Large Normal 221 - Endgame

[ofrhz]

If that townblock is correct, then the Niko and Montosh wagons were all town lolllll

[ofrhz]

@Kirari you seriously think Otter is town and that I'm scum?

I'm leaning that way rn yeah

If I am traitor and that Otter is town explain to me why I do not hammer him here and buy my groupscum more ground, and instead go to the length of defending Otter and saying he is lynchbait.

I'd love to hear an answer to that one.

psyduck

[ofrhz]

Otter at L-1

Spoiler:

Vote Count 4.3

LuckyOtter(4)DeasVail,popsofctown,Vorkuta,Kirari Momobami,

ofrhz(3)LuckyOtter,nomnomnom,Jesus Louisus,

Not Voting(1)ofrhz,

Jesus Louisus(1)Nero Cain,

Vorkuta(1)Kublai Khan,

Nero Cain(0)

BodhiSmith13

DeasVail(0)

Saudade

Lil Uzi Vert

popsofctown(0)

HeWhoSwims

nomnomnom(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 10 alive it is 6 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2019-07-17 18:43:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

Otter is lynchbait calling it now.

@ LuckyOtter, nomnomnom, Jesus Louisus - Is there anything outside of ofrhz's reaction to popsofctown's RedFlavor catch that signals scum to you guys?

That wasn't really the reason I scumread Of, I think you misread my argument.
I think Of has a "going under the radar" feel to her. A lot of what she says are fencesitting opinions. Hell, even if you go and look back on her "defense" of Red it was not even a proper defense, it was a fencesit, which is why I consider that infinitely more scummy than say, deasvail coming in to defend the slot even though he was extremely wrong.

There is no impact from that slot. She misread that as "not posting and being away for a while" but that's not what I meant by no impact. She posts a bunch of nothing. No strong opinions and a lot of fluff. I think she's scum and trying to redirect the heat somewhere else constantly. She's also signalled going a bunch of places like my slot ("I think nom is scum") without doing anything about it which signals a player that is ready to just sheep and sheep and sheep. I think this is just scum that is trying to extend the game as much as possible.

I'd still like a list from you nom

A readslist?
I don't feel the need to do it but I guess I can do it later.

Vote Count 4.4

LuckyOtter(5)DeasVail,popsofctown,Vorkuta,Kirari Momobami,Nero Cain,

ofrhz(3)LuckyOtter,nomnomnom,Jesus Louisus,

Not Voting(1)ofrhz,

Vorkuta(1)Kublai Khan,

Jesus Louisus(0)

Nero Cain(0)

BodhiSmith13

DeasVail(0)

Saudade

Lil Uzi Vert

popsofctown(0)

HeWhoSwims

nomnomnom(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 10 alive it is 6 to lynch.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2019-07-17 18:43:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

I just think she's traitor not killing scum.

I was on RF's wagon and you guys insisted to get Montosh lynched without a proper case for it and you blame me?

I wasn't blaming anyone to be on that wagon for what it's worth, just that singling me out for things that happened is weird as fuck.

Kirari is just forcing her read on me really hard with things that, again, are verified to not be true. And it's not the first time she's done it, and she herself admitted that she wanted to get a reaction out of me with what she said even though she clearly isn't that kind of player.

I want her slot lynched at LYLO-1 if it ever comes to it, but now Of is just the better lynch. Otter reeks of lynchbait.

Later in the day

Spoiler:

also ergh, would be sad we end with an Otter lynch because I think he's making really good points about the game, he's pretty much playing the same as in the micro I played with him. Nothing too different.

if we mislynch him he can still use his power role, his power role is VT and we can deadsheep him for being awesome and I think correctly reading Jesus sooner than I was able to for instance which on its own should autowin the game with him being in the vt group in massclaim

if we mislynch ofhrz who has been playing passive enough to have a power role.. although kinda too passive to have a good one I think sometimes... anyway we don't have as many data points in massclaim and the PR doesn't get fired

Meeeeeeeeeeh

End of day

I don't want a no lynch but I'd feel horrible voting otter here just to get there.

VOTE: Kirari

Perhaps this is going to lead somewhere.

Deas feels like a gamble.

I feel way more comfortable voting Of, Kirari. Maybe Jesus. Maybe Vork.

Actually let me perhaps put Vork before jesus before Vork feels like he gives his vote very loosely and perhaps again we're all losing our time screaming at each other (as in the top posters).

But redirecting there feels sooooooo bad.

How is he a gamble?

because I have a slight townread on the guy, so I would feel bad voting there.

@Kirari how do you feel about Vork again? I remember you bringing him up.

I'm basically unable to post again from now until deadline.

Maybe very briefly for a hammer in almost exactly 2 hours but can't guarantee.

Nom's response to pressure has been decent. I still dislike her random townreads on vork and otter because I think as scum she likes to create unexplained and random townreads on people she wants in lylo. Nero thinks her reasoning there is fine and I strongly disagree.

Otter I moved off largely because the traitor thing, and his engagement after the pressure moved off him hasn't been that bad.

If this has been a bunch of tvts then jesus has been doing jack shit to break any of them up.

Vork could easily flip scum but he's also unclaimed so risky to do another claim when we already have 3 vts claimed.

Not sure what we do here tbh

I never said I townread vork for the record. I said "we're not lynching there". But I honestly thought that people would have followed me on Of by now lol.

With that said he's more of a nullslot because of his lack of posts.

Last-minute vote points strongly to Kirari town

I think nom was gearing for a last minute redirection onto Vork before the Jesus flashwagon, and that's probably enough to take Vork out of the pool today.

DV/Otter for the lynch/vig?

[ofrhz]

Shit I meant to spoiler that

[ofrhz]

I will say that Nom having a concrete reason to townread DV makes DV the likelier partner imo.

Spoiler:

How is he a gamble?

because I have a slight townread on the guy, so I would feel bad voting there.

Can you explain why? I feel like he has been tunneling otter for most of the game with the same core reasons and little reassessment

That has pinged me, yes.

My entire reasoning is that I do not see a scum, any scum, jump in front of RF after his massive fail to protect him as scum. That feels like suicide. I assume that people here are not dumb and basically gave up on RF after pops' solid case.

The kind of defense was much more pronounced as well than your slot for example. He was dead convinced that RF was town and protected it until he was lynched. Even if he was really wrong, that strikes me as town simply because we're not playing ABC mafia. That's how I feel about it.

ugh why does everyone have to make things so complicated?

Instead of complaining perhaps you should propose an alternative.

Of has a point, you've been sitting on Otter all day long with little to no alternative in your words. You're part of the problem.

Nom just randomly claiming Otter is lynchbait when he was at L-1 with intent seems like a rather lackluster, half-hearted defense of Otter. I kinda think Nom would've been... even louder if Otter was her last partner. At that point, she had been flatly saying "lynch Ofrhz" for like several days with no one following onto her. I feel like maybe she would've changed her strategy if she was about to lose the game.

[ofrhz]

Could nom have not voted her scumbuddy? I mean, a scum kirari that's trying to act all town leaderish and endear herself to town doesn't exactly seem like an impossibility to me.

I think she could've distanced, sure, but I don't think she would've put a vote on her last partner at deadline. At so close to deadline, I feel like anyone could've been speedlynched, and I don't think she would've risked turning the tides onto her partner like that.

[ofrhz]

VOTE: DeasVail

[ofrhz]

What do you think otter meant in 2839?

Otter has been saying that he was paranoid of Nom, but didn't think Nom would buddy him after their last game together.

Idk the logic there is a little wonky, but maybe Otter was just feeling like he had been snowed? (again?)

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot

but you were scum so you are claiming scum?

Lol this is a really funny post given the talk about 'signaling' on the part of the traitor

Ice cream goddess there's no way hws tries to "signal" he's scum to nero in a way only he would get right?

I’ll try to towncase Nero tonight

This is a prodge

[ofrhz]

Sup

[ofrhz]

Nero what did you think about my point that traitor would probably not bus their groupscum (i.e. Kirari) so close to deadline?

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot

but you were scum so you are claiming scum?

Lol this is a really funny post given the talk about 'signaling' on the part of the traitor

Ice cream goddess there's no way hws tries to "signal" he's scum to nero in a way only he would get right?

I’ll try to towncase Nero tonight

This is a prodge

Can I get this before hammer or you ok accepting dv/otter?

I was in the middle of towncasing Nero, but I don't think it's enough to locktown him without doing more research.

I'm ok with DV/otter, but I'm not sure it's a good idea possibly going into lylo without having you and Nero talk more. It'd be pretty bad if you're both town, because Nero has been suspecting you since like late D2.

[ofrhz]

Sure but in trying to solve this game it does mean you are currently cliser to your scum meta than your town meta

@vork

How so?

[ofrhz]

Remind me to release Cats Scum PT. Pretty revealing about how Vorkuta approaches the game as scum I think

[ofrhz]

Reasons to townread Nero:

- Early montosh push
- Asking red to claim out of nowhere
- Breaking up some of what he thought was TvT to push Creature
- Pisskop push towards end of D1
- Probably would realize he's hammering RF if they were partners
- D3 push on Montosh

[ofrhz]

Oh no the deadline of today is before the 'scum can redact comments' grace period

Anyone who's seen me play or wants to click on any random game of mine (non-newbie preferably but it holds even there) knows that this isn't my scum game at all. Period. End of story.
Feel free to do so

Yeah I kinda agree

Anyway if game isn't over tonight, it'll be released tomorrow

[ofrhz]

Reasons to townread Nero:

- Early montosh push
- Asking red to claim out of nowhere
- Breaking up some of what he thought was TvT to push Creature
- Pisskop push towards end of D1
- Probably would realize he's hammering RF if they were partners
- D3 push on Montosh

In spite of this, I'm a little annoyed that he thinks scum is in Otter/Kirari and is ok with eliminating Otter/DV

[ofrhz]

Would you hate me if I said I think Deas' play today is townier than Otter's? Probably right

[ofrhz]

Nah maybe it is just DV

Is Nero not coming back today?

[ofrhz]

-[]

[ofrhz]

Oh thank god

gg and thanks for modding nk15

[ofrhz]

Surprise mountainous setups are fun

This is the first one I’ve won though I think! Probably because both vigs did well and kirari didn’t die right away lol

[ofrhz]

I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.

Are you saying you have a gun?

GG.

Jesus works in mysterious ways

[ofrhz]

wait LOL Creature forgot to submit a night action