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[Carcalilly]

so IF you really are the role you claim don't waste your time checking him. Take my advice. Don't regret it.

[Carcalilly]

That was how long ago?

[Carcalilly]

I'm not gonna paint push you as scum as much as I want to because I'm really not sure myself, but you REALLY need to gtfo gamma.

[Carcalilly]

If you are SERIOUSLY doubting he's a mason, than what am I to you?

[Carcalilly]

How are wagon's splitting you two up?

[Carcalilly]

Well I didn't want to personally, but JJD caught on, probably jokingly, and gamma just decided to confirm it.

Look back at every single time I mention gamma and tell me again that I joined this on a whim.

[Carcalilly]

How are wagon's splitting you two up?

Not like that, like they’re trying to split us away and keep us as like a “scummy duo” so we can’t pop off.

People scumreading you does not inhibit YOUR play in any way. Only the perception of others.

[Carcalilly]

As much as I want to defend you more elements, I'm just not sure enough to put it up.

[Carcalilly]

how in the holy fuck would we coordinate that if we weren't??
Honestly I feel like right now you're just being stubborn with your beliefs

And, I'm not going to invalid your point of view on gamma's "case" because that's perfectly valid, I'm just slightly alarmed at how defensive you are now and (less so) with cliff.

[Carcalilly]

..... and is there a downside?

[Carcalilly]

I honestly have never been so confused on how to take a reaction or situation

[Carcalilly]

This is the most serious you've been all game, most of your posts we're either silly or some form of meta

pedit: speaking of meta.......

[Carcalilly]

unofficial vc

Elements(5): Hopkirk, Rick Dalton, Cliff Booth, Titus, Sharon Tate
Rick Dalton(3): Elements, Gamma Emerald, AaronFrost
Cliff Booth(3): Carcalilly, Hectic, Billy Pilgrim
Tchill(2): Garmr, YOUAREGREAT
KOP(1): bob3141
Hectic(1): Profii
Billy Pilgrim(1): KOP
Davesaz(1): EeveeLution Army

Not voting: Davesaz, Tchill, Judge Joseph Dredd

I think i missed smth why so many people on elements

I was surprised as well

[Carcalilly]

Do you always brag about your carried games, FL?

[Carcalilly]

Juuuuust wanna make sure it's not AI for you before I go and make accusations.

[Carcalilly]

So you're that dependant on confirmed information?

[Carcalilly]

I can brag too. It doesnt exactly show your alignment.

But when you do it in a way that attempts to justify all your behavior........

[Carcalilly]

"Hey you know this thing you called me out on? I did it in this game that I was town and look, I won."

It might just be me being a stickler for keeping things in-game because I believe all interactions have an interior purpose. I have never played two games that were alike so I assume people haven't either.

[Carcalilly]

So you're that dependant on confirmed information?

Me? I don’t care at all about stuff like that.

I just know I’d be able to pull of crazy out there scum plays like butter, so not gonna pretend other scum players can’t.

I’m not a mechanical player, I’m a social player. I like to focus on dayplay.

Then why are you using the "day 1" excuse? It implies that you need more information post-night-action to take the game seriously.

[Carcalilly]

I.... Don't think he was trying to CC, I think it was just a claim, which is odd to see so early in a wagon but ok

[Carcalilly]

I guess it can make sense if you're trying to set an established meta for yourself.

I don’t need to establish a meta for myself.

I feel like I’m one of the players who’s played in the most games around these parts here, so my meta speaks for itself.

I’m also great at manipulating meta, though, so that’s another reason why gamma’s application is weak.

My scum games don’t look the same. My town games don’t look the same.

I do things as scum because i do them as town, and I constantly am adapting my scum game.

Also, Gamma always incorrectly reads me early game so he should know by this point that’s a weak reasoning.

Town/town we usually eventually end up on the same path, but generally like Day 3.

"Hey guys here's how to read me"
"But I'm different every time"

Do you understand why you're making us anxious?

[Carcalilly]

You made a case that you could just state in a simple discussion thread when it didn’t even apply here

you kinda do the same thing a lot too tho lol

[Carcalilly]

Jesus Christ this is a mess

[Carcalilly]

you know, at my age, that amount of time passing has a pretty big difference in maturity and capability

[Carcalilly]

fuck meta right now man

FL, in plain terms, you're being scummy. You can tell us all it's not AI scummy and we can believe it. Everyone has that bit of gross to them, moreso than others. But in a regular game of mafia with content to this game and this thread alone, you do not look good.

[Carcalilly]

fuck meta right now man

FL, in plain terms, you're being scummy. You can tell us all it's not AI scummy and we can believe it. Everyone has that bit of gross to them, moreso than others. But in a regular game of mafia with content to this game and this thread alone, you do not look good.

Now, sure.

Previously, no, I wasn’t.

And that’s what I’m referring. I don’t care what you think of my play now, I was not being scummy prior. I was being clear with my thoughts and everything.

Even if you thought i was scum previously, i wasn’t being scummy. This is a cop out of a post.

Did I say "you were being scummy"?

Gamma is squeezing a reaction out of you and that's what I'm reading right now.

[Carcalilly]

garmr's shrug off of this being T vs T seems nice

[Carcalilly]

you guys are both like stubborn dads that want to prove a point so they stick onto a ridiculous point and defend it past it's threshold

[Carcalilly]

I don't think elements is scum. They're not particularly townie either but they're leaning on the better side of null. What's up with all those votes anyway?

[Carcalilly]

Elements(5): Hopkirk, Rick Dalton, Cliff Booth, Titus, Sharon Tate

Most bland vote is Tate's.
If I remember, Cliff and Kirk had one of those long quotation-base cases.

What do you find interesting, Titus?

[Carcalilly]

I really do want to take gammas side on this but some of the stuff you say is so blatantly scummy and/or straightforward no scum in their right mindset would do it. Literally the only thing making me doubt this.

[Carcalilly]

And let me stop you before anyone mentions WIFOM because all it does is confuse things.

[Carcalilly]

Titus, where are you going with this? :S

[Carcalilly]

It was a confusing question lol

[Carcalilly]

what's going on

[Carcalilly]

aww we're gonna end up lynching elements today aren't we?

I don't wanna

[Carcalilly]

Jesus Christ how buff does the scumteam have to be to have this many prs

[Carcalilly]

does anyone have a cc :/

[Carcalilly]

Everyone's coordination is such ass right now and it hurts to see.

Fundamentally... I don't believe Element's watcher claim but I want to lynch cliff first.

[Carcalilly]

Tchill vote cliff with me and I'll postpone casing you to do a re-eval on elements because that claim is punching me hard in the gut rn.

[Carcalilly]

the Aaron wagon is like a fucking roosterfoster premium free trial

[Carcalilly]

if Tchill is scum and we don't lynch him today I want to wring as much out of him as I can tomorrow, given I'm not fucking dead

[Carcalilly]

skellen had two (2) posts and if you can tell she was scum off of that alone then hats off to you, you're a mafia God, but I don't believe that's the case here.

[Carcalilly]

Honestly cliff is my version of a compromise deadline-upcoming lynch which is a lot better than this one right now

[Carcalilly]

In the case that Aaron flips town what does that give us to go off on day2? jack shit.

Maybe I'm biased with cliff because if he does flip town at least we have some interactions to consider (especially when it comes to elements which I really need right now)

[Carcalilly]

unless you're all confident that we've hit the scumpot, and if y'all graciously do and he flips scum, I'd love an proper explanation of his abundant 20 posts and what made it so obvious

[Carcalilly]

Maybe I'm selfish but a cliff flip will determine elements in my mind.
It's a very faulty theory but whatever. If it doesn't actually work we'll figure it out.

Idk about you all but I personally get insight on elements and Dalton with a cliff flip. Please tell me the benefit of Aaron specifically eating the rope today besides "we have to get a lynch down and there's a minor chance of hitting scum" because that counts for EVERYONE.

[Carcalilly]

1780 was unnecessarily snarky, don't you think?

[Carcalilly]

I might be majorly sheeping titus' last few posts and I'm going to roll with this if cliff doesn't get his ass here as soon as he can

[Carcalilly]

Yes, considering the context of the situation.

[Carcalilly]

feel free to follow in his footsteps if you do desire

[Carcalilly]

Carcalilly, when did you start scum reading me and why?

as soon as you claimed. It looks fake as fuck.

I'm not 100% sure which is why I still want to lynch cliff

[Carcalilly]

skellen had two (2) posts and if you can tell she was scum off of that alone then hats off to you, you're a mafia God, but I don't believe that's the case here.

I am voting Aaron because of AARON'S ACTIONS. I was only correcting you as it seemed you thought he replaced roster.

That's seems to be only a significant development within the past day. You've mentioned only once before, very blandly next to a bunch of other low-actives. Mind giving me actual reasons?

[Carcalilly]

Carcalilly, when did you start scum reading me and why?

as soon as you claimed. It looks fake as fuck.

I'm not 100% sure which is why I still want to lynch cliff

What about it seems fake??

Actually, question. You're just a watcher? No role modifiers?

Primarily your "crumbs" were settled in two posts where a bazillion other roles were also mentioned, and setup spec. I'm pretty sure even scum could set down a better crumb system than that if they committed to something in the begining.

[Carcalilly]

I'm going on a theory that Elements and Cliff have opposite alignments.

[Carcalilly]

And with a little bit of knowledge from my own role, "watcher" is just so plain, easy to be thought of on the top of your head, and overtly valuable/powerful enough to deter a lynch. In retrospect its the perfect fakeclaim for a self-save, and JUST that.

I'd imagine that you'd have a little bit of personal "who should I watch" leaking from your posts, intentional or not, but none. Nada.

[Carcalilly]

My plan is lynch cliff -> lynch elements if cliff flips green -> lunch tchill

[Carcalilly]

Also, why are people assuming that Watcher = town without questioning the possibility of scum Watcher?

I asked for role modifiers

Also why the fuck claim scum

[Carcalilly]

Dalton, awaken from your hypnotic infatuation and vote cliff with me

[Carcalilly]

If I organize something to try to validate the watcher claim, would you be willing to go with me on it, Elements?

[Carcalilly]

nah watcher is equally a scumclaim as doctor is to me, eevee

[Carcalilly]

.... macho?

why didn't you include he modifiers in your original claim?

[Carcalilly]

Tchill, quit bussing

[Carcalilly]

Dalton, awaken from your hypnotic infatuation and vote cliff with me

Elements was pushing Cliff. The wagon on Cliff early was terrible and indicative of townCliff.

Also, we push Cliff, he claims another PR.

This is how I got you and Tchill in that one game, by not allowing any more claims to come through the game because that’s what scum wants, that’s why scum fake claim.

Hypothetically if you were town yourself, do you think elements flipping green would indicate anything about cliff?

[Carcalilly]

My plan is lynch cliff -> lynch elements if cliff flips green -> lunch tchill

lunch? idk. Depends where you want to go.

I didn't.... *Sigh* I guess maybe after the game. Arby's?

[Carcalilly]

That’s a scum slip by Carcalilly probably, and they aren’t associated at all in my mind.

first of all what the hell do you mean and second of all, I don't have the phone battery power to argue my stance right now so if you want to try something with me, wait until tomorrow. Thanks.

[Carcalilly]

I didn't know what macho did until I checked it on the wiki just now. I thought it was some strange flavor thing that I didn't understand.

JUST NOW?! YOU DIDNT CHECK WHEN IT WAS IN YOUR ROLE PM???

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: elements

Jesus Christ that blew it

[Carcalilly]

.... macho?

why didn't you include he modifiers in your original claim?

Why the fuck would anyone tell scum to shoot them on N1?? Cuz that's what Macho is... an invitation to shot.

On the other hand, what is this "might be" thing?? He was either told it was 1-shot or he wasn't!

If you’re forced to claim because you’re about to be lynched you should claim your whole role :/

[Carcalilly]

If it’s a red flip then I very sadly have to say I was wrong about cliff

Which I don’t look forward to doing but hey... I haven’t played in a while

[Carcalilly]

hey tchill who are your scum buddies? :,>

[Carcalilly]

No. It wasn't

[Carcalilly]

;____;

[Carcalilly]

I'm not gonna apologize.... I had valid reasons...

[Carcalilly]

if elements flips scum I'm sorry

[Carcalilly]

GAMMA NOOOOO

FUCKKK

[Carcalilly]

VLA tmo afternoon at the earliest. Surgery.

I hope it goes well, take care of yourself Titus

[Carcalilly]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Dave can you not subtly shit on garmr like this,, I'm pretty confident he's town atm.

[Carcalilly]

The doctor is a rather awkward position now.

whoever it is I know they did the best they could, honestly a really close call. I wouldn't have expected it to be gamma in all honesty

Well, at least I hope he gets some time to recuperate

[Carcalilly]

Also, Gamma/Carca....

Next time, PLAY ALONG WITH ME. Sorry, that aggravated me.

You were claimed Masons, and I was literally giving you guys a way to backtrack your claim in a believable fashion, but you INSISTED on being outed Masons Day 1.

The entire interaction was sus and it may be just because I'm really dense and can't read hints but I really thought you were antagonizing us.

I'm a fucking dead man

[Carcalilly]

I am a Role Cop and I confirm Rick Dalton is a Doctor. (I dunno about Loyal, but I guess I get the role without the modifiers??)

the fuck is this

[Carcalilly]

There is a chance Rick Dalton is scum

I'm really hoping this isn't the case



Unrelated, but I kinda wish elements could've executed the claim a little better than he did and maybe I wouldn't have changed my mind. But in the moment it did make a lot of sense.

[Carcalilly]

@texcat
My fave part was pages 40-50 when cliff tore elements a new asshole

I like you

[Carcalilly]

Rick do I townread you

finally. finally....

[Carcalilly]

Wow that was a really long night
VOTE: tchill

VOTE: cliff

I'm gonna have to wait until later this weekend but I can only case one of you. I want to do both equally. Who will it be?

[Carcalilly]

and sorry if I get kind of sloppy, the conftown burden is real

[Carcalilly]

Good to hear that it ended up okay, Titus! <3

[Carcalilly]

I just realized something.

@Garmr

this is really important.

I was your target, correct?

[Carcalilly]

because you're the alternate wagon

[Carcalilly]

I either just caught a white lie or a mod error.

[Carcalilly]

Deadass

[Carcalilly]

is this fucking role madness?

it's fine, it would've been fun honestly
good thing out no longer have to waste your time though

[Carcalilly]

I'm screaming in my now lonley PT because I NEED to know if Garmr targeted me. Waiting is going to kill me.

[Carcalilly]

also maybe I'm just blind but can you show me how people knew you were a mason

we claimed and I inexplicably had gamma in my townblock the entire game.

[Carcalilly]

isn't that like really risky and unnecessary under low pressure to claim

jjd made a jokey guess post and gamma wanted to "bluff" on it but kinda failed it's bluff nature and became a real claim

[Carcalilly]

no other roles were on carralily.

Do you have a role modifiers?

@LUV this isn't an oversight on your part? I just want to be sure...

[Carcalilly]

only compared to you almighty Titus

[Carcalilly]

It wasn't so much sarcasm as it was minor admiration but, uh, hah...

Why would garmr lie about watching me though?

[Carcalilly]

that's true... But in this case it's relevant to the validity of the claim

and yes, and if I need help I'll call you?

[Carcalilly]

oooh..... it’s dalton

[Carcalilly]

If this town let’s them continue with that nonsense it will result in a loss.

says the guy pushing a PL on me.

hypocrite.

Policy? I’m not pushing any policy on you. What even gives you that idea? I’m voting you because your vote hopping was scummy as heck.

good turkey

[Carcalilly]

No, I know how it works.

[Carcalilly]

I just realized something.

@Garmr

this is really important.

I was your target, correct?

Yeah you were my target.

Your action should have failed.

[Carcalilly]

why don't more people want to lynch me today

I can help change that, if you want.

[Carcalilly]

jjd why the fuck do you have to constantly roleclaim for me? This is the second time. If you notice shit like that maybe dont be all loud about it

[Carcalilly]

I'm pretty sure scum would night target a confirmed town anyway, and what's the point of letting any doctor waste a night protecting me when they could actually have a chance with someone else? Literally no point of me keeping it a secret.

[Carcalilly]

I'm pretty sure there are a good amount of other roles that can fail a voyeur. I could've tried to pull bullshit if you didn't do that. Sure maybe it wouldn't work but who would it hurt?

[Carcalilly]

Say it was a mod error- the claim is still out there. I do not want to be protected. Thank you doctor for the consideration, I love you, and there's no way you could've known. It's my fault, not yours.

[Carcalilly]

If scum made the decision to kill Gamma last night then I'm 99.9% sure that I was already the next choice by default. What I said doesn't change much besides doc, you've got better chances now!

[Carcalilly]

I'm pretty sure scum would night target a confirmed town anyway, and what's the point of letting any doctor waste a night protecting me when they could actually have a chance with someone else? Literally no point of me keeping it a secret.

The point is.. if I was scum and I did NOT know you were Ascetic I would suspect the Doctor must be on you, so I would NOT try to shoot you. You are an IC now (a single Mason is by definition an Innocent Child) so why make such a suicidal move? I guess it's probably a playstyle thing maybe.

Yes but what if the doctor actually DOES attempt a save? Isn't it kind of a waste?

But at least you all don't have to worry about the NK. I'll try to work extra hard in the next few weeks on this game and I expect a solid effort from everyone.

Tchill is bad but by no means should we just quicklynch him.

Tchill, who are your scumbuddies?

[Carcalilly]

why don't more people want to lynch me today

I can help change that, if you want.

I said I was sorry for saying I was going to destroy you

I've been considering letting you off the hook. Really depends on how I feel in the next few days. Better step yourself up.

[Carcalilly]

Carcalilly’s not actually a mason. She’s covering for Gamma’s real mason partner to draw the no.

lol I was about to ask you how you felt about that

[Carcalilly]

I just realized something.

@Garmr

this is really important.

I was your target, correct?

Yeah you were my target.

Your action should have failed.

I lied about the doc so you wouldn't get night killed but I didn't get a fail through I got no result implying that the action went through and no one was there.

...no, no. No result means failure.
garmr why would you lie to me :'(

[Carcalilly]

Also carra should of claimed ascetic because she wasted my ability.

some people are telling me I should have claimed and others are telling me I shouldn't have

But day 1 claiming Ascetic would have been cancer to me. Sorry about that garmr, it was an act of self preservation

[Carcalilly]

I'm very concerned about garmr don't get me wrong but I think he was trying to pull a gimmick.

For future game references, if we don't have a PT, don't try shit with me, I'll take it literally.

Was Hectic replaced?
Also I really, really want to see a Cliff vs Dalton.

[Carcalilly]

In my nightmares I see myself and the rest of town too stubborn to lynch scum!Dalton because even though he's scummily glazing by, it's not "scum indicative for him" or some shit.

[Carcalilly]

Cliff. Now that elements had flipped town, what do you think the motives of their actions were?

[Carcalilly]

Dalton, do you keep Cliff in your townblock? Is it for the gimmick or do you have an intricate reason?
And I'm going to assume your joking about the mason shit, but like it or not, I'm conftown for today.

[Carcalilly]

Tchill. Based on your interactions yesterday, what do you think was your best vote? Would you like to openly admit being opportunistic or explain your seemingly baseless sheeping?

[Carcalilly]

In my nightmares I see myself and the rest of town too stubborn to lynch scum!Dalton because even though he's scummily glazing by, it's not "scum indicative for him" or some shit.

To be fair, Rick’s actions thus far are par for the course. If we have a vig he or she should just kill Rick.

Exactly why I am having anxieties right now

[Carcalilly]

@Carca: I swear I am not acting up. This is a mere friendly advice and nothing more: On D1 you claim Ascetic but NOT Masons. You don't put your Mason buddy at the top of your reads list if you have no in-thread reason to support/justify the read. Of course, that is unless you Mason buddy is FL or me, because we will claim it and nobody would believe us.

Just because you've been playing for a long time and you're smart and can pick up every blatant hint I drop doesn't mean scum will get it with similar clarity.
I know it's optimistic of me to hope for scum ignorance and attention deficit, but what do I know about the scum team? What do you know about the scum team?

[Carcalilly]

In my nightmares I see myself and the rest of town too stubborn to lynch scum!Dalton because even though he's scummily glazing by, it's not "scum indicative for him" or some shit.

To be fair, Rick’s actions thus far are par for the course. If we have a vig he or she should just kill Rick.

Exactly why I am having anxieties right now

I think there’s a high likelihood for a vig or an SK given the size of this game. Our prayers may be answered yet.

If that's the case, last night tells us our vig is either limited-shot or timid as fuck.

[Carcalilly]

These replacements are healing my soul and hope for the game. Thank you.

[Carcalilly]

hey jjd wanna play a game

[Carcalilly]

garmr, how much did you actually think about this gimmick before you did it?

[Carcalilly]

I think you forgot about the Friendly Neighbor part.

hi. you were graciously saved. Who do you think is scum?

[Carcalilly]

hey jjd wanna play a game

Sure. I LOVE games

It's an action adventure game called "Catch the scum". You get to choose your starter weapon.

The "townizer" makes it so that you quit your silly murking and allow yourself to be readable.
Alternativley, you can refuse that weapon and obtain the "mirror" and instantly win the game because you've found scum.

[Carcalilly]

I think you forgot about the Friendly Neighbor part.

hi. you were graciously saved. Who do you think is scum?

I appreciate it o gracious one.

I'll have to get back to you on that later though as I need to head to work now.

Looking forward to it, soldier o7

[Carcalilly]

garmr, how much did you actually think about this gimmick before you did it?

Obviously not enough since I thought no result means no one visited (someone should fix this on sight.) So I thought there would be no doctor in the game to claim. I didn't think you were ascetic.

mistakes were made. I won't put it too heavily against you despite the fact that I probably should and could.

[Carcalilly]

Can we have "you are great back" over texcat.

Is this because you think texcat is playing badly or do you just want them off your ass?

[Carcalilly]

silly chilly I'm conftown, got anything else that might be insightful?

[Carcalilly]

who'd ya protect Dalton

[Carcalilly]

You sure you aren't joking? cuz' I thought you thought I was bullshitting the whole mason thing.

[Carcalilly]

And if you're all hypothetically telling the truth, Garmr somehow predicted this happenstance, and turned it into a blind gimmick. That's wild.

[Carcalilly]

Also, Cliff is a PR, get off of him. I already secretly claimed what he was because apparently I’m next level, and I see and pick up on things people don’t.

so you're super-duper-absolutely-mega sure cliff is town?

[Carcalilly]

hey tchill mind explaining why your posts are almost as useless and redundant as rvs?

[Carcalilly]

The rooster thing is more food for thought than anything else. Something to watched incase it becomes actionable.

I look at things the other way around. I look at wagons then see how players interacted with them. As every wagon is likely to have both scum and town on them. But seeing how they all bounce around i find is more telling.

Its my form of analysis. Every time ive used it it always flags up scum everytime. Always cuts under the fluff, though its not exactly quick. Finds scum even when there vote at first appearance would look townie

Nice insight, game specifics? If you already have sorry for being redundant

[Carcalilly]

This game, of course

[Carcalilly]

Just asking what do you guys think Texcat Scum or Brain dead town. Pretty much your only options here.

I don't know why you're so adamant about this
Out of all 6 of their posts the latest one doesn't make grammatical sense to me but that's literally all I have to say about them atm.

[Carcalilly]

the fuck going on

[Carcalilly]

I.. ummm..

May I suggest reading the game thread?

[Carcalilly]

TCHILL get your ass here with an excuse that better please the gods

[Carcalilly]

okok, glad your back anyway :>

[Carcalilly]

Carca asked me some things that I am too tired to answer right now. ~18 hours or so sound good?

late answer is better than no answer

[Carcalilly]

I
~Dick

I found this waaaaay funnier than I should have :'/

[Carcalilly]

TCHILL get your ass here with an excuse that better please the gods

tf do you want me to say?

Particularly, I want you to explain:

1. Why you seem to be putting 0 effort in solving the game
2. Why you're constantly lurking (even if you're just busy you could at least tell us all)
3. Why you don't bother to back up any of your statements

your presence in this game became a strange kind of downwards spiral

[Carcalilly]

Dalton, was the stance change fully due to the flip or something else? Or did you townread me from the beginning, and the whole "I don't believe you" thing was just to be a pain in the ass?

[Carcalilly]

On a serious note, from what I have gathered, I think I essentially have negative town utility

Quit making me want to lynch you

[Carcalilly]

Aaron is a nice balance between goofy and insightful although I sometimes forget about his presence in this game

sorry pal

[Carcalilly]

Why are you asking me? There probably are some other reasons but getting him to answer the bare minimum would at least be something.

[Carcalilly]

So, I guess it's time for a partial mass claim: Everybody please claim whether your role allows you to give a fuck or not.

when have I ever given a fuck?

[Carcalilly]

heehee the turkey replaced the chicken I just realized

[Carcalilly]

I blame cliff
VOTE: cliff booth

[Carcalilly]

Eevee wagon is worse than Tchill wagon

[Carcalilly]

Hmm. I can see that.

We are somewhat confident a doctor or jker exists because of one kill.

If its doctor they should be on mason

why are you directing any protective onto a claimed aesthetic mason?

Probably just missed it

[Carcalilly]

flirting is my weakness, I'll hop into anyone's pocket given enough positive attention :'(

[Carcalilly]

Ok, I'll be the IC or I'll get a guilty on a claimed vanilla cop. Check me I'm a VT.

No one else claim VT. Jailer can be on me to keep me alive. I'm not going anywhere. Although if there's a possibility that scum have a watcher maybe don't be on me.

If you weren't town before you sure are now. Thanks for taking the step up

[Carcalilly]

I don't know why I'm willing to let Tchill temporarily off my radar until I can case him like he deserves, but I guess it'll happen for a bit

[Carcalilly]

I didnt realize the mason and the ascetic claim were one in the same

And it's understandable how you didn't, because gamma claimed mason for me and jjd claimed Ascetic for me. I hardly got to hardclaim shit for myself

[Carcalilly]

Are you trying to say she's a sk

[Carcalilly]

What if I try to avoid death by being so fun to play with that scum wouldn't want to kill me

[Carcalilly]

read the middle line. That does not look right for town

ok but why would scum say that

[Carcalilly]

Are you trying to say she's a sk

Sk or scum in a team that know there's another scum team. He killed Gamma. he's just not sure if a Doc/JK blocked the other kill or if the other team also shot Gamma. Like, if he had shot someone

other than Gamma

he would be certain there's a Doc/JK, wouldn't he? Because his own kill failed. But because he shot a claimed Mason he doesn't know whether "they" shot someone else or they ended up shooting the same Mason he/his team shot.

Are you kidding me? She said "somewhat confident". In what world does that translate to "certain"?

[Carcalilly]

Disclaimer: I apologize if Evee is a she. I don't see a pronoun.

P-edit: WHY would s/he be confident with any degree at all if s/he had considered single ball? The fact that s/he is "somewhat confident" there should have been 2 kills means she knows there's another killing source in the game.

I don't know either, it was my assumption.

OR... Like MANY another people have mentioned before, "a game of this size might have 2 night kill opportunities"

[Carcalilly]

read the middle line. That does not look right for town

ok but why would scum say that

They certainly wouldnt say it intentionally

Pretty sure if scum's kill was blocked they'd already be all over it in their daychat, and clear to never mention or even fathom that a doctor exists.

[Carcalilly]

This kind of shit you're piling on them is so similar in nature to the elements lynch. You're acting as if it's a scumslip and I really don't get it

I already looked at Eevee myself and sure it may be a few weeks outdated but Eevee didn't change so why should my opinion?

[Carcalilly]

OK, but were you at all "somewhat confident"??

No because I think that 1 nightkill is totally normal for a large game- but if you're already under the assumption- I guess I'd think so too

[Carcalilly]

If there arent 2 possible kill outlets than scum must be stupidly stacked

They are. The town PRs basically confirm it.

[Carcalilly]

please refer me to a normal game duo-killing faction setup where they're aware of each other's existence

[Carcalilly]

Why haven't I ever seriously considered your placement in this game, jjd?

[Carcalilly]

Eve looking again through your iso so much of it just looks like fluff.

If you are town give us some of your thoughts. Any analysis you have come up with

hey wanna read my entire case on Eevee fluffing? And their response?

[Carcalilly]

if "we" isn't a pronoun town uses I'd like to direct you to the 103 "we" I found in my own iso.

[Carcalilly]

I'm probably overstepping my defense but the problem is that I won't be alive tomorrow for the "I told you so" when Eevee flips probtown

[Carcalilly]

so whatever, it's such an easy push/lynch....

[Carcalilly]

ok ok ok fine whatever

[Carcalilly]

I'm using my conftown status to overstep and it's kinda nice tbh

[Carcalilly]

Eevee wagon is worse than Tchill wagon

Is it Rick? And if not, then what's concerning you about it?

Eevee is an equally lazy push that seems more genuine
But I guess it has some merit, far from enough for me to support it though

[Carcalilly]

Anyone else want to say something stupidly incriminating for everyone to easily jump on?

[Carcalilly]

Thanks boo

[Carcalilly]

why the fuck do you two always happen to post at 3 in the morning for me?

[Carcalilly]

Sorry, Cliff, I though you did, but turns out someone else claimed for you. I blame them.

VOTE: Rick dalton

[Carcalilly]

@Carcapretty - Why is Eevee a lazy push? I think we have rather strong reasons to believe she’s scum. The multiple kill outlet feels like she knew that there was a missed kill somewhere, and then she tried to hide the fact subtly with a cover up question and tried to play dumb about it, which she seems to now be backtracking off of.

Also, when we came to the creation of the Neapolitan-VT plan, she was trying to stop that from happening.

Eevee scum heavily implies Cliff-Billy town as well, just through that alone.

Because Eevee, throughout this entire game, has

always

had an awkward demeanor disadvantage that goes against what most people on this site has. The way they worded their stuff you all might see as a scum-backminded sort but it just fits the way they've been talking the whole time.
A lot of off-site mafia games are more casual-minded than mafscum so I feel like the fluff they've got on might be residue from that.
I know it seems like I'm pulling stuff out of my ass but I was the first one on Eevee extensivly, I believe. You all have valid reasons but I have to adamantly disagree-- I'll stop tryin to detail the wagon but I still get the obligatory I told you so Incase they flip.

Also, quit flattering me, I'm trying to push you here.

[Carcalilly]

And I'm pretty sure they're not the only one to mention an alternative killing faction. I'm too lazy to look it up right now, though.

[Carcalilly]

Oh, Carcalilly is probably defending her scum buddy, because she’s super obv scum.

don't make me fucking eat you alive, son

[Carcalilly]

hey cliff, you sure partnering with Dalton will do you good here?

[Carcalilly]

Why are those the only options?

[Carcalilly]

What do you think of Billy's VT claim?

[Carcalilly]

What do you think of Billy's VT claim?

I can see it as an opportunistic claim from mafia but it would put them in an extremely bad situation unless scum has a way to stop nea. If he is vt idt we should lynch him but its a tough call

this makes 0 sense.

[Carcalilly]

As policy? Maybe. But I kind of want to try to hit scum.

[Carcalilly]

billy you're being kind of weird with your voting rn

[Carcalilly]

Hmm, do you think that the interactions between your scumreads indicate them being on a team? Does their relation effect your reads in any way?

The slowdown is kinda fixed for me :'>

[Carcalilly]

hopkirk your stance on the Tex slot is weird ngl

[Carcalilly]

HOLD ON WAIT WE HAVE 7 DAYS LEFT
Please practice caution on voting Tchill

Do we really need this right now??

[Carcalilly]

This game is calling me but I'm also kind of busy. Does someone want to offer being my new mason partner and help me solve this game?

[Carcalilly]

I get the desire for an extension but it looks like we're closing in on a quicklynch

And despite my raging suspicion for Tchill I'm not throwing away the rest of the day to lynch him

[Carcalilly]

hahahahahaha y'all actually trying to lunch half way into the day what the fuck

[Carcalilly]

I might be selfish for wanting the day to drag on because I'm a full dead tomorrow

but I like how nobody unvoted yet. Maybe it's too early but still.

[Carcalilly]

I'm inclined to believe garmr because of gamma.

I'm also now worried about jjd, oddly.

[Carcalilly]

So we now have 2 inspection role claims.

But garmr said he was just trying to wifom the scum / mason situation right?

I'm less inclined to believe that claim

My thoughts exactly, although my information on the mailman interaction is somewhat minimal. Garmr, what did gamma actually ask you? ^^;

[Carcalilly]

y'all need to calm your balls and a lot of your wagon Tchill is non-blatand opportunism.

I still think you might be scum but fuck, not enough to support some of these people on you.