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Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!
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Several people have misrepresented me as the person putting on the L-1 vote without giving warning. I was clearly the 6th vote with 8 to lynch, thus only getting Surye at L-2, which is significantly less dangerous than L-1. This warrants anFOS: ABRsince he started the misrepresentation.
Also a bigFOS: Coolbotfor his over-eagerness to see a claim.The end justifies the means.-
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Elias wrote:So...has anything actually relevant happened here yet? So far I see a baseless wagon on coolbot leading to a useless vanilla claim and thats about it.
I love how both of you are complaining that nothing relevant has happened while you both also are saying nothing relevant for pretty much the whole game.camisade wrote:yeah pretty much.The end justifies the means.-
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I think there would always be scum on wagons, whether it is scum trying to lynch town or bus scumbuddy.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I smell scum on this wagon.
What was so hard about looking at the vote count at the top of the page and seeing 1 unvote and 2 votes?Kison wrote:What's Coolbot at vote wise?The end justifies the means.-
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Personally I ignore player metas, so I don't consider town/scum tells based on if people are behaving the same or differently relative to past games.shaft.ed wrote:I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?
To what extent do you consider players' metas to be town/scum tells?The end justifies the means.-
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From the outside perspective, yes ABR's arguments have been mostly crap, but from ABR's own perspective, the sincerity of his efforts leads me to believe ABRtown is more likely than ABRscum. And his recent claim IMO reaffirmed this, because while most will think RBer is a scum role, the meta breaking nature of this game makes a town RBer more likely.Elias wrote:He seems genuine in his efforts? What kind of BS is that? If a scum is genuine in his efforts to quicklynch a townie, is that a town tell? If the answer is no (which it better be) then why is being genuine in leading a completely baseless wagon on obvioulsy terrible meta when all of your arguments have been soundly defeated without proper response possibly a town tell either?The end justifies the means.-
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First I'm taking a look at the CoolBot wagons, which likely have scum.
CoolBot reaches L-1 in VC#8: {Surye, shaft.ed, Albert, Ectomancer, Adel, pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia}
CoolBot is lynched VC#20 {pickemgenius, Machiavellian-Mafia, shaft.ed, Surye, the silent speaker, Kison, farside22, Adel/Gorrad*}
*Adel actually hammered first but misspelled vote. Gorrad successfully hammered.
Common players among both wagons: {MM, PEG, Surye, Shaft.ed, Ecto/Gorrad}
PEG - Generally non-contributor during D1. Full of one-liners. No reasoning whatsoever. Leaning scum.FOS: PEG
Surye - Defended himself well against early D1 attacks and justified his suspicions towards CoolBot. Leaning town.
Shaft.ed - One of the most protown players thus far. Had valid reasons for CoolBot vote. Leaning town.
Ecto/Gorrad - Ecto was a little bit better than PEG, but still a general non-contributor. Gorrad seems to be an improvement, but currently there are too few posts from Gorrad to make judgement. Neutral.The end justifies the means.-
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I think scum would be more likely to be on a scummy player since it's an easy wagon to hop on. I can't see how a town player's lynch wagon consists of all town.Rosso Carne wrote:MMk. I honeslty don't think that the coolbot wagon is anywhere near the place to look for scum. He did some scummy shit, flat out, and that means people SHOULD lynch him. I'm always an advocate of lynching someone scummy and standing by it.The end justifies the means.-
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After rereading, I find Rosso's play to be just as bad as PEG's. He always seemed to push for certain players' lynches without backing them up with votes. FOS: Rosso
I also revisited the derailment of the Surye wagon, and I find some validity in the Adel/Surye connection. Adel first derails that wagon by subtly complying with ABR's request of "we should all lower our guns", then immediately switches to me for the misrepresented reason of "putting him at L-1" when my vote was L-2. After that Adel fakes re-voting Surye, as if to paint the picture he is trying to undo the derailment. Then the CoolBot wagon gained strength with Adel hopping onto that as well, and Adel rarely if ever mentioned Surye again.
Thus,Unvote, Vote: Surye. I believe that's L-2.The end justifies the means.-
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I currently buy Surye's claim, because as others have said, his partner can confirm him. With the deadline coming up soon I will reread specifically at Tar and to a lesser extent Ecto/Gorrad since they seem to be the two most likely lynches to happen today. I will reach a decision later today.The end justifies the means.-
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Although Tar was basically nonexistent D1, I get much better vibes from him in his recent posts, which made sense and had some valid points. I don't think Tar is the lynch today.
On the other hand, I like a Gorrad lynch much better. His predecessor Ecto was one of those general non-contributors who posted mostly one-liners with no reasoning and was involved in the Surye derailment. And since I'm currently buying Xtoxm's claim, I see Gorrad's strong reactions to Xtoxm as signs of more likely SK than not.
Unvote, Vote: GorradThe end justifies the means.-
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I think it makes the most sense for an SK to react strongly to that claim to try to discredit the SK investigator. Now taking into account Gorrad's overeager vig claim, I find it more likely that one of Xtoxm and Gorrad is lying, rather than both claiming truth. I buy Tar's claim.Gorrad wrote:MM why do you think he's a likely SK? That's a big stretch based off of a single comment in my eyes.
I can go with the plan regarding Gorrad and Xtoxm. I also have no problem with a Rosso lynch, as I have expressed suspicion before and Surye made some valid analysis. I believe this vote will be the 6th vote, or L-1:Unvote, Vote: RossoThe end justifies the means.-
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I see your "thin air" comment as a misrepresentation. During one of my rereads yesterday I found Rosso to be as scummy as PEG since they were both severe non-contributors. Also I remember a couple of other players express suspicions about Rosso before I did.Tar wrote:MM - Defended farside on the same reasons that Adel did. FoS'ed Rosso Carne out of what seems to be thin air, then voted him at deadline. If there is a non-Mafia mafia-aligned role, I'd say he's it.The end justifies the means.-
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Sorry for not posting in a week. The hotel I am staying at did not have its internet working for a while, and when I did get internet I found out the Chinese government blocked mafiascum! Since I'm really dumb with computers, it took me a few more days to figure out I should use proxy sites. So I'll give a serious post in the next 24 hours.The end justifies the means.-
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Claim: insane or paranoid daycop
Initially I was not told of my sanity, but I figured it out through my investigations that I have to be either insane or paranoid.
Day 1: Investigated CoolBot because of his claim-demanding scummy behavior and got mafia/guilty, thus my aggressiveness towards getting him lynched is the breadcrumb.
Day 2: Investigated Tar due to strong suspicion at that time and got mafia/guilty. I recall 1 post in which I said "specifically" look at Tar, which was the breadcrumb. Also after Tar claimed, I said "buy" instead of "currently buy" for the claim, which breadcrumbed that I have very strong belief in the claim due to my investigation and Tar's claimed flavor matching mine.
Day 3: Investigated PEG due to strong suspicion and got mafia/guilty. I recall 1 post in which I said "I see PEG in a more positive light", which was the breadcrumb.
I think my role is more likely to be insane than paranoid because I believe Tar and PEG to be town. Hopefully my investigation for today can result in a not mafia/innocent.The end justifies the means.-
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@shaft.ed: I already investigated PEG yesterday, and I did send it in to Adel.
My result on Surye is again mafia/guilty. Since now I have 4 of the same results, I'm taking the paranoid sanity as equally possible as insane. And paranoid daycop would definitely fit as meta-breaking.The end justifies the means.-
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I'm calling BS on this one. How convenient that you break out the guilty in this probable LYLO situation. Your fakeclaim is all making sense now.
First you choose to no-kill Night 2 to fool the town into thinking TSdoc successfully protected you.
Then you still do not kill TSdoc Night 3 since you knew you probably would draw the protection again.
Next when TSdoc indicated she might not protect you anymore Day 4, you killed her Night 4.
And now you go for the win.
Finally, a sane cop + doc combo is the ultimate anti-meta-breaking role pair in mafia.
Vote: TarThe end justifies the means.-
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Actually my reaction was the opposite of incredulous. At that time I had just day-investigated Tar and thought it was highly likely my sanity was insane due to CoolBot flipping town, so I believed Tar's claim. Obviously now I know Tar is fakeclaiming and my sanity is paranoid.shaft.ed wrote:I need to reread MM reaction to Tar's claim. I would expect it to be rather incredulous.The end justifies the means.-
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