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Oh? AlrightIn post 1655, LuckyLuciano wrote:Titus is literally an innocent child.-
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Alright so we are in lyloIn post 1656, LuckyLuciano wrote:We're in 3v1v1.-
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Can I ask why A50 is confirmed mafia or whateverIn post 1658, LuckyLuciano wrote:The flips pretty much confirm A50 as the final mafia. If he's town, then mafia chose to double bus Drew over eliminating Manatee, who we now know is town, D1. It also explains why Nahdia's WIM drastically dropped after the Drew elimination. She was playing the game solo. I don't think she'd be so demotivated if the two main wagons {Wake, Cakez}, were both town. Instead she had a wagon on her teammate, and a wagon on town that was painted such that if he's town, she's gotta be scum.
So who is SK between Fwog (JV) and Norwegian? I'm going to look back into Cakez's case against Norwegian in a bit.-
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What do you mean fake-slip?In post 1665, Almost50 wrote:
Lamest fake slip I have ever seen in quite a while.In post 1653, JacksonVirgo wrote:This is possibly LyLo so I’m not gonna vote rn but from pages up to 30 Titus is on my SR list
And with SC gone I am left with no TRs (except for Titus, of course).
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I'm writing this during the night since well the thread is locked, jumping into a game this later in the game with so many town dead is unfortunate as heck. I'll give the days a quick read over and write my opinions on what I feel is important to reply with my opinion on. Also if I die tonight after replacing this I am definitely going to post this in the dead chat assuming there is one because I'm gonna be super duper salty.
Adorable, I am also in your boat. Replacing into 67 pages is rough.
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That's where I got up to before having to rush to the hospital for my girlfriends asthma attack. I'll probably either continue or try to read based on that information and the now and I'm not entirely sure which would be better.-
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No need for the demeaning attitude, I read what I read.In post 1692, LuckyLuciano wrote:Not to demean the effort you've put in, but I recommend starting over, and this time actually reading.-
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Wasn't mafia attacked? Why would a 2KPN mafia attack a mafia?In post 1696, Almost50 wrote:You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.
The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.
@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?-
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Dude. So you're willing to just throw away town's chance of winning to the scum? No, we're voting today.In post 1696, Almost50 wrote:You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.
The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.
@Virgo: Why did you dismiss the 2 Mafia teams after last night?-
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Oh, I've never played a game where that is a thing... SorryIn post 1701, Almost50 wrote:To be more clear on the above: Either scum not hunting for the other is them playing against their own win con (assuming there is a SK and nor a 2-person scum team remaining)
P-edit: We are nopt talking about ONE team with 2 kills (that's absurd). We are talking about TWO TEAMS with a kill each,-
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It could be them being 3p killer and having a BP so they know that the situation can only get better or the same from here from that perspective (I think?)In post 1700, LuckyLuciano wrote:
Town is in control and you want to cede that control?In post 1696, Almost50 wrote:You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking of No Elimination. Scum can shoot each other or can shoot town. If they both shoot town though they make the last townie as a kingmaker. If only one of then shoot town and the other shoots the opposing scum we're in a 2v1 Elo. If they both shoot each other we win.
The only problem here is if Titus' theory is spot on and we are indeed 3v2 now, so No Elimination = surrender.
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IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?In post 1716, Almost50 wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLIn post 1714, LuckyLuciano wrote:Err, meant to say that I meant to say 2v1v1 being worst case scenario for SK is pretty ideal for SK. I'm going back to bed.
Final answer? Would you like to call a friend??
Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)In post 1714, LuckyLuciano wrote:Pedit: Why are you so focused on the exact level of my stupidity? How is my intelligence AI?-
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First of all, what. Second of all, whatIn post 1718, Almost50 wrote:
And here I was thinking ENGLISH was the official language in the Land Down UnderIn post 1717, JacksonVirgo wrote:
IQ does not define alignment like at all the fuck?In post 1716, Almost50 wrote:Because your IQ actually decides how you play the game. It determines what you can/can't do (and what you could/could not have done)-
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I'm so confused now lol, maybe I am the low IQ dude.
Anywho the recent happenings makes me think Lucky is probably more town than what I read in the first few pages. Though I will be super cautious about this so
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What are you even doing?In post 1724, Almost50 wrote:Actually, you know what? My lynch doesn't hurt the town that much. It just brings the 2-1-1 situation right now, and whichever of you doesn't kill the other loses. The only difference is you can both agree to share the win (which would be lame tbh).
So, let me help you there:
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Do I vote you?In post 1731, JacksonVirgo wrote:Actually, I think I see where your head is at. Alright-
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I am not 100% confident we have the same mind-set so I will probably not go with what I was planning on doing as it's too risky especially if I had a brainfart somewhere.
I was personally thinking you were trying to bait a scum hammer so that we can lynch that tomorrow assuming at least one scum kills the other again. I was gonna vote there to bait further into that although considering we may just outright lose if town is lynched and scum don't hit scum I think that play is the wrong course and we should instead try to lynch scum. This is assuming Almost is town which is possibly not even the case.-
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So we were thinking the same thing? Give me a second to thinkIn post 1735, Almost50 wrote:Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.-
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That would be the case assuming two non-bp scum roles alive right now. But even assuming just one of the scum is BP it wouldn't work how you're seeing and I'd rather not leave this to chance. Assuming there's a mafia and a 3p (with the 3p being BP) and assuming that you're Town.In post 1735, Almost50 wrote:Well, here's where your logic is messy: If Scum hammer me they get shot by the other scum, so you won't be eliminating them tomorrow, that's for sure. The question is whether that scum that hammered will also shoot their opponent or shoot a townie. Either way the game ends TONIGHT, and they who hammer loses in both cases.
I think your logic is ignoring the fact that it's probably safer to just push into a kingmaker scenario as scum than risk just outright losing. Scum could just decide to have the hammering scum attack the IC and the other shooting a random town that isn't the hammerer to push to either a 2v1v1 or a 1v1v1. Even if scum is "scared" that a town hammered to fool, they could just both attack the IC to force a 2v1v1.
Pushing this to chance is not ideal but I can see the benefit in the risk, not entirely sure if it's worth going for though.-
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Only one that's being hasty is 50In post 1743, Titus wrote:We should not act hastily. EE snd I are still on VLA.-
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Nah fam I respond to what I wantIn post 1757, Almost50 wrote:
Is Nor a possible abbreviation to your name?? No?? Then why the hell are you responding to a question that wasn't directed at you? You've already said your piece about the subject. Now I need to know what Nor/Titus think about it. Thank you very much.In post 1756, JacksonVirgo wrote:No elimination is dumb-
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I was just looking through the wiki here and realised that gunsmith ISNT what I thought it was... I thought it was a dude that gave day-vig bullets but noper it's an investigative role. Was a bit confused as to why there was no day-vig kills at all lol-
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I mean mafia already knows my role I assume, I was going to attempt to try and get SK to visit me but like I doubt that would happen if I get lynched.
Wagon wise I am a bit iffy on A50's aggressiveish tone, I'll have to read a bit more when I get time.
A50 is my preference-
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They seem to be very anti-town by pushing for a no-lynch which is what is very BP-SK sided. I mean if we lynch the SK I think they're town since I doubt mafia would push for that.In post 1780, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@Javkson Virgo
Why was your intent on lynching A50? What’s your reason for scumreading him?-
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This is doubly so for my home FM games. (which is the tos forums)In post 1782, JacksonVirgo wrote:I am used to BP SK's like in town of salem so if they're like really rare or something let me know-
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Yeah alright, that's what I assumed. So that's why I would rather an A50 lynch. Do you see what I'm seeing or no?In post 1784, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Serial killers often are 1shot or permamently bulletproof but sometimes not.-
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Not really, still gotta read more thoughIn post 1788, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I do think pushing for no lynch is the most sus thing A50’s done. But do you have any other points for him being SK other than that?-
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I'm not entirely certain, probably LL but I'm not voting yet regardlessIn post 1790, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
If A50 is serial killer, which one of LL/me are mafia in your opinion?In post 1789, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Not really, still gotta read more thoughIn post 1788, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I do think pushing for no lynch is the most sus thing A50’s done. But do you have any other points for him being SK other than that?-
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Dude that's hardly a compromise if that's who you want to lynch anywayIn post 1792, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I would be perfectly willing to compromise with you on LL.-
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Lol I like youIn post 1794, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Don't get so caught up in the details.-
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It's like faking coming up with new information without coming up with new information, thanks for strengthening my egoIn post 1797, LuckyLuciano wrote:
I agree with this. A50 was arguing out that if scum quickhammers they lose, so he was banking on the other scum not quickhammering him. I get his play as proving that there isn't a 2-person mafia remaining, but we already knew that so it proved nothing in that regard.In post 1787, JacksonVirgo wrote:Their self-vote may also be a ballsy way to get town-cred in a stupid way. Since they know town wouldn't hammer and that the mafia would probably vote them. That's a stretch though so maybe ignore that one-
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Going against my townLEAN's reads is not meaning anything. Just because they're a TR doesn't mean their logic is sound nor does it mean that lucky. Either one of LL or EE could be the mafia from what I see but A50 has the biggest SK and overall scum equity from what I can see so I'm going for that.-
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Or in other words. I want to lynch who I am more confident flips scum than risking it between weakly differing reads on the other remaining two (minus titus). Also how is titus still alive if they're a SoD1 IC. Lol-
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I literally said why I want you dead more than them but the fact you're ignoring that and shading me because I won't drop my read because of your AtE is even more telling.In post 1808, Almost50 wrote:But you said you'd vote LL over Nor anyway, so it makes more sense to test that theory of yours today too. In essence you don't mind eliminating BOTH me and LL, so it shouldn't make a difference to Town!You who goes first.
HOWEVER, SK You (which you keep accusing me of being it) does worry, because you would want to eliminate a townie today, shoot the Mafia at night and come back accusing the "other" townie of being the SK and claiming you were wrong and it was A50's fault... etc. etc.
I mean, for me I wouldn't mind voting you or LL, and I made that quite clear. You may also be worried that -with my stance- I won't be siding by you once you've shot Titus, and she won't be siding by you if you shoot me (assuming LL eats rope today). However, eliminating me and you shooting LL may work because Titus already SRs Nor so you've got a good chance in that particular 3-players Elo.-
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Nah it was a genuine question I shoulda just kept to myselfIn post 1810, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Honestly, the fact that you were acting dumb about something that obvious makes me wonder if you're trying to LAMIST.In post 1809, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
There are multiple reasons. Doctors would most likely target there so it's smarter to shoot after more threatening PR's than a confirmed VT. And secondary, this game has a SK so mafia and SK would probably be more busy trying to eliminate each other by this point.In post 1807, JacksonVirgo wrote:how is titus still alive if they're a SoD1 IC. Lol-
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First paragraph - What?In post 1813, Almost50 wrote:The thing is (and here's my trump) I can never win now as SK/Mafia. Why? because EVEN if we eliminate LL/You and shoot the other Nor is not going to vote Titus, and she will suspect something is VERY wrong with that outcome. If I shoot Titus instead, then NOR is going to suspect something is very wrong. If I shoot Nor then one of you/LL is my opponent in LyLo and it still looks shady for me.
Also last night's NK doesn't work with me. I wouldn't shoot DEB even if I knew he was Mafia. He was pocketing me hard, so I would have tried to hunt for his p, and if that failed we would have been in a 2-2-1 today and I could have forced a No Elimination (because town has no chance if an Elimination goes throw in a 2-2-1 situation, so I can then shoot a Mafioso and rely on my BP not to be killed (I'm following your theory of the SK having a BP here) and then we are in either 1-1-1 with my NP still intact (that means I win outright) or 2-1-1 with my BP exhausted (Town are back in it and can force another No Elimination and let it all get sorted at night).
Second paragraph - Nice attempt to slip but not gonna work. I'm an X-shot PGO (not claiming how many shots I have/had) and I am almost certain I softed that incredibly obviously earlier today. I have serious doubts that a VT visited me so the VT was the SK kill.-
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Except why would I ever just claim that instead of just pushing A50 like I have been and force a 1v1v1 or a 2v1v1.
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