large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

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VOTE: RuiRui

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Performer is town.

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Whoosh.

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I don’t like it when people take early claims too seriously.

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I don’t.

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VOTE: Nom

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They’re very sheepable.

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They’re very sheepable.

I love you too.

<3

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Hello Nero how are you?

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Hey guys I’ve just found scum.

VOTE: Axehole

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How confusing.

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I do often wonder why people think those exist.

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Am I really attacking it though?

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Interesting.

I’m keeping my vote here.

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I’ve also never understood how people can make such detailed read lists and actually believe them at this stage. Find one scum and lynch them I say.

I will start trying soon dw.

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Sky the only person I have memory of from that is Axe. Should I be worried?

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Yeah actually that’s not like Buj. But does the nerfing reduce his post count?

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It is opposite of detailed, as Nero Cain so aptly pointed out.

Tbh I didn’t really read it, so I wouldn’t know beyond its appearance.

Maybe we’re all scum together :O

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Hey Sky Nero vote Axe with us pls thx

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There’s something about large normals.

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Hi roster. I want to know who else you scumread .

I don’t scumread anyone else yet. Though I townread you <3

Nero always has hyper activity. It could be worse.

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Why?

Also Nom I thought you gave reasons

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VOTE: Eevee

Hey look I have a vote!

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Hey I'm being ineffective.

But who should I vote?

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*Buj

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VOTE: rosterfoster
he feels most skippy to me tbh. i also dont really like the vote on me? idk its weird he hasnt bothered explaining any of his votes but i assume the first one or two was RVS. overall he seems bareminimum tbh. idk the reasoning. i would prefer him answer personaly

I don’t really explain votes I have minimal reasons for. Soz :/

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Nah.

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Like why?

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I said you were town? I can’t say I remember a single one of your posts.

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Oh I see.

Yeah don’t take anything I say in RVS seriously.

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VOTE: Performer

Can I join you’re not-yet-made wagon pls?

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Eh? There’s nothing wrong with a singular scumread.

I’m really not giving this game atm, let me see if I can join a wagon.

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VOTE: Sky

*vibing.

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The rules say 3 scum.

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We’re vibing. Hatin’

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Hey let’s go with the flow!

VOTE: Nero

FN is something we can sort tomorrow IMO. I feel like I wanna sheep Axe.

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I forgot she was playing.

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You know this for sure? Lol.

VOTE: TheWizard

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And he would say that as scum why?

To be clear you’re not retracting?

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^this like basically confirms Wizzard scum.

The reason he’s not responded to my confirmation is that he was waiting for Axe to confirm so he can retract. Unfortunately Axe posted first but I think Wizard was probably online so this condems him IMO.

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If Axe knew Wizards claim was fake why did he ever spend any time voting anyone else?

Because they thought it was a joke/not genuine claim.

I wouldn't have said anything if I was informed tbh.

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Tbf it might not be as hard as that. Like informed roles can be about what CAN exist, and nothing else, no?

Your call if you wanna claim Axe.

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Fair enough.

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*tries I think he meant.

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Ehh I mean if you think it was a joke?

Also in what world do scum claim this?

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Zzz.

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From that one post? Did you read his ISO?
Does this mean you scumread axe?

Fun fact: He bullshits.

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The way I see it we have a role locker claim and a claim that there isn’t a roleblocker.

Pretty simple, no?

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*blocker

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He’s scum who just decided it was a brilliant idea to 1V1 a town in the full knowledge that he’d be lynched tomorrow?

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It's weird that you think wiz flipping town means axe would be lynched

Axe literally said it? That’s pretty strong evidence to believe him for me tbh.

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Well yeah because usually the other person is scum.

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Like I understand it is very weird but Wizard did reiterate the claim and for me this goes well past town fake-claiming territory.

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He must have seen that axe said it couldn’t exist though. I don’t buy for a second that he didn’t, and at that point most town players would retract IMO

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Oh yeah for sure Eevee

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Axe you’re disturbing me.

Can you claim

something

pls so I know you’re not gambiting. Doesn’t have to be a fullclaim.

And no I’m not going to believe Wizard when/if he retracts.

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Can you not ignore my post?

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My biggest thing is that he supposedly had a guilty on Wiz but was pushing elsewhere for most of the game and I don't think he's explained why.

That’s not a scumtell, so don’t throw shade on it ty

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Sick hasn’t posted in ages? Or am I being stupid?

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Can you not ignore my post?

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Btw if you say no I’m just going to assume you’re deluded town and vote away from Wizard.

Probably not on to you though.

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I can’t remember.

I don’t remember speaking to him but I am forgetful sometimes.

Pedit: There is only one active PR claim that I can see. Care to tell me the others?

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Oh I forgot about Sky.

Flavour bullshits, I don’t remember the saudade/wagon thing, I’ll take a look at that.

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The wagon claim looks legit though, but even night isn’t very strong.

And you’re saying this is all on setup spec effectively?

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-I don’t think Flavour’s really weely strong PR
-I’m going to take this as an informed claim. I don’t really see why you wouldn’t out the info at this stage but w/e. The setup is probably balanced so that doesn’t make sense.

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I didn't appreciate his "secret scum tell" thing and how he doesn't want to out his reason.

That's not scummy.

You think it's a safer Lynch than Wizard because Wizard might be RB'er?

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You still think he’s messing around FL?

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Probably forever tbh.

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Oh yeah wagon how long are you gonna ride the vanity wagon for?

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the performer read in particular seems fake

That’s because it was.

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Because I didn’t have real reads.

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Because I didn’t have real reads.

but what was the point of posting a fake read?

What’s the point in doing nothing?

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So as I understand it...

-Axe flailed IC and is saying that town roleblocker is too much by setup spec. Yes, thanks for leading us down this rabbit hole Axe. It’s entirely possible that scum have strong PR’s to compensate IMO so I don’t think this does anything to condemn TW.

However his lack of communication etc is scummy, so I’m OK with this lynch, and I don’t think we’re going to change it before deadline anyway.

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*claimed

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maybe you should replace out if you plan on doing nothing?

That’s why I was doing something, but OK.

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We really don’t. It’s D2 of a large confirmed 3 mafia.

I think I know what Sky’s getting at so scum might have figured it out already (unless I’m completely wrong ofc).

It’s not verifiable, and Buj has been scummy so like I don’t feel I trust that result either.

VOTE: Sky

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If we take the friendly neighbour claim at face value there’s only one role she could be claiming no?

This does not mean we need a massclaim.

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Lol.

Flavour was right.

There’s only really 2 claims nom. It could be worse.

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Like I think Sky should just fullclaim because it’s pretty obvious. But otherwise, no.

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Yeah that’s a remarkably convenient claim.

It does almost make me think whether this is setup WIFOM but most likely Sky is just scum.

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Axe explain. My PoE is approximately 10.

I kind of see Nom but IDK. It feels wrong.

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The issue with your claim is... Why not just straight up claim disloyal if that's your full claim?

Obviously she wouldn’t claim disloyal. That’s like the least sensible thing to do as town.

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I think she’s scum but don’t scumread her for that.

Axe you know what disloyal is right?

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If she claimed disloyal the role would be completely indefectible. That is one of the situations where it would be 100% best play to slightly lie as town.

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Ironically I mean the opposite of indefectible.

Pedit: There will never be any result for a claimed disloyal friendly neighbour. Scum would just deny receiving it.

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For all the reasons to scumread Sky that is not one of them.

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She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

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Axe I think she flips scum.

But that’s 100% was a disloyal town friendly neighbour would do. It’s not always bad to slightly bend the truth.

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Speedwagon gogogo.

VOTE: Bob

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I don’t think I’ve ever felt such a weak OMGUS attempt.

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Sorry but why would she claim disloyal? It literally makes no sense to do so.

I do feel the claim is very convenient, but on the other hand if bob flips scum he seemed way too eager to jump on for that to be SvS

Pedit: After claiming disloyal is useless.

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Loyal would townclear. Disloyal is useles once the cat’s out the proverbial bag (this is another reason the claim is convenient for scum).

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Sky, But if you’re a deepwolf then dumbtelling helps no?

I’ve lost faith in the whole ‘call something antitown = scum’ thing.

Why aren’t you pushing on Bob Flavour?

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Roster who are your top 3 town reads?

I’ve not really been doing TR’s this game.

Mechanically I really doubt Buj is scum, even if Sky is lying.

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I find it reasonably unlikely that Sky inno’d a partner if scum.

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We exist in a different plane of existence to you.

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*Gasp*

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Go you!

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I like to think scum Nero would have the brainpower to check that doctor doesn’t exist before fake claiming.

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But he’s not claimed anything so y’know

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I was going to say it’s in the rules, but then I checked and it wasn’t

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I thought that’s what you meant.

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Yeah and I thought you meant the rules said that.

You really shouldn’t have claimed that though.

Why do you rethink Nero claimed Doctor?

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I play different in every game. Just depends on how I’m feeling.

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If you really want to meta-dive that you’ll see.

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Can someone (not Axe) tell me who to vote?

I’m SICK OF IT (hahahaha).

For real though these last 5 pages are content less rubbish that I wish I didn’t read.

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Axe you know I love you but sometimes you’re a little bit stubborn.

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I wouldn’t have asked that question if I had any which seem to be going anywhere.

I still SR Bob for the way he jumped onto Sky, which makes Sky and Buj town.

I haven’t felt anything from Sick at all (like I don’t remember anything they said).

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Why do you think it's incorrect? I don't see how 'not trying to be anything in particular' is townie?

I looked through Sick's ISO and it's scummy/not townie ofc but I don't see a good reason why that's a better push than bob.

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VOTE: RuiRui

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VOTE: Sickofit

Maybe I should trust you more Axe.

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See I mended it <3

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Catches ‘em all!

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VOTE: RuiRui

Maybe this will encourage some more thoughts.

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There’s a ton of WIFOM there, but of course that’s more likely to come from town. Does that mean she’s town? No. And we’re never going to discover this unless she becomes more active.

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VOTE: SickOfIt

This game needs a spark.

RuiRui if you're town please do something tomorrow.

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That doesn’t mean it’s not AI.

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This gives me a bad feeling as you have certain people in your townblock and put me as an sr.

I really hate this.

It's obvious he didn't actually read the post (where Sky pointed out that he wasn't really a SR), he takes a very small quote, starts throwing shade without really committing to a read, then disappears when Sky clarifies it.

I think Bob is town due to the FL kill honestly. FL's been correctly calling all the town mislynch-bait and it makes sense for scum to remove him since he'll resist a Bob lynch.

I mean Bob being scum isn't impossible. I agree with you that he's been opportunistic and hasn't really been offering original opinions but the guy is new and new players are just gonna seem scummy, idk.

Bob needs to post a full reads list with reasons why when he gets on.

I feel like this is trying to set up a Bob mislynch for later, like changing to 'Oh well it seems like he was just abusing his newness after all' type of thing. Sky just pushing for a Bob lynch is townie as I'd expect scum to wait until everyone has forgotten about FL. I believe her claim too.

I also believe the mason claim (do we seriously think scum Nom/Axe hint at masons D1?).

So that gives me town of Me/Nom/Axe/Bob/Sky/Buj.

So scum in Nero/Performer/Kid/Rui/Eevee

There's no way the D2 wagon was all town, and it's scummy af for Nero to even suggest that.

If it's Nero/Perf RuiRui isn't a partner as I don't think they go all megalol bus at this stage. I'd say Eevee is more likely as Nero was directing Axe away from Eevee at the start.

But I'm not going to be able to confidently draw associations until I get a flip on Nero or Performer.

VOTE: Performer

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Oh yeah Sky do you think the FL kill gives Bob town points? Because your original vote there was based on FL scumreading him I think?

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I mean Bob being scum isn't impossible. I agree with you that he's been opportunistic and hasn't really been offering original opinions but the guy is new and new players are just gonna seem scummy, idk.

Bob needs to post a full reads list with reasons why when he gets on.

This is not saying Bob is scum. It’s fence-sitty which is scummy.

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Oh yeah Sky do you think the FL kill gives Bob town points? Because your original vote there was based on FL scumreading him I think?

bob is scummy regardless of FL's read there and i dont think i wanna delve into night kill analysis when there are 3 scum left still, all who could've seen an FL post about them and been like ya i wanna kill FL now

I guess there was a vote on RuiRui too. I think NKA is much more important than people give it credit though so I’m just trying to think.

But yeah FL threw a lot of shade of a lot of people so IDK if I’m going to make any progress there.

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Since I don’t think I should be putting Performer in my POE (it’s extremely obvious btw unless I’m wrong), that is my POE.

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I don’t want to hammer until we hear from Bob and RuiRui

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I don’t know about you but I’d rather lynch the scummiest of the POE first.

Now granted we’re probably not going to hear anything from RuiRui but still

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Ah fuck it.

VOTE: RuiRui

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VOTE: Axe

Yeah we need to do this. I could well see this being a huge scum gambit.

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At least we have 1 conf town in LYLO?

This game is not pretty either way.

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I’m VT.

VOTE: Kid

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Slygazer tried to send to me, she said this yesterday.

I received nothing.

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FMPOV it’s Nero/Bob and one of Sky/Eevee

I guess it’s technically possible both Sky and Eevee are scum but if that’s the case then I give up with mafia.

I think Bob is mechanically scum for everybody unless ou beleive Eevee/Sky are together but if that’s the case I mean they guilty me so..

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Actually Nero is too.

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Not true?

Eevee/you/bob is entirely possible.

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I forgot about the Nero ‘clear’ though

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Bob is *probably* guilty in every world, no?

Now I know it doesn’t really matter the order and maybe it’s best to do the hardest lynch (Sky/Eevee probably) now so scum doesn’t have quickhammer opportunities.

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I’d be down for Bob.

But I feel like having both masons alive for the difficult decision means that we have s better chance of getting it right.

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Eevee do you understand friendly neighbour?

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And telling scum your town makes more sense....?

But it does though?

I’ve seen loyal neighbouriser but disloyal neighbouriser is basically just a cop.

Disloyal FN is a really interesting role.

I think it’s Eevee/Nero/Bob

Wouldn’t surprise me if Scum had a motion detector actually. Very nice claim for this setup.

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Scum motion detector for the one town pr that can target?

For a nice claim more than anything.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... nd_Enemies

Is a thing. I reckon with a nice scum claim it’s probably about balanced for our setup.

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I mean she might not have it - it’s just like a nice clue from the mod to claim it.

Also Eevee why weren’t you on Sky all nights?

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2^3

Pedit: FN D1, then the disloyal D2 I think.

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I would never do such a thing

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Eevee town for you is literally ONLY if scum have a RB.

I know I’m biased here but how likely do you really think that is?

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eevee just fuckin disappeared after i unvoted her huh

Its called multitasking smh

Are you multitasking?

*applause*

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Actually it was only true when i thought he was neighbourizer. As friendly Neighbour scum dont even need a roleblocker lol. Since you dont know if your action targetted a scum. They just dont have to claim targettef by FN

If that’s about the existence of a roleblocker you being town from Sky’s POV absolutely requires a scum roleblocker.

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You and Sky being town means that your N2 check on Nero clears Nero UNLESS there’s a scum TB who targeted Sky.

If there isn’t one then your check on Nero clears Nero so for Sky team is You/me/Bob

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*RB

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It might not have been N2.

But there was a night when apparently both you and Sky targeted Nero

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But you would have detected Sky if Nero was scum

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I mean I know one (or somehow both) of you/Eevee are scum.

FYPOV I think it depends on whether there’s a scum RB.

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Well no both Nero and Bob are scum so there’s still 8VT’s.

But the hardest lynch is Sky/Eeve so that is why why need the masons to look at this from an unbiased perspective.

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^Yeah that is weird.

I think Eevee/Nero/Bob is the team as I said before

Pedit: He really was clear

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It’s better to lynch in the 50/50 today because we’ll need to later.

You wanting to wait until Nom is dead is scum af

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No....it means there arent three scum onlh two. If you're town sky

What even is this dumbtelling fuck?

It’s confirmed 3 scum

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If scum have a RB then me/Bob/Nero is mechanically possible

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But like it’s not the case

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But targeting confirmed town?

I mean why?

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If scum have a RB then me/Bob/Nero is mechanically possible

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I want to make the difficult decision today because we have 2 masons who can talk about it.

If I was scum I’d go for Bob/you then me as quickly as possible so we can lose the masons.

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Nero I know you’re probably scum so I can forgive you but you do realise how little sense you’re making.

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Nom you see why I want to lynch in Sky/Eevee today?

We have much better odds of getting that right today.

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Sky I’m not trying to pocket you

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Yeah exactly - we need your input today to get the right scum in the hard decision.

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Well it’s better than scum leading it

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I proudly will die for town if it confirms sky as scum. Which means its either sky/nero/roster or sky/roster/bob.

This is scum giving up.

The reverse isn’t really true Eevee

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SHE GOT A RESULT D2 WITHOUT YOUR RESULTS

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You guys need to unvote right now.

Forcing Sky/Eevee today is a townloss.

You really think they’re both town?

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Because if you don’t think that then it is DEFINITELY the best play today to lynch between them because we have 2 masons who can discuss together and figure it oit

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Nom do you really want to leave it to Axe?

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Hey you get to decide but I’m telling you it’s the wrong way to go about it.

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We’ll still have s 50/50 but no conf towns to help improve the chances.

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Sky is fucking w me too

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We’re just on the same wavelength

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You can though

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I can do it while logged in but OK

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And scum will kill you Nom since you’re far more useful than Axe this game

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Road plans tend to get torn up due to paranoia.

It’s almost always best to just make the hard choice.

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Paranoid chickens are safe chickens

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VOTE: Eeevee

I should probably put my money where my mouth is.

I just don't believe Eevee's checks as much as anything else, and the dumbtelling stuff was scummy.

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^I mean if Sky was scum surely the thing to do would be to disappear from the thread in twighlight and hope Eevee doesn't realise to check her.

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Which consider Eevee checked conf town doesn't seem impossible at all.

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But people were treating Sky as pretty much conf town.

NOT forcing a 1v1 with the MD would surely be best as eventually the town out of me/Nero/Bob gets lynched and Sky wins, no?

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Yeah? I mean it's possible to botch the claim up. I kind of believe that Eevee hasn't been following the game that closely so just choose some random names.

If it's Eevee/Nero/Bob I could see Bob not really understanding things and Nero just assuming that Eevee knows what to do so doesn't make sure the night actions are good.

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It's also possible Eevee is scum motion detector as I said before.

That makes a Buj check make sense as you see if the inno is a PR or not.

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I’m a cute animal

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panicking as town is unprofessional. since there are more town than scum. panicking as scum makes more sense since you dying is much worse than a town dying

When we're this close to losing town should panic way more than scum because scum have their buddies to fall back on.

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IDK why any scum team would leave all 3 masons alive today tbh.

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I think we’re gonna lose this game because people are treating Nero as town.

Like I get I made some shitty decisions this game but town Nero would be WAY more angry about stuff like Wizard happening D1. Instead he just kind of let it happen.

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Eevee is scum because of how utterly shit her claim is.

I don’t care whether you think it’s too bad to be scum - it’s just way more likely to be scum than Sky’s is.

Nero is pushing Sky so much and I don’t understand how no-one sees that he and Eevee are doing exactly what me and Sky are being accused of.

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I also hate how Sky keeps townreading Nero when actually Nero is just manipulating her for if we lynch Eevee.

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I didn’t think you were scummy no.

I make mistakes.

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And yes I know I’m pretty confbiased but I feel the scum motivation in what you are saying.

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It’s how he pocketed Axe.

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Now Nero is trying to set me up so he can win the game on the spot


We’re not winning this until people beleive I’m town anyway, so..

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There is plenty of point in bussing today but OK.

Bob is almost certainly being bussed for example

I never said you were pushing me as scum ‘just now’ - nice misrep.

You’re seeing that pushing Sky is difficult and you might have s decent chance of getting it to switch onto me so you’re trying to make it seem like a decent idea to do this (which you’ve been keeping as an option since the start of this day).

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Sky if I was scum with Eevee there’s no way the claim is this bad. That only happens with Bob/Nero scumteam IMO.

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Holy shit Nero.

Maybe they’re both scum.

VOTE: Sky

Sky/Eevee/Bob

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Tbf Sky is now conf scum unless the team is exactly me/Eevee/Bob (spoiler: I’m town).

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So I just solved the game for us (thank you thank you)

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I don’t think Nero is scum because he pointed out that VCA when scum him just leaves that alone.