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Could be scum with Norwe. But dunno.
Kind of town actuallty weak lean tho. Just not much in the way of scum motivation in their posting unless he’s an ennui monster and that’s his wincon.
Weird, but kind of townie just a comment here and there. He’s putting more effort into this game than past games tho. I don’t know what that means though.-
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Um.In post 2269, Ydrasse wrote:yoohoo everyone!
i will read through this the best i can over the next day or so but i would very much appreciate any sort of tl;dr
Hi ydrasse,
I guess in summary we wagoned Glitch and he was a power role of some kind, he soft claimed without getting into specficis, then we wagoned fwesnid and he turned out to be a gunsmith.
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Probably not Nero.
Probably not SJreaver.
Lean not Superbowl.
After that it's mostly just iunno'
@A50 is playing a confidence game that I don't really understand, he's destabilizing the game state and our reads to some extent, but I don't really know if he's doing it for townie or scummy reasons.
Offsuit just needs a hug, is a big grump, and we're trying to send him home because grumpy people are no fun.-
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ObligatoryIn post 2225, Bell wrote:Okay, i’m Against the Norwe elimination today.
I can’t guarantee it won’t happen. but my vote won’t be there.-
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Are you being intentionally dense? You’re smarter than this, what’s the benefit for scum to attack the only person voting with them?In post 2375, Titus wrote:
Then you can tell me if it's obvious. Right now, I am the only person you're voting with. To turn around and attack the only person voting with you makes little sense.In post 2363, 72offsuit wrote:
Its obvious.In post 2361, Titus wrote:72offsuit, what caused you to ISO siteflaking?
Titus is probs scum just based off this post.
Clarifying why you ISOed serves three purposes. First, it helps me read your flail. Second, it draws more attention to siteflaking helping me prove or disprove my theory. Third, if you and siteflaking happen to be scum together (theory wrong but I guessed right), that will come out too.-
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Virgo has a pet peeve about blind votes or votes given without an explanation. I guess he wants people to empty vote and empty quote whoever prompted the wagon or give their own reasons.
Which makes some sense. I think it would be easier and more townie just to ask each one why they voted than just to say stuff at them, but eh.-
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I feel the exact opposite. With a majority choosing 72 over titus it makes me think that the majority has scum helping it along.In post 2506, Ydrasse wrote:also if i have to pick btwn the two top wagons right now i'll vote 72. the people on that wagon seem like townier folk-
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Hiraki, maybe Titus.In post 2512, Ydrasse wrote:
...couldn't the majority also just be town voting scum?In post 2509, Bell wrote:
I feel the exact opposite. With a majority choosing 72 over titus it makes me think that the majority has scum helping it along.In post 2506, Ydrasse wrote:also if i have to pick btwn the two top wagons right now i'll vote 72. the people on that wagon seem like townier folk
pinpoint who you think is scum on it for me-
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My reads are in flux, pretty much. While Titus has perhaps scummy posts, Hiraki is just a vague gut scum blob read. If that makes any sense. There's a supposition there that 72offsuit is town which weighs toward my thinking on the matter, since Titus stood out more on her push than Hiraki did.In post 2518, Ydrasse wrote:also that post implies a certain amount of confidence on hiraki but not on titus, who you are voting...?-
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Don't, just assume I'm town. Cause I am.In post 2526, Ydrasse wrote:bell why do you have so many posts i do not want to read all of these-
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Some combination of cotton and polyester.In post 2529, Ydrasse wrote:tell me what fabric your pockets are lined with and i'll cut you a deal
the Titus wagon is similar to the last 2 or 3 wagons in terms of speed. I don't make a lot of it since I know a lot of people want to go to night phase and are fine with almost anyone that isn't them at this point.-
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Who doesn't?
I just don't think it's offsuit cause he's a grump but I don't see much of a pattern or resistance to the votes on him. It could just be a difference in familiarity between 72 and Titus in terms of things like reputation/esteem and what not that is leading to a difference in voting patterns.-
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He’s not really trying to survive, his reads are evolving organically, he doesn’t seem to be avoiding interacting with anybody. There is no no counter wagon forming that isn’t being led by town after my last 2 catastrophic failures. Most of the people voting him aren’t in the people i’m most strongly reading as town while those that aren’t are voting him.-
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In post 2277, Ydrasse wrote:let me tap into my slot-ancestor's reads to see what they were thinking.
Ydrasse I'm getting scum and town pings from. Sometimes it feels a little lamist, but I don't particularly like that argument and am not convinced by it. I have no idea why that even became an abbreviation. Amish tell, but I don't believe in the amish or their tells(amish tell is when a player goes back and reads their predecessor's posts intentionally I have no idea where the scum motivation is in there, but w/e).In post 2532, Ydrasse wrote:please put a little bit of silk in there for me.
and fair, at this point i'm vibing with that but i still wanna like... also flip scum, yknow?
Pete I have a vague, slight town lean on.
Town looter and ISK, I feel mixed. ISK has been inoffensive, he seems like he's thinking, but I have no idea what he's thinking about I don't see much town or scum motivation in him. For town looter he had 2 townie posts but otherwise has been background noise.
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....Was pete a bad vig shot?
That was very, very stupid of him. No offense meant. I understand his frustration but he pretty much killed one of the most powerful roles that we could have possibly had.
I feel bad for offsuit. it must have been frustrating to fight off that wagon with that role pm in the back of his head.
@Pedit: Yeah pretty much, I would assume that Fwesnid or gltich would die.
Probably not glitch tbh, he's an easy miselimination if he's town, but fwesnid is a fairly active threat.-
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In post 1224, Glitch wrote:I'm not at L-1 right? I'll soft claim now and hard claim if I'm put back at L-1. Y'all need me to stay alive until like Day 4. Please don't make me hard claim.
I'll just be honest, I let myself get really emotional and worked up with the Nero interaction. I got really frustrated because I've been making genuine, real arguments and they get consistently shot down and discredited as scummy when they are actually genuine. I know it's part of the game but I got really exhausted with Nero and felt so ready to be done. I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.
I stand by everything I said about Nero. I understand I could be playing like a noob but it's all been genuine and if I get eliminated for it, when I flip town please let me know how I can play better and not get voted off D1 cause it tends to happen a lot to me.
Regardless, I'm a town PR that won't be super useful until later in the game. I've been having a really hard time sorting people and making heads and tails of anyone in this game. Idk if it's because it's my first large, Idk if it's because I'm frustrated and too focused in one spot, or something else. Right now my SRs are still Nero, Norway, MM, and I SL Hiraki and Lapsa and would love a push on both of them. I went kind of null on MM at one point but I'm back to a SR there and would be okay with a vote there. I've also gotten some off vibes from SB which is weird because SB was a super strong TR of mine early on. Not sure where I stand on him right now. I'm TR'ing stanley because of his more recent content -- not because he's defending me. See quotes on MM and stan below.
I am 100% in favor of eliminating Nero but this is not an argument he ever made. This isn't even a misrep, this is a straight up lie, and I like the lal policy so I'll be okay supporting a MM elim now if the Nero wagon won't pick up enough traction to eliminate.In post 989, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:You are using the "Norwee was pushed hard enough for scummates to want to save him" argument against Glitch and are pushing his lynch for it
Why would scum say this?In post 1186, stan1ey wrote:
I'm happy to lynch either nero or superbowl today (preferably nero)but it's best not to line up lynches ie. we shouldn't seriously be suggesting to lynch X person today and Y person tomorrowJacksonVirgo wrote:
What do you mean by this?In post 1182, stan1ey wrote:Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rnIn post 1400, Glitch wrote:
In addition to expanding on your CSF vote can you expand on my unvote and why you did that?In post 1281, Hiraki wrote:
Yeah, it mimics it. I kind of tossed on whether that was relevant because it could be something he does as scum too. I also read Norwee as scum in that game and he was scum. So I feel betterish.In post 1124, Bell wrote:In his opening post he said he would reread an old game he had with you to see if how you were playing here was typical.
Unvote Glitch
Good but think more.In post 1225, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Idk if i'm comfortable turning around just based on a extremely vague: "I'll be useful by D4!" claim.
Annoying.In post 1259, Bell wrote:Could also Vote Hiraki.
Vote: CatScratchFever
I want to expand on this later. Don't have time now.
The whole game is not about everyone developing a good read on you. This is what I'm saying consistently is the problem. So much scumminess. I'm so disappointed there's no wagon on you so far. I'm gonna end up moving my vote, not because I don't want you lynched, but because unfortunately there won't be a lynch there today.In post 1367, Nero Cain wrote:I think a Glitch flip would say more about me
Hopefully y'all don't push me all the way to hard claiming but if you do there is a way I can prove to you I'm town with my role if I stay alive N1 and we plan it out here D1. Let's just not do that though because I don't want scum knowing my PR until it is fully realized later on down the road.In post 1287, Pickaxe Pete wrote:For what it's worth, I've skimmed most of this today. I've done very little, well let's be honest, nothing, letting everyone else do the lifting because I'm terrible on Day 1, and this is a large so that multiplies my awful factor by, I don't know, infinity or something. The only interesting thing that's happened is Glitch's claim, which sounds as fake as a Souder end table. Up to that point I had no opinion of him because I'm lazy, but now I wouldn't mind seeing a lynch push through based on that alone, but I know that's not going to happen because as NoPower said we don't want to take that chance. But I've been burnt too many times by fake claims that can't be proven for days out "I'm an even night whatever" or something; "you guys want me around until Day 4." WTH so that means he's got a locked up slot if he's scum and if he's town I guess he dies tonight or something, so whatever.-
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