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who are you trying to kid? That isn't a vote.CoolBot wrote:Albert B. Rampage
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oh wow, another San Diego scummer. Howdy! Are you attending college here or in the military?-
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i don't see how that could be relevant. See Gambler's Fallacy.-
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Mod: camisade has not posted in this thread yet. Prod?
Rosso Carne has not voted yet... I'd like to get out of the random stage, thank you very much nicely.-
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Ecto has a Depeshe Mode quote in his sig... IRL that is enough for me to put machine oil in his coffee.Rosso Carne wrote:
nah, nothing really to vote on IMHO.Adel wrote:Mod: camisade has not posted in this thread yet. Prod?
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we figured out that you are scum. Me and ecto and PEG share a brain, and we always share alignment.-
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I've seen things you wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.-
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Mama, I don't know why you have to make everything so difficult. I look at having a baby as the opportunity of a lifetime. Sure there may be risk involved, but that's true for anybody. But you get through it and life goes on. And when it's all said and done there will be a little piece of immortality with Jackson's good looks and my sense of style, I hope. Please, please I need your support. I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special.-
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he is 10-1 as scum right? So if he hasn't been NK'd by day 4 it may be a good idea to lynch him.Ectomancer wrote:
I know how to flip a penny a hundred times Adel.Adel wrote:i don't see how that could be relevant. See Gambler's Fallacy.
What I'm getting at is whether Elias took an opportunity with ABR's comments about Elias crawling out of the woodwork. Its a perfectly acceptable response on the face of it, and may be completely innocent, but I cant help at wonder at the perception generated by it.
He says he was NK'd N1 3 games in a row. Usually (though not always), if you are NK'd it is going to be by scum. It meant that in 3 games, scum found him to be the biggest threat for one reason or another. Extrapolate on that and it means that Elias is probably a good player to keep around for scum hunting.
So following your Gambler's Fallacy, yes, he has proven to be town and apparently threatening to scum for 3 recent games, but that doesn't mean that he is town again in this game. I dont believe I've ever played with Elias, so I wonder (again) whether he is as subtle a player to casually influence town's desire to keep him around.
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you are included in that set, btw.shaft.ed wrote:
Who do you mean by we?Ectomancer wrote:Only if he really looks like town. He's 5-5 as town, so if he's looking mediocrewecan leave him alone.-
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I don't think "OMGUS" means what you think it does... otherwise jumping at the chance to call OMGUS is a scumtell. my vote is on you as well.Surye wrote:
OMGUS much?Ectomancer wrote:
We have to give him time to prove himself either excellent or mediocre don't we? My vote is on Surye.shaft.ed wrote:So you want to lynch him already?-
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actual sequence of events:Surye wrote:I call him out, and he responds by just saying he'll vote for me, I thought that was OMGUS. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I'm not sure why else he would say he'd vote me without saying anything else as to why.
1. you voted for me
2. i voted for you
3. ecto voted for you
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you call OMGUS on Ecto.
does not compute,
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you didn't call OMGUS on me.
he voted youBEFOREyou placed a FOS on him.
I normally harass a player I am unfamiliar with in the beginning of a game to get a read, and the read I'm getting off of you is scummy as hell. I expect you see you lynched within a few pages.-
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nowSurye wrote:
Hmm, so you're right, I forgot the vote order since up till now it was mostly non-sense voting, and when he said his vote was on me, for some reason I was thinking he wasAdel wrote:he voted youBEFOREyou placed a FOS on him.threateninga vote on me.
I don't see how it's scummy as hell though. If his first vote was from the random voting stage, and after I FoS him, he solidifies it into a real vote, I still stand by my OMGUS. If it's not, then that means he actually meant something by his first vote on my, and that sets you and Ecto as having an agenda.
Either way, Ecto is implicated, so I think I'm on the right track,and the way you are responding makes me really suspicious of you.thatis OMGUS.
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*yawn* typical paranoid scumSurye wrote:Because Adel seemed serious about it, and everyone who has posted seems to agree. But looking at it again, that's not that many, I guess I started feeling a snowball growing behind me for no reason. Guess I'm getting ahead of myself. But if this is just their play style, then I am not sure what I have for this game yet.-
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come on y'all, this by itself:
should be worth three or four votes!Surye wrote: And @Adel, how is you defending ecto's OMGUS (you've cleared it up, that's what it was) not suspicious?-
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since when are you against quicklynches?Ectomancer wrote:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Unvote, vote Machiavellian-Mafia
putting players at -1 with no warning or explanation ? You sir, need to be lynched.
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it isn't the action, it is the coverup that revealed you to be scum.
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Quote="Surye"]I didn't even vote anyone once the game got more serious. [/quote]
trying to revise historySurye wrote:How is that even close to anti-town?
Unvote, Vote:AdelThere, we're out of the random voting stage.
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attempt to use Idiot defense to absovle yourself from responsibility.Surye" wrote:I have a tendency to over post my foot into my mouth, and that's what happened here, I don't know what else to say, other then show me where it's scummy and not just me being an idiot, and I'll do my best to address that.-
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with 15 alive I would expect that 8 would be needed to lynch, and yet the line "With 15 alive, 8 votes will lynch" line is mysteriously absent from Guardian's votecount.
This is not typical for Guardian as mod.
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ok,unvote, vote:Machiavellian-Mafia
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Surye, just when I was starting to think that there was a chance you were not scum, you make three posts in a row, each once worse then the last.
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and I don't have to. learn to deal with it.Surye wrote:And yet you still haven't pointed out anything wrong with the statements in my triple post...-
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hey ecto, can we just stick to one wagon for a little while this time. jumping aound like this is making me seasick.
unvote, vote:coolbot-
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and almost useless in endgame, but I am usually NK'd before getting lynched or endgamed.Ectomancer wrote:
We're going to lynch her Day 3 or 4. She's useful early.shaft.ed wrote:Adel wrote:hey ecto, can we just stick to one wagon for a little while this time. jumping aound like this is making me seasick.
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Am I? I don't see any bodys hanging around here. If anything, I think I'm less agressive here than I was in that game.shaft.ed wrote:Adel why are you pushing bandwagons further than in House?-
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ecto was right, rosso is trying to coast through this day without doing work. name calling is much easier.-
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damn dude, you are like a bulldog on this. he is like -4321 to lynch and you are still demanding a claim.CoolBot wrote:I want you to claim. I haven't been unclear about this. You defending your early behavior as just generating discussion is what warranted the wagon, but now I want a claim.
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Happy scumday albert!
I suspect he knows that I would skin him alive just so I could watch the expression on his face when he see me wearing his face.Albert B. Rampage wrote:What about Adel ? What do you think about Adel ?-
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people in glass houses, something something, shouldn't throw axes at people stirring the pot, or else a kettle will call you back.-
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reading all of shaft.ed's posts in isolation I note two things...
1. he recognizes my playsstyle and characterizes it as being my SOP
2. Beyond typing my name a lot, he votes for me and then says he needs to figure out why he thinks I am scum...
conclusion: shaft.ed likes me getting attention-
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but you have time to made multipule posts in the social forums?
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I count 5, ecto unvoted, and shaft.ed and farside voted for him since the last votecount.-
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you noticed! *huggle*shaft.ed wrote:
I see two useful types of meta's:Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:
Personally I ignore player metas, so I don't consider town/scum tells based on if people are behaving the same or differently relative to past games.shaft.ed wrote:I'm not familiar with too many players here, but does anyone have a meta that fits?
To what extent do you consider players' metas to be town/scum tells?
1) Out and out tell. This is a behavior that someone always does differently as scum/town that they are unaware of. I've caught these behavoirs on occassion and will use them to weigh end game decisions or who to pressure if I notice them. These can be noticed from simple re-reads of a players history.
2) Playstyle. If I notice someone has a particular playstyle after playing with them as town/scum, if they go against this I will decide to pressure such players. Not nearly as useful as tells, and are more difficult to absorb from a dettached re-read. I only have enough game experience with Adel to really use this approach. But her meta seems to be that she constantly shifts her meta, so I don't know if it will be too useful.-
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In a game filled with teenagers, I suppose a wagon on the new mother if almost inevitable. I find it distastful. Plus, Ectomancer & Surye are one it.
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dude, after a six month break you are trying to lynch me again out of habit? do you really want me to bring up all of the previous games? get a new shtick, seriously.Albert B. Rampage wrote:We're not lynching Surye or Rosso. Vote for Adel.-
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:[Unvote, vote Ectomancer
Only scum would want to keep playing!Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This is the best case in the entire game, therefore Adel is the best lynch.Ectomancer wrote: Your added comment was just a momentum killer type statement, and with a deadline looming in the not so distant future, its a scum style comment to me.-
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Albert B. Rampage in 315 wrote:Unvote, vote Ectomancer
Only scum would want to keep playing!Albert B. Rampage in 323 wrote:
This is the best case in the entire game, therefore Adel is the best lynch.Ectomancer wrote: Your added comment was just a momentum killer type statement, and with a deadline looming in the not so distant future, its a scum style comment to me.-
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And you are trying to distract attention from and undermine the current wagons by pushing my wagon... but only after making game stalling comments. Hello pot, I'm a kettle, and I'm calling you "black".
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:]This is the best case in the entire game, therefore Adel is the best lynch.Ectomancer wrote:Actually I was referring to farside's comments, but I suppose it could just be the epidural talking...
so if the "best case in the entire game" is against farside, why isn't your vote on farside?Albert B. Rampage wrote:I stubbornly stay my vote on Adel-scum.-
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It may apply more accurately to you than to me. Why should it count as a scumtell against me but not against you?-
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unvote, vote: Albert B. Rampage
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You need a new shtick. You almost ruined mafia for me last year by going out of your way to get me lynched in each game we were in together (and replacing into games I was in to lynch me, and I'm not going to take it laying down anymore.
this post covers the last four games I played with ABR
You have no case against me, and once your logic was exposed as being poorly contrived and oppertunistic, you appeal to the freakish accuracy of your ongoing games which could just as easily be due to random chance or you bussing a scumbuddy. The sample size is too smal for any real conclusion to be drawn.Adel in MD wrote:
only one out of four.Mr. Flay wrote:If you had joined the game and been scum with them, killing them would have been against your WC. My understanding is you joined several games just to kill Adel, though... was she scum in all of them?
after he lost to me in a game, the next three games I joined he joined as well. We were both town in all three.
The fasted he got me lynched was in Assassins in the Palace but at least I was just vanilla there and we both won.
He also got me lynched in Mini 471 where I was a doctor and made the mistake of thinking that I could ride out the b.s. day 1 wagon he built for me without claiming. We both lost.
I was also a doctor in Newbie #415 - Super Go-Getter Mafia where is wagon on me day 1 lead to me claiming doctor, but this time I made the mistake of unclaiming to avoid the nk, only to get lynched day 2. We both lost.
Due to the profanity I stopped posting in the post-game, but pickemgenuis (who was not in the game) started exchanging words with ABR. It got a little heated.
then, almost immediately afterwards, ABR replaced into mini-458 where PEG and I were scum, and ABR posted that he only replaced into that game to get PEG and I lynched.
I was going to quit playing once all of my games were done, but ABR got his victory so I figured that the matter was settled.
I probably wouldn't go through the trouble of typing all of this out, but I just watched the new Frontline documentary on the lead up to the Iraq war and historical revisionism pisses me off.
Lies do not age well. His defense of his actions has changed with time, and I think that contradiction is most damning.
... and you try to use that fact that i'm defending myself as a tell against me? I call bullshit. I'm not going to let another fantasy case of your's get me lynched, undermine the town's chances of winning, just for you to get chuckles.
Do I really think you are scum? Not really, but I do think that you are a bastard who likes to get me lynched for your own chuckles. I'll be the bigger person andunvotebut it was really tempting to get you lynched just to spite you.-
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and what, exactly, is causing that doubt to receed?Albert B. Rampage wrote:The shadow of what little doubt I have is quickly receding-
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that was my read. I don't think he would have such a hard-on for me if he was scum. Check out theose games where he has lynched me early in the game as part of his revenge fantasy orr picking-on-the-girl impulse or whatever is motivating it.. he is always like, "oops, I guess she really isn't scum" he knows that he won't be held accountable. after getting some sleep, I think I can see him getting me lynched day one and knowing that when I'm exposed as town he won't be held accountable.shaft.ed wrote:I've read ABR being very bull-headed so there's an off chance they're two townies having at it.
He clearly tried to stall the game out, and then accused me of doing the same thing he is guilty of. Worst case, he is town acting very anti-town and distracting everyone. I now think there is a better chance of him being scum than anyone else in the game. Notice how he hasn't linked to mini-458, the one game where he actually got me lynched as scum. I didn't resist that lynch very hard in that game because I didn't want my scum-budies to get linked to me by defending me.
meh, I shouldn't have unvoted last night, but I was worried about this becoming one of those idiotic flare-ups where two townies just get each other lynched. I have been down a similar road with ABR before.
I love how he claims that resisting a wagon of his creation and getting pissed at him for being a bull-headed ass areuniversalscumtells.
vote: Albert B. Rampage
I don't understand Coolbot's push for a Surye claim so long after Surye's wagon evaporated. It seems to be that ABR is pushing a false choice awfully hard.-
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