Mafia 81: SSW II - Game over!

[OhGodMyLife]

Destroy all humans!

Vote: Mr. Flay

Always wanted to do that

[OhGodMyLife]

Team Awesome in the house!

^5

[OhGodMyLife]

I didn't realize xyzzy was actually trying to policy lynch flay.

Unvote, Vote: xyzzy

Much better

Vote count

(13 players alive = 7 to lynch before deadline)
(3) xyzzy – Mr. Flay, Rogue Shenanigans, OhGodMyLife
(2) Mr. Flay – xyzzy, Grimmy
(1) Grimmy – farside22
(1) OhGodMyLife – SpyreX
(1) SpyreX – Korts

Not voting:

Jenter Brolincani, Flameaxe, killa seven, Nitro Styles, Phoebus

Deadline:

Monday 9 June 1:00 PM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[OhGodMyLife]

Tell me xyzzy, how does calling for a policy lynch start any kind of useful discussion aside from the fact that we're now discussing how scummy you look because of it.

The korts vote isn't helping your cause. I believe in the real world we call what korts based his vote on a misunderstanding, but you're trying to paint it as something more sinister.

[OhGodMyLife]

Yeah, I see that. But why would SpyreX assume werewolves would pretend to be humans?

Reading the last game, or a simple misunderstanding, are both valid explanations. I think you're hitting a dead end on this one korts.

[OhGodMyLife]

But then in later posts he promotes lynching flay simply because he says flay makes a dangerous scum, so we should lynch him just in case.

Thats super scummy.

Poorly thought out defense of xyzzy noted.

[OhGodMyLife]

Korts what do you think of xyzzy so far?

[OhGodMyLife]

Bah, OGML said it before me. Defending xyzzy.

i'm in ur hed, steelin ur ideaz [/lolcat]

[OhGodMyLife]

You're right, the wagon on you is very informed, thank you for helping.

And my point is that your korts vote is not well founded, and therefore further evidence for your scumitude.

[OhGodMyLife]

spyrex, if you had to make a real non-joke vote right now, who would it be for and why?

[OhGodMyLife]

yes indeed you certainly answered my question

[OhGodMyLife]

i'm voting for the person who overall has acted the scummiest. At this point in the game, not everyone has even posted, so that's not a very large pool of info to choose from.

You called what he said craplogic but didn't actually explain how the logic was crap. I guess you expected us to take your word for it, and vote because "craplogic is scummy lulz."

Please, xyzzy, tell the jury how korts has acted the scummiest.

[OhGodMyLife]

Tell me xyzzy, how does calling for a policy lynch start any kind of useful discussion aside from the fact that we're now discussing how scummy you look because of it.

It was his first post on day one, a simple bandwagon to get things moving out of the random stage as fast as possible. Thats how I see it at least Don't read too much into it.

Wait, wait, you don't read much into it, yet you leave your vote on him? You seem a bit undecided.

unvote

Decided enough? My vote was never serious in the first place.

So who do you find scummy at this point then.

Its time for serious votes.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm out for a few hours as well. Lets see some action in that time.

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML - try to tone down the huge quote blocks and double posting, eh?

Sorry about the giant quote boxes.

The double posting is just because there was a lot of action going on at that moment and things kept being simulposted. Check out the timestamps on that interaction involving xyzzy, korts, spyrex and myself.

[OhGodMyLife]

I wasn't supporting a policy lynch. I was supporting bandwagoning to get more info.

Srsly!

Really, xyzzy? Really?

I'm policy voting you because

1)I will enjoy this game more afterward
2)You're great at making anyone believe anything.

No, my scumchat policy lynches consist of killing me as quickly as possible.

This consists of "I really don't want you alive because any crap logic you spew will be believed, and while I've only played one game with you, in which you were scum, I have a fairly good belief that this is a risk in this game."

Also, scumchat is a horrible meta for forum games.

It hasn't even been 24 hours since you literally explained why you thought policy lynching flay was kosher.

[OhGodMyLife]

I disagree with farside and with korts on this one, we've already found substance. xyzzy is making himself obvious, and he's not the only question mark I have.

@Phoebus: your only posts so far have been 1) an unexplained vote and three comments to people that aren't related to the actual game, 2) requests for prods (when prods were not needed btw) and vote count policing, and 3) flippantly refusing to actually explain your vote.

I know you're paying attention, since you noticed the miscounted vote, but are you actually going to contribute any time soon? To me what you're doing looks like active lurking.

[OhGodMyLife]

but speaking of vote count policing

Mod: you missed rogue's unvote of xyzzy and flameaxe's vote for xyzzy

fixed

[OhGodMyLife]

Flay I don't think weekends matter, I think each game day is just 96 hours regardless of when it falls.

[OhGodMyLife]

xyzzy, seriously, you're hiding behind this "IT PRODUCED DISCUSSION" excuse, but the vote itself and the attempts to legitimize it were

still scummy

and you haven't been able to produce a real defense for that simple fact.

[OhGodMyLife]

Early discussion inducing votes are commonplace and in a game with short days, they are useful.

I don't like that we are being caught up in only one thing here though. Can't see anyone as being all that scummy right now because ZZ seems to be forced on the defence and not much else seems to be taking place.

OGML seems to be pushing this rather heavily.

Vote:OhGodMyLife

Would you rather I sit on my laurels and do nothing?

[OhGodMyLife]

By the way, there's a cute name for what rogue just did, its called The Chainsaw Defense.

Rather than defending xyzzy, he attacked xyzzy's primary attacker.

After we lynch xyzzy-scum, rogue shenanigans is next.

[OhGodMyLife]

flameaxe, farside, nitro styles, jenter, killa seven.

these players haven't added anything at all.

grimmy, phoebus

these players have posted enough, but haven't actually done anything for the game in those posts.

phoebus at least was kind enough to explain why in his most recent post. however, i think you should start moving the pace along yourself before you request mass prods. i too got prodded while i slept, although i have been one of the most active posters in this game.

[OhGodMyLife]

xyzzy isn't near hammering range yet, SpyreX. To me it seems like you're trying to look like you support the xyzzy lynch without leaving a real paper trail. Its time to put your vote where your mouth is.

[OhGodMyLife]

Giving a laundry list of reasoning for xyzzyscum but then not voting xyzzy was starting to look scummy itself. I wasn't trying to push you to make a decision, as you had clearly already made the decision. I was pushing you to stop sitting on the sidelines and sitting on your vote instead of using it.

You're right, the bandwagon doesn't make xyzzy scummy, his actions do, and thats what draws the bandwagon.

[OhGodMyLife]

Flameaxe and nitro, the people who voted and disappeared, are indeed on that list.

If I were trying to get zz lynched before anyone noticed, why would I call out the people who aren't participating? It seems that at this point, if I let the game stagnate my xyzzy lynch would go through unchallenged.

I'll note here that this is another chainsaw defense type of tactic. You're not actually defending xyzzy, just attacking me.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'll note here that this is another chainsaw defense type of tactic. You're not actually defending xyzzy, just attacking me.

Ever think that defending ZZ isn't his main point? That maybe its the method of your attacks that he finds scummy and not the subject of them?

Thanks for 1) not responding to my point about your OWN chainsaw defense of xyzzy and 2) answering for farside the same way you answered an attack against xyzzy earlier in the game for him.

I'm seeing a xyzzy-rogue-farside axis of evil here.

[OhGodMyLife]

Wrong. You guys aren't scummy simply for attacking me, you're scummy for attacking me

because I'm after xyzzy

, and especially because you don't offer any evidence for why I

shouldn't be after xyzzy.

[OhGodMyLife]

I am apathetic at this point toward the target.

Your actions strongly indicate otherwise.

EXHIBIT A: Jumping in to respond to a point made against xyzzy

Tell me xyzzy, how does calling for a policy lynch start any kind of useful discussion aside from the fact that we're now discussing how scummy you look because of it.

It was his first post on day one, a simple bandwagon to get things moving out of the random stage as fast as possible. Thats how I see it at least Don't read too much into it.

EXHIBIT B: Making excuses for xyzzy and engaging in the chainsaw defense

Early discussion inducing votes are commonplace and in a game with short days, they are useful.

I don't like that we are being caught up in only one thing here though. Can't see anyone as being all that scummy right now because ZZ seems to be forced on the defence and not much else seems to be taking place.

OGML seems to be pushing this rather heavily.

Vote:OhGodMyLife

[OhGodMyLife]

Flay, what do you think of rogue shenanigans?

[OhGodMyLife]

But...

you're still answering for xyzzy...

which is tantamount to defending him...

[OhGodMyLife]

Attacking the arguments made AGAINST someone is the same as DEFENDING that person. Attacking the person MAKING the arguments is the CHAINSAW DEFENSE. You haven't in any way shown my arguments to be DODGY so please provide evidence instead of simply claiming that the arguments are not well founded.

[OhGodMyLife]

The chainsaw defense I'm talking about is the one listed here: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... dard_Tells

[OhGodMyLife]

You didn't say he was protown in as many words, but you did defend his reasoning for doing something scummy, which is pretty close to saying you think he's pro-town. Or just flat out saying that you're scumpartners.

I agree that xyzzy chiming in here would be helpful.

[OhGodMyLife]

Who said anything about claiming? Are you already trying to think up a fakeclaim?

I guess if you're not looking at yourself or your scumpartners I can see how Korts looks scummy, but its hard to ignore the elephant in the room that is your scumminess.

[OhGodMyLife]

Jenter is that all you got out of reading the entire course of the game thus far?

[OhGodMyLife]

wow xyzzy thats a real doozie of a post right there.

Now is the time to lynch xyzzy and see what Night/Day 2 brings.

QFT

[OhGodMyLife]

Finally have more than 10 minutes free...I need to finish reading, and I'll have a post up in a short period of time.

*checks watch*

Hey, only six hours have gone by, but who's counting?

[OhGodMyLife]

Wow I can't believe how awesome that lynch was. Very powerful mafia role taken down before it can sow confusion AND it looks like the lynch happened so fast that the mafia didn't send in a nightkill. Glorious!

My vote today should come as no surprise to anyone who was actually reading the thread yesterday.

Vote: Rogue Shenanigans

[OhGodMyLife]

EBWODP

I immediately realize a problem with my last post which I am too tired right now to really think about the implications of.

If rogue is scum, then there is no way the scum could have missed sending in a nightkill, as he was the one who hammered.

However, all evidence points to roguescum, so I guess I should be congratulating some town power role out there for stopping the kill. Thanks town power role, you're a smart cookie. Glorious!

[OhGodMyLife]

Scum recruiter? Man, I couldn't have guessed that lynch would go so well - however, there's no reason to assume any of killa/me/farside are pure town, because there's also the possibility of a kill+block. The night rules make that incredibly sketchy to base anything on though, so it's not much worth effort worrying about right now.

Thats very true but I believe this to be very important info. Therefore I suggest if we have a doctor then the doc should calim so that we know whether there is a doc or not. If so then the doc should tell us who he protected so we know who is a guarentied townie.

WOAH DOC FISHING!

Also, the rules are pretty clear on the fact that night choices need to be sent

before

the hammer vote is cast, so people who posted in twilight are in no way cleared. And I guess you didn't read the second half of that post you quoted about how rogue should have been able to send in the kill, where I say that a power role (be that a doc, a roleblocker or whatever) is also a valid explanation for the no kill?

[OhGodMyLife]

Possible two up on the scum, given that we caught the scum recruiter before giving him a chance to go to night and recruit.

Because we are totally badass like that.

[OhGodMyLife]

I seriously didn't see the case on ZZ.

I suck.

Not that I don't like it when people admit they were wrong and I was right, but this pretty much directly contradictory to the part of yesterday where you tried to convince me you hadn't made up your mind on xyzzy (in reference to chainsaw defense) and also to your hammer vote.

[OhGodMyLife]

Mod:

please prod or replace Nitro Styles

This rogue wagon needs less FoSes and more votes. With twelve alive we still need seven to lynch today.

Flay, I agree with you re: phoebus, but what makes him more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans?

[OhGodMyLife]

I would also like to note that the semi-quick lynch on ZZ could be reason for the lack of a NK. Scum could have thought they still had a day and a half to choose. Once you guys realise that I am all kinds of town I suggest we go after Nitro or K9

I already pointed out that the early lynch could have made the scum miss their kill, and this looks like a desperate attempt to get a wagon on anybody but you. "Hey guys, look at the lurkers!" will not dissuade me.

[OhGodMyLife]

Sorry, wrong.

I'm the tracker. That makes you a scum and me awesome.

I tracked farside last night and she didn't go nowhere.

Can we lynch the scum now?

[OhGodMyLife]

...I hate to say it but I think jumping on that counterclaim could have been a blunder on my part, as your own claim makes sense and its possible we have multiple trackers. You did seem to know who I targeted before I said it, and tracker is a role that makes loads of sense flavorwise for a pack of werewolves.

I think there was a pretty good chance I was gonna draw a nightkill soon anyway though.

Hmm. Farside or Phoebus?

Unvote, Vote: Phoebus

[OhGodMyLife]

After the way I have played I don't blame you for being a bit rash. You coulda spent a little while thinking on how I knew someone had targeted farside though

Yeah I'm a dummy.

[OhGodMyLife]

Generally the mafia has to select one member to be making the kill and they're the one who will register to a tracker. A negative tracking result doesn't clear farside by itself, but it is the reason I chose phoebus over her to vote for, because otherwise I find them equally scummy.

[OhGodMyLife]

question: wouldnt there be something in the day description that would hint towards an assasination attempt?

Grimmy
may be wrong.

No we wouldn't be told if the lack of kill is because of pro-town interference in mafia activity or because mafia missed sending in kill orders.

[OhGodMyLife]

Here's another possibility I just thought of, and one which I'll have to mull over for a bit.

How common are mafia trackers?

I've read games where they exist but never actually played in one. Maybe somebody a little older skool than me can weigh in on this?

I'm having a real hate-love-hate relationship with you right now rogue.

[OhGodMyLife]

I have to go out for the afternoon, but later I'm gonna look into completed games with mafia trackers and see how often the role pops up.

[OhGodMyLife]

Nitro Styles I hate you with every fiber of my being.

Please actually partake in this game or request replacement, because this:

Seriously; we don't have time to chase lurkerwagons.

is true.

farside's vote looked like a sad 'anybody but me' deal.

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Rogue

The more I think about it the more a mafia tracker seems like the explanation.

If the presence of a mafia recruiter meant that the mafia started with only two members, then another mafia power role, especially one that finds town power, goes a long way towards overcoming the false start.

Phoebus, unless Nitro Styles starts actually participating in this game, I whole-heartedly support you shooting HIM tonight with your vigging and saving us the trouble of having to lurkerhunt later.

And everyone should get off of Phoebus after that claim, he's correct about tonights kill pattern either confirming him or damning him, so he is not the play for the day.

[OhGodMyLife]

Flay wanting the same person vigged makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

Only game I could remember reading with a maf tracker off the top of my head was Glork's Weather Mafia, which was a theme. But I swear I've seen it elsewhere. Flay if your memory reaches back further than mine I'd love some help finding a reference. I'll actually do some digging for it later today.

[OhGodMyLife]

If we don't lynch rogue I'm willing to partake in the tracker chain. I'd rather just lynch him though. And I feel like I'm the likely nightkill tonight anyway.

[OhGodMyLife]

OK, lynch the lurker, Phoebus chooses his own target.

Unvote, Vote: Nitro

[OhGodMyLife]

Its because I think that rogue can be a tracker and still be scum. All my tracking him is going to prove is that he's got the abilities of a tracker, not his alignment.

[OhGodMyLife]

Hey guys I lost power last night because of a crazy storm and only just got it back lemme go look at what the hell has been going on.

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Rogue Shenanigans

The presence of a cop makes me more than sure that rogue is a scum tracker, and I would much rather just lynch him than simply confirm the fact that he can track people with this increasingly silly tracker chain.

[OhGodMyLife]

Now that the cop is revealed he is unlikely to survive the night. So rogue begging to be investigated by the cop really doesn't do it for me.

[OhGodMyLife]

I have no doubt that my tracking you will prove you are in fact a tracker but once again that gets nowhere in terms of your alignment.

[OhGodMyLife]

killa, the cop just cleared farside.

[OhGodMyLife]

I tracked Eek to Rogue, which still tells us nothing new.

Gotta think about things in this game a bit. Phoebus might be the play.

[OhGodMyLife]

Depends on the mod in terms of whether a maf power role will be able to use their power and perform a kill on the same night.

I tracked eek because I was highly suspicious of farside, and if both trackers were town I didn't think a third town info role was very likely.

The death of rogue, something I wasn't expecting, could easily be to cover for the fact that phoebus' claim may have been fake. Without rogue's tracking results we don't really know.

Like I said, gotta think about this one.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote: Phoebus

[OhGodMyLife]

Already divulged my information, and explained why I think pheeb is scum. All that was needed was my vote.

[OhGodMyLife]

Let's see what Eek says - I hope he didn't target rogue...

Eek already told us he investigated rogue.

Didn't like the entirety of pheeb's last post. I think we've got a live one.

[OhGodMyLife]

Say eek, this never got asked yesterday and is of paramount importance.

What is the flavor of your role pm?

Is your role simply "cop" or is it something a.k.a. cop.

[OhGodMyLife]

Far, far too many one shot vig roles.

Something is rotten in the state of Wolventon.

[OhGodMyLife]

Bleh i tracked eek again last night he investigated grimmy.

At least this confirms his result on farside, so bm should prooobably get off her back.

I think some grimmy wagon is appropriate right now.

Vote: grimmy

[OhGodMyLife]

/agree with jenter's claim order

[OhGodMyLife]

Actually I'd like to see jenter shoot BM. Even with a recruiting scum, this town seems altogether too powerful with his 4 different shot jack of all trades in what is practically a mini game. I believe jenter's claim based on phoebus' reaction to it. If BM is really a town vig, then he should shoot whichever vanilla claim he finds the scummiest tonight.

[OhGodMyLife]

BM's response makes me like my plan even more.

Jenter should definitely shoot BM tonight.

[OhGodMyLife]

farside, I found it hard to believe we had two town trackers. I was obviously wrong. We also appear to have had two berserks. However, I am finding it extremely hard to swallow that on top of those two pairs of roles, and a cop, we also have a very powerful jack of all trades.

If BM is town, he shouldn't have any problem with going through with the plan I proposed. Its like telling a claimed vig to shoot himself to save the town a lynch. If he doesn't do it, he's scum. Jenter's claim is corroborated by Phoebus' reaction to it, now that we know what Pheeb's role was, which is why I'm not requesting Jenter die tonight as well. One of Jenter and BM should be shooting BM tonight, and the other should be shooting at the crowd of vanilla townie claims. I'd rather have Jenter shoot BM, as I am basically certain that Jenter's claim was truthful.

Grimmy, don't worry, I still love you, I just think you're scum.

[OhGodMyLife]

So, BM, you think I bussed xyzzy then? I don't know if you noticed, but that lynch pretty much happened because I made it happen.

And farside, who has a cop innocent result to confirm her, is also near the top of your scum list. Sweet.

[OhGodMyLife]

Tracker results:
N1: farside goes nowhere
N2: eek goes to rogue shenanigans
N3: eek goes to grimmy

If you really think I

knew

that xyzzy was scum any more than you seem to

know

I'm scum you need to read day one again. And if you really think somebody would bus the mafia RECRUITER before the lynch became inevitable you're just wrong.

[OhGodMyLife]

btw what makes you say muffinhead is highly likely town?

Vote count

(8 players alive = 5 to lynch before deadline)
(1) Grimmy – OhGodMyLife,

Not voting:

Battle Mage, farside22, Grimmy, Jenter Brolincani, Mr. Flay, muffinhead, SpyreX

Deadline:

Friday 20 June 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[OhGodMyLife]

So the right time to bus your scumpowerrole partner is when he's got only two other votes on him, one of which is random? Good to know you think that for future reference. I do not think that lynch would have happened at all if I hadn't been pushing for it like I did.

Scum recruiter = more powerful than looking hella town. Xyzzy was by no means an assured lynch at the top of page 2 when I started into him.

And BM, please:

btw what makes you say muffinhead is highly likely town?

[OhGodMyLife]

Conditional night choices aren't allowed, I'll vouch for that as well.

I like Spyrex's plan actually.

BM still needs to tell us why he thinks muffin is pro town

[OhGodMyLife]

I've got my night action set. Lynch away.

[OhGodMyLife]

BM has been conspicuously absent from this game while still managing to post in his other games ever since I asked him a direct question and SpyreX proposed his plan.

[OhGodMyLife]

Tomorrow evening at around 5, I'll be leaving for a redeye flight to Paris thats gonna have me away while the deadline takes place. If BM doesn't get in here before then to 1) answer my question and 2) confirm he's going along with SpyreX's plan, he's getting my vote at that time, and you guys will either have to help me lynch him, or get a majority on Grimmy without me.

[OhGodMyLife]

EBWOP: I foresee having internet access in Paris, but consider me on LA for the next week as I'll be somewhat more concerned with, you know, experiencing the city on my vacation than with MS My modding duties, followed by this game, will be my top priorities however.

[OhGodMyLife]

OK, the plan should be followed as SpyreX proposed it.

And BM, which part of "the xyzzy lynch wouldn't have happened if I hadn't made it happen" didn't you get?

[OhGodMyLife]

Uh huh, why doesn't spryex's plan work for you?

Oh, because it would prove that you're lying, I get it.

[OhGodMyLife]

Well in this plan, the fact that I'm a power role and all of the people who spyrex proposed we shoot are claimed vanilla. If you follow it, it will also CONFIRM YOU AS TOWN, which would be a nice bonus for you in the coming days if you're really town.

Whereas if you are scum, coming up with any excuse not to follow it prevents you from being immediately outed.

[OhGodMyLife]

My night action is set. I'm leaving now for the airport, I'll be somewhere over the atlantic ocean when the deadline hits.

If BM shoots me instead of going along with the plan, lynch him tomorrow.

[OhGodMyLife]

Yo, greetings from a really flaky wi fi in Paris. unsurprisingly, flay did not target anybody last night.

Mafia rb or BM no killing bc it was the only way not to out himself make equal amounts of sense to me. Need to think about it.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote: BM

[OhGodMyLife]

Flay, no problem, I'm just reporting my results as I got them.

At this point, I'm fairly certain based on play alone that flay is town. His tracking result actually proves very little since the mafia doesn't seem to have killed last night. It does however prove that flay can't be a mafia roleblocker, because tracking would have seen him roleblock somebody.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm getting this really uneasy feeling about BM and Flay...

I'm glad they can't lynch SpyreX by themselves. If BM is lynched scum and the game is not over, I believe Flay has to be the last scum. The fact that he didn't target anyone last night only really clears him of being a roleblocker, not of being mafia altogether, since the mafia did not kill last night.

He did have forewarning that I would be tracking him, after all.

[OhGodMyLife]

The other, much less likely scenario for me at this point if there are two scum left is farside/spyrex, where farside has to be a godfather.

Like I said, much less likely.

[OhGodMyLife]

I also doubt that there are three mafia. I think that when we lynch BM, the game will be over. But if he is lynched as scum and the game

isn't

over, then the only option is flay. If it were farside/BM, she'd just be lynching you with him and flay for the win.

BM, you can no longer adequately prove your role.

Your claimed roleblock is unprovable.
Your claimed doc protect is unprovable.
Your claimed vig attempt didn't happen.

And like was just said, if we go to night with you alive and depending on my results to confirm you, you can bet I'll be dead in the morning and you'll be in the same place you are right now.

[OhGodMyLife]

Who is more likely to 1) be scum on the xyzzyscum wagon and 2) have missed sending in a nightkill.

Is it A. OhGodMyLife, who was the most active person in the thread on day one and who pushed the xyzzy wagon from start to finish
Or is it B. Flameaxe, who's only day one activity was to vote xyzzy because he always does so in scumchat, and who later flaked out entirely and was replaced by BM.

We report, you decide!

[OhGodMyLife]

LOL look at that, a mafia tracker after all.

[OhGodMyLife]

vote: rogue shenanigans

I thought 96 hours was a great pace. Maybe jenter could chime in on that since he played both games.

Conditional night choices would have been great. You know I tried to do that day one, and how much I flip flopped on who I was going to track.

I really found the glut of power roles hard to believe, and of course my natural instinct when someone claims my role is to put the noose around their neck myself. Lesson learned there for me.

[OhGodMyLife]

Well thats interesting.

Dear impartial observers,
What made me scummy?
Love, OGML