initial vote and catch some more potential mislynches for later through your "honeypot." This whole thing seems like a really convenient way for you to line up multiple mislynches through easily fakeable VCA's later in the game.

This is actually an impressive thought-process, and awards you some small amount of townpoints!
Not because it has any connection with reality, but because such a thought seems to be at least "outside of the box".

Yeah. I totally got that you don't want my lynch D1.

I don't like that.

For someone that likes point that there's scum within multiple pools or groups of people,

you definitely don't try to resolve your scumreads and you shelving me leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

No, not true.
I want SkyGazer lynched today, and if you keep providing good posts, your time will only come later or never.
Simple as that.

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WRT the worst / hitalt their game (sharing) does back up why duck would respect hitalt, he lockscummed him super early on. dont see this kind of reaction-style bait play there though it seems more just straight up metaing and tonal

interestingly hitalt hasn't made a hard judgment on duck yet though but seems to scumread him via association?

So far duck hasn't given any obvious meta-tells to me, and therefore I'm worried they are coasting because they are afraid of slipping (again).
So no hard judgement yet, but if I make it to D2/D3, I should be able to accurately sort them. (or they are REALLY coasting)

Hitalt can you explain specifically why sky is probably scum btw?

Also maybe more on dramonic overall now though I did get you said you scumread 110

I actually explained this somewhat later by saying:

A very stock answer/quote thrown in an attempt to look townie.
Such a basic thing to ask "then why aren't you voting?"
But it reveals, in fact, that dramonic didn't really read what was said, and went for the appearances instead.

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BTW Profii always sounds scummy early on which is why I've found it very productive to torment him early game and see if he spews himself.

he's been evasive here but otherwise fairly coherent? either his scumgames improved or he's town, putting it at like ~65% likely atm

This puts my thoughts on profii very well to words.
profii AND duck moving up on the reads.

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Hit, what do you make of the fact Sky is green af?

They new?
Wet behind the ears?

Might

explain being lynchbaity, but doesn't give a free pass for anything/everything.

Or are you trying to tell me you have a solid townread on them?

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Though noted dramonic also counts towards the people who were going to vote flub and went to hitalt group

Yet again, someone else makes a short post that puts my thoughts to words better than I would have myself. Or atleast points out one correct observation.

There have been a few slots (namely Sky and dramonic), who have started more as gutreads/hunches/whatever but once you turn that interrogation-style lamp towards their faces, they start to make more and more mistakes with their trajectory..
Some people OMGUS and flail even as town, but that doesn't make me afraid to lynch them.

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am I missing something or is the reason for the HitAlt wagon basically tonal pants on head stuff?

10/10, would agree with again!

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Alt. I don't like how his initial scumteam call out is really easy. Nor the fact he townreads sky somewhat for a thought process I think is pretty NAI. He also says "doomed to be nightkilled by scum" when last time he was vigged when I think he wasn't that much of a threat for scum (tw can let you know that)

Haven't been vigged..?

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Why are people discussing me?
I'll sit down in front of a computer some time today and do ISOs if you really need more meat to the bone D1.
I just think it's ridiculous that people try to force my play so far as scummy when there's literally no reason for a scumagenda behind my actions.
Everyone: Get over the fact that I called you scum/your scumbuddy scum/your scumbuddyscumbuddyscumbuddyscumbuddy scum, and try to at least pretend you are scumhunting.

And to the one who didn't find a honeytrap in my only other game so far - it's late in the game where I wanted to be sure about Pintu, and potentially see if his buddy would've voted for MathDino with me.
It was a short thing because I was bored at the time.
Then see how MathDino himself said I did great.

...that doesn't prove anything in regards to this game, but it makes me moist..

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Sharing is Caring my man

Oh.
Didn't even remember I died there.
The game was close to being over anyway, so I guess that is why I don't remember.

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Is your response literally "how dare you scumread me, a player you supposedly don't know the alignment of!"

Damn the spam - I missed your ninjapost..
My answer might come across like that, but you are not detecting as much as I am if that is how you feel..
If I survive to D3/D4 (remember, this is LAAAAAAAARGE), I feel certain that we either have the scumteam locked, or I'm nightkilled after laying everything on the table.
Not arrogant, just confident.
And I like hot chocolate pver coffee.

EBWOP - please take that vote off at least until I can do something other than phonepost.

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Duck is correct again.
But I'm fine with people not seeing past that - it seems to be rather common on this site.
Meaning that it's my own fault for posting in a way that people generally scumread.
All I hope for is that people would try to separate unconventional scumhunting from scum-agendas.
It's not that hard to do really.

I also have my reasons for not being too set on my reads until I feel certain.
I can be a pig-headed tunneler when I spot a scumtell, but until then this is how I generate and draw content. (would like to point out that this has already brought out an immense amount of discussion that should help sorting once flips come along)

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I need to apparently take the time and directly response to MoI tomorrow.
However, pending a soft "catchup" on my behalf for tomorrow, I'd say for now that I'm willing to lynch in dramonic/SkyG whichever way around.
I need to dive into flub-postage before deciding there.

Ducks latest posts have been townie - I might have one of the best metareads there and they now know it (after the last open and a chat-discussion afterwards).
So they'd have no reason to defend me here.
Same with Ausuka (I think).

More in depth tomorrow though, pinky promise.

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HitAlt - This will be my last attempt to directly interact with you if you ignore this like the other attempts.

I haven't ignored you on purpose - I guess I have just missed the cues directed specifically at me.
I'll have a go now.

If you are Town then the Show Don't Tell principle is going to be a hurdle you as an Alt probably can't overcome without busting your alt.

You can say all you want how great a scum-hunter you are and how effective your methods are

but given you have a single game on this Alt. So all the arrogance of your tone falls flat.

I haven't tried to give the impression that I'm great somehow.
Or that I think myself that I am anything but something from OK to GOOD.
I do however have a brain on me, and I get frustrated when an "arrogant tone" is scummy because..? It's annoying?
The sole reason I made this alt was because I need to learn how to format my arguments better and not rely on my previous results to get people to sheep me.

Obviously I fell for it here already

, but that is mainly because I've been very much occupied IRL and thus lazy in here.
I've lacked the incentive to do a good, long post with quotes, so it's actually good to have been wagoned.
I don't want to weight the town down, and since I know I'm going to be NK'd sooner or later anyway, I just need to work harder on the "not lynched" -department.

In short: my actions have been poor thusfar, and I'll try to rectify it here.

"Tricksy traps" only work when you have well established credibility to use them. You don't. Thus I agree with the assessment from a bunch of players here that your "honey pot" looks from the outside like you are backtracking.

This I'll have to disagree with though.
You can discredit it HERE AND NOW.
But you definitely shouldn't forget about it after I flip and we are in the later stages.
I do what I do D1 to make sure we have leads for later days.

Intellectually I get that you think a Sky Town flip indicts the quick early wagon in some manner -

I agree but still include you as one of the indicted.

And the bolded part is absolutely the right thing to do.
I should be in the lynchpool if SkyG gets lynched and flips town, but I can live with that as long as people take the rest of that hypothesis seriously.

But the manner in which you "generate content" by pure posturing means a reasonable Town player can come to the conclusion that you are scummy because you acknowledge you are drawing negative attention by playing like you do ... you are the only one with the power to change that and like NotMafia you apparently stubbornly refuse to do so.

I'm nothing like NotMafia.
I mean..I'm NOT Mafia, but I'm not at all like Not_Mafia.
This post is me doing something I've never seen him do.

And 847 actually looks like the closest thing to flailing I've seen this thread. That combined to the Appeal the Authority "Mathdino said I did well" (who the f*ck cares what Mathdino said about your game) is pushing me to move my vote.

Well, that was sort of me being a smartass..
Not me thinking anyone was going to suddenly throw down their pitchforks and rally behind my cause!

I would have in this post if I didn't think Flubber was scum trying to lurk out a counter-wagon and letting you dig your own grave. So in my head I keep my vote on Flubber who I think is scum.

I'm reading Flubber next and then making a decision on where I will stand for the rest of the day.

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I do not see scum!Flub, at least not as an "obvious" result.
I have no idea why he is the competing wagon with me.
Likely two mislynch-wagons at peak as of now, unless someone can give me good pointers on why Flub is scum.

I'll do ISO-work on dramonic/Sky later today as I still think those will yield us a scumflip.
Maybe that will help at least some of you to agree with me.

Paging the townies amongst

Profii, Chickadee, Raskolnikov, the worst, Taly, MagnaofIllusion

to jump onto either dramonic/Sky.
Scummies need not apply.

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We have a competing wagon in flubs,

HA could be a good PR

, TW might just be bad at scum.
Those are three valid reasons (albeit the third might not be I dont know the guy besides site chat)

If you ever thought I was a town-PR, you should never say something like this out loud..!
VOTE: dramonic - my mind is actually made at this point I think.

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It's bad enough to get lynched.
And just to be sure - I DO NOT CLAIM POWER.
I just dislike anyone speculating PRs out loud as it never helps town.

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Yes.
Also no, but yes.
Brass is so towny. MoI too. Pikachu is either town here or their scumrange is way over what I though it was. I've read their games now too, and what I remember the best have been towngames with similarities to this.
Ausuka and Duck I'm still very suspicious of, but it's something between paranoia and the fact that neither of them has been posting as much as I think they normally "should". But as discussed, their alignments should be clear D2/D3 so not worried about them yet.

We really have a solid chance to just pick this game apart after a few flips.

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Hitalt are you missing all the prompts to do this or are just choosing not to?

No.
Absent-minded because of IRL.
Tired all the time too.
It took me more than I ever thought possible to make that one longer post.
I'll try to make another tomorrow.

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Guys, I'm saying this one more time - do not lynch me D1.
I'm currently being put closer to the situation where you just "ehhh" close to the deadline and someone hammers.

If you REALLY think I've done fuckall, it's an unfair assessment.
If you REALLY think I've been "scummy", you are actually mistaken.
What I haven't done, is that I haven't communicated my points transparently, or "cased" anyone properly.
I haven't been an open book, but why does that make me scum?

It's really very simple - I just can't obv. Town D1 this game.
Although it might be that I can't do any detecting on scum anyway, I simply can't be an obv.town.

I still intend to do more longer posts today, but I'm worried the damage is done already.

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I think your definition of "flaily" is also flawed.

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Heh, guess I'll wrote then.
Thought it might not be necessary after all, but since A is being pigheaded (or not paying attention to the more subtle things Taly apparently noted), I guess I would feel like gamethrowing if I just rolled over and died.

I'll make the posts I promised today then. (and you will all have to forgive me for walling, because that is the only way I know how)

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Taly has no reason to put this much effort into their read on me if they were scum. Unless they intend to kill me off anyway I guess - they seem to have figured me out at least. Dave made a poor impression on me, especially with that long AtE-post, but Taly has improved that read a lot.

Another one who has made a lot of effort to actually take advantage of the wagon on me and scumhunt is Inferno.
If either of the two are scum, let it be known that they have been able to haze me completely this gameday then.

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I really don't like hitalt treating what his main interest should be in explaining into his scumreads like as if it's work he has to do and has been putting off (I think town should want to do it and viewing it like a pain in the butt is more likely of a scum pov).

And it benefits scum!Hit immensely to openly admit it..?
If you want to lynch me, call it policy and just do it.
Don't call me scum because I've been too lazy to wall on a computer after a workstretch every day.
I could've just as well NOT played D1 the way I started, if I just wanted to lay back and "fly under the radar".
I chose to try and generate discussion - I chose to do it while putting myself to the frontline.
I don't regret it at all because if I get lynched it's my own fault for not finding the combination of time and energy to towntell.

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Is this the wagon that really goes through then?
VOTE: Zyxxy

(No really, I'll vote there in a heartbeat if it avoids a no lynch and/or my lynch.)

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VOTE: dramonic

huh profii is probably town that's a relief
will xyzzy at deadline if necessary but eh

[HitAlt]

Not even a little.
I just thought it was funny and it was something I could've said myself as well!

[HitAlt]

..........we are not doing this...

[HitAlt]

If that claim by Dram is a fakeclaim, it was well thought-out.
I already had reason to believe that this game has a toe or two over the normal line anyway, so a modifier like that is very much believable.
The question remains though, whether there's a

scum

role with that modifier, but I believe that modifier exists.

I dislike rolespeculation because it probably helps scum more. Someone could be attempting a rolehunt as well, so only direct CCs should be given.

No CC here.

At some point I might say that I myself can detect even an attempt, but for now I'll tone the provocation down..! I'm not suicidal.

I'll move my vote after I wake up (10h) if another option is agreed upon.

[HitAlt]

Ok, fck this game then.
All of my swishy washy posting has been a combination of IRL pushibg me down, and me NOT WANTING TO BE a solid townread.
I am a town-PR. Have been crumbing it from the start. I have a role that gets a lot more value out of results after some flips, so it also benefits from scum not thinking I'm worth a block or kill.
I find it so hard to NOT post, but I've also found it hard to produce anything that doesn't ruin my nightresults.

For example - I think brass is scum, and I wanted them to feel like they are obv.town enough to maybe get them to commit their factional kill. No need to hide that anymore I guess as I'll be either killed or blocked 100% of the time now.
Ausuka/TW also likely has a scum in there. It also fits the bill that they are all among the ones who jumped on dave.
That implies Taly is town to me for now etc etc.

I planned to start playing more properly D2 anyway, but guess that doesn't matter much either.

[HitAlt]

So sorry for everyone who genuinely scumread me for how I've played.
All I can say is that this hasn't been anything like my usual playstyle.

[HitAlt]

Yea, Chick has been surfing this whole game.

[HitAlt]

you're either not who I think you are, or it's not that different :p

You don't know Jack.

[HitAlt]

What a way to coach your scumbuddies in the game thread - splendid!

[HitAlt]

@Hit:
Would you please fullclaim and link crumbs. Because that soft claim reads a whole lot like scum.

I will explicitly refuse to do this until I have seen what happens N1.
In the very unlikely scenario where I'm not killed or blocked, I will claim everything else but the not-normal "caveat" in my role tomorrow.
That one part of my role-PM is also the reason why I wanted to play a bit shady today, but we'll get back to that later.

[HitAlt]

You've played an abysmal game and you STILL haven't produced the promised content and/or reads and are still hiding behind some tee hee role claim.

I'm not hiding behind it, I just want you all to know you'd be lynching a PR.
And to be clear with you - you have done a lot of bashing towards me because my play has been "abysmal", yet you haven't even fully read the longer posts in the game.
You can't pin all the blame on my play being "abysmal" if you haven't noticed underlying nuances in posts that are long..because you only skimmed them.
Now I have no longer a need to pretend that all I was going to rely on was some hidden genius, but I still think you have a lot of nerve rating how anyone else has played the game so far.

[HitAlt]

TW is very possibly scum, yes.
I've been looking at brass/ausuka as potential buddies all day, but haven't checked joint-ISOs or anything yet.
Andrius seems to have a problem with my plan for D1, but that doesn't mean they are scum I guess.
I'd say Chick-TW-brass all need some looking at.

[HitAlt]

HA are you boonskiies?

I actually tried to copy some of his style when I learned I was a PR..
But can't say I am.

[HitAlt]

Guess the time of awkward chatter is over then?

VOTE: Flubb - TROLLHAMMAREN!

[HitAlt]

..and just in case all that folkmetal wakes the baby:

sleeeeeeep

[HitAlt]

y'all we could've lynched hitalt but instead we let them hammer someone else

Comment?
So just because I'm the one wielding the hammer, I am scum?
And you say this BEFORE flub has even flibbed?

Solid.

[HitAlt]

Guys, I know TWO people who did a thing at night.
One of them was so loud I couldn't help but hear it, and the other one killed a dude. Or at least tried to.

How should we proceed - I do not wish to out our Vig and I'm not sure that one person being so noisy means anything alignment-wise..

[HitAlt]

Also mad respect to Pine for the flavor.
THOROUGHLY enjoying it so far!

[HitAlt]

This could be spicy, but I could also be outing our vig.
Not willing to do that kind of a blunder just yet.

I'd also like to know something more about those bananas - who exactly got them? (apparently multiple people?)
And brass - can you give any more specifics on why / how you know your BP activated? (

PLEASE LET HIM ANSWER THIS BY HIMSELF - COULD BE IMPORTANT.

[HitAlt]

OK, with this in mind, I have a CRAZY idea that will likely backfire, so I'll skip that.
But.
I feel 75% sure I was protected last night AND I got a guilty on the scummie who tried to kill me.

TO BE CERTAIN WOULD REQUIRE OUR VIG TO STEP FORWARD AND CLAIM THE KILL THAT WENT THROUGH.

Opinions?

[HitAlt]

Thing is I *also* have information so I was hoping we could start a conversation.
I don't know how to do this subtly though so :problematic:

I'm trying to dance a bit around the subject for a little while longer, but I guarantee my D2 is going to be a lot different from my D1 once we get all the technical stuff out of the way..

[HitAlt]

FTR asking who's in favour potentially outs the vig as the vig if in favour would probably just claim.
I like it however.

True, but what I'm aiming at is that maybe the Vig does not want to claim.
But if more than a few players agree, I guess the Vig should do what the towns consensus deems best.

[HitAlt]

You being protected implies that you think you were targeted to be shot, so can you walk me through your thought process here?

Not in-depth until I know who the Vig is.
But there's a likelihood for two guilties if I'm correct.

[HitAlt]

hey hitalt
while we think about this
can we just wagon chickadee
that'd make me happy and still keep us on track

If they are scum they buss/quickhammer and we lose the chance to resolve this..?

VOTE: Chickadee #worried

[HitAlt]

If the Vig-claim is the one I might have a "guilty" on, then it is not worth..!
That is why I'm asking what people think.

UNVOTE:

[HitAlt]

OK

Brass

is in townbloc

Too early for this.
Depending on if the Vig-claim happens, brass might be the lynch for D3.

[HitAlt]

Hit, can I just confirm that you understand what an activated BP is?

Can I then confirm that you are claiming that your PM includes something like "you have to activate your BP for it to take effect" ?

[HitAlt]

Not sure I buy it.

[HitAlt]

Hey Duck

- you satisfied with how your night went?
Did you receive a message of any kind?

[HitAlt]

Hey Duck

- you satisfied with how your night went?
Did you receive a message of any kind?

I was a little lonely last night : ( and no I didn't receive any messages

Assume I'm capable of doing the tango with the lingo.
And know that I'm not satisfied with your answer here, so...care to elaborate a bit more on how your night really was?

[HitAlt]

Hey Duck

- you satisfied with how your night went?
Did you receive a message of any kind?

I was a little lonely last night : ( and no I didn't receive any messages

Assume I'm capable of doing the tango with the lingo.
And know that I'm not satisfied with your answer here, so...care to elaborate a bit more on how your night really was?

REPLY TO ME AS SOON AS YOU SEE THIS, THANKS.

[HitAlt]

We go down the path.

[HitAlt]

We go down the path.

claim for me then

Oh Senór Duck - I think you could've satisfied my curiosity with your very first reply to me if you really wanted to..

I am absolutely not claiming myself

until you either fullclaim, or hint to me what you did last night/if anything.
You should be capable of either if you put your head to it.

[HitAlt]

oh I meant if you know what I did last night you can already guess what I'm gonna claim

..but your initial answer to me doesn't match that.

[HitAlt]

read my responses to you really carefully
if you want to go down this path it's 100% up to you but it's not my preference.

OK, I'm willing to take the blame then as I can't see what you might have hinted at there.

NO MORE HINTING (or hidden meanings):

I'm proposing that you did nothing last night, is that assumption correct?

[HitAlt]

I did not do nothing last night

So you did what you wanted to do then? No problems?

[HitAlt]

THIS

I was a little lonely last night : ( and no I didn't receive any messages

..contradicts THE BOLDED in

I did not do nothing last night

So you did what you wanted to do then?

No problems?

yup. :> Hbu?

Your move.

[HitAlt]

I caught a scum...his name is the Duck...he tried to kill me...but he ran out of luck..

VOTE: the worst - time to fullclaim if you want to get out of this.

[HitAlt]

OK, no one counterclaim ducky if he starts flailing after this - I'm off to bed IRL. (Please keep the discussion flowing if at all possible meanwhile, but I think Brass could still be scum with duck.)
And that would mean that Ducky read my crumbs D1 (I assume he did), and he thought they would get a mechanical clear for both of them.
I'll ponder brass' possible role on this tomorrow.

[HitAlt]

Well this is the point where I am going to point blank say you cried wolf Day 1 and you are out of goodwill on “Teehee look how gambitty I am”.

If you honestly think you have effectively two guilties then you should be pushing the issue to the fricken wall with one Mafia dead.

Special saddle for such a high horse..?

And yet, funnily enough, we now have the same read on TW/brass.

I WAS ONLY BEATING AROUND THE BUSH TODAY BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE IF DUCKY WOULD INCRIMINATE THEIR BUDDY TOO.

Make no mistake - Ducky is talkin bullshit, and is scum.
They finally said a thing they can't wiggle out of.
Brass is either his buddy or an SK.
Third scum likely in Ausuka/MoI/Chickadee based on claims alone.

We force Duck to fullclaim his action from lastnight as soon as possible, if anyone is still not convinced, and I'll fullclaim to seal the deal.

Fking "teehee" NigaHiga-ass mfking rolecircus with crumbs and all.

[HitAlt]

Hit. I am not claiming my action from last night until necessary but all will be obvious WHEN I am night killed. Full claim or settle down because rn you sound like scum who did see my night action and is faking a soft guilty to get a lynch thru.

If I were to be scum fakeclaiming to get a lynch through, I would be submitting myself up for a trade 1for1..?

I am not claiming before you, simply because if I don't need to fullclaim, we can take advantage of my role-specific caveat the following night too.
And since scum already lost their roleblockage..

TO ANYONE READING THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT A GAMBIT ANYMORE, NOR IS MY GUILTY "SOFT". DUCK IS SCUM NOW.

ye I got a confirming pm

Them refusing to claim and hinting that everything will be clear after they flip is bullshit - my result makes their night-action very clear.

THEY WOULD

NEVER

GET A PM-RESPONSE AS TOWN

, meaning that they tried their best to guess what I was hinting at and wiggle their way out of it.

GOT'EM.

[HitAlt]

Well you won't get it.
He already confirmed my guilty on him, and if he was town he would have had NO REASON not to claim or at least hint his role properly right away.
I gave him a chance to do it, and he would be capable of doing it if he really wanted to.

[HitAlt]

Hit can you please out what you think I did in plain terms? don't out your soft guilty if you don't need to, just tell me what you think happened here in 20 words or less.

I don't need to even do this anymore with you, but I guess some others might need something..
I try to come up with a way where you can't vaguely avoid committing to a specific type of a claim.
Also adding xyzzy to the list of highly potential scum.
Scum ought to be getting desperate by now.

[HitAlt]

@Duck:

1. Assuming you performed an action last night - are you able to say FOR CERTAIN that your action succeeded?

2. If your answer to the above is NO - who did you target (if you can choose a target)?

3. If your answer to 1 is "NO" - do you have a weapon or not?

[HitAlt]

I am calling a guilty.
If people are unconvinced in the end that he is scum, I DEMAND to be lynched today.
Only reason I'm doing circles is because I'm protecting another townie by doing so.
My claim is set in stone, has been for a long time.
My trackrecord as a town-PR is enough for me to be confident in how I do this - you can all disagree with me after the game.

Town!TW would've already made so many things differently, but I also got him to solidify my guilty with something he said himself.

[HitAlt]

In the very unlikely scenario where I'm not killed or blocked, I will claim everything else but the not-normal "caveat" in my role tomorrow.

Just let TW answer me and my claim will follow.
Alongside a townie, I'm protecting that "caveat".

[HitAlt]

My questions would have allowed you to say YES to the 1st question and just ignore the other two.
Also if you were the vig- why on earth did you NOT hint at it then? You are able to subtly hint what you did, and the way you answered me doesn't fit you being vig AT ALL.
I'll say it again - I have stalked you extensively on site, and I know your MO well enough.

This hasn't been the way town!Duck operates. He is either Maf or SK. (depending on whether anyone feels like CCing the Dram-kill. Not sure if anyone should)

I am a Detective who knows if anyone has even TRIED to kill anyone during the game. Duck has.
That is why I wanted to not be straight in case he was a vig (

which I guarantee he is not at this point btw

)

[HitAlt]

To make it clear - IF Duck had been better with his answers from the get go, I would have had no trouble beliving him and absolutely done anything in my power to swerve the attention to myself rather than on him.

I'll try to map my chain of thought for why this extends beyond Ducky and potentially implicates brass as well, but I'll get to that once I can sit down and use a computer for change.

[HitAlt]

hold on no map it

I thought you were sitting spr rolecop guilty and trying to position me as sk which is why I was sketvhy

Then you asked for a message claim which threw me hard

Well I obviously didn't want you to know what you were "supposed" to claim.

[HitAlt]

HitAlt, when you ask bizarre, vague questions without explaining yourself in an attempt to trap someone, you irrevocably taint the usefulness of any data you might be creating. your line of questioning today has been baseless and unhinged and comically aggressive, but you expect the worst to just play along with your pointless nonsense. that's unlikely to work on

anyone

regardless of meta or alignment, and trying to frame this as you having caught scum in a trap is just not remotely accurate.

Except that it made all the difference in the world to me.
Note that TW didn't only NOT hint being a vig, but he also outright fell for my trap with saying he got a PM-confirmation. Now what would that be for a Vig?

I am certain TW is scum, now we can move on with the game.
If the majority refuses to lynch him, then there isn't much I can do.
I trust in my loud buddy to keep protecting me, so I have no problems with me claiming anymore.

Now I'm gonna move on from this, and try to actually read D1 with dramonic confirmed.

[HitAlt]

What was the second guilty you were talking about?

Trying to up the pressure on him.
And making it seem like my guilty was a track/watch to maybe get him to implicate hinself further.

[HitAlt]

But like said, enough about claimtalk for now.
I'll keep my vote on TW for the rest of the day/game if need be, but I'll start ISOing other people after work anyway.

[HitAlt]

Well, we shall see what happens then.
I bet scum are all fine leaving Duck alive for future nights because he is totally a Vig and will kill them off one by one.
/s

[HitAlt]

Anyway, or the "Vigs" and fruit aside - there are still dayplay-relevant things to analyze.
I'll take a breather and return with something completely different.

[HitAlt]

Big question right now - do we milk the Venge D2 or D3?

Because that'll affect my approach this dayphase.

I have Chickadee as a very strong "NO IDEA".
Could go either way - I was actually pondering whether I would've checked her last night.

[HitAlt]

I fell off a bit of the pace guys, sorry for that.
I'll catchup tomorrow or monday.

[HitAlt]

I'm sorry guys, life has been hectic again..
I'll REALLY try to catch-up within a day or so. Probably tomorrow night as I have a day off wednesday.

[HitAlt]

Starting to catchup now.
Walls..are coming.

[HitAlt]

moI and Andy is still the scumteam tho.

Interestingly enough, this is the first post I need to catchup on..
I tried to reread D1 through MY OWN ISO, to see how I landed on certain suspicions, and how/why people reacted on my honeypot.
In light of everything that actually went down, MoI is considerably less

obvious

town, and Andrius could fit there too.
(Also funnily enough, I think both of them called my play D1 bad especially since I basically didn't towntell at all, yet now I see they failed to do it properly as well.)

So like, not calling the outright scum, but I can see where you're coming from. Everyone should be on the lookout for their posting later in the game if they don't get NK'd.

I didn't get a confirmation message for my BP.

[vote[the worst[/vote]

..wasn't the only point in my chase for him..

TW

is not groupscum.

dram's

wincon role PM implies a 3p faction.

I wouldn't put too much weight on what the Role-PM implies as mods often want to keep the wincondition vague on how many factions there are.
But since no-one else is claiming the Dramonic-kill, it logically follows that TW is either SK or from a "secondary Mafia".
(No, still not even considering him being a Vig. His answers to my "hunting" of him could've been easily formatted into hinting Vig without outright claiming it, and I would've dropped it then and there.)

I have gameplay reason to believe TW is just a town vig, because why else would he shoot the person he wanted dead even after a claim? He was risking his neck for scrutiny if he was wrong and I don't think SK is that ballsy, usually.

It fits SK-wincon very well to kill a JK-claim?
Them being scum AS WELL is actually twice as good for an SK.

Why didn't anyone else point out that town!Vig TW risked shooting a claimed town-PR N1 instead of waiting for results/other investigatives D2? ANYONE?

I think this is also the reason why he tried his very hardest to avoid claiming the kill altogether.

until HitAlt satisfactory explains what was going through his fucking head he's the d2 lynch

he knows I was behind the dram shot here. It was blatantly obvious and he's not stupid.

..which is why I offered you a way to hint it to me specifically.
I KNOW you KNOW that town!Duck could've thrown in a line of something like "A total shot in the dark: you already know what I did?" Boom. I back off immediately.
Also check how I started D2: I took my sweet time before engaging directly with you, as to blur the line of what I might know, and whether it was even you I had a result on.
I tried to give you the wiggle room you should've seized if you were a town!Vig.

And to anyone feeling like I was expecting "too much" from Duck - bullshit.
He is absolutely capable of doing what I expected of him here, and he chose not to.

Honestly when I was catching up over the last 5 paged, this was my thought. 2 fruit vendors, one town, and one scum.



I really think MOI is town here, but I also think ausuka is town, so I’m torn. I’ll take my personal laptop with me to work today so I can spend some time with this game maybe. Depends on how busy I am.

Yea, I think two town!fruitters would be pointless.

Me and HitAlt should also coordinate night actions to make sure we don't double up becausewe have different roles and can't overlap.

We can discuss this before EoD.
I'm even willing to give a pool of people I might check.
I don't think scum will have another roleblocker, and it would be extremely unlikely for me to get another guilty in a row anyway..

He still thinks he was the night kill because he explicitly doesn't believe my claim.

I'm still pretty sure I was the NK.

You didn't obviously claim/crumb/hint a PR D1, and you weren't an obvious townie D1 either by any means.
I on the other hand believe to have called at least part of the scumteam correctly D1, likely have strong metareads on at least one or two of them to boot (you/TW/ausuka to name the D1 "suspects"), AND softed/claimed a PR all through D1.
I do not know how I thought I was more likely the target for their kill than you???

sooooooo I'm townreading MoI/Andrius/Ausuka/Rask - how unlikely is it for there to be two loyal fruit vendors? Because I'd really like to keep four strong town reads

This here is scum with Andrius/MoI in the universe where the two are already scum together.
Otherwise this is just a bad townread-list.

In fact, I think SkyG is still just scum and that's why their list might be bad.

[HitAlt]

do you not find the way he claimed a guilty in me super super gross? or

It was gross, I fully admit that.
But I had to be shady about it, to get what I got from you.
You can pretend to hate me all you want, but after this game we will talk about things and be friends again.
And who is this Mark?

Also I find it hard to believe scum-Ausuka would cc like that?? Unless it's to get a mislynch on a dangerous town player?? But I don't see Ausuka doing that if they just lost a scum partner and I'm kind of paranoid about MoI after realizing how dangerous of a scum player he apparently is.

Scum!Ausuka would do it only if they really are a scum!fruit-vendor.
(This actually launched me into this weird theory-tunnel that I'd love to talk about

LATER.

So if anyone remembers/notices this down the line..)
Also, does this mark the time for SkyG making a towny post with a towny observation?

I think I found some profound reason to scumread Hit at the bottom of a couple of bottles of wine last night but I honestly can't recall it. I'll join you here.

VOTE: Elbirn

Bet those bottles were very old? Came from the kingdom of Ohmagad? Yusuk-grapes and all?
No

Wonder

you can't

see

what made you vote me anymore..

Ehhh
I can get on board with the Elbirn wagon. Taly’s case is pretty solid.
VOTE: Elbirn

One of the reasons why Inferno gets scumread by me every single game we play together. Posts like these.
If I had to try and put it to words, it would be something like "trying to act casual when moving my vote, while also giving a reason for doing it, but those reasons are shaky and might hold no basis whatsoever, but I'll stop driving my previous agenda completely until it seems there's a chance to return to that."
I think you've done this type of a post every game we have played together/I have read from you, and I guess I'll always scumread you for these..

Of stronger push-dram interactions I think at most 1 of (Taly, HA, inferno, TW) would be a bus/distance, e.g. at minimum 3/4 of said group is town.

I believe this line from Rask to be very accurate.

Overall I don't think scum even interacted with dram or dram wagon all that much, the bulk of it occurred in a brief time window and most of those actively involved read town,

I think most of scum ignored it or pushed elsewhere

rather than really even comment.

So basically 1/2 scum on my wagon at all times.

To clarify: I have a tendency to sheep my townreads, especially if I agree with their analysis. I did sus brass and MoI for small but not insignificant reasons to kind of poke and prod a little bit, but I don't feel comfy voting for either of them rn. MoI was a massive townread for me on D1 and I'm worried I'm just getting paranoid about him. Brass bussing dram doesn't make much sense so I still continue to townread him but his HWS vote lightly pinged me because he's only talked about his HWS read briefly and I don't get why he thinks that's the best place for his vote atm. I don't really have much to go on with HWS compared to Elbirn who started the xyzzy counterwagon and I've thought that that wagon had scum on it since yesterday so this is where I want my vote.

OK, this post somehow resonates with me.
Like, I can see how this is an honest post from a newbie!town..might have to reconsider this slot.
Note to self:

IF THIS SLOT IS A NEWBIE!TOWN, IT WOULD MEAN THAT ANYONE WHO WASN'T ON DRAMONIC, AND WAS POSSIBLY VOTING ONLY ME/SKYG D1 IS HEAVILY IMPLICATED.

Can you just drop it. It doesn't do any good for me to confirm or deny this.

This attitude from Chick is giving me scumvibes. Lot of them.
In a game with something like 200 PR-claims so far, it can't hurt for Chick to claim a modifier or at least give some reasoning as to why not claim it.
Just saying "drop it"/"not gonna tell" gives me vibes that the claim is fake in it's entirety.
Also would like to say that even with all the role-crazyness around, I find it hard to believe there's both a Vig AND a Vengeful around..

Chick’s super aggressive defense and refusal to share other modifiers is bothering me a lot.

Yuss.

TW being a potential SK is low priority right now. There's no CC, I'd even question a CC at the moment, and he did shoot a scum PR with an argument to say he's town to have done it.

Read what I said in my previous wall.
There were multiple unsorted/null -slots to shoot at. Now I'm not criticizing the end-result, but I think it was an uncharacteristic shot for town!Duck any way you might look at it.

Scum would likely want him dead, regardless of his alignment. I'm not doing the Mafia's dirty work.

This should be true, however I am worried with all the roles around, that there's a chance for another a scum-protective..

Inferno's

messy

But it's town-messy, if that makes sense.

Yes, and now I think Taly is either a VERY deep wolf or just town.

--TAKING A BREAK FROM CATCHING UP, WILL FINISH THIS LATER TODAY OR TOMORROW.--

[HitAlt]

[L-3] Elbirn - the worst, Inferno390, Skygazer, Raskolnikov, Taly

Oh, before I log off - this here seems to be a full "not Mafia"-wagon on Elbirn. (whether you think Ducky is SK/Vig/Werewolf/"Mafia B" it still holds true)
SkyG and Taly both still hold the potential to be scum, but I'm starting to lean town on both.

[HitAlt]

I realized why Hit thinks he was the target last night.
He said something about someone being so loud he couldn’t help but hear them.
This is a reference to the Loud modifier.
WHICH MEANS SOMEONE TARGETED HIM LAST NIGHT.
This is important because it means someone has info on Hit that they are not sharing, or he was really the NK and it got blocked somehow.
Ether way, this point needs to be resolved pronto.

No wait, this WASN'T clear to everyone already?
I do not want this "loud"-player to claim, and beg of everyone not to push for it. (at least for now)
I have

reason to believe

they are a town!protective (something I absolutely refuse to be more specific on for now. Obviously.), but of course they could just be a scum-role.
I do have my reasons however, and if they truly are a protective townie, Occams Machete would suggest to me that scum tried to kill me last night.

[HitAlt]

I'll make another wall before going to bed, and then continue from there tomorrow.

[HitAlt]

I think my motivation to catch up to this game is all but gone..
I feel like with the "power vested in me" I should be providing a whole lot more, but with my current IRL-situation, I don't think I'll be able to do so.
And it's under a week until I'll be going abroad for several days as well, so I guess I ought to just be replaced.
If I can't keep up with a game that is moving this slowly, I don't think I deserve to be a part of it..

@Pine - please replace me out, and send me an invitation to a spectator-thread if you have one.

Sorry to everyone, especially Pine (for the trouble), but this is my first replace-out ever and I wouldn't ask for it unless I really felt like it was necessary for the health of the game.

Thanks, and have a good game guys!

[HitAlt]

Spoiler: I'll never tell..

[HitAlt]

Hitalt's detective outing TW d2 was probably most crucial action.

I haven't been active on site with any of my accounts for a while now, but wanted to pop in and thank Rask for that N1 "save"!
I now know I WASN'T the target for the scum-kill, but even now I think my assumption was reasonable and lead to some correct deductions.
And the way Rask implied Doc soon after further cemented my thoughts on them. Ausuka claiming Vendor immediately after scum made me sort of townbin them too (felt a strong paranoia before that).
I feel like those two slots helped me immensely in evaluating the game at that point.
I think my reads were overall "OK" for D1 and D2, and I'm just sad I couldn't carry it through the whole game..

Sorry to everyone for how I acted D1 - it was absolutely NOT NORMAL for me! I just wanted to throw shit up in the air to make sure I have enough to analyze for days to come, and to help me decide who I'd check N1.
Also sorry for how I "hijacked" the whole thread when I wanted to pressure TW into scumclaiming, but I sort of still stand behind that course of action since it really did confirm my suspicions on them.

I still think Town!Duck (VigDuck) would've acted differently under that same pressure.

(what a way for me to take responsibility for acting like a douche!)
My thought-process was that as long as Ducky doesn't know WHAT I know about them, they'll have to avoid committing to any specific role/modifier. (if I was a rolecop, I would've seen that multitask+bulletproof = not a good Vig-claim afterwards etc)

As a sidenote: This was the only game I've ever replaced out of, and I intend to keep it as such, so I won't come back to playing until I've finally managed to sort things in my personal life.
Thanks to everyone!