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[JacksonVirgo]

Howdy currently in hospital but I’ll get to catching up ASAP. I got to like page 35 I think during the night

[JacksonVirgo]

This is possibly LyLo so I’m not gonna vote rn but from pages up to 30 Titus is on my SR list

[JacksonVirgo]

Second would be lucky though I haven’t got up to the bit where puppy replaced out and lucky back in

Of course not voting yet

[JacksonVirgo]

Titus is literally an innocent child.

Oh? Alright

[JacksonVirgo]

We're in 3v1v1.

Alright so we are in lylo

[JacksonVirgo]

The flips pretty much confirm A50 as the final mafia. If he's town, then mafia chose to double bus Drew over eliminating Manatee, who we now know is town, D1. It also explains why Nahdia's WIM drastically dropped after the Drew elimination. She was playing the game solo. I don't think she'd be so demotivated if the two main wagons {Wake, Cakez}, were both town. Instead she had a wagon on her teammate, and a wagon on town that was painted such that if he's town, she's gotta be scum.

So who is SK between Fwog (JV) and Norwegian? I'm going to look back into Cakez's case against Norwegian in a bit.

Can I ask why A50 is confirmed mafia or whatever

[JacksonVirgo]

This is possibly LyLo so I’m not gonna vote rn but from pages up to 30 Titus is on my SR list

Lamest fake slip I have ever seen in quite a while.

And with SC gone I am left with no TRs (except for Titus, of course).

In fact, I feel like Terminating JV still for that fake slip.

What do you mean fake-slip?

[JacksonVirgo]

I wasn't sure between a vigilante/3p killer or a 2KPN mafia. But I read the graveyard and all that

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean obviously not a 2KPN mafia now, but my thoughts during the night was that

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm writing this during the night since well the thread is locked, jumping into a game this later in the game with so many town dead is unfortunate as heck. I'll give the days a quick read over and write my opinions on what I feel is important to reply with my opinion on. Also if I die tonight after replacing this I am definitely going to post this in the dead chat assuming there is one because I'm gonna be super duper salty.

Adorable, I am also in your boat. Replacing into 67 pages is rough.

Spoiler: Pages 1-9

Early on I am reading the initial conversation of LuckyLuciano and bob as a TvS and considering bob died N1 I am going to say as to Post 97 I am reading Lucky as scum. Lucky here is claiming to not be trying until more people pop in the game where actual solid reads can be found early game without even needing to "force" out of RVS. Titus in Post 129 gives me bad vibes originally but may also just be their personality. I remember playing a game with them ages ago but that was ages ago so I don't remember how they play. Titus asking for games for meta-reads seems try-hardy as if they're trying to be seen as Town without giving much effort at all. "Guys post your game links so I can meta-read you and not produce any actual content on the actual games happenings".

In 152 this is a worse excuse than looking for meta-reading. Why would town ever need to analyze someones strenths/weaknesses, that's a scum thing to do to gauge possible threats.

Post 159. After claiming they think meta reads are dumb, goes to say that if they were to produce on on Drew would they scum-read them. What?

Suspicions on Titus and LuckyLuciano

Spoiler: Pages 10-19

@Umlaut I know you're dead but I finally brained of what your avi reminds me of. Sour worm lollies. Epic

Small scum gutping from Post 261 but nothing too serious. Lucky's large posts here make me town-lean them slightly than previously but my eye is still seriously on them considering. In seriousness though I am finding it hard to focus on these pages as it's full of fluff.

Post-puppy's entrance the slot looks a lot more townie, am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're a solid town-read at least up to Post 395 (which is where I am up to).

Titus in post 400 seems to wanting to thunderdome specific people which I do not like one bit. Their aggressiveness towards it though may signify a confident townie but I am not entirely sure if that confidence outweighs all the other scummy behaviour I see them doing.

Titus SR. Norweigan SL. Puppy TL

Spoiler: Posts 20-29

I keep bringing up titus so I feel I may be somewhat biased somehow by this read, confirmation bias and all that, if so lemme know but post 477 doesn't age well with Drew's flip.

Spoiler: Post 30-39

Losing wim to do this fast, but I shall continue!

[JacksonVirgo]

That's where I got up to before having to rush to the hospital for my girlfriends asthma attack. I'll probably either continue or try to read based on that information and the now and I'm not entirely sure which would be better.

[JacksonVirgo]

Not to demean the effort you've put in, but I recommend starting over, and this time actually reading.

No need for the demeaning attitude, I read what I read.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're thinking diminishing my reads will make me think you're townier you're wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

OH HAHAHA, I missed that ONE line gee golly gosh

[JacksonVirgo]

You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.

The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.

@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?

Wasn't mafia attacked? Why would a 2KPN mafia attack a mafia?

[JacksonVirgo]

You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.

The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.

@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?

Dude. So you're willing to just throw away town's chance of winning to the scum? No, we're voting today.

[JacksonVirgo]

To be more clear on the above: Either scum not hunting for the other is them playing against their own win con (assuming there is a SK and nor a 2-person scum team remaining)

P-edit: We are nopt talking about ONE team with 2 kills (that's absurd). We are talking about TWO TEAMS with a kill each,

Oh, I've never played a game where that is a thing... Sorry

[JacksonVirgo]

You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.

The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.

@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?

Town is in control and you want to cede that control?

It could be them being 3p killer and having a BP so they know that the situation can only get better or the same from here from that perspective (I think?)

[JacksonVirgo]

Err, meant to say that I meant to say 2v1v1 being worst case scenario for SK is pretty ideal for SK. I'm going back to bed.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Final answer? Would you like to call a friend??

Pedit: Why are you so focused on the exact level of my stupidity? How is my intelligence AI?

Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)

IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?

[JacksonVirgo]

Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)

IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?

And here I was thinking ENGLISH was the official language in the Land Down Under

First of all, what. Second of all, what

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm so confused now lol, maybe I am the low IQ dude.

Anywho the recent happenings makes me think Lucky is probably more town than what I read in the first few pages. Though I will be super cautious about this so

Intent to vote Almost50

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes, if it is a 3v2. If I vote and both scum are on they can just hammer.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, you know what? My lynch doesn't hurt the town that much. It just brings the 2-1-1 situation right now, and whichever of you doesn't kill the other loses. The only difference is you can both agree to share the win (which would be lame tbh).

So, let me help you there:

VOTE: A50

What are you even doing?

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude unvote yourself, even if you are town and do have the right logic which I don't think you do hammering now cuts discussion time and I need it to fully get the gist of this game.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, I think I see where your head is at. Alright

[JacksonVirgo]

@JV: What's taking you so long? Come vote me

Actually, I think I see where your head is at. Alright

Do I vote you?

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not 100% confident we have the same mind-set so I will probably not go with what I was planning on doing as it's too risky especially if I had a brainfart somewhere.

I was personally thinking you were trying to bait a scum hammer so that we can lynch that tomorrow assuming at least one scum kills the other again. I was gonna vote there to bait further into that although considering we may just outright lose if town is lynched and scum don't hit scum I think that play is the wrong course and we should instead try to lynch scum. This is assuming Almost is town which is possibly not even the case.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.

So we were thinking the same thing? Give me a second to think

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.

That would be the case assuming two non-bp scum roles alive right now. But even assuming just one of the scum is BP it wouldn't work how you're seeing and I'd rather not leave this to chance. Assuming there's a mafia and a 3p (with the 3p being BP) and assuming that you're Town.

I think your logic is ignoring the fact that it's probably safer to just push into a kingmaker scenario as scum than risk just outright losing. Scum could just decide to have the hammering scum attack the IC and the other shooting a random town that isn't the hammerer to push to either a 2v1v1 or a 1v1v1. Even if scum is "scared" that a town hammered to fool, they could just both attack the IC to force a 2v1v1.

Pushing this to chance is not ideal but I can see the benefit in the risk, not entirely sure if it's worth going for though.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh did I did a stupid? I'll read that soon

[JacksonVirgo]

Bro I am not convinced you're not the mafia here.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna have to read a lot more so be patient with me fam, replacing into a lot of pages is time consuming to catch up on

[JacksonVirgo]

We should not act hastily. EE snd I are still on VLA.

Only one that's being hasty is 50

[JacksonVirgo]

I am not saying I'm not considering LL, they were my SR before day-start. Unsure rn

[JacksonVirgo]

And town in a 3v1 would no lynch into a 2v1.

[JacksonVirgo]

No elimination is dumb

[JacksonVirgo]

No elimination is dumb

Is Nor a possible abbreviation to your name?? No?? Then why the hell are you responding to a question that wasn't directed at you? You've already said your piece about the subject. Now I need to know what Nor/Titus think about it. Thank you very much.

Nah fam I respond to what I want

[JacksonVirgo]

I was just looking through the wiki here and realised that gunsmith ISNT what I thought it was... I thought it was a dude that gave day-vig bullets but noper it's an investigative role. Was a bit confused as to why there was no day-vig kills at all lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Should we mass-claim at this point?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah no I'm not claiming gunsmith

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean mafia already knows my role I assume, I was going to attempt to try and get SK to visit me but like I doubt that would happen if I get lynched.


Wagon wise I am a bit iffy on A50's aggressiveish tone, I'll have to read a bit more when I get time.

A50 is my preference

[JacksonVirgo]

@Javkson Virgo
Why was your intent on lynching A50? What’s your reason for scumreading him?

They seem to be very anti-town by pushing for a no-lynch which is what is very BP-SK sided. I mean if we lynch the SK I think they're town since I doubt mafia would push for that.

[JacksonVirgo]

I am used to BP SK's like in town of salem so if they're like really rare or something let me know

[JacksonVirgo]

I am used to BP SK's like in town of salem so if they're like really rare or something let me know

This is doubly so for my home FM games. (which is the tos forums)

[JacksonVirgo]

Serial killers often are 1shot or permamently bulletproof but sometimes not.

Yeah alright, that's what I assumed. So that's why I would rather an A50 lynch. Do you see what I'm seeing or no?

[JacksonVirgo]

Their self-vote may also be a ballsy way to get town-cred in a stupid way. Since they know town wouldn't hammer and that the mafia would probably vote them. That's a stretch though so maybe ignore that one

[JacksonVirgo]

I do think pushing for no lynch is the most sus thing A50’s done. But do you have any other points for him being SK other than that?

Not really, still gotta read more though

[JacksonVirgo]

I do think pushing for no lynch is the most sus thing A50’s done. But do you have any other points for him being SK other than that?

Not really, still gotta read more though

If A50 is serial killer, which one of LL/me are mafia in your opinion?

I'm not entirely certain, probably LL but I'm not voting yet regardless

[JacksonVirgo]

I would be perfectly willing to compromise with you on LL.

Dude that's hardly a compromise if that's who you want to lynch anyway

[JacksonVirgo]

Don't get so caught up in the details.

Lol I like you

[JacksonVirgo]

Their self-vote may also be a ballsy way to get town-cred in a stupid way. Since they know town wouldn't hammer and that the mafia would probably vote them. That's a stretch though so maybe ignore that one

I agree with this. A50 was arguing out that if scum quickhammers they lose, so he was banking on the other scum not quickhammering him. I get his play as proving that there isn't a 2-person mafia remaining, but we already knew that so it proved nothing in that regard.

It's like faking coming up with new information without coming up with new information, thanks for strengthening my ego

[JacksonVirgo]

Intent to vote A50

[JacksonVirgo]

Going against my townLEAN's reads is not meaning anything. Just because they're a TR doesn't mean their logic is sound nor does it mean that lucky. Either one of LL or EE could be the mafia from what I see but A50 has the biggest SK and overall scum equity from what I can see so I'm going for that.

[JacksonVirgo]

Or in other words. I want to lynch who I am more confident flips scum than risking it between weakly differing reads on the other remaining two (minus titus). Also how is titus still alive if they're a SoD1 IC. Lol

[JacksonVirgo]

But you said you'd vote LL over Nor anyway, so it makes more sense to test that theory of yours today too. In essence you don't mind eliminating BOTH me and LL, so it shouldn't make a difference to Town!You who goes first.

HOWEVER, SK You (which you keep accusing me of being it) does worry, because you would want to eliminate a townie today, shoot the Mafia at night and come back accusing the "other" townie of being the SK and claiming you were wrong and it was A50's fault... etc. etc.

I mean, for me I wouldn't mind voting you or LL, and I made that quite clear. You may also be worried that -with my stance- I won't be siding by you once you've shot Titus, and she won't be siding by you if you shoot me (assuming LL eats rope today). However, eliminating me and you shooting LL may work because Titus already SRs Nor so you've got a good chance in that particular 3-players Elo.

I literally said why I want you dead more than them but the fact you're ignoring that and shading me because I won't drop my read because of your AtE is even more telling.

[JacksonVirgo]

how is titus still alive if they're a SoD1 IC. Lol

There are multiple reasons. Doctors would most likely target there so it's smarter to shoot after more threatening PR's than a confirmed VT. And secondary, this game has a SK so mafia and SK would probably be more busy trying to eliminate each other by this point.

Honestly, the fact that you were acting dumb about something that obvious makes me wonder if you're trying to LAMIST.

Nah it was a genuine question I shoulda just kept to myself

[JacksonVirgo]

The thing is (and here's my trump) I can never win now as SK/Mafia. Why? because EVEN if we eliminate LL/You and shoot the other Nor is not going to vote Titus, and she will suspect something is VERY wrong with that outcome. If I shoot Titus instead, then NOR is going to suspect something is very wrong. If I shoot Nor then one of you/LL is my opponent in LyLo and it still looks shady for me.

Also last night's NK doesn't work with me. I wouldn't shoot DEB even if I knew he was Mafia. He was pocketing me hard, so I would have tried to hunt for his p, and if that failed we would have been in a 2-2-1 today and I could have forced a No Elimination (because town has no chance if an Elimination goes throw in a 2-2-1 situation, so I can then shoot a Mafioso and rely on my BP not to be killed (I'm following your theory of the SK having a BP here) and then we are in either 1-1-1 with my NP still intact (that means I win outright) or 2-1-1 with my BP exhausted (Town are back in it and can force another No Elimination and let it all get sorted at night).

First paragraph - What?
Second paragraph - Nice attempt to slip but not gonna work. I'm an X-shot PGO (not claiming how many shots I have/had) and I am almost certain I softed that incredibly obviously earlier today. I have serious doubts that a VT visited me so the VT was the SK kill.

[JacksonVirgo]

Or no. A PBO. Paranoid Banana Owner lel

[JacksonVirgo]

PGO? Please.
That’s the biggest pile of crap i’ve heard all day.

Except why would I ever just claim that instead of just pushing A50 like I have been and force a 1v1v1 or a 2v1v1.

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean I dont get notified if I shot a dude, I see my misplay here.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes. I would 100% claim PGO here as scum to force myself into a losing scenario.

[JacksonVirgo]

Or maybe you claimed it because you're not BP and want to scare mafia from shooting you.

That play would be questionable but fair

[JacksonVirgo]

Heh, sayonara fam

[JacksonVirgo]

/vote JacksonVirgo

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait lets do this instead.
VOTE: JV

[JacksonVirgo]

Note to self, never do plays when on 0.5 hours sleep

[JacksonVirgo]

Host never told me any information as to who fwog killed even had to ask like 5 times. Responded to other things as well it was complete ass

[JacksonVirgo]

Better to out here than to just lose

[JacksonVirgo]

I was a BP SK. Not a 1-shot

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmfao I do admit that was pretty dumb and hilarious. Don't think that I am just dumb in genera- actually yeah I am. Good luck town I believe in you

[JacksonVirgo]

Can I ask a thing though. Are you supposed to get previous actions from who you replace? I believe you should do and I didn't so eh whatever.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also btw. It was never 3v1v1. It was 2v1v1v1. I'm jester

[JacksonVirgo]

You never saw me replace in, you never saw me