Large Normal 221 - Endgame

[Jesus Louisus]

Peace be upon you all.

I eagerly await some fine gaming time in this group.

VOTE: EvilDeanius

[Jesus Louisus]

Nice to meet the rest of you.

Thanks, that's so sweet of you.
Nice to meet you too Vorkuta.

[Jesus Louisus]

lol, you think a gimmick alt is going to drop his gimmick?

It's not a gimmick. Alt yes, but not a gimmicky one.

[Jesus Louisus]

Who apparently I think is Nero Cain.

He is American Jesus.

[Jesus Louisus]

The idea that there is a "random voting stage" is mafia is the dumbest most enduring myth on this site.

What would you call the opening pages? Maybe we can start a movement.

[Jesus Louisus]

Am I tripping or has the ISO link disappeared?

[Jesus Louisus]

Am I tripping or has the ISO link disappeared?

Nevermind it's back.

[Jesus Louisus]

I'm a simple person- I see a wagon with a self vote, I hop on wagon with a self vote

I don't remember you being like that though.

Are you saying Vorky is not a simple person? Care to elaborate?

[Jesus Louisus]

Montosh is 100% town.

Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

I read this and thought I had scum pt access for a sec.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

[Jesus Louisus]

Peace be upon you all.

I eagerly await some fine gaming time in this group.

VOTE: EvilDeanius

Nice to meet the rest of you.

Thanks, that's so sweet of you.
Nice to meet you too Vorkuta.

Heh.

I knew you weren’t a Nero Cain alt.

But am I a Krazy alt...

...no, I am not.

[Jesus Louisus]

Nero Cain doesn't need to lower himself to gimmick alts.

I thought you couldn't go any lower.

[Jesus Louisus]

Nero Cain doesn't need to lower himself to gimmick alts.

I thought you couldn't go any lower.

AHHH I'M BURNING!

I actually believe you are. You can't hide behind your sarcasm here.

[Jesus Louisus]

American Jesus is not a heathen you blasphemous fool.

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[Jesus Louisus]

HeWhoSwims is still the best vote ATM.

If you think there is not enough posting from that slot to create a read then you need to turn the heat up and get that pan a-fryin'. We shouldn't reward or ignore the lurkers. They've had enough time to hide.

[Jesus Louisus]

2 posts.

Youre going to vote HWS over 2 posts?

I wouldn't mind switching my vote over to you. It's your call. I just can't decide if you are defending your partner or white knighting.

[Jesus Louisus]

pisskop

It's appreciated.

VOTE: pisskop

[Jesus Louisus]

I R Jesus

Id push you a little harder on this but I kind of tr you. I dont feel like this is your scumgame.

Pisskop, should I not be sheeping your vote?

[Jesus Louisus]

2 posts.

Youre going to vote HWS over 2 posts?

I wouldn't mind switching my vote over to you. It's your call. I just can't decide if you are defending your partner or white knighting.

Your last statement gives two scenarios, both of which have pisskop as scum and only one of which has HWS as scum. So why not just vote pisskop here?

If you read my post I said it was up to PK himself if I moved my vote to him.
Also,
I wanted to wait for PKs response and his response was even scummier than I had expected.

[Jesus Louisus]

Is there a way he could have responded that would have made you not vote him?

Probably, I'm open to all possibilities.

[Jesus Louisus]

I get you want to pressure somebody, but why would you phrase in a way so as to make it not your choice? Otter is asking why you were voting Swims at all if you thought I was scum in every scenario.

Because I didn't want to move from the Swims wagon because I like that wagon as well. PK could have persuaded me otherwise but the self vote was too lolscum for me to not jump on it.

[Jesus Louisus]

Personal Self Vote outside of RVS statistics
Town - 1 (mbaki autumn farewell)
Scum - (more than 1)

They will read this and they will ignore it.
And then you can quote it at the end of the game and they will ignore it there too.

But I read it and I believe it.

[Jesus Louisus]

Is this you admitting to being anti-town?

[Jesus Louisus]

Okay, jesus gets ignored until I decide to vote it.

Why ignore me when you could try and enlighten me.

[Jesus Louisus]

Why do we lack any leadership?

You can follow me if you aren't up for leading.

[Jesus Louisus]

I think "empty posting" is telling for scum personally - making posts that seem relevant but arent really saying anything. Of course meta plays a role here too

I mean I have towngames where Im in danger of mislynch because I dont post and scumgames where I am the top poster.

You two are def scum together.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: Hws

[Jesus Louisus]

And after Hws flips red we lynch peepeekop tomorrow.

[Jesus Louisus]

Does creature just play lynchbait?

Creature are you still scumreading vork? Thoughts on anyone else?

Define 'bait


Gotta read people on more than just content.

What do we have besides "content" to go on?

[Jesus Louisus]

What do we have besides "content" to go on?

meta
personality
intention
level of play
consistency over time
Night Action Results

So you are just renaming content with many different buzzwords, OK I get it.

[Jesus Louisus]

renaming content with many different buzzwords

This is just.... no

Cmon Vorkster, don't take his side.

[Jesus Louisus]

Not much yet - as I said I'm due to re-read the game - but after a bit of looking this afternoon I'd say I have a soft scumlean on Vork and Kop.

Why are you scum reading vork and Kop? Vork I can kinda get but Kop?

[Jesus Louisus]

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Reading the Jesus Louisus /pisskop interaction.. Jesus Louisus is coming off as scummy in that I can't understand his reasoning from a town persepective.
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Will you keep this opinion when I flip town?

[Jesus Louisus]

But I do think Kublai doesn't think like this as scum.

[Jesus Louisus]

I think you are both town, now lets lynch a useless Creature slot.

VOTE: Creature

L-1

[Jesus Louisus]

I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.

Are you saying you have a gun?

[Jesus Louisus]

What are you all doing???? Lynching me is bad for you all.

[Jesus Louisus]

Do we go to hell?

I will forgive you all for your misguidance. But this isn't the best way to go.

[Jesus Louisus]

Jesus wasn’t someone I thought much of but I thought his question to me was pretty harmless and I don’t understand the reactions to it.

Do you think scum reacted to my question?

IIRC LUV, Red, and Roster are the 3 that threw quick votes one me thereafter.

[Jesus Louisus]

I think you are both town, now lets lynch a useless Creature slot.

VOTE: Creature

L-1

ugh

Doesnt it bother you to vote with me heyzues?

No.

[Jesus Louisus]

Playing scum in this playerlist seems kind of easy to be honest...

Ok. Too easy.

VOTE: Niko

[Jesus Louisus]

Lol @ scum for trying to start a vork wagon.

[Jesus Louisus]

I'm an Even Night Vigilante, not bulletproof.

All that lolz claiming and all was to claim bp later and make either scum think I'm bp and shot elsewhere or to make them waste their strongman on me (and it seems like it was working?). I didn't want to play my normal town meta because not only I'm tired of it, but I also I could be shot N1 since I'm always obvtown, and I wanted to stick around and play vigilante for once, it's my first time rolling it and there's the novelty and all. I also wanted to play a bit silly.

I'm not SK because I can only shoot in Even Nights, and my play here doesn't even make sense as a SK. a SK here would as a matter of fact be bulletproof, and therefore would do everything but claim bulletproof, because they don't want to risk mafia using a strongman on them (and if there's a SK, mafia probably needs a strongman, a no-bp SK is just bad design).

That's why I believe in a 3p scum team as well, I don't think that it's reasonable to have a babysitter together with a vigilante against a 4 man team, it can...end up wildly. I'm kind of expecting there to exist a Odd Night Vigilante as well by the way.

I also like thinking about a possible smaller team, since I use associatives, if I suppose it's 4 man when it's only 3 man, it's going to mess up my reads. There's no problem if I guess it's 3 man when it's 4 man, but there's problem to my reads if I suppose it's 4 man when it's 3 man.

Game meta nowadays is town sided so with everything considered I thought it was more likely a 3 man team. Oh, and I'm not horrible enough as scum to need some dumb "telling" of saying it's 3 man when it's 4 man, that's kind of really silly.

I'm still waiting for Kiri to confirm if she is or not a babysitter by the way.

With the deadline close and all, I'll compromise on Vorkuta but what I truly wanted is Eyes.

UNVOTE:

I don't think I did but,
If I hammered, oh well. It could be worse.

[Jesus Louisus]

So are we lynching Creature or peepeekop now?

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: eyes

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: niko

[Jesus Louisus]

^ mainly due to approaching deadline.

[Jesus Louisus]

Its not like we will suddenly forget niko/eyes was a vig and let them into lylo.

Yeah, but Niko has already "haha, that's not my role" twice. If we leave it and wait to ask Niko days later "hey, what happened with your vig shot?", he's just going to be "haha, no. I was never a vig. just a clever gambit!". Again.

Yep. I'm a fan of lgl irt claims in every situation.

[Jesus Louisus]

Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all

really

think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.

I've mostly been TRing Kublai but I don't like his asking roster why he's moving his vote around. Votehopping D1 is obviously a thing and a lot of people were doing it in this game especially. Like, did you see roster doing it

more

than others, or more opportunistically than others? If you followed up on this I'm not seeing it.

I was away during all of Niko's existence here, so going to slog through that now.

Idk I didn't vote for that
VOTE: Jesus Louisus

Then why vote me now?

[Jesus Louisus]

No I voted because that wagon was becoming a thing.
That being said, I didn't read the game but I might read this tomorrow because it is possible.

Oh, so you just sheep.

So who are you sheeping now?

[Jesus Louisus]

I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.

Are you saying you have a gun?

He put the word gun in quotes. Maybe it was a claim. I don't think he does it like this if he were a cop though.

PGO, maybe it was a bait. That could explain the 2 kills.

[Jesus Louisus]

I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.

Are you saying you have a gun?

He put the word gun in quotes. Maybe it was a claim. I don't think he does it like this if he were a cop though.

PGO, maybe it was a bait. That could explain the 2 kills.

PGO isn't normal

What about a crumb for a fake Miller claim down the line?

[Jesus Louisus]

What about a crumb for a fake Miller claim down the line?

I don't get where you're going with this.

IMO, He put the word Gun in quotes for a reason

[Jesus Louisus]

imo you're reading too much into it, literally would not have thought that ever

Are you just trying to discredit my theory because you share a scum PT with him and this is thwarting your plans?

[Jesus Louisus]

for real though where *are* you going with this dude

I got it. You highlighted the word ARE, as in the letter R. You must be the *R*ole cop.

[Jesus Louisus]

for real though where *are* you going with this dude

Honestly, I am not going anywhere with it. But the attention it's still getting is a little weird.

[Jesus Louisus]

Honestly, I am not going anywhere with it.

So why post about it at all?

In sum: Your ISO looks very much shallow to me, and has a few points to clarify, but it's not like you're doing much of scum hunting despite what looks like a good # of posts (in short: You;re active lurking, and I suspect you're also role fishing with that gun reference)

I'll try to answer all your posts, if I forget something just remind me:

I would summarise my play style so far as loose.

I don't see it as role fishing as he was never asked to claim and I wouldn't expect him to unless he gets to L-1 etc...

[Jesus Louisus]

What about a crumb for a fake Miller claim down the line?

Who crumbs Miller? To my understanding you claim it early or you get lynched for it.

Who puts quotes around the word Gun if not to put emphasis on said word.

[Jesus Louisus]

PGO, maybe it was a bait. That could explain the 2 kills.

Seeing as PGO isn't normal AND Creature wasn't a visiting role this looks like posting for the sake of posting (i.e. you didn't think it through)

I didn't think it through, I was just riffing.

[Jesus Louisus]

What are you all doing???? Lynching me is bad for you all.

You didn't explain this, did you?

Lynching town is bad.

[Jesus Louisus]

I think you are both town, now lets lynch a useless Creature slot.

VOTE: Creature

L-1

Why did you fake L-1 on Creature?

Just to see what would happen. Mod killed that plan quickly though with the VC.

[Jesus Louisus]

Montosh is 100% town.

Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

I read this and thought I had scum pt access for a sec.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

I'll try to make my question more answerable. Your first few posts were just fluff. This nis the first one that makes some meaning. Why is this scum indicative of HWS? And what's your current read on nomnomnomnomnomnom (to an eternity)?

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

[Jesus Louisus]

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

Why?

I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

[Jesus Louisus]

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

Why?

I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

Except I'm not HWS

Oh, did mod give you a different role? I must have missed that.

[Jesus Louisus]

Dead people don't talk. Don't post when you are dead.

Aren't you dead?

Indeed. Please don't quote these posts.

[Jesus Louisus]

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

Why?

I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

That is an answer, but that doesn't answer my question. What has the either HeWhoSwims or nomnomnom done to make you think that they have a scum role?

Because right now I'm siding with them in that you're evasive.

I wouldn't say I'm being evasive, I think of it more like being speculative. Is there anything wrong with that?

[Jesus Louisus]

I get townvibes from Jesus.

Source: We (both town) shared a hood in Boony game.

I was also getting town vibes from Creature though, so Jesus is probably scum.

Ditto

[Jesus Louisus]

Tbh the fact it's a large isn't my problem, just that many slots are hard to sort. The amount of posts this game is absurdly low for a large.
I expected to have better cases replacing in n1 and rereading the thread but I guess things are still a bit shaky.

Jesus is my only solid lead so far.

Them, my friend you are lost at sea

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: jesus

I am happy to indulge your kinks

Why is jesus scum now? Have you begun worshipping buddha?

I didn’t like his votes around deadline yesterday

His reaction to guns blazing does seem rolefishy too

I don't like your vote right now either. Maybe think about who you would ping as scum when I flip town.

Go ahead and get in that mindset.

[Jesus Louisus]

Why nom? I kinda liked her interaction with Jesus

that whole "I only have one strong scum read" just looks like scum that's keeping their options open.

Not gonna force reads I'm not confident in.
I like jesus as scum so I'm pushing that. I don't really see the problem.

The problem is you are playing to scum's wincon even if not intentionally.

[Jesus Louisus]

@Jesus Was your guns post a joke or not?

It was intended to be cheeky but it wasn't completely a joke.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: jesus

I am happy to indulge your kinks

Why is jesus scum now? Have you begun worshipping buddha?

I didn’t like his votes around deadline yesterday

His reaction to guns blazing does seem rolefishy too

I don't like your vote right now either. Maybe think about who you would ping as scum when I flip town.

Go ahead and get in that mindset.

Why nom? I kinda liked her interaction with Jesus

that whole "I only have one strong scum read" just looks like scum that's keeping their options open.

Not gonna force reads I'm not confident in.
I like jesus as scum so I'm pushing that. I don't really see the problem.

The problem is you are playing to scum's wincon even if not intentionally.

Jesus how about pushing some read instead of continuously saying how bad your lynch is.

VOTE: Nom

[Jesus Louisus]

Speaking of the devil

Who will you scum read if I flip town?

[Jesus Louisus]

Speaking of the devil

Who will you scum read if I flip town?

Probably don't have to think about it since you flip scum.

You are so lost.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: Eyes

[Jesus Louisus]

I don't get it.

Would you be willing to just trust me?

[Jesus Louisus]

I don't get it.

Would you be willing to just trust me?

Not really.

I just want to understand your vote.

What does it matter if you have me as scum.

[Jesus Louisus]

Also, I was pushing scum d1 b4 niko gamethrew so neener neener.

Good job. You do realize we didn't lynch Creature though right? So it's great that you were "pushing" him but it didn't amount to much.

VOTE: Montosh


This comes from someone who misses their partner.

[Jesus Louisus]

omg nero has a case on montosh i better jump there before more people ask me about my eyes vote!!!1!!

Do you have an unlimited pass on the conf bias train and unwilling to get off?

[Jesus Louisus]

I always try to reconsider people but honestly either you're not aware of how bad most of what you do is either you're preparing a comedy sketch with these posts and votes.

Where would you like me to vote (besides voting myself)?

[Jesus Louisus]

I think I'm at L-1. Not for sure too lazy to VC myself but I know it's coming so, VT.

Happy?

[Jesus Louisus]

I always try to reconsider people but honestly either you're not aware of how bad most of what you do is either you're preparing a comedy sketch with these posts and votes.

Where would you like me to vote (besides voting myself)?

I already stated that, so I guess you're not really following the game on top of that.

I think you're just scum.

I thought I was your only lead?

[Jesus Louisus]

I thought I was your only lead?

Do your homework.

You're getting lynched today.

And you will follow my destiny tomorrow. If you are town you should really really really reconsider.

[Jesus Louisus]

When I flip VT please lynch nom. You don't want this type of death tunneling going anywhere near lylo.

[Jesus Louisus]

Nom has made getting on my wagon too easy for scum to use it for a mislynch.

[Jesus Louisus]

When I flip VT please lynch nom. You don't want this type of death tunneling going anywhere near lylo.

You only say that because I haven't unvoted you. This isn't a deathtunnel. You're the scummiest player on this table and you die today.

So be it. But I haven't lied about anything.

[Jesus Louisus]

In my experience such erratic behaviour comes from town, and scum are most likely to o be the ones pishing people for said erratic behaviour.

See, somebody gets it.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: Eyes

[Jesus Louisus]

You can lynch me today, see me flip VT and then lynch from my wagon tomorrow.... Or.... We can go ahead and lynch from my wagon today and save a step and a mislynch.

[Jesus Louisus]

Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.

I don't think nom is scum either but his push on me will get him mislynched or put us in a bad way come lylo time.

[Jesus Louisus]

Yes but I don’t generally think that we should be lynching scum over town

I'm not advocating for nom's lynch, I just want the conf bias to stop. If it doesn't then nom is no good for town regardless of alignment.

[Jesus Louisus]

Jesus what’s your read on roster?

I trust him.

[Jesus Louisus]

Jesus what’s your read on roster?

Why?

Because I think he understands the difference between acting scummy and being scum.

[Jesus Louisus]

Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.

emotionally disturbed

wow!

[Jesus Louisus]

Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.

-as town- I would be focused on one particular player that I would be most confident in them being scum.

You know, there are more than 1 way to do these things.

[Jesus Louisus]

Fine. I'll just stay on JL and let you all sort thing out. My only other option would be Vorkuta, but only if a serious wagon springs out there. Not voting outside of these two until they're both dead or mechanically cleared. Thanks for your time and dedication.

Are you and nom the same person?

[Jesus Louisus]

AMA

Do you think my wagon at it's peak was filled with more town or scum players?

[Jesus Louisus]

Mods put out some setups that are frustratingly busted in favor of town so if we

don't

stop lynching town PRs we might just win anyway with 1 scum down already.

Are you suggesting that we lynch town so poor scum don't have a hard time winning?

[Jesus Louisus]

Mods put out some setups that are frustratingly busted in favor of town so if we

don't

stop lynching town PRs we might just win anyway with 1 scum down already.

Are you suggesting that we lynch town so poor scum don't have a hard time winning?

No, I'm suggesting we don't engage in high-risk high-reward play while ahead.

You make high-risk high-reward play when you're behind, and low-risk low-reward play when you're ahead, that goes for any game.
Setup design on this site being a little grossly protown puts town a little ahead, a scum PR being dead puts us even further ahead.

Forcing something powerful like an investigative to claim is the risk we run if we shop around the entire playerlist getting claims.

Understood, I misinterpreted.

Still I think we have all the info we need from my wagon and pushing ahead with my lynch won't bring anything new to the table.

[Jesus Louisus]

DV probably town bc why would scum not jump on me in this situation? I am well aware Niko flipping green made m look bad and DV wasn't even on Niko so it would be easy for scum him to vote me here and still look clean.

@JL: English isn't my first language so maybe emotionally disturbed wasn't the right term to use. Sorry if that came off as a personal insult, but if you read it in context you'd probably realize it wasn't.

No offence taken.

[Jesus Louisus]

Is anyone really TRing Alchemist at this point?

[Jesus Louisus]

Although I appreciate his defense of me, it just feels like he is sheeping roster's defense?

[Jesus Louisus]

Sheeping a defense of a townie is not a very good way get mislynches as scum. Could you pretend to scumhunt instead of shading people to broaden the lynchpool if I'm supposed to believe you're vanilla town?

Apparently I can't do anything right???

I get accused of not pushing anything and I throw something on my mind out there and I get direct shade about it.

[Jesus Louisus]

Pretty sure rosterfoster is one scum

I wonder what's the resistance to HWS seeing everybody softed a scumread on them but never pulled a train on him like they did to me

pisskop is town

[Jesus Louisus]

Vote Count 1.6

Creature(7)pisskop,RedFlavor,Vorkuta,Kop,Nero Cain,rosterfoster,Jesus Louisus,

HeWhoSwims(3)Kublai Khan,ofrhz,LuckyOtter,

Not Voting(3)EvilDeanius,BodhiSmith13,Lil Uzi Vert,

EvilDeanius(1)Montosh,

Nero Cain(1)HeWhoSwims,

rosterfoster(1)Alchemist21,

Vorkuta(1)Creature,

Saudade

Lil Uzi Vert(1)Kirari Momobami,

pisskop(0)

Montosh(0)

Jesus Louisus(0)

RedFlavor(0)

LuckyOtter(0)

ofrhz(0)

Alchemist21(0)

BodhiSmith13(0)

Kop(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-06-26 13:21:00)

Vote Count 1.7

Creature(6)pisskop,Vorkuta,Kop,Nero Cain,Jesus Louisus,Alchemist21,

HeWhoSwims(5)Kublai Khan,ofrhz,LuckyOtter,rosterfoster,Creature,

Not Voting(2)Eyes without a face,DeasVail,

Jesus Louisus(2)Lil Uzi Vert,RedFlavor,

Nero Cain(1)HeWhoSwims,

Vorkuta(1)Montosh,

Saudade

Lil Uzi Vert(1)Kirari Momobami,

EvilDeanius

Eyes without a face(0)

rosterfoster(0)

pisskop(0)

Montosh(0)

RedFlavor(0)

LuckyOtter(0)

ofrhz(0)

Alchemist21(0)

BodhiSmith13

DeasVail(0)

Kop(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-06-26 13:21:00)

Red jumped off that creature wagon once it got serious.

[Jesus Louisus]

Vote Count 2.1

Jesus Louisus(5)RedFlavor,Eyes without a face,nomnomnom,ofrhz,Kublai Khan,

Not Voting(3)Lil Uzi Vert,Jesus Louisus,Vorkuta,

EvilDeanius

Eyes without a face(1)rosterfoster,

rosterfoster(1)Alchemist21,

Vorkuta(1)Kirari Momobami,

RedFlavor(1)LuckyOtter,

Alchemist21(1)Montosh,

Montosh(1)Nero Cain,

LuckyOtter(1)DeasVail,

HeWhoSwims

nomnomnom(0)

Nero Cain(0)

Saudade

Lil Uzi Vert(0)

ofrhz(0)

BodhiSmith13

DeasVail(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 15 alive it is 8 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2019-07-07 10:50:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

[Jesus Louisus]

Red was also on my wagon...

I think we found the best lynch today.

Alchemist, Eyes and maybe vork other possibilities?

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: RedFlavor

[Jesus Louisus]

Alchemist is scummy for refusing to get on your wagon and Red is scummy for being on your wagon?

Explica por favor

That's how I roll.

[Jesus Louisus]

I think his motivation is broadening the lynchpool. It's in my post.

I don't think it came to his mind that he actually became paranoid about you sheeping roster's defense of you. That doesn't make any sense.

Do you see anything in Red's ISO that you think is town motivated?

[Jesus Louisus]

Pops is basically conf not mafia for the Red push, I think the flip implies a SK is likely? Or possible a traitor. But the 2 kills N1 make sense for SK.

Nero was also kind of opposed IIRC

The 2 kills on N1 could be explained by there being a backup that took over Nikos role.

[Jesus Louisus]

Maybe Jesus is SK and that’s why he was being so survivalistic?

That would also explain the rolefishing to know where to shoot.

If that were the case do you really think I would have made that post for all to see?

[Jesus Louisus]

Hypothesis: RedFlavor was the only scum on critterwagon.

Discuss

Could be.

If there were other scum on there it's between Alch and Nero.

[Jesus Louisus]

I said that I thought it was unlikely Eyes and RF would be scum together, so maybe they picked up on that or something.

Thinking I would suddenly start TR’ing eyes would be strange though, given the apparent existence of a SK.

So I’m still baffed

I can see scum shooting eyes to make you look suspect after your hard push there yesterday.

[Jesus Louisus]

If there were other scum on there it's between Alch and Nero.

y?

Alch because of reasons already stated and you because of that lolpartnerhammer.

[Jesus Louisus]

I was never town reading him and pushing him early on.

If it wasn't clear, I'd also vote Red b/c 147 is some terrible reading or a legit attempt at revisionism

Why is it so hard to believe that I'd be willing to wagon someone I was already scumreading? I mean yes, I didn't mean to hammer as to not cut off discussion until everyone was rdy to end but it's not like I just voted the guy out of the blue or anything.

I'm not saying you are scum but if I had to pick remaining scum on creature's wagon you'd be in that list is all.

[Jesus Louisus]

And 2nd behind Alch on that list.

[Jesus Louisus]

remind me who you think are scum?

Alch is atop my list atm.
Ofr is making me paranoid.

At start of day I thought maybe Otter would be a good candidate but I ISOd and am left with a null right now.

[Jesus Louisus]

Alch is your top scumread and im second behind him? I do seem pretty high up there.

I haven't really looked at names yet but I'm putting some stock into the d1 wagon on creature, the d1 wagon on red and the early d2 wagon (pops and before) all being town and his buddies being on none of them.

You are 2nd behind him in my scum list wrt only considering the people on creatures wagon.

[Jesus Louisus]

Also, Iirc the only people still alive on that wagon are me, you, Alch and vork.

[Jesus Louisus]

Ofr
Montosh
Kir
Nom

That's how I would order your list. Scum at the top.

[Jesus Louisus]

Do you think that there's merit to my logic?

Yeah I do. I mean it's full of WIFOM but what isn't at this point.
That being said it's as good as anything to kick the day off and get rolling.

VOTE: ofrhz

[Jesus Louisus]

Ofrhz, where do you think this days lynch should go? I haven't really got a vibe about how YOU feel about the wagon growing on you.

[Jesus Louisus]

Errr Jesus why do you think Ofrhz is scum? I’m actually a bit perplexed by how you changed from scumreading Nero and alch to going with Ofrhz.

Please Re-read.

[Jesus Louisus]

Errr Jesus why do you think Ofrhz is scum? I’m actually a bit perplexed by how you changed from scumreading Nero and alch to going with Ofrhz.

Please Re-read.

I did

If you read then you would know that I never said i SR Nero. I said he was 2nd on my list (behind Alch) out of 4 (one of which was myself) people to be scum only considering that wagon on Creature.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: Montosh

L-1

[Jesus Louisus]

The Ofr wagon is hopping over here so I thought I would join. So it's claim time for Montosh.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: ofrhz

Should have stayed on this yesterday.

[Jesus Louisus]

My list from scummiest to towniest.

ofrhz
Kirari Momobami
popsofctown
LuckyOtter
Vorkuta
DeasVail
Kublai Khan
Nero Cain
nomnomnom

[Jesus Louisus]

When you include pops as third from bottom, is that as "non-town"? Or you think he bussed RF as groupscum?

How many scum do you think are still alive.

[Jesus Louisus]

How is the SK confirmed? I read and still don't really buy it.
We had an even night Vig, why couldn't we have an odd nigjt night as well?

[Jesus Louisus]

Arw you voting me because I'm not answering you're stupid question to me?

[Jesus Louisus]

...

...

Just vote Nero with me.

VOTE: Nero Cain

What?
Vote Nero?
He was at the bottom of your list...

Yes, I know.

Then why would you vote him after that TR?

It's quite simple, Red also tried to start a wagon on me, scum can't stay away. I just caught another one. Nice try Nero. Better luck next time.

JL, damn that was slick...

It's what I do.

[Jesus Louisus]

that was pretty slick

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Otter

My preference order has changed!

That was easy. Thanks for your vote of confident. Now move to Nero. Please.

[Jesus Louisus]

KK does your analysis above make you think we should massclaim today or tomorrow?

Tomorrow probably.

I'll drop a nugget of info though. I have an informed role and I know who the other vig is.

So given that I can see no SK kills over the first 3 nights. I'm gonna squelch the idea that there is an SK and I guess confirm that it must be a traitor.

[Jesus Louisus]

My paranoia is justified here whether you like it or not.

Claim your info now. There is literally no reason not to claim especially if you believe the scumteam has a traitor and that it would mean a reduced mainteam to hunt for. Jesus christ.

I agree with nom.

You have got to fully claim now or you will be lynched or at least brought to L-1 and the you claim and then we start from scratch. Don't waste time.

[Jesus Louisus]

The SK paranoia only weakens the vigs.

Then just claim who the vig is

Seriously, nomnomnom. Stop being scummy.

If I'm right about the game's setup, then my claiming now would take out all of the town's remaining power. Scum usually win mountaneous. All I'm done is promise that SK is off the table. You can still hunt scum. Right now it sounds like you're super pissed you can't control the gameplay to SK-hunting.

I've said SK is off the table a few times and no one believed me, why should we believe

you

now?

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: ofrhz

[Jesus Louisus]

I can dig that. nomnomnom has been the one pushing the idea of SK the hardest, which makes sense if he's the traitor.

Up until you came in with your explanation everyone was on board with the idea that this game had a SK.
That argument is disingenuous.

I wasn't on board with SK.

[Jesus Louisus]

Can we lynch between nero and pops?

That feels like scum to me.

[Jesus Louisus]

Or should I hammer Otter?

[Jesus Louisus]

INTENT.

[Jesus Louisus]

I rescind my intent.

[Jesus Louisus]

I reinstate my rescinded intent.

Been at a REAL L-1 for awhile and still no claim...

[Jesus Louisus]

TBF, he hasn't been on yet. In the mean time you can explain why you are scumreading me?

I won't hammer/unvote until he responds.

I voted you because Red started a wagon on me and you did the same.

[Jesus Louisus]

Care to give us a shotgun read list?

[Jesus Louisus]

yes b/c its not been clear at all who I think is scum just read my posts

Well, you did just ask me as to why I SR you and all you had to do was read my posts. But I answered you anyways so can I get some mutual respect?

[Jesus Louisus]

@Vork

Are you going to unvote?

[Jesus Louisus]

or is it hammer time?

[Jesus Louisus]

Alternatively you could not hammer and follow me on Of.

I have nothing against that. You gey the wagon going and I'll jump in.

[Jesus Louisus]

But I kinda feel this Of-Otter dialogue is eithet TvT or SvS????

[Jesus Louisus]

So Otter is still at L-1?

No one on that wagon believed his VT claim and is prepared to move to Of?

[Jesus Louisus]

I think he's at l-2 since I voted nom

Why does your question sound weird?

I don't think it sounds wierd.
We have 1.5 days left to put together a lynch and town seems divided.

Otter should have been lynched already if he were to be our lynch today since we will get no more info from him or from hia wagon.

Ofr has been the 2nd major wagon basically since Otter was the main wagon. There hasn't been very much movement there either.

I'm assuming we have 2 scum left so a stalling wagon with this many players alive isn't really AI.

[Jesus Louisus]

What're your reads rn Jesus?

If Otter is town I expect scum to be on this wagon because Otter was at L-1 for so long that I don't see scum letting that opportunity slide to hammer since they wouldn't lose any town cred for the lolhammer.

LuckyOtter(5)DeasVail,popsofctown,Vorkuta,Kirari Momobami,Nero Cain

So if we lynch Otter and if Otter does flip town then we have to go with someone on this wagon tomorrow is what I'm thinking.

[Jesus Louisus]

Also,
I am kinda intrigued by KK's plan to late lynch DeasVail. That might be a solid backup plan.

[Jesus Louisus]

Also,
I am kinda intrigued by KK's plan to late lynch DeasVail. That might be a solid backup plan.

Has your read on me changed since before (or your read on people you were scumreading) or is this more just a "this seems like a cool idea" thing?

More like a good plan C, if the otter and ofr wagons dismantle.

[Jesus Louisus]

VOTE: Otter

[Jesus Louisus]

I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.

Are you saying you have a gun?

GG.