Mafia 80: Nice Shot! Mafia. Game over, results at 1381

[Xtoxm]

Ooh it's started. Was worried we might be waiting for 18 days :s

vote BM

[Xtoxm]

camn is shorter.

FOS goborage.

[Xtoxm]

Yes, clearly my vote is in the right place.

[Xtoxm]

I think you answer your own question there...!

[Xtoxm]

Come join us!

[Xtoxm]

Still in the randomness at page 3? Think that's the longest for a game of mine...

I'm sure any potential replacements (I rarely see a game go through with none, especially this large) will love that!

[Xtoxm]

How would you guys feel about putting everyone, one-by-one, at L-2 for the purpose of info gathering? It might end the random chat faster.

You still think we're in the random stage?

I don't think so...Looks like things are starting to pick up now.

[Xtoxm]

Ya I'm rolefishing... how exactly? Very few scum would claim cop as it would be suicide. Roleclaimed cops who do not get NK'd would almost certainly have to be lynched. If a single scum claimed cop it would actually be good for town. And who claims at L-2?

That's flawed...And L-2, when reached, is a pretty good place to claim, if you ask me.

Unless you know it's a routine wagon that's disbanding regardless.

[Xtoxm]

Roleclaimed cops who do not get NK'd would almost certainly have to be lynched.

All this boils down to is losing the cop early, probably with no results. There could well be a scum RB in this game, and cop wouldn't necessarily be NKed.

[Xtoxm]

That post is made on the assumption of a cop presence, btw, for arguments sake.

[Xtoxm]

Roleclaimed cops who do not get NK'd would almost certainly have to be lynched.

All this boils down to is losing the cop early, probably with no results. There could well be a scum RB in this game, and cop wouldn't necessarily be NKed.

i could be way off the mark here, but surely if we have only 1 claimed cop, they would be pretty well confirmed regardless of anything else. Multiple claimed cops would make lynching both worthwhile.

BM

But we don't know how many there are...There could be none, there could more multiple.

[Xtoxm]

Replace the "more" with "be".

[Xtoxm]

I'd forgotten MME was even in this game, lol.

[Xtoxm]

Roleclaimed cops who do not get NK'd would almost certainly have to be lynched.

All this boils down to is losing the cop early, probably with no results. There could well be a scum RB in this game, and cop wouldn't necessarily be NKed.

i could be way off the mark here, but surely if we have only 1 claimed cop, they would be pretty well confirmed regardless of anything else. Multiple claimed cops would make lynching both worthwhile.

BM

Although I think I agree that in a situation where we KNOW there is ONE cop, it would be worthwhile.

[Xtoxm]

I don't like that post,

unvote vore Mush

.

[Xtoxm]

unvote vote Mush

.

[Xtoxm]

With possible GF and SK around, cop isn't all too reliable less it's guilty. Miller isn't in the ppol though, surprisingly, so a guilty is garanteed to be accurate.

[Xtoxm]

EBWOP: pool.

[Xtoxm]

Lynching is town's weapon against the scum...

[Xtoxm]

BM, CKD has hardly been lurking compared to...Probably more than half the people in this game, of which the most noticable is MME.

Why do you say he is lurking when he is posting a lot more than others?

[Xtoxm]

Lynching is town's weapon against the scum...

Lynching is one of the town's weapons against the scum. Vigs and RB are weapons as well, and just about as effective.

Lynching is the main one. They're not quite as effective, particularly the RB does nothing to directly remove scum, but I think this route of conversation will hardly be at all productive, so i'll leave it there...

[Xtoxm]

You are well aware, im sure, that commenting on ongoing games is bad sportsmanship.

Only if it gives away infomation not already come to light in said game, I think. Other than that I think it's ok to use things from ongoing games.

[Xtoxm]

goborage does seem to be genuine in this suggestion.

What do you expect to gain by routinely putting everyone at L-2? Everyone knows it's comeing and knows it's disbanding. Seems like a bit of a waste of time really...

[Xtoxm]

I was unclear on EK's earlier response. I assumed it was a joke but everyone seems to be taking it seriously. I don't see how there is anything scummy about my bandwagon plan; in fact, I've read that it can be very effective.

TBH I'm kind of irked that I'm being called out on it at all.

@EK - have you never heard of this strat before? What makes it any scummier than random voting?

I am well versed in bandwagoning.

Bandwagoning is when you pile onto a scummy person. Some people will randomly bandwagon at the beginning of the game. I'm not a huge fan of random banwagonning. I think you should start from somehting sucmmy even if it is small.

However, you just suggested we put everyone at L-2 for the purpose of eliciting claims.

That's different than bandwagonning because 1)the whole point of a bandwagon is not just to get a claim -- it is to guage reactions of the banwagonee and the bandwagoners; and 2)even when a bandwagonee claims, that is only one person claiming -- you asked for everyone to claim in order like a mass claim.

See the difference?

I was under the impression he didn't want claims, just to see people's reactions.

[Xtoxm]

believe me, i could go alot further.

He's not lying, lol...

[Xtoxm]

goborage - Your vote is on me...Is this real or random?

[Xtoxm]

You are likely wrong.

As far as I know there is no basic 18 person setup with 2 scum. Even a mini game of 12 usually has 3 or 4 scum. Newbie games often have 2 scum.

Unless you're faking it, I think you likely have no idea what is going on. Scum would have more of a clue.

unvote musher; vote camn

He's ranked "mafia scum" i'm not ready to believe his newbie claim. If he was "townsperson" then maybe.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh, BM needs protection.

[Xtoxm]

I was unclear on EK's earlier response. I assumed it was a joke but everyone seems to be taking it seriously. I don't see how there is anything scummy about my bandwagon plan; in fact, I've read that it can be very effective.

TBH I'm kind of irked that I'm being called out on it at all.

@EK - have you never heard of this strat before? What makes it any scummier than random voting?

I am well versed in bandwagoning.

Bandwagoning is when you pile onto a scummy person. Some people will randomly bandwagon at the beginning of the game. I'm not a huge fan of random banwagonning. I think you should start from somehting sucmmy even if it is small.

However, you just suggested we put everyone at L-2 for the purpose of eliciting claims.

That's different than bandwagonning because 1)the whole point of a bandwagon is not just to get a claim -- it is to guage reactions of the banwagonee and the bandwagoners; and 2)even when a bandwagonee claims, that is only one person claiming -- you asked for everyone to claim in order like a mass claim.

See the difference?

I was under the impression he didn't want claims, just to see people's reactions.

Bingo. If I wanted claims I would have asked for a mass-claim. Has no one ever heard of the strat I put forth?

Any reason you elected not to answer my question directed at you?

[Xtoxm]

I think it's pretty obvious it's a random vote. Why do you care so much?

Then why are you still holding a random vote? Why not vote for who you think is scum?

[Xtoxm]

After 10 pages you can't advance on a random lynch?

[Xtoxm]

I thought it was pretty obvious it was a joke.

Atleast that's the way I saw it.

[Xtoxm]

Most of the time I see someone say this, they are scum. I've seen people turn up scum so often when they're like "I can't get a read on anyone!"

Agree with this. Although, gobroage, other than that, is looking pretty town to me.

[Xtoxm]

I thought it was pretty obvious it was a joke.

Atleast that's the way I saw it.

Yeah but you are well versed in BM's madness. I think from a newb POV, it's confusing.

It only takes one or two games to learn how to play...That's what NG's are for.

[Xtoxm]

The extent at which some people in this game are lurking is ridiculous. We should lynch one of them.

[Xtoxm]

I think BM, although reportedly tricky, is way to vocal to be scum

You couldn't be more wrong...

[Xtoxm]

Ok.

unvote vote spring

I doubt this will take off though.

And I think MME would be an ever better target.

[Xtoxm]

I think BM, although reportedly tricky, is way to vocal to be scum

You couldn't be more wrong...

eh?

Please explain.

BM

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you are indeed scum in {censored}. This should be confirmable shortly.

Your post count in said game is 150, second only to mine at 219. We both replaced in at day 1.

Talking about ongoing games is against Mafiascum.net rules. See mith's post at http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6470 for the complete set of forum rules.

This is a warning. I might not issue another warning before a violation results in a mod-kill. This applies to all players.

~Adel

[Xtoxm]

Posting to say I was away unexpectdly, reading and catching up now, posting later.

How much later exactly.

[Xtoxm]

Sorry...Well, I will just say i've played with BM before when he's been scum, and he's just ~just as vocal as he is being here.

[Xtoxm]

Replace the first "just" with "been".

[Xtoxm]

Yeh actually I didn't think that reference through very well at all.

Apologies.

[Xtoxm]

Lies!

[Xtoxm]

Well anyway, point is I disagree with Camn's statement. It was not an accustion of you posting lots = scum, it was saying that I believe you posting lots, in itself, is not a tell on your alignment.

[Xtoxm]

I agree that there often is, but I believe it is a null tell in your case.

[Xtoxm]

As for your repeated insistence that BM is your town ally. I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make about anyone right now. Everyone has people they feel are more likely town or scum right now, but you have to keep an open mind.

Agree with this.

[Xtoxm]

Yeh I guess I did single you out, cos your vote on me.

[Xtoxm]

So
Vote : Coron
For having, like, Zero input into the game. . even after prodding...

How about we vote for the same one of them doing this, with the same reasoning, rather than splitting votes..?

[Xtoxm]

Well me and Sierra have voted spring for those, basically exact same reasons. Would be nice to get a lurker wagon/lynch going.

[Xtoxm]

I am simply against bandwagoning lurkers.

I think that's really stupid.

[Xtoxm]

Farside needs prodding.

[Xtoxm]

So does spring.

[Xtoxm]

Possibly Coron too, but I might have worked out the month changeover wrong. Think everyone else has posted within 72 hours.

[Xtoxm]

I think that's really stupid.

It's stupid to bandwagon someone because he hasnt posted, he could be a townie. Dont you suspect anyone? Are you unable to bandwagon someone for his scumyness?

Lurking is very scummy.

[Xtoxm]

Well then people shouldn't be lurking for scum to put an easy vote on. I always support lurker lynch.

[Xtoxm]

unvote vote musher

[Xtoxm]

So you agreed that the main bandwagonee is suspicious but then vote elsewhere?

[Xtoxm]

I'm overly careful with bandwagons. Not to be on one, but to be on one that might go too fast. I had some bad experience with fast bandwagons in some NG's.

If no-one bandwagoned no-one would ever be lynched.

MME continues to look scummy to me.

[Xtoxm]

You wanna claim?

[Xtoxm]

I think you're around L-2/3.

[Xtoxm]

Wait a minute.

Adel posts all possible roles in his first post.

Adel also posted sample roles in the QUEUE.

Vig and RB are in both places.

Musher, did you fail to read both the sign-up thread and the first post of this game?

(I'm doubting this is possible)

I'm pretty sure this point was brought up earlier, and despite it his bandwagon managed to disband.

...What's with goborage wagon?

[Xtoxm]

spring is lurking site wide, btw. Not that I approve.

Atm I think a musher wouldn't be bad.

Then why didn't you vote for him?

[Xtoxm]

Sierra - What you think of mush?

[Xtoxm]

I think asking me to claim when i am at l-4 not l2 is a bit of a strange thing, if i get voted to l-2 then i will claim.

Bandwagon needs more fuel...

[Xtoxm]

Xtox: Rolefishing there?

No. You could say lynchfishing, maybe.

[Xtoxm]

She was probably skimming and saw talk of my claim request and thought mush had claimed.

[Xtoxm]

She was probably skimming and saw talk of my claim request and thought mush had claimed.

then why did she unvote, based on a claim that didnt exist?

Well I think i'd rather let her field that one tbh.

[Xtoxm]

She is doing this in every game, as of late.

Not that it's at all helpful.

The reference to ongoing games in this post is almost unacceptable. The clarification Xtoxm gives in 392, in my opinion, keeps this analysis general enough to not be a rules violation.

~Adel

[Xtoxm]

I was referring only to the posts being down part.


This post is right on the line between an acceptable and unacceptable reference to an ongoing game.

~Adel

[Xtoxm]

BM that's flawed...What musher says is right...

[Xtoxm]

Defend myself...

Town lying is not useful, generally. Which is what you are arguing against. If he does happend to be NKed first night then it is useful, but I don't think that's likely to happen.

[Xtoxm]

Defend myself...

Town lying is not useful, generally. Which is what you are arguing against. If he does happend to be NKed first night then it is useful, but I don't think that's likely to happen.

with the doc dead, it might work alot better...

BM

Yes, but we might not have any docs, we might have multiple, and on N1 I really don't think scum would take the chance.

But he'd probably draw the scum RB if there is one. But in that case, still, in the long run I think the lying will be worse for town.

[Xtoxm]

it is one of those things...well, I said I would..therefore I will..if I didnt say it..I could find other things to distract me while being on the internet...

bottom line...I am in too many games atm..guess i thought I would have more free time...

(back to cleaning, while watching my hopes of catching BM in the "top posters on site"..guess I will just settle for top 20.)

Dude, i'm the least of your worries. We need to work together to take out Xtoxm. He's a fiend!!!

BM

Don't worry, my A-level exams are crippling my post rate

[Xtoxm]

A2

[Xtoxm]

A2

Nice. I got my AS's atm.

Cool. What you studying?

[Xtoxm]

Nice choices.

Maths, Further Maths, Physics. (And Crit thinking AS)

Dropped Chem at AS...Great decision on my part, there. Many horror stories bout the coursework.

[Xtoxm]

Crit thinking AS is a complete doss, only 3 lessons a fortnight (compared to 9 for all other subjects). Currently cruisung to a B in it, which is more than I expected given my English grades in GCSE. So i'm not the best one to ask about it. Do however have a friend doing pysics AS in the second year, he's in the Yr 12's class. So it's basically doing the exact same thing as you're doing with computing but a year later (atleast for my 6th form, anyway, could be diff at yours).

We're with Edexcel. You with them too?

[Xtoxm]

Not sure what the differences across exam boards are. Overall i'm pretty pleased with Edexcel. If they're any similar, C1 and C2 and beyond easy.

How you do in your jan maths exams?

[Xtoxm]

Not sure what the differences across exam boards are. Overall i'm pretty pleased with Edexcel. If they're any similar, C1 and C2 and beyond easy.

How you do in your jan maths exams?

only had C1. Got a medium B in it, which wasnt great, but im hoping i can pick up to an A overall with the other 2.

You are an insult to maths.

[Xtoxm]

In certain circumstances it can be scummy camn, particularly for newbies, this may or may not have been the case for you, but you were and currently are a townsperson.

[Xtoxm]

Oh, that post was by spring...Um...Ignore what I said lol.

[Xtoxm]

Not sure what the differences across exam boards are. Overall i'm pretty pleased with Edexcel. If they're any similar, C1 and C2 and beyond easy.

How you do in your jan maths exams?

only had C1. Got a medium B in it, which wasnt great, but im hoping i can pick up to an A overall with the other 2.

You are an insult to maths.

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

vote stands until i get an explanation or an apology.

BM

It was sarcastic

In my further maths class, anything below an A in the basic modules is "fail". Lol.

You can still get an A overall dropping marks there, just be that little bit harder.

But depends what you want to do after 6th form really. You might need not the A in maths.

[Xtoxm]

Votes without reasons aren't good. Let's lynch him.

There are far too many lurkers in this game, too.

We should go on a lurker witchhunt

[Xtoxm]

On the topic of RBT, he has not made a meaningful post in some time. I still haven't got a satisfactory response and he has not been scum-hunting. If you haven't done so already, I urge you guys to re-read RBT's posts. Don't worry, they're not very long or full of content.

I know but musher needs to die pronto.

We probably don't have enough people active to lynch.

[Xtoxm]

RBT drafts past musher. Boy, is this getting exciting now.

[Xtoxm]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

[Xtoxm]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

But you love bandwagons. I dont know why I agree with you, though. His last vote feels sillier than scummy and he has explained in a somehow decent and semifrustrated way. Suspecting his voters isnt compatible with a calculating scum that could have simply made a good case against Musher.

Want to give your vote a better home then?

[Xtoxm]

I don't like the way he doesn't seem to have any suspicions, and the whole not knowing roles thing.

[Xtoxm]

I'm not sure, but he either didn't read the first page or is trying to feign newbieness.

And I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have read the first page (with the roles), particularly if he was that new.

[Xtoxm]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

[sarcasm]Good posting[/sarcasm]

You imply this is poor posting. Why? I believe the opposite.

[Xtoxm]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

[sarcasm]Good posting[/sarcasm]

You imply this is poor posting. Why? I believe the opposite.

Why dont you like this wagon?

Because I think he is town.

[Xtoxm]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

[sarcasm]Good posting[/sarcasm]

You imply this is poor posting. Why? I believe the opposite.

Why dont you like this wagon?

Because I think he is town.

Care to elaborate?

Not particularly. I just get the feeling he's town.

[Xtoxm]

Why does xtoxm think RBT is town? Also there are still votes on Musher are people still convinced he is scum and is it for the same reason? We have 4 days of discussion and still need a lynch musher. Eventually some one will do the hammer because a no lynch is bad.

I've said why my vote is on musher. It wouldn't be there if I didn't think he was scum.

[Xtoxm]

Why does xtoxm think RBT is town? Also there are still votes on Musher are people still convinced he is scum and is it for the same reason? We have 4 days of discussion and still need a lynch musher. Eventually some one will do the hammer because a no lynch is bad.

I thought the person with the most votes was lynched if no decision was made by deadline?

Yes.

Selective reading of the first post?

[Xtoxm]

Currently it just feels like he is trying to derail a lynch with an ulterior motive.

That is not what I am doing.

[Xtoxm]

Oh and thnx BM

[Xtoxm]

Why does xtoxm think RBT is town? Also there are still votes on Musher are people still convinced he is scum and is it for the same reason? We have 4 days of discussion and still need a lynch musher. Eventually some one will do the hammer because a no lynch is bad.

I thought the person with the most votes was lynched if no decision was made by deadline?

Yes.

Selective reading of the first post?

With the current vote count, RBT would be lynched at the deadline (which is only 3 days away). I'm personally fine with that, especially with Xtoxm 'just having the feeling' he's town. I played in a game with Xtoxm before and I don't really trust his gut feeling anymore.

Yeh my first game

And it was you who mislynched on me on the last day where I was voting the scum

[Xtoxm]

Yeh i'd be happy to lynch one of the lurkers too.

[Xtoxm]

Wow BM you are an idiot

Qft.

[Xtoxm]

I don't think Farside's scummy there, just not looking at the situation properly.

Don't like how BM states his intention to be tunnel-visioned and the way he tried to cast suspicion on to me.

With RBT all it is is checking his isolation I get the feeling he's town, hence I defend him. I could well be wrong here, but that doesn't mean i'm just going to ignore it.

[Xtoxm]

I'm pretty damn sure, for obvious reasons, that Xtoxm is NOT a Cop.

And how is stating this pro-town?

Is it not advantageous for scum to think someone else is a cop?

Not liking BM at all...

[Xtoxm]

Lie claims aren't necessarily good for the town.

What?

[Xtoxm]

You suggested making lie claims would benefit the town because the scum would be confused.

How would we know if someone was fake claiming to save themselves?

Well not in a about to be lynched force claim situation no, but we don't want scum knowing where town's best roles are.

[Xtoxm]

Mod VC please before deadline

[Xtoxm]

whoa what?..did X really admit to fake bread crumbing cop?

No, they seem to be putting words into my mouth. I'm ignoring this argument against me.

[Xtoxm]

No.

[Xtoxm]

Whatever.

[Xtoxm]

Want to add yourself to my wagon..?

[Xtoxm]

musher>Far/RBT>Xtoxm

[Xtoxm]

What..You think i'm being scummy too? How??

[Xtoxm]

Those posts from BM are starting to make me very confident he's scum here.

And where have I played with you as scum, BM?

[Xtoxm]

Well deadline's today...Adel didn't specify a time but if it's the same time day started then presumably about 3 hours left.

[Xtoxm]

I have never been scum in a game with BM.

I was cult in a game modded by him.

I checked.

About Xtoxm I read a game about him where he hammered himself as a townie.

Yes, the circumstances required it.

[Xtoxm]

Those posts from BM are starting to make me very confident he's scum here.

And where have I played with you as scum, BM?

I didnt say 'i've played with you as scum once' i said 'i've seen you as scum once'. That game was ofc my most recent modding venture- Elemental Cult Mafia.

BM

BM just referenced an ongoing game.

Mod!!!

[Xtoxm]

Ah didn't notice this exception

*cite information posted by a moderator in another game (including alignment if it is revealed by the mod)

Have to work a bit harder to get rid of BM...

[Xtoxm]

Deadline has gone...Musher has been lynched...I think...

[Xtoxm]

If so then not yet so technically i can speak, when i turn up town remember who wanted me dead.

In other words...Me?

[Xtoxm]

If so then not yet so technically i can speak, when i turn up town remember who wanted me dead.

In other words...Me?

1 scumbag does not make a wagon.

BM

Well I pushed hardest. (I think), and it kinda sounds like he's refering to me...

[Xtoxm]

I think we lost our mod...

[Xtoxm]

I think we lost our mod...

it's been happening to me alot lately.

I dont think you were Musher's top suspect.

BM

Nope, won't post anymore seen as i should be dead right now.

You are not lynched, I believe you are allowed to talk until your lynch scene is posted. So if you want to say something, i'd go ahead and say it, personally.

[Xtoxm]

Please don't imply i'm your scumbuddy.

[Xtoxm]

BM just admitted he's scum.

[Xtoxm]

You wish...

You're just plain scum...

[Xtoxm]

You wish...

You're just plain scum...

I remember the days when you used to be so much better than this...

Huh?

What do you mean?

[Xtoxm]

You wish...

You're just plain scum...

I remember the days when you used to be so much better than this...

Huh?

What do you mean?

Evidently your memory is not as good as mine. lol

My long term memory is good, short term is poor. But that's not the problem here, what are you on about?

[Xtoxm]

That's funny on so many levels

So, you

are

scum, then..?

I even checked first page to ensure there isn't an insane cop, lol.

[Xtoxm]

Well clearly, BM is scum and he's jsut so scared of me that he has to do this to get rid of me.

If I die tonight and BM tries to say he was joking don't let him get away with this, be sure to lynch him.

And don't let him try and claim insane cop, because only sane cop is in the role pool.