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[Momrangal]

Ego

VOTE: DBG

NEVER AGAIN

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Imo, let molla play. His alignment will be clear later on and hes a solidnhunter, boon for town if town

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And honestly mom whiteknighting the Miller claim makes me more suspicious

Bbmolla meta
Bbmolla meta
Bbmolla meta

Also you feel subdued this game. Have you rand scum?

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To be clear I don't mean this game, I mean so far

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Eyyy chk

I don't think you've even seen me under this acct before. Where you at this game

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Ego

VOTE: DBG

NEVER AGAIN

I saw that game haha but what about the trees game... or have you forgotten am that you were mafia in that game

Ur scummy ass never should have gotten away with it but I only have one vote

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wym fam I've definitely played with this account before. To the more important point here WHO THE FUCK ELSE ARE YOU!?

Good point!

I read, I think my vote on DBG is wrong but I don't wanna remove it.

Not liking gamma

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I also wanna pile on the newb for the statement but I'll behave

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What newb, and which statement

Quiet for the newbie tell

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I read, I think my vote on DBG is wrong but I don't wanna remove it.

Thats a weird statement.. Explain?

I think theyre town. They are playing boldly, and wildly and like they aren't really thinking things through. They were far cagier in yellowstone

Not liking gamma

What dont you like about them?

Nothing but gut. Also don't like NPOM, but multiple games is a legit reason.

I still am curious if he ever has rand scum yet

[Momrangal]

Awww

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Apparently not not_mafia

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I'm missing our resident senile senior citizen. Things are kinda lonely and quiet without them.

Speaking of Quiet, it's taking alot to not latch onto quiet. It's really disturbing how he's so focused on the fact that he's new and fresh and green player. I feel like alot of his post amounts to IIOA and doesn't really have much of a point but at the same time he's trying

really hard[/I[ to engage and interact with the people around him

I think I'm predisposed to not liking Norwee fellow and i personally don't see anything alarming about the hydrae

Which... Ironically is a point against space Hydra. I always have an impression on Gamma

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I'm a little worried about Nero, I expect him to have a little more game presence

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Omg

Gammas on his own here.

Just proves how underwhelming he is...

..... Oops

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I just think I have a thing against your playstyle, something I'll need to keep in mind while reading you

DBG

Infinity zero (gamma+infinity) who..... isn't here..

Gammas on his own

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Slots that i wish were more vocal -> Andresvmb, Nero Cain

Lurksack nero is definitely a worry but I feel like there may be other reasons he's not wholly here I outside of alignment

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I really can’t get over just how bad 317 is. I’m actually kind of surprised the wagon on Mini went away.

What's wrong with it? It looks like he's engaging imo

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Also when am I not scatterbrained?

D1 is always a shot in the dark

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VOTE: Andres

Going here

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Alot of it is gut, but i kinda feel like he's tagging easy fish

Pedit: ye I realized

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Humor me Mini, why am i a scumread of yours at this point?

I really can’t get over just how bad 317 is. I’m actually kind of surprised the wagon on Mini went away.

What's wrong with it? It looks like he's engaging imo

There’s a difference between engaging, and looking at votes on your slot and calling them all bad because there are no explicit reasons posted. It just struck me as a player that’s panicking. Now that could just be Town that is outraged at all the suspicion. But I’m just not impressed with stuff like that - it’s too inwardly focused.

Did you miss the entire catch up wall within the spoiler or something?

They only have a couple votes on them. If anything it sounds like an omgus vote but I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to feel like norwee may have just been looking for any reason there if we're to take his words for face value

[Momrangal]

Where did that quote come from rofl

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Plz no

Where did DK come from

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i have a daycop guilty on mini

I really hate that Mini’s catch up post with all my heart. But I’m starting to think that Mini is just Town that won’t help solve the game. They want to get to motivation but don’t really know how but ask why multiple times at one point for example, and just seem very defensive.

@Mini what do you think of my slot? Maybe this helps me sort you better.

This one did run away from me, but like I still don't understand how you can get such an impression when Mini isn't even talking about people on his wagon, save for his vote on norwee

[Momrangal]

Hey Ranny, what do you think about two slots going hard about the fact that they are newbs this gsme

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That's a really weird way to get me to back down on my interrogation on your pursuit of mini. I feel like they are being unfairly treated, and they are being railed on.

That entire quote strip talks about where he's at this game, and he's giving opinions on multiple things. You're making it seem like he's doing nothing but whining and complaining when that in itself is patently false

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All the pedits, that's in regards to andre

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Isn't it illegal to talk about why people replace out?

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Reason for replacement aside.
Their slot was scummy, was given a chance to prove they were town and didn’t.
Then NM started trolling.

They still haven’t towntold whatsoever and i think it would be a good elimination for today.

Mom I’ll tell you, I think you seem overly focused on trying to discredit one argument I made about Mini in a way that’s demonstrably false. Not a good look if you ask me.

This feels like a threat, and Its probably gonna give me a permanent scowl on my face like... The tone behind this is very... "Size me up I dare you"

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The points against NM is fair though, and I'm aware of cheekys preferences and NMs disposition to games but I would hate to lynch on policy, which is what it does kinda feel like to me

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That's probably as hard a claim as we get from NM

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Titus
Minimegabyte
DBG

NM

Andres
Nero
Vax
Luca
Norwee
Molla
Chk
Ranny
Norboy
Bypasser
Plusjoyed
Hayker

Quiet
Binatong
Gamma

[Momrangal]

My reads list is absolute shit.

Also that's a super specific claim that can't be tested until tomorrow night, but I don't think it's a claim that scum drops

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More likely than not, NM wouldn't have been pushed to L-1 and even if he did, there were just enough people giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't even need to claim.

I feel like the claim drop was a means to make people stop focusing on him which, overall helps the game state because the game is more than just NM so...

Let's do that?

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I could drop a vote on Ranny I think, there are to many slots that I don't have an opinion on but the last few sequence of his posts felt like shit

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You really should stick to one account, Allison

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Oh. That’s kind of powerful.

ARE WE DONE TALKING ABOUT CLAIMS

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Where are these quotes coming from

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Your current behavior with regards to something that was at-best antitown to mention at all doesn't really sit well with me.

Also yaaaaaay hella people are claiming D1 again. Good job, guys. You're really doing the job well here. [/sarcasm]

Sigh, a part of me is inclined to beleive Naive town, after they said what the said or, at the very least beleived it to be something protown. I know for a fact, if it caught such a thing I would hold it to me chest especially as scum

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I am thinking about Not_Mafia. They are trolling. My first game with them is they were scum.
They have also had many claims, from being a daymod to being even night neighborizer (idk what the role does). Then suddenly posts spam (scummy) posts.
Also their first read on me as top of the townread is pretty sus, I am being suspicioned by many people yet NM still had my name on top of the townread? Thats pretty sus.

You think NM is choosing you to pocket?

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I don't think bypassers interactions with NM make his alignment any more or less apparent.

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Yes

I hope I didn't use the wrong one

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Oops you did it again

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andres u were already revealed to be a fraud back in Bending smh my head

I'm dragging this game but like

Ever since DK slipped, I keep thinking they should be more paranoid about my slot than they've shown to be after their TR on me in alt mafia

[Momrangal]

Nero might legit be scum.
Since when is town!Nero this disinterested in a game.

Somethingsomethingongoingsomethingsomething and something else about him having just got back from V/la

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ur not even in my townlocks so what makes u think im not paranoid agbt u tho
/???

Maybe this is just me being overly neurotic and me overlooking your slot forgetting that you subbed into a scum-lean slot but I don't see signs of trying to sorting me out and stuff

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Just because he noticed something that happened recently doesn't he knows what's going on in the time that has passed while he was gone

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He did pop in and say he was gone for the weekend + I'm in private comms with him for reasons

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I mean, it also stands to reason that, when a person is gone, they would be more aware of what just happened and not What has happened while gone.

Also this game isn't an easy one to follow

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Wat?no

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Gaise hydrae exist

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Aside from that fact, were friends and we talk and I haven't heard from him in three days

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All I'm saying is nero isn't a good pursuit atm and using inactivity to scum read him is wrong.

Yes, I did say lurksack nero is something to worry about but I also noted his sitewide activity

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The definition of a lurker has changed quite a bit

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Oh, Im sorry.

I thought you were calling us lurkers because we have lives and can't post 50 posts a day

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I could say the exact same thing of you but I wouldn't call you a lurker

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Mmmm I feel like I was piggy backed pretty hard, I never expressed a TR on Nero, I just hated the reasons for the scum-reads on his slot

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I thought you were calling us lurkers because we have lives and can't post 50 posts a day

i mean, if i sat online all day and played mafia all day I prob could do it but....

I feel like our hydra drew scum just enough times that I understand that you have the instinct to get behind whoever it is that is correctly scum-reading your slot while keeping up your typical Nero sass regardless of that person current sway of the game state.

It almost feels like you're trying to continue to stay on my good side so that I'll defend you further

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but why Nero over either leading wagon?

This.

I'll VOTE: Nero Cain, as what has been said by Gamma, Norwigian, Mom is compelling enough to me. I think I put less weight in noticing the NM claim being scummy, and more weight in the unNero-like response.

But is Nero a viable wagon at this point in the day?

Otherwise, can we consolidate onto Hayker (or NM, or whoever else) and move forward?

Why couldn't Nero cain be a viable wagon?

What makes Hayker or NM more viable?

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Hayker has 5 votes, NM has 5 votes, and when mine is added Nero will have 4 votes

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I wanna be vote #7

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Ohhh a pagetop!

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There’s enough time, but I’d like to see an argument that’s not based on meta before I move my vote. There’s nothing I can say about meta.

There are three separate meta arguments now, two of them from players with reasonable familiarity with Nero Cain.

That aside, a portion of my push is as much meta as it is seeing the potential mindset that scum-nero may be having here. Despite my defense of Nero, I expressed that the read there was null. I can understand how someone can assume me defending means I'm townreading that slot but like, there was the immediate motion to remain a on my good side in the hopes that I will probably keep defending him.

A quick ISO of Nero shows that his early game is ok but for a large amount of his posts shortly after, he doesn't take much of a stance on anything. It's all "things could go either way" and alot of fence sitting. Not only is that atypical of Nero-town but all that fence sitting could be used to look reasonably engaged, but in reality he is not

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Is it 5?

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I see norwee, gamma, you, quiet

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My hammer finger is twitching, don't play with meeeee

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LUCA TOOK MY HAMMER WHILE I WAS IN BED

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VOTE: nero

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Nero, you aren't making a whole lotta sense.

If I wanted to get the town credit for defending you, why in the hell would I 180 on that read and push?

I agree Norwees meta on you amounts to horseshit and amounts that BOP at the end of the day, but Sugar cain has drawn scum at least twice in the past, in my memory and I am pretty sure we shared a scum team at least once.

What I expect from town nero at that point is a bit of paranoia in my defense of you not whatever that speculation was.

I'll also be honest and say your response to my response to Ranny made me laugh, but it served no purpose other than to be friendly towards my slot, at the point of the game where friendly feel-outs are well in the past

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I disagree on gamma, we got scum pings on the same post for two different reasons

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His reads are lazy and terrible, Andres. He hasn't bothered with a proper catch-up at all. He's basically just throwing out OMGUS reads.

For a guy all about meta, you ignore the fact that not catching up is meta for some. Or at least it was.

How do you feel about the fact that he's focusing solely on the weakest of the three meta reads on Nero?

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Does he think he's gonna be town read off your green flip? I'm not getting that vibe from chk

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Well, that's fair but I'm getting the impression that chks is a more null read and he's referring to Gamma more than anything.

@titus

Norwee, Gamma and I all presented meta arguments and Norwee has been the most present and widely based on Nero's activity or lack of thereoff and BOP while Gamma and I have both provided insight on the probable mindset of scum!nero.

The only one Luca has acknowledged however was Norwees

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U think ur so funneh

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PAPA RANGER ERRRR

I got a town read on your slot, don't mess it up~

Also, what's your sisters alignment?

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.....

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Momma ranger sads

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Why would you be wk'd?

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Fuck quoting on mobile.
I’m trying to get a tiny part of a post but it only get’s the entire thing.
Anyway, my reaction to Mini’s death is that there is no way scum killed them for any other reason than as a fear kill. Which immediately makes me paranoid of Titus.
I’m sorry if you’re town Titus but this is the first thought in my mind.

We’re not doing this. Not nearly enough reason to execute Titus.

Since when did you become town leader? I don’t care if you don’t like the evidence. There is literally no reason for Mathblade to die unless someone familiar with their game that KNOWS they’ll get caught by them repping in argued for their death. Titus probably argued in scum PT of how important it is to kill Mathblade and thus it happened.

And who made YOU Town Leader with your crap logic about Nero?

Cheap discredit.

VOTE: Titus

?????

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Andre, level with me.

I know I pushed you yesterday but today you are one of my top town reads.

Did something happen overnight to put you over the edge on Luca?

Also, I'm down with Quiet, also have a PoE scum read on Vax. Hayker is also town

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VOTE: norfolk boy

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Andre
Gamma
Bina

Dbg
Math/mini
Norwee
Norfolk
Ranny

Hayker

Dk
Titus
NPOM

Luca

plus
Vax
Molla


That's what overnight fermentation got me, below Hayker is null to null scum

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^Sideline me*

Thunk he could possibly have an ego that's bigger than his actual game value?

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WAIT WHY IS MATH LOWER LMAO

I MADE THIS OVERNIGHT SMH

Quiet is with Luca and you're in my null pile


You're also one of the ISOs I wanted to do but didn't get around to

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Andres might be scum
He has several people he suspects who are obvtown imo and I’m not a fan of that

I feel like there can only be one scum between andre and Luca and I feel Luca is more likely

[Momrangal]

Andre
Gamma
Bina
Math/mini
NM

Dbg
Norwee
Ranny

Hayker

Dk
Titus
NPOM

Luca
Quiet

plus
Vax
Molla
Norfolk

This is what I would edit it to, based off today

[Momrangal]

Mmmm... Maybe

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His push on you is either a frame or a distance

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VOTE: norfolk

Gucci

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Just hammer, there's no point in prolonging this

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I think you're scum too man

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VOTE: nm

We had as much info yesterday as we did today try again

[Momrangal]

I hate that wifom.

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No

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You aren't wiggling out this

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Hero solve

NM/norwee/quiet

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Do you think my interactions with Cheeky/N_M have been indicative of scum?

I dun see why not

Pedit: I haven't played larges in a while.

The only two other scum reads Im playing with is Luca and plus, but plus is a lurker

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Ever since NM replaced D1, you two have been dancing around each other. It was clear that you didn't like the person behind the slot but you were the farthest from the most vocal pusher on that wagon but when nero comes around you suddenly become "town leader" ignoring the fact that there were two other people who were far more familiar with Nero defending him. Eventually those two people voted him, but for whatever reason you were the only one who had any authority on Nero and even the past two days, you're trying to control the game state, stating the obvious and trying to get all the town cred from pushing nm today even though it was the obvious choice. You're trying to make it like you would get town cred from the NM push today when in reality you shouldn't

[Momrangal]

I'm not going to have my voice drowned out today and hopefully tomorrow and I'm not keen on letting you get the town leader position you are clearly trying to grab to manipulate town into the dirt.

[Momrangal]

This day

This entire day

Is going to be nothing but NM, how he fucked up and what he should and shouldn't do

All this day will be is noise for scum.

We need to end today, now. No body is going through be hunting today because everyone will be focused on NM

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THIS DAY NEEDS TO END NOW

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NO BODY IS GOING TO STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE A PLAYER NM IS AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR HIS ALIGNMENT UNTIL HES DEAD

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The only thing NM can do is hope and plead that all his AtE will make it so that we all decided to let him be and the only way this stops is if NM is limmed with his alignment clear

Pedit: good question @ranny

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NM is a troll, but even as a troll, there was a plusibility that he had a PR that could work for town. That plausibility has been tried and tested and proven wrong at this point. NM continues to feed us with this AtE bullshit, promising that he can still help town and each day we let that go, is another possible two townies dead that can actually help the game state. Each day that goes on is noise that scum can hide under If in the event NM is town. This needs to stop

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VOTE: norwee

Scum for reasons outlined yesterday.

[Momrangal]

I'm going to keep up my belief that Momrangal and Andresvmb are just bad players, but having 2 votes on me when i was one of the main driving forces in eliminating scum yesterday kinda hurts my pride and makes me want to scumread them.

This is exactly what I was talking about there was no drive by force, NM made his own grave

[Momrangal]

I don't remember you pushing cheeky. I remember DK being the biggest cheeky pusher. I also recall another slot that is notnyou

[Momrangal]

If you really, really want me to I can strong man a lynch on you.

Like, what kind of clout do you think you have that you can make such confident statement rofl

[Momrangal]

Hey Luca, instead of diverting the focus, why don't you look at norwee and state how he isn't scum trying to ride on some kind of town cred he should have for bussing NM

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Uh-huh... Ok

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Andre isn't an old grandpa player?

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I cases norwee yesterday

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Ever since NM replaced D1, you two have been dancing around each other. It was clear that you didn't like the person behind the slot but you were the farthest from the most vocal pusher on that wagon but when nero comes around you suddenly become "town leader" ignoring the fact that there were two other people who were far more familiar with Nero defending him. Eventually those two people voted him, but for whatever reason you were the only one who had any authority on Nero and even the past two days, you're trying to control the game state, stating the obvious and trying to get all the town cred from pushing nm today even though it was the obvious choice. You're trying to make it like you would get town cred from the NM push today when in reality you shouldn't

I'm not going to have my voice drowned out today and hopefully tomorrow and I'm not keen on letting you get the town leader position you are clearly trying to grab to manipulate town into the dirt.

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And then he goes in today completely shutting down any validity andre and I may have in regards to finding and lynching scum, essentially equating us to shit players when I know I'm from it and when Andre seems like a highly logical player

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Flipped town green, flipped scum red

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I'm not in the best mindspace for mafia but like, its basically associatives between norwee and NM/cheeky

[Momrangal]

Vax, mini = Math

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DBG
Gamma
Bina
Andre

BB
chk
Hayker

Titus

Norwee
Quiet
Plus
Luca
Vax

Molla and Chk went from null-scum to null-town. Idr why, gonna look into that later but not interested in a push made by Luca

Also, consider me

V/la: for two days

I'm sick of mafia atm

[Momrangal]

Are you actually trying to say that I'm scum because I just stated that I'm fucking V/LA, quiet?

Because please. Show me any other time where I reduced the amount of effort and posting that is have done this game, at all.

Also please tell me when the fuck did I sheep people, and just "went with flow"

D1 when everyone wanted to go for lurker lynches vs lynches on active people and I said fuck that?

Or when I hard defended Nero recognizing that he was pushed for bullshit reasons before I let paranoia led me to be one of the leading voices of that wagon?

Or was it D2 when we literally supposedly had a guilty?

Or maybe D3 when I was screaming to not let NM off the fucking hook when it was clear that not lynching NM right away could actually mean he had a chance to get away even when his alignment was made clear? When everyone was keen to have a discussion even though it was only going to be muddied by the fact that Not Mafia was still alive?

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AND WHERE THE FUCK do you get off saying that I haven't been doing shit all the past three game days when I had spent all my time interacting with everyone so that I could guage their alignment?

Meanwhile, while I was doing that, you are sitting there, content with looking pretty, looking like you were contributing to shit when you were not contributing to anything worthwhile to the game at all.

Every other post you made was you talking about how fresh and green you are, how you shit all about the game and asking for advice but never even actually using it

[Momrangal]

I made it clear that I am not in the best fucking mindspace for mafia and you go and decide that it's fucking ok to make an attack based on that fact, like what the fuck type of human being are you

[Momrangal]

Babies are the most therapeutical things ever.

First thing I'd like to do is apologize to quiet. You didn't do anything wrong, I misread a post and took out some rage on you. That was out of line, and why people shouldn't play mafia when stressed the fuck out

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I’m probably content to sheep Andres and Mom

Mom why are you so convinced on Nor?

Not as convinced as I thought. I don't like the fact that they are trying to be the big voice, and not listening to anyone else who has an opposing opinion on them.

However, I am more than sure that Luca is scum here, and I'm very certain that the interactions between them and Luca are not indicative of partners. What it's more indicative of, is Luca making an attempted to pocket norwees slot.

Similarly, despite how much I feel that Quiets IIOA makes him feel like scum here, I don't see newb scum openly defending their buddy and asking people what they think about him, and his play

[Momrangal]

My current Hero solve is

Luca/plus/???

Third slot was Quiet but like.... Unlikely for reasons outlined.

[Momrangal]

I’m sorry if i’ve hurt your feelings in my desire to win this game, but when i have a hunch of a scumread i will fight for it @Momrangal

It isn't about my feelings here. It's about the fact that, by taking a leadership slot, you can outright manipulate the town and, I don't think you deserve such a position. I'm also not the only one who has brought this up when it comes to your scum equity this game

Rethinking mini.

Vax moves from null-scum to null-town. Post rings genuine in ways that can't be described in words

Hey Luca, instead of diverting the focus, why don't you look at norwee and state how he isn't scum trying to ride on some kind of town cred he should have for bussing NM

Norwegian is well out of his scum range imo.

Well ok. Why are your reads so shallow? Why is your first thought, regarding this post is "look at mara deflecting off her partner!" When it should be "why is she not Interested in molla and more interested in Norwee"

Also, molla is low hanging fruit at this point in the game. What benefit would I get from blatant redirection?

Also to the point, why are you far more interested in pushing the easy slots and town-reading the more active slots. Even at this point in time, you haven't expressed much of a scum read on me until I took the V/La
quote="In post 2913 , Andresvmb"]VOTE: Titus

I don’t think we’ve pressured here enough, and I think this could also be Scum. There’s a lot of promises of work but nothing that’s actually done, and an admission that Not_Mafia’s flip makes them look bad.[/quote]
If I were to be looking for an infiltration in my town reads, I would go for Titus first but I don't think I am at that point yet

VOTE: Titus

Reason:
A: Mathblade kill points to Titus
B: Their VCA is bad and they are pushing the vote on likely town.

This was brought up D2. I know Titus and math are twins, I'm pretty sure a fair amount of this playlist do as well. Just because you're the only one who's voiced it, doesn't mean others haven't been thinking it. I thought math was a Titus frame, and if scum wanted to follow through with the Titus frame this would be the first post I would make

With the VC having NM at 6 votes and PlusJOYED at 5, Momrangal comes out with a classic soft partner defence:

The points against NM is fair though, and I'm aware of cheekys preferences and NMs disposition to games but I would hate to lynch on policy, which is what it does kinda feel like to me

Here it also seems that she is trying to push the attention away from Not_Mafia post-claim.

More likely than not, NM wouldn't have been pushed to L-1 and even if he did, there were just enough people giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't even need to claim.

I feel like the claim drop was a means to make people stop focusing on him which, overall helps the game state because the game is more than just NM so...

Let's do that?

This is just about all Momrangal had to say about the NM slot D1.

I just realised BBMolla also changed from PlusJOYED to Hayker for no apparent reason:

VOTE: Plusjoyed

VOTE: Hayker

What happened to cause this change in vote, when both have barely posted since D1? It seems as though he just wanted a cheap bit of distancing, further supporting my BBMolla/Momrangal/PlusJOYED theory.

I would need to look back to see if Luca was one of the pushers of plus because if he isn't, than this push here would make sense if he is partnered with plus

They are pairing me with them and pushing me first. When I flip town, it would give scum!Luca enough doubt to not make a push on scum buddy plusjoyed the next day.

I'm not one to complain about being townread, but why is Momrangal slamming other players for "bus'ing" when I think I "bus'sed" N_M the hardest?

You do realize, I sniffed out scum-dbg a mile away in yellow stone.

Also @anyone, stealing a question from Gamma.

Are today’s posts within Luca’s scumrange? Do scum frame people using prev quotes like this with much frequency, or is this as towny as it’s starting to seem to me?

Luca is pretty good as scum, but i do believe his level of effort is pretty townie here. As scum he can be consistent and political, but hus level of effort isn’t up to par. So yes i’m quite ready to lock Luca as town by this point.

Yeah, Norwee is very likely a Luca-pocket

Oh hey two pages of back and forth between Molla and Luca. Molla hard TRs me but we're still buddies togethe good times.

@mom

Again, I apologise for my reaction for this entire wall. I don't remember even asking for your opinion on (chk?) Though. What prompted this?

My guess right now would be BBMolla, Momrangal, PlusJOYED scumteam, presuming there's four in total.

Wow

Did I hit the jackpot?

DING DING DING

Ur a troll wrap b4 ppl take this for srs

Also, we really should have executed Hayker. How is that player not Scum again? Molla just seems like Town to me based on today.

How can we be mind-melding one moment and the next we're like oil and water? My experience with you is like a rollercoaster. I'm more than sure that Hayker is town here

If there’s a Town rolecop who visited Momrangal N3 then they should claim - because if there isn’t then she is Town.

Hot take!

Rolefishing disguised in a pro-town manner. I would bet that, if Luca is scum as I suspect, there is a town RC this game and Luca wants to know who they are so they can take them out

I made it clear that I am not in the best fucking mindspace for mafia and you go and decide that it's fucking ok to make an attack based on that fact, like what the fuck type of human being are you

Makes me think quiet might be scum given similar rationale was used on Nero why not try it again?

With Norwee at the head of the nero lynch that would mean He and Quiet would be scum together for Quiets push on Chk.

It would also mean they are scum with Luca for his push on the lurker slots, and what he perceived to hear slot that wouldn't push back. What I think is more likely is the scum team here saw town make such a push so they might be copying that

[Momrangal]

I would need to look back to see if Luca was one of the pushers of plus because if he isn't, than this push here would make sense if he is partnered with plus

They are pairing me with them and pushing me first. When I flip town, it would give scum!Luca enough doubt to not make a push on scum buddy plusjoyed the next day

HEY!

HEY HEY HEY

[Momrangal]

VOTE: plus

Red flip here = Luca!scum

[Momrangal]

Because now that I'm cleared, the same shitty logic is being used in regards to molla slot. Not only that, Luca is using that logic preemptively.

[Momrangal]

This is such moonlogic.

Titus doesn't do moonlogic as scum. Or at least, not as much as she does it at town

[Momrangal]

Binatog’s information confirms Momrangal as town.
Thank god, now i can ignore the slot safely.

Do you want to when it has already been proven that your logic in regards to how you make your reads shit and I have made accurate solves?

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

[Momrangal]

I REPEAT A RED FLIP ON PLUS WOULD MEAN A RED FLIP ON LUCA

[Momrangal]

@Momrangal
You were suspecting and voting me earlier so why would i think you have accurate solves?

Just because I'm wrong on slot at doesn't mean my reads are wrong on other ones.

[Momrangal]

Cool, then you should be fine with voting them then?

I'll so the promised iso on you, but like I don't really understand why plus was in every PoE you made until they started getting heat

I also don't understand why you think scum would come out and WK each other here

[Momrangal]

Mmmm...

I could be wrong on Luca too

[Momrangal]

I would need to look back to see if Luca was one of the pushers of plus because if he isn't, than this push here would make sense if he is partnered with plus

They are pairing me with them and pushing me first. When I flip town, it would give scum!Luca enough doubt to not make a push on scum buddy plusjoyed the next day

HEY!

HEY HEY HEY

[Momrangal]

It was a gut feels on that, but it's pretty weird that Luca was willing to tie me to plus and then, when. I became pretty much cleared, he's content to just shift the solve to Molla/Plus/???

But, again push molla over plus.

Then move the solve away entirely from plus joyed when more people join in on the wagon todag

[Momrangal]

He is telling the truth, though in the regards to him being one of the biggest sticklers on plus D1 so... Not sure if he would turn around the bus into a creeping into a plus!defense here

[Momrangal]

He's also entirely ok with lynching lurkers D1 and now he's ok with lynching molla today. It looks like he's going after entirely within the HLF.

Such a idea is only strengthened when one looks at the fact that he was sxum-reading Mini but town-read that slot when a more active DKkoba filled it in.

[Momrangal]

I look forward to it.

Mom, Mini wasn't Koba but fair points.

Or rather Koba wasn't... Mini was... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WRONG SLOT

Pftttttt

It's 8AM here. Still, though. I'm trying to parse why the sudden backing down on plusjoyed and lucas scum-reads on easier to lynch slots.

Pedit: gamma could be another infiltrated town read but I'm pretty sure Hayker and Vax are town

[Momrangal]

Andre, Andre, Andre

I don't think you need to worry about plus flipping town

[Momrangal]

Andre, if I'm right about certain pt that can influence your reads I need to know, because it will definitely lend credence to Luca!scum here

[Momrangal]

I mean I get it, but I'm looking more at Luca than I am looking at yours. I would admit that I am a bit curious on why you thought you would receive shit for flipping Luca from town to scum D1 but if I'm right, it means he was trying to pocket you and his shift on his read to you today is the result of the failed pocket

[Momrangal]

I don't know why you think BBMolla is a policy yeet. He was already scummy before all his AtE antics.

And a BBMolla elim tells us a lot. He makes sense as a partner to all the suspect slots in the game.

And when he flips town?

[Momrangal]

Just do it

[Momrangal]

Please?

[Momrangal]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

[Momrangal]

Also molla absolutely has me and DBG on his side off the top of my head. Not sure where he's getting the notion that none of the leaders got his back

[Momrangal]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

My exact reaction with your PoE

Talk to me about Vax

All town Mom. Christ.

[Momrangal]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

All town Mom. Christ.

My exact reaction with your PoE

Talk to me about Vax

Trying it again

[Momrangal]

Really suspicious of Titus today.
They said if Plus flips town then Andre is scum, and that reads to me as chaining miseliminations.
VOTE: Titus

Chaining is a Titus specialty, NAI.

It's NAI? Plus is town and Andres i read as also likely to be town.
Titus has been pushing nothing but town slots.

What she means is, Titus does this as town alot due to her VCA. She is the weakest of my scum reads.

[Momrangal]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Vax, Titus, Luca?

All town Mom. Christ.

Why is Luca town? Ignore VCA for this.

Half for the reason of my read isn't something that is for me to say if you get what I'm saying. His position towards Andre within the thread is telling, however and and I feel like he's been playing it safe all game.

[Momrangal]

Oh, gamma was asking for titus' read on luca

[Momrangal]

Titus
Vaxkiller


Luca Blight




chkflip


Town without a doubt
Andre
DBG
Bina
Gamma

Town
Hayker
Norwee
Molla

Null

Scum
Titus
Vax
Luca
Chk

[Momrangal]

We know the Rolecop targeted Mom the night before

The quiet kill is really random and weird

You mean roleblocker

[Momrangal]

Oh

Ye.

I'm VT, they aren't worried about me

[Momrangal]

I was rolecopped and Norwee was lazy roleblocker, I double checked

[Momrangal]

Why is Momrangal Town? Please elaborate.

I can semi-confirm that Momrangal is town (for now). But there is also possibility that they are scum too, but high chance of being town, although I don't like their read on Norwegian as scum.

Spoiler: Nothing

Momrangal was visited by a Rolecop (Night 3). I know that Town Role Watcher died, this might make me suspicious after all. This reveals my role after all. For me, this is the right time to claim my role for potential early game solve.

Spoiler: Town!Norwegian

He is trying to solve the game. For me, his reads are accurate. Norwegian was visited by Lazy Roleblocker (Night 2).

I can also say that Gamma is town due to his current reads rn.

[Momrangal]

Excuse my phone norwee

[Momrangal]

I don't see why they would try to save NM considering the fact that the entire slot wasn't doing themselves any favors until NM repped in and that's a stretch to save. It was a lost cause slot in their eyes, I know for a fact that if I was scum there I would d
put no effort in saving that slot

[Momrangal]

Scum are PR hunting, and with 4 nights to cop, the pool is likely shrinking.

They got lucky N1 and got a PR.
My guess is N2 the copped Ranny hence his kill N3
I checked Vanilla N3, come N4 we have

Titus-???
Vaxkiller-???
DrippingGoofball
Momrangal-VT
Luca Blight-???
Binatog13- role watcher (universal backup)
NorwegianboyEE-???
Gamma Emerald-???
BBMolla-???
chkflip-???
Hayker-???
Andresvmb-???
Quiet-???

There are nine question marks, probably only 8 for the scum team, and three of those question marks are very likely to be scum.

That reduced the question marks to 5 so they had a 1 in 5 chance to hit another PR if they ignored me last night

[Momrangal]

1 in 6, I missed the DBG

[Momrangal]

If they wanted to grab a PR, over VT, quiet kill is not as random as we think

[Momrangal]

You're the VCA master, you tell us

[Momrangal]

VCA skim incriminates Norwee and CHK

That took 5 minutes!

[Momrangal]

Titus should be able to explain it

[Momrangal]

I played a game with Mom!town a while ago and she was super mason with MathBlade. She was super active and aggressive. I found her more subdued this game. I thought if scum, she might be the one doing the NK.

Are you sure you aren't remembering the scene from the scum lense of the game?

I tunneled one person entirely D1 and once Math repped in, he did most of the talking in the actual thread

[Momrangal]

Also, paranoia is paranoia Andre. DBG does have all the reason to be paranoid of me here. In fact, their entire stance against me from D1 makes sense

[Momrangal]

My biggest issue, or maybe it's should be a non issue, is that everyone is coming to the same consensus reads

[Momrangal]

I feel like your read of me here should be shaken up from pokemon

[Momrangal]

Gamma, where are you at with your reads currently?

[Momrangal]

VOTE: chk
???

[Momrangal]

Norwee

Vouyer IS town role-watcher

[Momrangal]

Bina is probably universal backup

[Momrangal]

Bina could see what role visited him target.
He could watch for a role, but not who did it.

He also claimed action every night but N1

[Momrangal]

Chkflip's ISO shows at certain points that he is trying to force any role cops to claim.

This is actually the opposite of what I was doing, so it's super fucking weird to me that this is your narrative. Especially since wasn't it you who was pushing for "if the Role Cop doesn't claim, Mom is cleared and they're scum" if I recall?

That was Luca. And I so kinda agree, Norwee is being kinda cute with his take on DBG/chk

[Momrangal]

Norwee, why are you putting more focus on DBGs claim. Is there a reason why you think Chks role isn't the more likely mafia role in this case or is there a reason why you think chk is telling the truth

[Momrangal]

She's playing horribly which... Isn't too uncommon for town!Titus and she is making horrible pushed, and terrible connections using her VCA and all that with how much conviction she has behind the VCA is strongly indicative of town Titus and while I would be ok with getting rid of the noise I would much rather make a push on scum

[Momrangal]

Titus is scums best friend

[Momrangal]

ookie dookie

VOTE: Momrangal

[Momrangal]

I saw no counter claim to DBG

[Momrangal]

That's... crazy detailed. Exactly why I use it (and I trust you to regardless of alignment give me a jumping point). But technically that post is IIoA. Heh.

Pedit: you're being very persnickety for someone who was counter offered.

I know whether Titus, Mom, quiet, and you are vanilla or not. In that order. My reads have followed that train if you'd like to go back and check. No crumbs, but before I knew there was whatever the fuck a Doctor Tracker is flip TOWN I'm very much in the camp that the Role Cop is scum.

I did say Mom was vanilla before she claimed it, though.

I said that at some point yesterday.

Y'know gaize...

He could actually just be a scum nilla cop. This is as close to a scum claim as we get, can't believe I missed it.

Quiet was checked by chk two nights ago and last night quiet gets killed, go figure

[Momrangal]

VOTE: chk I'm done playing around

[Momrangal]

Momrangal was visited by a Rolecop (Night 3). I know that Town Role Watcher died, this might make me suspicious after all. This reveals my role after all. For me, this is the right time to claim my role for potential early game solve.

[Momrangal]

Hmmmm

[Momrangal]

Where's your cop crumb?

[Momrangal]

Oh, I misread, your hilarious sarcasm has not gotten less hilarious over time.

We both know that could come from either town or scum you though

[Momrangal]

What I find interesting though, is that more than just DBG had expressed a scum read on that slot but instead, you go for some kinda weird AtE discredit pocket atempt towards their slot and making it seem like them reading you as scum here is them being old and senile

[Momrangal]

Also, I can admit that my scum read on Luca could be wrong. His push against chk here does not read like a bus

[Momrangal]

VOTE: titus

She's either scum here, or someone who's going to lose eylo for us sooo

[Momrangal]

Vax, Titus, Chk?

[Momrangal]

I'm not fond of the attacks on the lowest posters.

Hayker has been active when he has posted, made prodding reads and engaged when he can. Nothing in his iso is empty, I would bet that he's just a busy body

[Momrangal]

Oh how I'm loving actually being 100% confirmed town now

Oh bina~

[Momrangal]

Bina

Gamma
Norwee
Andres

Molla

Luca
Hayker

Vax

[Momrangal]

VOTE: Vax

Boi all your strongest scum-reads were all on town

[Momrangal]

Hmm isn't it feasible that Chkflip and DGB could both be town?

@Gamma

EDIT:
Wops i didn't move Chkflip.

Leave alive:

Norwee
Luca Blight - Town by play.
Gamma Emerald - Town by play
DrippingGoofball - Town PR and town by play
Andresvmb - Town by play
Momrangal - Cleared town and town by play.
Binatog13 - Town PR and town by play.
chkflip - Town PR


Hence, THIS should be our PoE today. Not in Chkflip/DGB.

Titus
Vaxkiller
BBMolla
Hayker

I mean...

[Momrangal]

I think we should have a mass claim todag

[Momrangal]

I mean...


Bina - Role watcher (universal backup)
Gamma-???
Norwee-???
Andres- ???
Molla -???
Luca - ???
Hayker - ???
Vax - ???

I mean, more than likely, there is one person left who scum know the role of in this pool and there can't be to many prs left out there

I also have a theory and I want to see if it's right.

[Momrangal]

This was brought up D2. I know Titus and math are twins, I'm pretty sure a fair amount of this playlist do as well. Just because you're the only one who's voiced it, doesn't mean others haven't been thinking it. I thought math was a Titus frame, and if scum wanted to follow through with the Titus frame this would be the first post I would make

[Momrangal]

Dbg, molla, chk, myself, NM, apparently Norwee know.


Luca, Vax, bypasser, and Gamma likely know as well

[Momrangal]

I think Vax is the vote for today, and likely there is one more scum outside of him and that scum is going to be a bit harder to find, but not impossible to do