Mafia 81: SSW II - Game over!

[Mr. Flay]

Destroy all humans!

Vote: Mr. Flay

Always wanted to do that

You'll be first up against the wall, sir...

With such a short daycycle, I don't think random voting is necessary in this game.

Vote: Grimmy

- what makes you think Spyrex/MM is worth a vote?

[Mr. Flay]

Awesome, now we're getting somewhere.

It was a joke because the joking votes ARE necessary.

That is where you're wrong. Random votes are at best a way to get a feel for the temperament of the players - but there are other ways to spur on discussion, like asking questions, or actual voting with intent.

Unvote, Vote: xyzzy

- let's dance. What's your case?

[Mr. Flay]

I'd like to remind you, SpyreX, that in this game, werewolves are the good guys, and if you pretend to be/are a human, you will be lynched. You implying the opposite is indicative to me that you're a human and believe your side to be the pro-town one.

Huh? Where do you see Spyrex claiming to be a human? Anyway, anyone who is dumb enough to do that hasn't read the game thread and/or their role PM.

xyzzy has as much as admitted that he wants me lynched for reasons that have nothing to do with the town. DIA

F

L.

[Mr. Flay]

It was his first post on day one, a simple bandwagon to get things moving out of the random stage as fast as possible. Thats how I see it at least Don't read too much into it.

Defense of xyzzy noted, as is your backing off the bandwagon when pressured. Either way, you're not looking good for tomorrow right now - try posting your thoughts on either the setup or the players, instead of just responding to people?

Oh hi. It's day one, and in true day one fashion...

Not. Helpful.

Did you notice we're on page 3 already? We're trying to actually play the game here, not policy-lynch xy.

[Mr. Flay]

Tell me, did you read the game before voting him?

[Mr. Flay]

What the hell is a "policy vote", xyzzy? You'll vote someone but won't lynch them? That doesn't make any sense... ANY vote should be prepared to go all the way to completion, unless it's specifically disclaimered (which just makes it entirely useless, more often than not).

Seriously. I get that our previous game cheesed you off, but this is unhealthy. I'm no more or less a threat to you in this game based on being scum in Newbie Game 446 (for those who don't know what he's referring to), can you understand that? Try to disconnect your emotions.

FOS: Flameaxe

- you're either lying or an idiot. If you'd been a few hours earlier, you'd have put xyzzy at

four

votes w/o being aware of it (supposedly). Stop being unhelpful and read the damn thread!

Spryex (and anyone else this applies to) why don't you like me "trying to kill the jokevotes out of the box"?

[Mr. Flay]

I'd like to see more substance/logic behind Pheeb's vote on Grimmy. Right now it doesn't look useful or instructive to me.

I just realized after leaving last night that we have a little more breathing room for Day One, since there's a weekend in the middle of our "72 hours". Still, we're making good progress so far, and still have until Monday.

[Mr. Flay]

OGML, I think that's just what Flay said. We still have today, saturday and sunday.

Well, it is and it isn't. I somehow thought we were on a 72-hour Day, excluding Saturdays and Sundays. That it happened to work out to ~72 hours from my post is just happenstance.

If xyzzy turns up scum, my primary suspect for D2 will be Phoebus, who has largely ignored xy and has some seriously shoddy reasoning (which is to say, essentially none) on Grimmy. However, Phoebus is scatterbrained by nature; whether this is cultivated or not is up for debate. Would support a Phoebus lynch D1 too, but it's less likely at present.

If xyzzy comes up town, I'll be looking at Korts and Spryex, right now, though that can change depending on the end of the bandwagon(s). I'll explain more of why later.

[Mr. Flay]

Flay, what do you think of rogue shenanigans?

Mildly protown. The one thing that really chafed me was his willingness to drop his vote upon being questioned about it, but it's awfully early game to get bent out of shape about that. Worth a closer look later if still alive.

I'll be pleased as punch when Jenter, Flameaxe, Nitro Styles and killa seven get their butts in gear and participate more.

[Mr. Flay]

Now is the time to lynch xyzzy and see what Night/Day 2 brings.

Thanks, Phoebus, for that scummy action.

[Mr. Flay]

A claim would help. After that, yeah... I still can't see us not lynching you. You can come at us with "I tried my best" at the end game if your town then.

What the hell did you ask for a claim for, then?

[Mr. Flay]

Asking for the form of the thing when you're going to hammer anyway isn't terribly helpful, though. You just jumped way up on my radar...

[Mr. Flay]

Vote: Phoebus

- that was just the right amount of distancing for a scumbuddy, and I still think you were ignoring xy earlier on. Claim please.

Scum recruiter? Man, I couldn't have guessed that lynch would go so well - however, there's no reason to assume any of killa/me/farside are pure town, because there's also the possibility of a kill+block. The night rules make that incredibly sketchy to base anything on though, so it's not much worth effort worrying about right now.

Vote count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch before deadline)
(2) Rogue Shenanigans – OhGodMyLife, Jenter Bronlincani
(1) Jenter Brolincani – muffinhead
(1) Phoebus – Mr. Flay

Not voting:

farside22, Flameaxe, Grimmy, killa seven, Nitro Styles, Phoebus, Rogue Shenanigans, SpyreX

Deadline:

Thursday 12 June 1:00 AM (GMT -5 according to forum clock)

[Mr. Flay]

Uhhh, why would the doctor need to come out now? How do you even know there's a Doc, and not a roleblocker?

If anything, I could see discussion of a massclaim now that we're one-up on the scum, but doc fishing has no benefit to the town. The doctor is more useful staying hidden.

[Mr. Flay]

This rogue wagon needs less FoSes and more votes. With twelve alive we still need seven to lynch today.

Flay, I agree with you re: phoebus, but what makes him more scummy than Rogue Shenanigans?

Nothing, really, I was just following up on my thoughts from yesterday. I would support either man for the lynch for today, but I'm a leetel concerned about the speed of Rogue's wagon so far. We haven't even heard from some people since Daybreak, have we?

That said, the evidence against Rogue is pretty damning, and I will hammer if he gets to L-1 and I don't like his claim.

[Mr. Flay]

Flay...claim with one vote?
Really?

Really; I don't want you to have time to make up a claim based on other claims in this game. However that was before the Roguewagon, so I'll put that on hold for now.

RIGHT AMOUNT of scum buddy distancing or whatever you call it...
You mean...not mentioning xyzzy at all...until I vote for him.
Not try to deflect attention, try a different bandwagon than xyzzy.
Never safely try to FoS him to show that I was "getting the wagon"

Let's see what I've actually done here...

Voted for someone - forgotten why
declared my apathy towards Day 1
voted xyzzy - he turned out scum (not that I claim any credit for that)

Call me scatter-brained...I'm not scummy.
if you think i'm scummy or i'm scum...you're wrong...

I may be wrong. But that doesn't make you not scummy, here. I say you're purposefully cultivating an unreadable, middle-of-the-road stance in this game.

There's a fable that goes something like this:
To see if MeMe is scum in a game, see how often she's wrong.
I'm tempted to apply that to Flay here.

If you think what I'm doing is truly honestly scummy...you need to retune your scumdar.

Fair enough. But I started the xy-wagon yesterday, so it seems pretty tuned-up so far, Pheeb. Like I said, I'm willing to wait until D3 for you.

P.S. Scum aren't likely to miss another night's kill, if that is indeed what happened N1 (I'm not convinced yet). So there's no reason to speedlynch anymore...

[Mr. Flay]

Eeenteresting. I can't see much reason for OGML to be throwing his life away on a gambit here, when Rogue was already circling the drain.

What're the odds we have two Trackers? Rogue, what's the flavor on your role?

Don't quote your role PM!

- you should be able to figure out what I'm asking for.

[Mr. Flay]

So.. We may have two trackers and farside went nowhere?

Now, here's a noob question about how games work on here - when mafia submit a nightkill, do ALL the mafia make the kill or is it a single player that makes the kill on behalf of the mafia?

Usually if there's any sort of Tracker/Watcher/Bomb/Roleblocker, the Mafia have to choose who performs the kill, so the Mod knows who to retaliate against. A Watcher who saw the entire mafia team would be wholly imbalanced, of course.

1.) We have two trackers. Farside did nothing because he was town.
2.) OGML is lying and tried to kill Farside but Farside was protected.
3.) Rogue is lying and got -very- lucky in picking what the actual tracker did.
4.) We have two trackers. Farside did nothing because he forgot to send in his night action.
5.) Rogue AND OGML are mafia and this is some elaborate gambit.

I like OGML's #6 best actually (Rogue is a Mafia Tracker). OGML, can you comment on the last part of RS' post 212? Mafia Tracker is a good role because it can sniff out power roles.

1 and 4 are essentially the same, from everything we can prove right now. 3 is extremely unlikely. 2 is possible, but not good play because he wasn't under any real suspicion (and even if RS did observe OGML going to kill farside, the fact that he failed means RS has no hard evidence of OGML's guilt, something I believe OGML would know before he claimed). 5 is extremely dangerous but really unlikely, since it requires RS to set up OGML for a fall, when OGML was in no danger of a lynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Events of N1 (or the lack thereof) lead me to strongly believe we have at most one scum group. I'm a little perplexed on how to balance a Mafia Recruiter with a near-mini (13 players), but limited recruitment of only Townies, giving up the group's NK to recruit, or starting with only two Scum all come to mind.

If it's the last one, we're way ahead of the game here.

Post 231 is gonna be interesting once we know the alignment of one of our "Trackers". I think I'd still rather lynch Phoebus today, though, or at least get a claim out of him.

[Mr. Flay]

Seriously; we don't have time to chase lurkerwagons.

[Mr. Flay]

I would like MOAR POSTING, kthxbye.

Especially from Phoebus and Nitro.

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote

pending a full read-through. No sense lynching someone who can prove themselves.

I think everyone should post their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice for Phoebus' kill, and then let him decide. If more than one person dies tonight, I'm also hoping it'll be fairly obvious which one was killed by Werewolves, and we'll have a lot more data tomorrow.

My choices

1st: Nitro Styles - trying to lynch a lurker in a game this fast will be distracting and difficult.
2nd: muffinhead - chaotic and hard to read.
3rd: Flameaxe, who appears to be lurking as well, and whose first post was completely irresponsible (and possibly distancing).

I could be persuaded toward a Rogue lynch, but I may want to think about it for another Day/Night cycle.

[Mr. Flay]

I kinda wanna see OGML track Rogue, who tracks Phoebus. If Phoebus lives, it might go a ways toward clearing a bunch of people.

But I'm also happy with power roles that choose their own targets. Just thinking out loud, after OGML sarnath'd me.

[Mr. Flay]

Mafia Tracker isn't very unusual; Mafia Recruiter

is

(and this is a Large Normal, technically, not a Mini, but I get your point).

Less than 36 hours to deadline, if I can count right.

[Mr. Flay]

Mini 516 had one too, apparently. And in several games, Trackers can be recruited by the Cult.

But that's not really the point (I don't go in big for frequency analysis, because every mod has their own ideas); a Tracker

makes sense

as either town or scum, unlike say a Mason or a Survivor.

[Mr. Flay]

Safeclaims is a theme thing is it not?

Can't see why it would have a place here.

Safeclaims are a balance thing. In practice however, Mafia Tracker would be the equivalent of a safeclaim (your role, is

usually

pro-town and provable).

I'm not entirely comfortable lynching one Tracker, because even if Rogue is scum (assuming the game is not over then), OGML would be the likely Scum target. Of course, if we have a Bodyguard/Vet/Doctor, that would provide a very obvious target for them...hmmm.

[Mr. Flay]

Well, I'd rather ditch an inactive too, but I'm not sure we can get there in the time left. Neither farside nor k7 really count...

Vote: Nitro Styles

as motivation/putting my vote where my mouth is.

[Mr. Flay]

Mod: If you haven't prodded Nitro Styles, can you do so?

Mod note:

Already taken care of

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote

to avoid a speedlynch - I'll definitely revote if Nitro doesn't show up with some good content soon, but I want to make sure all protown roles have a chance to make/change their choices.

[Mr. Flay]

If Rogue is a scum tracker, could he track Phoebius regardless? Would this in any way clear him?

I don't see how it clears me totally.

It does however show that I am willing to cooperate at least.

Yeah, it wouldn't clear him, but it would raise my estimation of his townieness. Especially if someone else dies unrelated to that, as I find it somewhat unlikely that we had three scum in 13 players, one of whom being a recruiter (but recruiters can be weird).

Why don't you like the Nitro wagon, killa? We could go back to you...

[Mr. Flay]

Huh. This game is F'ing full of power roles apparently...

We can't just wait out the deadline, MME; the person with the most votes gets lynched, and right now you're very close.

Vote: Flameaxe

- I still think that first post was scummy, especially considering what xyzzy turned up as.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm not saying that we do nothing the next 17 hours. I said not to vote for me during the next 17-16 hours, so I won't get lynched before the deadline and thus not being able to share my innocent, should I be lynched.

I know that; what I'm saying is that if you have 4/3/2 votes and only one other player has 1 vote,

you'll be lynched anyway

. Read the deadline rules very carefully in this game.

[Mr. Flay]

How was I picking the wagon? I put my vote where I thought it could do more good than it was previously, and

4

other people hopped right on it in less than 24 hours. I admit I thought he was a good candidate pre-lynch, but you're giving me a little too much credit, Rogue.

[Mr. Flay]

I admit I thought he was a good candidate pre-lynch

That should have read 'pre-

claim

', I just realized that.

Approximately 12 hours to deadline. We should NOT rush the lynch, as power roles will want the maximum amount of time to submit their final choices.

[Mr. Flay]

I also would like to see Eek give his Innocent Result today. A claimed Cop and no certainty of a Doctor means he may be a good target for tonight, which would mean we'd lose some data.

[Mr. Flay]

Unvote, Vote: killa

- I'll be back before deadline, but I want to prevent any last-minute shenanigans with a 1-vote majority.

IGMEOY, Flameaxe... I REALLY hope you come back before deadline with more information.

[Mr. Flay]

It'll tell us that Rogue didn't kill the Cop, not that Rogue isn't scum.

I'm leery of directing all the night actions, but Cop+OGML on Rogue sounds promising. Of course, if he IS town and dies tonight... I dunno. We're heading into WIFOMland.

[Mr. Flay]

Are you trying to

Vote

for Rogue, killa??

[Mr. Flay]

I would not touch silver.

Is this a crumb or part of the message you got when the kill didn't go through? If the latter, I'd say you're dealing with someone with partial kill immunity...

Do you still have your kill attempt to use, or are you a semi-Townie now?

I'm surprised at the Rogue NK, but not entirely because it broke the chain. It was a risk we took.

Time for a reread.

[Mr. Flay]

The death of rogue, something I wasn't expecting, could easily be to cover for the fact that phoebus' claim may have been fake. Without rogue's tracking results we don't really know.

I like this idea.

Vote: Phoebus

for reasons mentioned yesterday.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm curious to know something if no one minds a question.
I'm not sure how people are on this site, but if you have a one shot or once per game ability that doesn't happen do to being blocked or doc protected does that mean you used your ability?
I ask because a mod I know on another site will still allow you to have your one shot if it was blocked, but not if the person was protected.
Thanks

Usually it's used up, but it depends on the moderator.

[Mr. Flay]

So you'd rather vig me but vote Grimmy? I don't get it...

[Mr. Flay]

'Ello? Did I kill everyone with ma words?

No, I've just been really busy, and will be 'absent' a lot of tomorrow too.

I'm comfortable with a lynch of Phoebus, if it comes to that before I return. Jenter's claim makes things all the more interesting, but if Phoebus flips Town, that probably means Jenter should use his kill tonight, as he'll be a prime NK target (not that it's not a target-rich environment).

I'd recommend Flameaxe, if he doesn't get his ass back here and post soon.

[Mr. Flay]

Actually, in fairness it's possible we have multiple vigilantes, as they are a fairly common way to balance recruiters, especially if they themselves are not recruitable.

With 13 players, it's possible. I still like my current vote, however.

[Mr. Flay]

Actually, no, no I don't.

Unvote

- I think post 400 at the top of this page is Phoebus confirming that he also has the hidden part of the Berserker role that JB alluded to, which would make them both town.

I'm not entirely opposed to a lynch of Phoebus if it does happen because I suspect he used up his kill immunity N1, which would explain a lot of things.

I think we're dealing with one surviving Human (probably powered) and 11 Werewolves. That makes sense in my brain, balance-wise, and means it's gonna be hard to get a good lynch anytime soon. Hmmm.

[Mr. Flay]

Also im trying to figue out whther jenter or phobus claimmed first dont have time to continue looking. I checked the last 7 pages and didnt find them so sombody can do me a favour in confirming.

Phoebus claimed 1 shot-vigilante first, and later (I think) claimed Flavor text "Berzerk". Jenter claimed the 1-shot bulletproof part, which confirmed him to Phoebus and via the death scene, to the rest of us (IMO).

Battle Mage's role seems like overkill in a game with a Cop and two trackers, but flavorwise it makes some sense.

I support a massclaim.

Don't just blurt out your role!

- if we do decide to go with it, either Jenter should pick the first player/whole order since he's basically confirmed (maybe Jenter+OGML) or we use the random number generator.

[Mr. Flay]

Jenter did spell it right: "Berserk" - don't go lynching him on account of my typos.

And yes: Jenter claimed Berserk, 1-shot/1-proof on Saturday June 14th. Phoebus had already claimed Berserker, 1-shot vig, on Tuesday the 10th. Since Phoebus already died and was proven town, that basically points to Jenter as having the exact same role, considering Phoebus' post at the top of the last page.

[Mr. Flay]

I have no special abilities. Just a useless townie who has been in this town FOREVER!!!

Great Great Great Grandpa Grimmy

Huh? Is that your flavor text?

[Mr. Flay]

Interesting.

I'm a Werewolf/Townie.

[Mr. Flay]

How would you like to confirm yourself, BM?

How many abilities do you have left to use?

[Mr. Flay]

Actually, my plan requires knowing if, even if they are killed, a vig's shot goes through.

In almost all cases, moderators resolve all nightkills simultaneously, meaning that both would succeed.

Your plan is intriguing. I'll have to kick it around a bit longer in my brain...

If B, C and another die, B & C are probably cleared

You must have meant "1 & 2 are probably cleared", right?

Also, there's a way to break your plan. I'm not sure if I'll talk about it yet.

[Mr. Flay]

EBWOP: I think that line should read, "If B & C dies, but no one else, 1 or 2 is most likely the mafia. If B, C and another die, 1 & 2 are probably cleared."

[Mr. Flay]

Hmmm. MME's death scene doesn't specify the manner of death, but Rogue Shenanigan's does. I'm guessing the mod might have been busy during MME's scene, but it's definitely a risk. The other problem would be framing via deferred/masked kills.

Also, if BM is actually a Jack-of-All-Trades, we're probably dealing with two Humans left. *sniffs air* Trying to decide which is more likely...

[Mr. Flay]

Jenter, I wish you'd at least send in a conditional kill. Not using your power at this point, since you're essentially confirmed town, is ASKING to be nightkilled by the scum.

Are we going to try to lynch a townie claim today, or what? Just trying to sort if we think it's worth going No Lynch to gain more information tonight...

[Mr. Flay]

Mod: Vote Count

?

[Mr. Flay]

Since it is my head on the chopping block, i want to know.

After im shown to be a townie, who does this implicate?

This should probably wait until after you're lynched (as seems likely) speculation on tomorrow's suspects will help the Mafia direct their actions.

Waiting for BM to post before voting grimmy. I don't believe he's helpful to the town anymore alive, but his lynch could be instructive, and there's a better than average chance in my brain that he's scum.

[Mr. Flay]

Would you rather we purposefully lynch and assassinate power roles? Remember, we've had a mass claim.

Seriously, you have to propose an alternative if you want to avoid the chopping block. Your posts have been nigh-incoherent and wandering all over the place. Take a minute (you've got almost 3 days until deadline) and compose a defense of yourself, or your thoughts on everyone else, and maybe the wagons will shift.

[Mr. Flay]

Mod note:

I made a more thorough read on the last pages and noticed a question on the flavor concerning death scenes. That is a miss I've made, naturally My Milked Eek's death should have involved some kind of silver related object run through him.

This is awesome data, and very fair to clarify; thanks Johoono.

[Mr. Flay]

I don't want BM lynched today; I want him to use his vigilante attack tonight, which should either clear him or get him killed tonight/tomorrow.

With johoono's clarification of the death scene, there's very little chance of mistaking one side's kill for the other. That said, POST, damnit!

[Mr. Flay]

Vote: Grimmy

- the last thing we need is another absent player, and BM has given us something to chew on for tomorrow.

[Mr. Flay]

Okay, all power roles need to check in, and I can think of at least one reason BM might have failed (Mafia Roleblocker framing him up for today).

That said, I need to re-read with grimmy as 'town'.

[Mr. Flay]

Not a thought on everyone, but this:

We have no scumkill last night, interesting.

is consistent with a Mafia Roleblocker who must give up their kill to block. Or some town-blocker got lucky... we'll know more once everyone checks in.

How do you figure we're at LyLo, BM? 6 left and probably 1 scum (due to above) means we should be able to take care of both scummy suspects before we're in dire danger.

[Mr. Flay]

Four to lynch so I'll hold off voting, but

FOS: Battle Mage

- how convenient that when no one else seems to have been blocked all game (someone correct me if I'm wrong), your night action comes up missing when it would confirm you?
I'm insanely busy today so no posting for the next 12h or so, but I'll probably vote BM on Monday unless someone pokes a hole in the current theory.

Thanks for the partial clear, OGML. I think we have just one scum left at this point.

[Mr. Flay]

Yeh i just checked my sentbox. I shot Spyrex.

Obviously if BM comes up as a JOAT, Spyrex is next on my list.

[Mr. Flay]

You said you thought I was scum, so

I was letting you shoot me

.

BUT WHY!? o.O
Why would you do that as town?? I just don't get it!

Jesus, BM, try to keep up.

As a (reputed) townie, part of the power that SpyreX has is to be cannon-fodder. If his death at your hands lends vig-flavor, then you're cleared and we still maintain a positive balance. If he dies and it shows silver, you're dead meat. What better effect could a Townie have at night?

It's not like he was asking to be lynched or anything. With as many power roles as we (apparently) have in this game, townies still serve a purpose.

Honestly, as long as the town hangs you, I dont care if its me first. If the town decides to vote my way I'll hammer myself - as long as you realize that you will be tomorrow. Just like how if I'm wrong with you.

Or, you know, not...

Can you explain to me why you're so hell-bent on being dead with BM, even though you seem to believe it will result in a lose (post 573)? Maybe I'm stupid on a Monday, but that's only true IF we have two scum left AND no saves occur at night, right?

[Mr. Flay]

Uhhh... if you die for it, knowing you're a townie, and knowing that will cause us to lose, it's a Pyrrhic

victory

loss. That's dumb, and not helpful.

I need a sanity check.

Original Roll String: 1d20-3

1 20-Sided Dice: (17)-3 = 14

Since BM has one more activity left if he's telling the truth, is it worth putting SpyreX's bluff to the test

today

and lynching BM tomorrow, assuming he doesn't get cleared/offed by some night action? I feel like this game should be highly reductionist at this point, but my brain isn't wrapping around it.

Left Alive:

• OGML - Tracker, largely cleared by counterclaim/clearing of the other Tracker, and the xyzzy lynch.
  
• Flay - Townie, not a Human RB according to OGML.
  
• BM - Jack-of-All-Trades, may have his kill left, certainly has his...tracking left? Question of why his kill didn't go through is the $10,000 prize for today.
  
• SpyreX - Townie, should have died last night but didn't. Possible RB?
  
• farside22 - Townie, cleared by OGML's lack of result N1 and MME's investigation.
  
• Jenter - now-confirmed Berserker with used-up power. REALLY outside chance that he's a Traitor 1-shot Vig 1-shot Bulletproof , but that seems unfair in a Normal Game.

Unless I'm wrong about Jenter, I don't see how it can be anyone BUT SpyreX or Battle Mage.

[Mr. Flay]

Shit.

Only about 12 hours until deadline...

Vote: Spyrex

, but I'll be back before deadline to see if anyone's poked any holes in my theory.

[Mr. Flay]

questions

1. Was 96 hours too short time for a day? (I actually preferred the 72 hours pace used in my first game – but maybe that’s just me)
2. Any opinions on the night choice mechanic – that you had to PM it before the deadline?
3. Any opinions on the private communication (werewolves) could go on at all times?
4. Was the game balanced considering power roles?
5. Should I permit conditional night choices (= kill X, but if X is lynched I kill Y instead)?
6. Would you join another swift game? why/why not?

1. 96 was just about right for me - 72 with a "weekends don't count" exception" might have worked too, but this was a pretty solid pace, without being rushed ALL the time.
   
2. I think conditional choices would be better (I PM'ed you about this, feel free to quote me), because otherwise you're adding a weird element of metagame to what's going on. I don't think 6-12 hours of 'Night' would have hurt anything either, but that's just me (if I'd had a power role, I'd have been almighty pissed if I missed my choice by 90 seconds).
   
3. That's fine, as long as it's known/can be expected (which it will be, now that you've done it twice in Swift Games).
   
4. Recruiters are always swingy. I'd have made a 3-man team with a recruiter, and a slightly larger game. You also may have had too many power roles for town, but I need to think about that a bit. Really, we got VERY lucky in nailing xyzzy D1, so it's hard to tell on balance.
   
5. See 2.
   
6. Not right now because of my schedule, but yeah, I'd probably play something similar again. I joined specifically because I was skeptical about how much scumhunting you could do on that time frame, and I am happy to have been proven wrong.

I think you did a very good job, by the way, and I know how nerve-wracking an always-on-full game can be to moderate.

[Mr. Flay]

Ohhhh, i had to send to Phoebus? lol

Why did nobody else mention that...

He did, you didn't read...

Night choices:

Send your choices both to him and me from now on (I've given him all those sent to me up till now).

In fairness, BM was in a VERY tough spot, and his claim was overall not bad. He just got locked up in the power role grid, and overplayed his claim. But an Alpha Wolf claim was not a bad idea, all things considered. I actually was having doubts at the end there...

Who is more likely to 1) be scum on the xyzzyscum wagon and 2) have missed sending in a nightkill.

Is it A. OhGodMyLife, who was the most active person in the thread on day one and who pushed the xyzzy wagon from start to finish
Or is it B. Flameaxe, who's only day one activity was to vote xyzzy because he always does so in scumchat, and who later flaked out entirely and was replaced by BM.

We report, you decide!

Ahahaha, I totally forgot that BM used to be Flameaxe! That would have changed my endgame vote right there, because I thought Flameaxe was scummy from the word 'go'...

[Mr. Flay]

Conditional night choices would have been great. You know I tried to do that day one, and how much I flip flopped on who I was going to track.

I actually asked johoono about that pre-game, so that I could lay a trap for any fake claims, if needed. It didn't really work out that way because of the mass claim, but it was worth the effort.

Actually, I'm quite pleased with the way my play in this game turned out - no hard feelings, eh xyzzy?

[Mr. Flay]

If anything, it was my genuine suspicion of him that hindered my attempt to get YOU lynched.

I think this is right, actually. You were blinded to the fact that, from a pro-town perspective, OGML was the next best thing to confirmed (even though we didn't know xyzzy was a one-shot, bussing him would have been overkill and counter-productive).

Still, you definitely did a better job than your predecessor.