NY 213 - Game Over!

[Creature]

Scum can't kill in any form other than their factional kill (and lynch obviously)

[Creature]

Any way we can line up these lynches?
Pine
texcat
TehBrawlGuy (reconsider if texcat flips town)
Vaxkiller
Scioness Sajj
Android18
Dunnstral (if all else fails)

[Creature]

because definitely Pine won't let me live for tomorrow

[Creature]

I'm probably going to end lynching Wheme anyway because PP is also a terrible mislynch

[Creature]

though if I hit all scum on my line up list, then they better not kill me otherwise they're guaranteeing themselves a loss (barring completely stupid townplay)

[Creature]

Scum, don't kill me if you don't want to lose the game.

[Creature]

Yeah Wheme not liking your play here

[Creature]

Nah, Ircher is online and I don't want this thread locked so soon

[Creature]

would be disappointing to have posted the entire scumteam on the thread, find out we mislynched the doc and afterwards town completely ignore me

[Creature]

lol this game is so easy to hyperpost as scum

JJD, why wouldn't you take that advantage as scum?

[Creature]

tbh Wheme and PP should like be cleared based on scum having dominance

[Creature]

should also indicate some scum hyperposting

[Creature]

Not everyday I flake out as town (I don't think I do as scum either)

[Creature]

Any way we can line up these lynches?
Pine
texcat
TehBrawlGuy (reconsider if texcat flips town)
Vaxkiller
Scioness Sajj
Android18
Dunnstral (if all else fails)

If game still doesn't end and JJD is still alive, you know where to look for

[Creature]

Wheme, are you going to post reads?

[Creature]

or can I hammer now?

[Creature]

Oh right, that KK post was horrible

Why was he town again?

[Creature]

still I may want to keep KK alive for a while to ensure my survival

[Creature]

saying that as scum is easy

[Creature]

VOTE: WhemeStar

[Creature]

Hopefully scum spares me expecting me to get prodded again

[Creature]

Probably my same scumreads from yesterday minus Android and TBG

[Creature]

VOTE: texcat

[Creature]

Ah stupid cookies

[Creature]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

[Creature]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

Scioness Sajj

[Creature]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

Scioness Sajj

Vaxkiller

[Creature]

I feel like my list is pretty good

[Creature]

vax, dunn, tbg, creature. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

Wasn't TBG like on Wheme?

[Creature]

also tf any town could resist to lynching a doc claim specially when it allows scum to eliminate all conftown/obvtown the next nights.

[Creature]

There isn't any Wheme->Creature link

Really?

Yeah you're just tunneling

[Creature]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

[Creature]

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but

I'm not sure it's alignment indicative

, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

dude you don't think that going balls to the wall to stop a scum lynch is alignment indicative? What game are you even playing?

The fact I tried to stop scum lynch (who apparently posted their reads when it was likely they were gonna get lynched anyway) isn't AI.

The way, the reasons and my motivations are AI.

Was I really trying to defend my buddy there or was I just town who thought I had a good reason to defend him?

Sorry, but the mafia game isn't about just lynching anyone who defended scum, otherwise town winrates would be stratospheric.

[Creature]

I'm also willing to redeem myself by lynching scum that was elsewhere yet didn't do anything about the Wheme or PP wagon

[Creature]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

Why DIDN'T you say this then? Since you kept saying that we shouldn't lynch a doc claim, wouldn't this have been the obvious suggestion?

I considered PP an equally bad lynch.

[Creature]

I agree. Town would win more if we did stuff like lynching people who hard defend scum.

You didn't get the message.

[Creature]

can dunn and vax be the only scum that were off the wagon?

(other than wheme himself, of course.)

Vax aint scum

???

[Creature]

Damn, I so miss the games I got lynched only D3

[Creature]

I considered PP an equally bad lynch.

So...

- You townread 2 people
- one is claiming doc and one is claiming VT
- You think they both equally a bad lynch

Are any of the above points incorrect?

- I had more townreads, but yeah, didn't like any of the two wagons. My townread on PP felt stronger than Wheme (who mostly relied on doc claim).
- Sure.
- PP likely wasn't gonna be wagoned anymore, while Wheme might still be pushed next day.

[Creature]

Oh, we completely forgot about D1 where I was hard whiteknighting osuka and then he died the moment I softened up.

[Creature]

Yeah no, that "he defended Wheme" is shit

[Creature]

Oh yay, Tchill is town.

So is Creature.

What the fuck.

Do people not actually read Creature posts?

Someone needs to link me to a scum-Creature game. All game people have been saying his scum game is obvious. And if it's somehow more obvious than this game, I have to see this for myself.

My scum game can be boiled down to "no hard stances, just hop into whatever comes", which is completely contradictory to this game.

[Creature]

Why would he hammer after he made the above posts? He just said he beleived the doc claim.

If you had something like "his predecessor claimed VT" or something that made this claim look unbelievable, then I'd change my mind.

[Creature]

Oh and he certainly didnt hammer after the sketchy claim was explained to him. He very much tried and tried to do ANYTHING besides hammer wheme.

It wasn't enough.

[Creature]

Trying to minimize what I wrote as "took too long"

3337 is pretty much it

[Creature]

Bwaaahaaahahhhahaa. WTF is this supposed to even mean? Is he saying that he's considering forcing a no-lynch which would make scum NK him? Whatever he's saying it makes absolutely no sense.

Nah, no way I'd ever want a nolynch. I was afraid Wheme was really the doc and would leave me vulnerable to die during the night.

[Creature]

lol @ maybe I can entertain a CFD. As if he wasnt the person who suggested it.

Sure, I can entertain my idea. Anything wrong with my word choice?

[Creature]

Same as his reads today. no reevaluation after the flip.

Pretty sure I reevaluated TBG.

texcat is still scum and she was voting off Wheme.

[Creature]

WTF is this shit?

Scum!Pine won't let me live.

Factional kill.

Understood?

[Creature]

Why is Wheme (claimed doc) better than PP (claimed VT)? He tried explaining this w/ something about Wheme getting pushed the next day. Horrible

Lynching PP to save doc claim was pretty stupid. It was either Wheme or a CFD.

[Creature]

just dumb and pointless. There's no way creature worries about a NK w/ several outed PRs.

unless I'm pretty confident in my towniness.

Oh look, that's a towntell.

[Creature]

So he ended up hammerring a doc claim that he beleived was completely legit.

If everybody wanted that...

[Creature]

If anyone is buying any of this contrived nonsense quit mafia ur terrible.

Your scumhunting career might be permanently damaged if I turn out to be town (assuming you're town this game).

[Creature]

Enjoy your Wheme credibility

but we town are going to look elsewhere while you'll waste your time today

[Creature]

Flavor Leaf probably put me in locktown tier because he knows this is way out of my scum range

Hopkirk is gonna follow Flavor Leaf probably

Ausuka also knows I'm way out of my scum range

basically you only have Kublai and yourself

[Creature]

Townreads - Creature, Dunn, golden robster, scioness sajj, Kublai (?)

Kublai weakest one because I’m not sure why I townreads him he just pings me that way

Scumreads- tehbrawlgiy, gamma, PP, lalendra

Kublai probably town

[Creature]

JJD, GR, Wheme, Gamma and me

Maybe we can pull a CFD?

I'm not CFDing unless wheme can explain how he hasn't been playing very weirdly to his past meta

Gamma looks alright.

[Creature]

so Mylo's not posting comfortably?

[Creature]

hey Creature what about Dunn?

I'm bad at reading him hence why I put him as like last option from my scumlist.

[Creature]

But if someone does want to give me some meta, I'd love to see a game where creature was town and opposed a wagon as strongly as he did here.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542

maybe that serves?

[Creature]

there are plenty of games I hard opposed a wagon (some I let it go through because I softened up, others I forgot).

[Creature]

But if someone does want to give me some meta, I'd love to see a game where creature was town and opposed a wagon as strongly as he did here.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542

maybe that serves?

That's a monster ISO. Any chance u can direct me to the day or specific lynch?

Go to my ISO, start from like 2952.

[Creature]

LQ didn't claim doc, so I had less to say.

[Creature]

VOTE: Lalendra

[Creature]

Oh yay, Tchill is town.

So is Creature.

What the fuck.

Do people not actually read Creature posts?

Someone needs to link me to a scum-Creature game. All game people have been saying his scum game is obvious. And if it's somehow more obvious than this game, I have to see this for myself.

Yeah I don't understand why creature is getting defended here.

They've played with scum!me

that's the crutial point.

[Creature]

Nobody want to join me on Lalendra?

She's on my list. Gonna stay riding the creature wagon for a while.

Whatever, Lalendra's gonna take a while to show up anyway.

[Creature]

Let's continue playing one-sided dodgeball?

[Creature]

I'm really bored and maybe answering scumcases on me might be fun.

[Creature]

Android slot anyone?

Ankamius? Nah

[Creature]

Android slot anyone?

Ankamius? Nah

cuz why? You like dat ISO?

nah, because he replaced out

[Creature]

Hell no you won't

[Creature]

gotta eliminate some of my scumreads

[Creature]

we have like five scum left if there's no SK right?

[Creature]

VOTE: texcat

[Creature]

also Vaxkiller, you aren't looking good

[Creature]

expected you to have obvtowned already

[Creature]

expected you to have obvtowned already

he obvtowned when he fakeclaimed vig.

Oh right

(even though I also did)

[Creature]

I may be even-night vigilante and I intend to vig Pine tonight

For mafia doctors

[Creature]

Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

[Creature]

Too many scum to lynch

[Creature]

This game is boring

[Creature]

Call me when the obvscum are all gone

[Creature]

I need to read my scientific bible now.

[Creature]

Creature, are you disliking any of these lynches (Lalendra, Scion, TBG, maybe Pine)?

No, at most am hesitant about TBG.

[Creature]

Maybe I am still even-night vigilante and someone blocked my kill >_<

[Creature]

Sure, I can't even rolefish myself.

[Creature]

Oh let me find that quote I was too lazy to look for earlier

[Creature]

I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against the wagon that's forming, other than to say I'm town. I prefer to spend my time trying to find the actual scum. But I'll answer any questions people have.

[Creature]

Yeh, so we're going stactionary?

[Creature]

You realise your tunnel is going nowhere, right?

[Creature]

Lalendra wagon is alright

[Creature]

VOTE: Myloninja13

[Creature]

Anything new?

[Creature]

I used to be more active when I had to defend someone

[Creature]

Did Vax do something useful?

[Creature]

Don't worry, town know what they're doing, they lynched WhemeStar

[Creature]

this is what I get for playing mafia while watching TV

thought about watching Teen Wolf, but it's gonna take quite long.

[Creature]

It's like 20:04 PM for me and I can stay awake till like 00:00 AM.

For some reason I take like the double of time (or more) a normal person takes to watch a TV series episode.

Do you think it's worth it?

[Creature]

plus I have the song contest I haven't even started listening to, but it really bores me.

[Creature]

Alternatively, I can get my magical notebook and try to write some of my fiction I haven't even started writing.

[Creature]

What do you think?

[Creature]

(damn, thought I could be entertaining)

[Creature]

It's like 20:04 PM for me and I can stay awake till like 00:00 AM.

For some reason I take like the double of time (or more) a normal person takes to watch a TV series episode.

Do you think it's worth it?

where do you live that puts you in GMT-4? PR? brazil?

Brazil, but it's supposed to be -3.00

[Creature]

Hey, I can CFD texcat too.

[Creature]

though, lately I've been like "but damn, that player might be just pretty lynchbait"

and like a lot of players rn feel like lynchbait

[Creature]

maybe we can just return to where JJD is because he's the scumhunter we need

[Creature]

My holidays are counted

[Creature]

Mylo is pretty lynchbait, but I thought Ausuka had a solid meta read on him (Ausuka knows better than whoever was saying Mylo felt town).

[Creature]

I don't have something heavily indicating texcat scum either, except the fact she insisted on staying offwagon yesterday.

[Creature]

Crazy Food Duel

[Creature]

a) Stick with Mylo wagon, because he looks awkward
b) Hop back to Lalendra wagon, because JJD is on it
c) CFD texcat, because texcat was offwagon yesterday

[Creature]

Kay

VOTE: texcat

[Creature]

Damn, I lost 20 minutes from my holidays

[Creature]

also feels calculated and coming from scum

if anything texcat and mylo are lynchbait through and through and you guys are pushing them with shitty intentions

So we return to Lalendra wagon?

[Creature]

"blah blah blah scum were all harddefending wheme blah blah blah"

[Creature]

Okay, you rock

VOTE: Lalendra

[Creature]

Hmm. After Ankamius makes the observation that Lalendra might be town because the wagon is too town, both Creature and Vaxkiller jump to try to revive it.

I'm sheeping Lalendra.

Also it's not gonna be my fault if we end not lynching any scum just because someone thinks scum voting = wagon is on town.

[Creature]

*JJD, not Lalendra

[Creature]

Hmm. After Ankamius makes the observation that Lalendra might be town because the wagon is too town, both Creature and Vaxkiller jump to try to revive it.

are you starting to see why I'm really not liking Creature right now

No matter what wagon I join you'll say it's a bad wagon.

[Creature]

Cool, all players that play with me in a constant basis have called me town just so players that played at most 1 game with me recently wagon me thinking they can read me.

[Creature]

lol, and just that one game Kublai played with me I was harddefending one scum D1.

[Creature]

Surprise

Kublai's push on me is fake

VOTE: Kublai

[Creature]

(he probably thought he could look town by looking tough)

[Creature]

Okay, I'm all caught up!

I can get behind this Creature wagon!

VOTE: Creature

otherwise we have this scum who hops on any wagon available

[Creature]

Played like that as scum a lot

[Creature]

idk, Ausuka knows better about Myloninja

[Creature]

but still, it looks like Mylo is fine with any wagon.

[Creature]

VOTE: creature

???

[Creature]

Who's most likely scum between Kublai and TBG?

[Creature]

*Hint Hint* Creature is the best wagon *Hint Hint*

Good night guys!

The wagon on the most obvtown non-clear is the best wagon?

[Creature]

VOTE: Lalendra

[Creature]

I could try to CFD, but most likely someone will come up saying the wagon is scummy.

Every wagon attempt on anyone is scummy.

[Creature]

Oh right, there's still that PP wagon no one wants to talk about.

[Creature]

I'd have no incentive to put effort on this game if I was scum.

It's like just lurk and win.

[Creature]

I was pretty alright before the Wheme stuff yesterday, and I could've just abandoned him because he was hopeless anyway.

[Creature]

What about "I'm posting content"?

[Creature]

Like if he was spamming the thread with the letter "a" yeah, that's NAI.

don't think I've ever done that.

[Creature]

Two words: scum bus

[Creature]

creature> mylo> lalendra

Okay this is bad

Explain

[Creature]

also texcat is still a viable wagon

[Creature]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Lalendra

VOTE: texcat

VOTE: Myloninja13

Kay

VOTE: texcat

Okay, you rock

VOTE: Lalendra

Surprise

Kublai's push on me is fake

VOTE: Kublai

VOTE: Lalendra

That's like four wagons. texcat I was the original pusher. Myloninja I asked multiple times. Lalendra is more of a sheep.

Kublai is actually the new surprise because I'm not feeling like letting scum away tunneling me (yeah, sometimes scum tunnels me and I have examples).

[Creature]

if you're town then you should be able to persuade us instead of

"this is my town game, when I'm mafia I lurk"

like what kind of shit reasoning is this?

What's the motivation for scum!me to call Wheme wagon a mislynch even though it was likely he was gonna be lynched anyway?

[Creature]

I can't wrap my mind around the idea that someone is so terrible at mafia that the content of what they post is irrelevant, it's only the number of posts that I should pay attention to. Plus, HE'S COMPLETELY AWARE OF THIS META.

all of this

It's mostly about the content.

Town doesn't care how bad their posts may look.

Only scum actually cares about how good their content looks.

[Creature]

Ugh, this gonna be a pain

[Creature]

Assuming this is singleball:
N=Mx4+1

where N = total number of players and M = number of mafia.

2x4+1=9 (7:2)
3x4+1=13 (10:3)
4x4+1=17 (13:4)
5x4+1=21 (16:5)
6x4+1=25 (19:6)

[Creature]

so we likely have a total of 6 scum and with 1 dead, we have 5 left to find.

[Creature]

From my PoV scum are among:
1. Dunnstral
4. Golden Robster
5. Krazy
7. Kublai Khan
10. Gamma Emerald
12. Lalendra
13. Tchill13
14. Skygazer
15. JarJarDrinks
17. Ankamius
18. Texcat
19. TehBrawlGuy
20. Vaxkiller
21. Wavemode
22. PenguinPower
23. Myloninja13
24. Scioness Sajj

[Creature]

Preliminary townreads:
1. Dunnstral

4. Golden Robster

5. Krazy
7. Kublai Khan

10. Gamma Emerald

12. Lalendra

13. Tchill13

14. Skygazer

15. JarJarDrinks
17. Ankamius
18. Texcat
19. TehBrawlGuy
20. Vaxkiller
21. Wavemode

22. PenguinPower

23. Myloninja13
24. Scioness Sajj

[Creature]

Oh right, there's still that PP wagon no one wants to talk about.

I don't think PP is scum based on the fact that he was a counterwagon to now-confscum.

What about the players on his wagon?

[Creature]

lol when townhunting is as boring as biology class.

[Creature]

yeh, so I have like 12 scum candidates

among them real scumreads, practically nulls and paranoias

[Creature]

Tell me about some scummy EOD:

Day 2 VC #37 (LYNCH)

Golden Robster (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Andriod18 (2533)

WhemeStar (12) (HAMMER @ 3453) - Flavor Leaf (2958), PenguinPower (2962), Wavemode (

2966

3115), Hopkirk (3008), Kublai Khan (3027), JarJarDrinks (3030), Lalendra (3097), TehBrawlGuy (3233), Golden Robster (3286), Ausuka (3293), Gamma Emerald (3318), Creature (3453)*

Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (0) -
Andriod18 (1) - Pine (1936)
Texcat (0) -
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Dunnstral (3248)
Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (0) -

PenguinPower (5) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437), WhemeStar (2930), Scioness Sajj (3255), Vaxkiller (3290)

Myloninja13 (1) - Texcat (2552)
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Frozen Angel

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:15 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:15:00).

[Creature]

(geez the complexity of a VC)

[Creature]

Who stayed offwagon?

[Creature]

My trajectory has been like "is it possible to pull a CFD?" to "nvm, just don't wanna immediatelly end the day"

[Creature]

Oh hi wavemode, what have you been doing lately?

[Creature]

I don't like the fact that creature is Town reading everyone I'm scum reading, and vice versa.

lol what?

[Creature]

ignoring me creature?

I answered you three posts above.

[Creature]

Nor does he look very good in my revaluation of the penguin Power Wagon, considering that he stayed off of Wheme's wagon until the last possible moment and then jumped on to hammer it for Town cred.

Yeah, I didn't want to straight out hammer it because I wanted to post my thoughts.

[Creature]

It's like 20:04 PM for me and I can stay awake till like 00:00 AM.

For some reason I take like the double of time (or more) a normal person takes to watch a TV series episode.

Do you think it's worth it?

Do you do like an ongoing commentary while watching or...?
I've heard about Teen Wolf a bit and it sounds like populist garbage

Nah, I like alternate between watching it and reading some book about something else.

also I guess I care more about the shapeshifting.

[Creature]

Alternatively, I can get my magical notebook and try to write some of my fiction I haven't even started writing.

Bruh
I have been in that state for years, wanting to write something but not being able to actually /write/ it. I'm getting better now though, and have a good idea of what I want to write

I also do have an idea but I can't even get my plot to make sense.

[Creature]

Kay

VOTE: texcat

Something about tex's tone has struck me as towny tbh

Not sure how to read texcat, just hated her position EOD2.

[Creature]

I am getting cold feet on that Lalendra wagon.

[Creature]

also think there's atleast one scum on my wagon.

[Creature]

Alternatively, I can get my magical notebook and try to write some of my fiction I haven't even started writing.

Bruh
I have been in that state for years, wanting to write something but not being able to actually /write/ it. I'm getting better now though, and have a good idea of what I want to write

I also do have an idea but I can't even get my plot to make sense.

I have been mentally tweaking my plot for weeks at this point, I've finally managed to settle on a good premise within the last couple months
We should continue this elsewhere/later

Uh sure, never tried collab writing and don't think it'll work.

[Creature]

thought the subject was the most interesting going on rn.

[Creature]

what are the cons to lynching creature instead of lalendra?

I could be town.
You'd be lynching someone who's self-resolving while there are scummier players.
Scum are gonna dedicate their victory to you.

[Creature]

I'm going FULL VANITY

Vote Gamma

but Krazy, you never go FULL VANITY!

I feel like Lalendra is a straight coinflip. Tails she's town, heads she's scum. No idea how I'm ever supposed to sort her with naked votes, and I'm not strongly opposed to getting rid of nulls if it means we can focus better tomorrow. If we want her L-1 I'm down, but I still feel like this is a pretty weak case.

k, but there are better vanity wagons.

[Creature]

Okay, gonna fulltrust you on Lalendra

[Creature]

Lalendra's vote on me feels like she thinks she has no other option to preserve herself.

[Creature]

Why is Vaxkiller town again?

[Creature]

I don't understand why ppl are voting this instead of creature

I am also a bad lynch.

[Creature]

I don't understand why ppl are voting this instead of creature

I am also a bad lynch.

ur not town

Your words won't make my role PM any different.

[Creature]

Robster you are not voting based on meta right?

lol he isn't

[Creature]

One scum flip isn't excuse enough to finely mislynch me

[Creature]

Why would you believe the doctor claim? Even in real time? It's almost inexcusable to believe it all imo.

One link: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75347

[Creature]

I wasn't sure whether the claim was that believable (the why it was stretch explanation wasn't that good either), just felt like we should keep it alive so we don't have scum like "yay we can now kill anyone"

[Creature]

Are we going to still talk about yesterday?

[Creature]

The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

or scum are inexperienced and are hopping into whatever comes (mislynch or bus).

[Creature]

Lalendra wagon also has some bad players on it, like Vaxkiller.

[Creature]

[Creature]

Kublai's voting Gamma just because I don't support it?

[Creature]

Okay, say you're scum and some town is defending your buddy that is likely getting lynched, what do you do?

[Creature]

Oh wavemode returned from dead

[Creature]

now only Vaxkiller looks bad on the Lalendra wagon

other than that the Lalendra wagon looks alright

[Creature]

Images are broken D:

[Creature]

Okay, so I think Lalendra wagon is pure besides Vaxkiller

[Creature]

Do you dislike anyone from Lalendra wagon?

[Creature]

For me it was "In JJD we trust"

[Creature]

So, am I the only reading Creature and Vaxkiller as scummates?

Why not just Vaxkiller?

[Creature]

Pretty much. Im town, creatures town, get over it.


Why do you think we should think ur town kublai?

Most of your posts lately have been "I'm town" and calling me town.

[Creature]

If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

What about we lynch some other scum first?

[Creature]

Are we going to wait until the last minute?

[Creature]

lol Wheme believes so much in my towniness

Scum are counting on me to deepwolf this game

[Creature]

Damn, it's a shame Tchill isn't a new name to scratch out of my list

[Creature]

Yeah, Dunnstral can go tomorrow.

[Creature]

since we can't switch today anymore

[Creature]

deepwolf this game

I have no idea what this expression means.

Something like powerwolf/powerscum. Scum playing hard enough to reach endgame.

Example: MagnaofIllusion in The Thing

[Creature]

Oh it's already hammered

[Creature]

In JJD we trust