Large Normal 229 | Manatee's Musical Mafia | Game Over

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Okay. I was saying hello because I saw a non-entity vote another sort of entity and entities should stick together, don’t you think?

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Don’t, i’m Just trying to start a conversation and see where you head is at.

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Could be scum with Norwe. But dunno.
Kind of town actuallty weak lean tho. Just not much in the way of scum motivation in their posting unless he’s an ennui monster and that’s his wincon.
Weird, but kind of townie just a comment here and there. He’s putting more effort into this game than past games tho. I don’t know what that means though.

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Is he elim resistant?

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VOTE: Sta1ley

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Okay, i’m Against the Norwe elimination today.
I can’t guarantee it won’t happen. but my vote won’t be there.

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yoohoo everyone!

i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr

Um.
Hi ydrasse,

I guess in summary we wagoned Glitch and he was a power role of some kind, he soft claimed without getting into specficis, then we wagoned fwesnid and he turned out to be a gunsmith.
Now we're just trying to figure out who to vote next really.

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Not me. I'm town.

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Probably not Nero.
Probably not SJreaver.

Lean not Superbowl.

After that it's mostly just iunno'

@A50 is playing a confidence game that I don't really understand, he's destabilizing the game state and our reads to some extent, but I don't really know if he's doing it for townie or scummy reasons.

Offsuit just needs a hug, is a big grump, and we're trying to send him home because grumpy people are no fun.

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Everybody who's played with him are getting wildly different reads and levels of confidence on him.
I thought he was obvscum, then slowly I've shifted to neutral.

In short, Norwe is a land of contrasts.
Not lurking at all though and he can do that as scum.

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Yes, two replaces outs, so you're double scum for that.

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Just an FYI, glitch may be lying about his claim, but Fwesnid definitely isn't.
I can't tell and have deferred to crowd judgment because I'm not good at spotting fake claims.

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Okay, i’m Against the Norwe elimination today.
I can’t guarantee it won’t happen. but my vote won’t be there.

Obligatory

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This is a bad elimination in my professional very accurate opinion.

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72offsuit, what caused you to ISO siteflaking?

Its obvious.

Titus is probs scum just based off this post.

Then you can tell me if it's obvious. Right now, I am the only person you're voting with. To turn around and attack the only person voting with you makes little sense.

Clarifying why you ISOed serves three purposes. First, it helps me read your flail. Second, it draws more attention to siteflaking helping me prove or disprove my theory. Third, if you and siteflaking happen to be scum together (theory wrong but I guessed right), that will come out too.

Are you being intentionally dense? You’re smarter than this, what’s the benefit for scum to attack the only person voting with them?

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VOTE: Titus

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It's not survivalism.

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Virgo has a pet peeve about blind votes or votes given without an explanation. I guess he wants people to empty vote and empty quote whoever prompted the wagon or give their own reasons.
Which makes some sense. I think it would be easier and more townie just to ask each one why they voted than just to say stuff at them, but eh.

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also if i have to pick btwn the two top wagons right now i'll vote 72. the people on that wagon seem like townier folk

I feel the exact opposite. With a majority choosing 72 over titus it makes me think that the majority has scum helping it along.

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A single post in 100 pages is all you need to think someone is scum or not.


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also if i have to pick btwn the two top wagons right now i'll vote 72. the people on that wagon seem like townier folk

I feel the exact opposite. With a majority choosing 72 over titus it makes me think that the majority has scum helping it along.

...couldn't the majority also just be town voting scum?

pinpoint who you think is scum on it for me

Hiraki, maybe Titus.

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Are you deaf? He sounds like a used carsalesmen.

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also that post implies a certain amount of confidence on hiraki but not on titus, who you are voting...?

My reads are in flux, pretty much. While Titus has perhaps scummy posts, Hiraki is just a vague gut scum blob read. If that makes any sense. There's a supposition there that 72offsuit is town which weighs toward my thinking on the matter, since Titus stood out more on her push than Hiraki did.

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bell why do you have so many posts i do not want to read all of these

Don't, just assume I'm town. Cause I am.

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tell me what fabric your pockets are lined with and i'll cut you a deal

Some combination of cotton and polyester.

the Titus wagon is similar to the last 2 or 3 wagons in terms of speed. I don't make a lot of it since I know a lot of people want to go to night phase and are fine with almost anyone that isn't them at this point.

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Who doesn't?
I just don't think it's offsuit cause he's a grump but I don't see much of a pattern or resistance to the votes on him. It could just be a difference in familiarity between 72 and Titus in terms of things like reputation/esteem and what not that is leading to a difference in voting patterns.

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If they're sheeping a reason, they would just quote the original poster's reason and then vote.
Going to bed.

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A50 any thoughts on current goings on?
Master PR Hunter. Honorary 6th scum team member don’t mind me.
Srsly. UNVOTE:

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I still don’t think 72offsuit is where we should be at.
But that’s not helping

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A50 are you sure you’re okay with this wagon in particular?

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I’m really grossed out by this wagon since the case on 72 sucks (inb4 he flips scum and I look dumb).

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Because it’s not particularly hard to see that he’s town.

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There’s phoning it in and then there’s letting the scum team have their way.

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He’s not really trying to survive, his reads are evolving organically, he doesn’t seem to be avoiding interacting with anybody. There is no no counter wagon forming that isn’t being led by town after my last 2 catastrophic failures. Most of the people voting him aren’t in the people i’m most strongly reading as town while those that aren’t are voting him.

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We have a day and 7 hours? I think.

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Maybe i’m Wrong though and he is scum. Take a look?

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I have no read on ydrasse.
So that’s true.

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I’m feeling burned because I keep outting PRs. So you’ll have to forgive the hesitation.

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let me tap into my slot-ancestor's reads to see what they were thinking.

please put a little bit of silk in there for me.

and fair, at this point i'm vibing with that but i still wanna like... also flip scum, yknow?

Ydrasse I'm getting scum and town pings from. Sometimes it feels a little lamist, but I don't particularly like that argument and am not convinced by it. I have no idea why that even became an abbreviation. Amish tell, but I don't believe in the amish or their tells(amish tell is when a player goes back and reads their predecessor's posts intentionally I have no idea where the scum motivation is in there, but w/e).
Pete I have a vague, slight town lean on.
Town looter and ISK, I feel mixed. ISK has been inoffensive, he seems like he's thinking, but I have no idea what he's thinking about I don't see much town or scum motivation in him. For town looter he had 2 townie posts but otherwise has been background noise.
I don't know where SJ went.

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E-1

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No more votes until claim.

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The fuck?

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Walk me through your reasoning here.

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Thread will be locked soon.
I don't understand why you didn't let him claim. There's no town advantage to be had by blind hammering him.

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I consider it fairly surprising that neither Fwesnid nor glitch is dead.

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That's a good assumption to make.

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....Was pete a bad vig shot?
That was very, very stupid of him. No offense meant. I understand his frustration but he pretty much killed one of the most powerful roles that we could have possibly had.
I feel bad for offsuit. it must have been frustrating to fight off that wagon with that role pm in the back of his head.

@Pedit: Yeah pretty much, I would assume that Fwesnid or gltich would die.
Probably not glitch tbh, he's an easy miselimination if he's town, but fwesnid is a fairly active threat.

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Shouldn't hiraki or Titus have known better?
And A50 was uncharacteristically silent after defending (Checks notes) Lapsa of all people.

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Burden of proficiency.
When a fairly proficient player under performs, there's an underlying thought that they're just mafia. Which is why they keep eliminating town.
It's not a very good argument for someone to be scum. But I still think it's worth investigating the more difficult players.

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Pete.

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Lol, I think she tried to assassinate you Flake.

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When someone is loud does it just say they visited you, or does it say "Titus, the (town)baby sitter visited you"?

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k, thanks.

I want to hear what glitch has to say since he mentioned he could activate his role day 2 in a semi helpful manner.
While his bigger stuff is day 4.
Though, yeah. Don't mistake me. I suspect it.

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I'm not at L-1 right? I'll soft claim now and hard claim if I'm put back at L-1. Y'all need me to stay alive until like Day 4. Please don't make me hard claim.

I'll just be honest, I let myself get really emotional and worked up with the Nero interaction. I got really frustrated because I've been making genuine, real arguments and they get consistently shot down and discredited as scummy when they are actually genuine. I know it's part of the game but I got really exhausted with Nero and felt so ready to be done. I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I stand by everything I said about Nero. I understand I could be playing like a noob but it's all been genuine and if I get eliminated for it, when I flip town please let me know how I can play better and not get voted off D1 cause it tends to happen a lot to me.

Regardless, I'm a town PR that won't be super useful until later in the game. I've been having a really hard time sorting people and making heads and tails of anyone in this game. Idk if it's because it's my first large, Idk if it's because I'm frustrated and too focused in one spot, or something else. Right now my SRs are still Nero, Norway, MM, and I SL Hiraki and Lapsa and would love a push on both of them. I went kind of null on MM at one point but I'm back to a SR there and would be okay with a vote there. I've also gotten some off vibes from SB which is weird because SB was a super strong TR of mine early on. Not sure where I stand on him right now. I'm TR'ing stanley because of his more recent content -- not because he's defending me. See quotes on MM and stan below.

You are using the "Norwee was pushed hard enough for scummates to want to save him" argument against Glitch and are pushing his lynch for it

I am 100% in favor of eliminating Nero but this is not an argument he ever made. This isn't even a misrep, this is a straight up lie, and I like the lal policy so I'll be okay supporting a MM elim now if the Nero wagon won't pick up enough traction to eliminate.

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

What do you mean by this?

I'm happy to lynch either nero or superbowl today (preferably nero)but it's best not to line up lynches ie. we shouldn't seriously be suggesting to lynch X person today and Y person tomorrow

Why would scum say this?

In his opening post he said he would reread an old game he had with you to see if how you were playing here was typical.

Yeah, it mimics it. I kind of tossed on whether that was relevant because it could be something he does as scum too. I also read Norwee as scum in that game and he was scum. So I feel betterish.

Unvote Glitch

Idk if i'm comfortable turning around just based on a extremely vague: "I'll be useful by D4!" claim.

Good but think more.

Could also Vote Hiraki.

Annoying.

Vote: CatScratchFever

I want to expand on this later. Don't have time now.

In addition to expanding on your CSF vote can you expand on my unvote and why you did that?

I think a Glitch flip would say more about me

The whole game is not about everyone developing a good read on you. This is what I'm saying consistently is the problem. So much scumminess. I'm so disappointed there's no wagon on you so far. I'm gonna end up moving my vote, not because I don't want you lynched, but because unfortunately there won't be a lynch there today.

For what it's worth, I've skimmed most of this today. I've done very little, well let's be honest, nothing, letting everyone else do the lifting because I'm terrible on Day 1, and this is a large so that multiplies my awful factor by, I don't know, infinity or something. The only interesting thing that's happened is Glitch's claim, which sounds as fake as a Souder end table. Up to that point I had no opinion of him because I'm lazy, but now I wouldn't mind seeing a lynch push through based on that alone, but I know that's not going to happen because as NoPower said we don't want to take that chance. But I've been burnt too many times by fake claims that can't be proven for days out "I'm an even night whatever" or something; "you guys want me around until Day 4." WTH so that means he's got a locked up slot if he's scum and if he's town I guess he dies tonight or something, so whatever.

Hopefully y'all don't push me all the way to hard claiming but if you do there is a way I can prove to you I'm town with my role if I stay alive N1 and we plan it out here D1. Let's just not do that though because I don't want scum knowing my PR until it is fully realized later on down the road.

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I skimmed the last four pages.

MM was caught with a gun.
He claimed vengeful vig.
He claimed he shot Pete.
He said he didn't get a PM so that fwesnid wasn't loud? wut.
Is that accurate?

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Why aren't you voting fwesnid?

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Are you sure you checked your night messages and did not receive a notification you were visited?

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If you're vengeful shoot Fwesnid for lying, yeah?
@Everyone else: is that the correct move here?

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Manatee, were all night actions properly registered? I understand you've had a hectic few days, is there a back up mod that could check?

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A50, why would MM lie about something he didn't need to lie about.

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Anyway, I'll PM my question in game to Manatee and see what he says in case he misses it.

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Why would town be scared of a vengeful claim from a town MM/Scum MM?

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I'm just being the devil's advocate and making sure this is correct btw.
Mod error could be a thing here.
If not and there were no mistakes then Fwesnid scum dies to MM, or MM scum dies due to elimination.
So this would be the locked in elimination for the day IMO.

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You don’t have to,
Shellyc is just figuring out the terminology. She’s newish here.

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Manatee just said he couldn’t answer my question. In private messages
But there is one thing I know I can ask that he has to answer that resolves this particular issue.

have there been any moderator errors in regards to night actions so far?

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Your IIOA accusation.
It just doesn’t fit within the context of the game because you still don’t understand that IIOA usually specifically is used when looking at wall posts in which a player attempts to look town but is just reiterating or summarizing what happened in the game.

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What he said doesn’t apply to this. It’s not scummy to do this outside of reads/wall posts.

For an example see my recent catch up post in which I summarize the last 4 pages. You could say that was IIOA, but because it has nothing to do with my reads and was seeking to understand the situation, it’s not.

Anyway, hi Shelly town.

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IMO, I don’t think site flaked is scum based on his play today so far.

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Someone asked. Redirectors are explicitly banned in normals.

If MM/fwes has one scum in it. I don’t think he’d be circling the way he’s circling.
Also, he seems to be helpful. I never really agreed with your (scum?) read on him anyway.
We’ll be seeing more of him anyway. Probably.

@pedit: hmm.

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Walk me through that Flake?

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Lol

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Unvote while we wait, please i’d Rather not see a speed hammer on this.

This is also what I mean when I say I think the more experienced players should be looking for these really obvious loopholes or issues.
I’m a really mediocre player and the fact I noticed it first while everybody else voted MM instead just makes me think they knocked a few iq points off themselves to get another mislelimination through.

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Aren’t moderators obligated to state they made an error if they made one?

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Okay ydrasse. Are you Mafia this game?

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Why yes, I am town Shelly. Thanks for pointing that out.
You’re town because reaver was town.
I got owned. In that newbie game.

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I don’t need to pocket you.
Stop pocketing me.
We’re in the same pocket.
Or boat. Whichever.
Help me find scum.

@fwesnid, chalk it up to being relatively new then.
If there really was a mod error(as there may very well have been given the mod’s circumstances)
I guess we’ll know if he flips avenger and you either get shot or not.

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What bases are you covering by insinuating i’m Scum?

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VOTE: ydrasse.

Vote park.

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She doesn’t cover her bases by calling me scum. She gets it by trying to read me.

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She’s just ad homming and painting me with a scum brush.
That is pretty scummy.

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That’s pedantic.

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that seems kinda defensive for me saying after a flip i'm going to revisit your slot

Brush#3.

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Sigh making yourself into the reasonable one while continuing to brush me. Rhetorical strategy #3

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I am engaging you?

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Ydrasse, What’s the point of a hypothetical that far removed from the here and now. What does it do?

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i’m not really sure it’s true engagement if you immediately shift to a rhetorical strategy.
Saying i’m overreacting isn’t real engagement is it?
@ydrasse maybe a little paranoid. I just lost a game.

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I’m not really sure it’s paranoia, when i’m null reading you.
Isn’t this reaction you’re having defensive in itself?

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I didn’t think so.

Let’s forget this engagement. It seems like a waste of time.

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I didn’t engage with the paranoia question because it was a leading/loadedquestion to me. I answered anyway. On second request.

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i’m not quite sure I follow shelly, in the context provided where would the cornering have occurred?

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I will state I overreacted.
I don’t know why.
I guess it’s because every additional post by ydrasse seemed to have an attack in it to me.
Maybe the insinuation triggered a fight or flight thing because i’m stressed out with other stuff?

Hmm, yeah that makes more sense to me than paranoia.

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I meant environmentally shelly.
I have 0 votes. Most players agree i’m town. I’m pretty sure if you iso me it would be difficult to reach the conclusion i’m scum. Though I know that it’s a little silly to expect town to have good reads and 2 people that were town reading me did just die so I guess, in that sense maybe later down the road if more die and I don’t I could start getting cornered, sure.

But that wasn’t in my head at the time.

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Sorry, ydrasse. I overreacted I think.

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Fwesnid, Super Bowl, shellyc.

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MM might be a miselimination about to happen.
His reaction doesn’t look scummy to me.

If I were scum this game I would think I was the one scum that keeps pointing out people are town before watching them get Miseiminated. Wifom. I know

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Yup. Just because of sjreaver. But that’s good enough for me. Rn. Maybe if you live another 3 days i’ll Change my
Mind.

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Thanks Super Bowl.
I think that was a bad interaction. It happens though.

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@titus: Because the mod was experiencing irl issues. I thought it was possible that he just made a mistake and forgot to tell MM that he was visited
So I asked him.
He said he couldn’t directly comment and that if any errors or night action errors were made they have since been corrected and they have received the appropriate night messages.

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Don’t feel well. Post tomorrow.

Deadline is when? Sorry.

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Thank you.

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Shouldn’t we do that if we miseliminate today?

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Also
@MM i’m Gunna be mad if i’m Honorary scum MVP

VOTE: nopoweroverme

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He said he was gunna say stuff when he got back.

@virgo you’re mean.

Though yeah, there’s bullshit in these woods.

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...seriously?

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Do you have results or did you already post them dolitle?

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I see.

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Excellent shot

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Thanks Titus.

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Jackson now town.
MM town or somehow, shot their partner.

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Rip Super Bowl.

Yay for accurate town reads.
....wait am I the only one left out of the town block I tried to form?
Oh shelly’s Still here.

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It was a joke.
But it would be against their win condition to do so. And this isn’t a bastard game so that’s impossible I think. At least without getting mod killed.

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You should wait for that kinda thing Stanley.

Also, why aren’t you dead jack.

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Did the scum team outwifom themselves or did they just confirm that Titus is town?

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Why not both. I like this narrative and Titus pushing against ikm like that is super weird for a mafia to do to a partner.

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oh, never mind, they might as well have just shot Titus if they were worried about that.
Never fear though, she’s still probably town for the ikm push.

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I wasn’t super mad for you hammering. But also I didn’t realized you’d hammered.

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No, she’s not soft confirmed town.

For marshmallow Marshall, he is confirmed town since no one cced and Mafia died.
Jackson is about to get rid of 2 scum so I think the answer there is pretty clear.

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That doesn’t make any sense since you can confirm people everyday.

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Don’t correct me, if i’m wrong.

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...you know, I kinda wonder where I was last day phase.

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Eh, I just feel bad because I didn’t do anything to help last day phase.

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Sure.

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Lol you think I can read Ralph.

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Holy shit

I will be back to claim after family dinner and I read through. I have a lot of info and my PR has been rendered almost useless I think so I'll out it. I'll be back soon.

What happened to being super useful day 4?

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You’re not erratic, but you’re not as attached to your cases as I thought you might otherwise be if it wasn’t you.
Or maybe he means your short posts(which I don’t mind really, but then again all my posts are pretty short

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saying the role just takes 1 minuet bug coming with fakeclaim takes ages . not good sign fore glitch

That's a good point

Though as an opposing point, if a scum was planning a strong PR claim since d1 they should have that claim by now

Counter counter point. Procrastination is a hell of a drug.

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Though, glitch doesn’t seem the type to procrastinate and probably does have a fake claim lined up.
Unfortunately, (Er this is only if he’s mafia) he was made to claim first and didn’t seem to fit with later claims.
But a full claim should clear that right up.

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Stanley seems a bit townier.
I was extremely null on him for the longest time.

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“I miss super bowl, I liked him. I knew I was right on the doc (dr. Dolottle) haha. Now just to find the last two.

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MM-Jackson.
fwesnid
Titus.
Shellyc.

In that order of townieness.
The rest are blah and blech.

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Good very late evening.
Glitch claimed neighborizor, an easily confirmable role, yes?

I just can’t handle that he chose IKS first.
Why does glitch being a neighborizer make it more likely that Titus is scum?

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I read it. I don’t see anything in there other than the hoping someone else will tell me what to do angle.
For the most part her reads have been pretty accurate and she didn’t seem to hesitate when wagoning lapsa.
I don’t see the angle when she realized my idea fell apart on lapsa and questioned it as being from a scum POV.

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It’s convenient sure. But he can just neborize someone else and confirm it.

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neighbouriser is not guarranteed town aligned

they could be scum neighbouriser claiming town neighbouriser

but tbh according to what NEE says not a high chance of scum!glitch at this point

Oh. That’s a very detailed cover story from glitch if false.

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I can’t believe you didn’t let that ride Jackson.

What a wasted opportunity. But i’m A little surprised norwee thought you investigated him.

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Alas.

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I want to see Titus do vca analysis now.
It can be a little fun to watch.
But if she doesn’t have time, then, meh.

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Neighborizor.
Gunsmith.
Babysitter.
Rookie cop or some such.
Self venge vig.

With all these loud roles i’m A little afraid that the baby sitter is ominous and actually a role checker.

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Why isn’t mm in there.

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Wait are you trolling us Rn NPOM.

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She babysat me.

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Or she moon walked through my house and stole my ID.
Either one.

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I think NPOM is having a laugh.

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day vig NPOM

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We can be friends in the dead thread.

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It has to be 2 vigilante setup. I see no other way around it.

This is why I thought lapsa was informed/scum.

I realized I was wrong but it explains his reaction.

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What if you are endgamed?

That doesn’t seem likely.

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What if you are endgamed?

Er, did I just blow it?
Don’t leave me hanging here.

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YESSS

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One more?
We’ll probably be here for awhile until mantatee gets here.

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Oh there’s five, I keep forgetting.

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It’s pretty clear?

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VOTE: NPOM



Good night.

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“He had cool hair so he lived longer than he should of. “- a friend

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That was a 3 am gambit lie.
Obviously, NPOM is still alive so I didn’t actually day vig him.

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UNVOTE:

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Thinking.

@shellyc, Titus has a point about ya.

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No I mean, you’re present but you’re not doing much with it.

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Why isn’t Titus voting you btw.

Also we’re not done with this day until I get to see a real vca or a fake vca.

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You said that the last game we were in, lol.

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@shellyc, have you ever actually been right about a solve before?

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Hi hiraki.
I’ve not had the fortune to interact with you directly this game.
Does shellyc remind you of early scum you or early town you?

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@shellyc yeah, but when you do it as scum both become totally meaningless outside context.

What makes you town this game and not scum again?

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Large games are less about individual effort and more about team effort.

Can you help me to figure out if you’re scum or not.

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Probably not

If I throw a huge baby tantrum will you do it just to shut me up?

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What makes you town this game and not scum again?

Because I received a town role PM and not a scum one.

Is that good enough for you?

I don't like townasing myself tbh

You also said this last game.

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Naw I have my own job.

K, i’m Gunna wait for Titus. Then probably hammer you.

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What if I interact with you so you can sort my alignment?

We are interacting. I am sorting you.
Slowly killing my obv town read on your slot.

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I don't think it's that simple

So there’s one scum in her town reads.

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...this game is feeling pretty easy right now

of those, i don't think that it's tl/hiraki so my pool for us to elim/vig through is (bell, norway, a50, npom, stanley)

which... is fine?

With 3 scum left it’s probably not going to be easy. It requires a level of accuracy i’m not that confident in.

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This is where I'm at:

Marshmallow Marshall - confirmed vigi
Glitch - Norwee's word, also isn't w/w with Norwee
JacksonVirgo - DrDolittle and cop claim
Ydrasse - Gunsmith inno
shellyc - both them and reaver are very townie
ralph217 - Main pusher of lapsa/dolittle, specifically lapsa interaction
Titus - Setup spec of Disloyal Roleblocker suggests this is town

Bell
NorwegianboyEE
Hiraki
Almost50
Town looter
NoPowerOverMe
Stan1ey

I kinda want to do set up speculation since both mafia so far have flipped goon.

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If Titus is town, we're good have faith in me.
If Titus is scum, mafia cannot kill me as they have to keep their claim.

I support this post since he seems to think it’s a good idea.

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Planning to do something but not doing it is town... how?

how is planning to do something /not/ town then?

Rly.

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Yep but he says to trust him.
And I trust Jackson cause he’s town.

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What Norwe is saying is that scum would be self conscious about voting with their partner around the same time without at least listing their own reasons.

I actually don’t agree with this because people make mistakes,
And I can even think of some examples where that kinda stuff has happened where a player just doesn’t realize what they’re doing is weird/scummy when they’re scum.

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It looks like essential reading to me tbh.

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You’d know all about fosing your partner and then voting someone else.
*snicker*
Trust the expert.

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His NPOM case to me looks good and I agree with it. So I don’t think he should have spoilered it.

He and I could still be wrong. But I don’t think the reasoning is bad.

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I am creating possibly town possibly anti town tempo by supporting jackson’s Case on NPOM. and calling attention to it?

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I don't want to spend the day defending myself. Maybe bell is scum, knows I'm town and doesn't want to lose towncred.

Yes, I wouldn’t want to lose all that town cred I got from being on scum wagons.

I’m waitin’ on Titus.
But yeah consider my vote fixed on you and you really should defend yourself if you’re town.

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I don't need to. I'm town and it should be obvious if you read Superbowls iso and death.

If you didn’t need to, then why are you being wagoned.

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Norwe is trying to keep you alive you know. Don’t be mean.

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Mmmm

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There’s something to be said about someone internally thinking there are strong reasons why they aren’t scum this game.

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He was asked if there's a specific reason he doesn't scumread me. He said yes. Now he's dead. Take from that what you will.

Er, he was a universal town read and if the plan was to get you miseliminated after, that’s just probably icing on their scumcake.

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If I were scum this is probably where i’d Say, if you insist.

Instead i’m just thinking about it.

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If you're town here then you've defended yourself in the worst way possible.
No offense dude.

What would be the benefits to this approach for scum NPOM?

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I’m super weak to aTe. So this isn’t really my strong suit.

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Me too. Pull the trigger already.

NPOM, if you’re scum you realize, giving you what you want isn’t in my interest.

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If you’re town too really.

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If he’s scum he’s trying to push us to night phase early for some reason.
If he’s town he’s asking me to play against my win condition.

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Life is full of tough decisions. Do I eat a twinkie or a ding dong?

Ouch. You caught me. I’m one of those worriers.

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It seems like fun.
That’s pretty much it.

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P.S. Not gonna vote NPOM myself though. I can't be caught siding y Town.

What does this mean?

It means I'm going to troll for the rest of the game. I don't care anymore. I pushed NPOM & Norwee earlier, and nobody listened, and now they're pushing me too to bring the NPOM wagon to a halt and some people are starting top listen to them. I won't be bothered to try to convince anyone with anything anymore and I will act as a non-entity. You all need to get 2 more votes (I think) on NPOM soon, and without my cooperation.

This makes no sense to me.

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VOTE: NPOM
RIP hair friend.

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If he doesn’t flip red I need to re-examine some assumptions I have about scum hunting.

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Very classy.

???? I don’t understand at all.

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I should have fake claimed cop.

Oh so my reads were right, neat

I felt the same way. But then I realized it might have been a poke at our hesitation to eliminate claimed power roles.

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Hopefully though!