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[NorwegianboyEE]

That weird awkward PR crumb is why i think Binatog is likely town btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it'd be better if Binatog just claimed what their role is and results so far because this is just going to be confusing otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Obviously it's bad that they had to claim, but it's not really our fault when he already did by his own voalition.

[NorwegianboyEE]

unless the kill on Math had separate utility for them.

It was night 1 so unless scum team somehow was informed then it doesn't make much sense for the slot to be killed. Unless specifically it was done for the WIFOM of implicating you. (which i know isn't true because nobody other than me brought it up or probably would even know about the history. And i certainly didn't plan the kill)
It was a really odd kill and i don't know who else would do it and for what reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1,

Rannygazoo [E-5]

PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb,

Bypasser Catcher

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball [E-6]
Hayker (5):

Rannygazoo,

Andresvmb, BBMolla,

Bypasser Catcher,

Titus [E-6]
Nero Cain (4): NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, chkflip, quiet

Both NKs after Math have been on Hayker. Why pick off the very people reading the game wrong? They would have to know they are PRs. So either scum knew they were PRs or we had S v S wagons.

Are you saying Hayker is slaying his enemies at night?

I suppose that is an intriguing explanation for deaths so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The sad thing about wagoning Hayker/Plusjoyed is that they are the easiest eliminations ever if town.
But if they are really just going to not participate then i guess i'll vote there in the hope that they eventually do.

Maybe they are the type of players that can't do fuckall until they are E-1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Binatog

Can you please clarify your claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Binatog’s information confirms Momrangal as town.
Thank god, now i can ignore the slot safely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to figure out what is going on with this one.
VOTE: PlusJoyed

[NorwegianboyEE]

If a town rolecop target her then it will be clear at some point so even if we're not laying it down as 100% proof it's at least enough to leave the slot alone until the period where it might or might not be confirmed if the one that target her was scum aligned or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Mod
Can we get a VC?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Consider also that Binatog revealed a lazy roleblocker. Which is most likely a town role. So that makes it even more likely that the rolecop is a scum alligned role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Binatog13 and Momrangal are confirmed town now. I highly doubt Binatog would be able to pull some form of gambit where he fakes his role here as scum. (And definitely not in the way he did)
As for Momrangal one should always assume that a player targeted by a scum investigative role is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

MathBlade,

Town Role Watcher

, killed night 1
Rannygazoo,

Town Odd Nights Rolestopper

, killed night 3

According to Binatog's claim (which i believe 100%)
Town has together with the ones above:

Town Voyeur

And a

Town Lazy Roleblocker

It doesn't make sense for us to also have a rolecop. Town would be too stacked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How many votes are they on?
I miiiiiight consider going there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca Blight (3): Andresvmb, BBMolla, NorwegianboyEE

Que?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway fine, i like voters on this wagon. And i'm not impressed by Mollas AtE.
VOTE: BBMolla

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually yeah, what makes you think Plus is town Luca? I don't see how there's enough info to sort them one way or the other.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only reason i'm hesitant is just because Titus and Chkflip is voting there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In what way are they Nero Cain?
Is it in any way that can't be faked?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because if you're referring to their salty reaction to suspicion then i don't see why that couldn't be faked.
Even N_M leaned heavily on the "This is the THIRD mislim!!" angle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless you have Andres as scum, just how is this a scum counterwagon to Cheeky?

I mean it's not that hard to believe from Luca's perspective here.
If you and Andres could be scum, then N_M is voting me to not put his mark on the wagon (as he knows he will likely flip soon and it will look too good for Plusjoyed if he also is voting there)
If it was SvS why wouldn't N_M double down on voting the Plusjoyed wagon to make Plus or himself look very town once one of them flips?

[NorwegianboyEE]

His AtE, like you said. Tbh, I am partially skimming BBMolla circlejerk. It's against the votes.

The Molla wagon didn't start because of AtE and calling it a circlejerk seems a bit overly shading.
Why do you so strongly believe Molla is town Titus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

NM and Plusjoyed are both PRs in the SvS scenario, thus bussing would be discouraged.

How do you know Plus would be a PR?

[NorwegianboyEE]

NM and Plusjoyed are both PRs in the SvS scenario, thus bussing would be discouraged.

How do you know Plus would be a PR?

Because scum would bus a goon to save the Strongman.

This is such moonlogic.
I'm starting to believe that you and BBMolla are both scum and you are grasping here with flimsy reasoning to save him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting i'm scum?
Why would i work so hard to defend a shit slot such as Plusjoyed over BBMolla in any world if that's the case?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If it were up to me i'd toss them all into the grinder until scum has been found.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Momrangal
You were suspecting and voting me earlier so why would i think you have accurate solves?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who would most likely be alligned with Plusjoyed if they flip scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanted to know if you had anything beyond issues with their posting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

PlusJoyed can you just come in here and selfvote if you are scum tnx.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i certainly hope they didn't expect showers of praise and flower petals dancing in the air when their play is to literally just make 1 bad post and then leave.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well except Luca. That slot is still very much Scum.

So you vote BBMolla but Luca is scum?
Luca is on the wagon you know?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you’re going to be introspective then might as well add on that you are wrong about Luca too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you’re going to be introspective then might as well add on that you are wrong about Luca too.

You don’t think Scum ever bus eh?

Of course i do, i’m not stupid.
But if you read events of today and think Luca is bussing BBMolla then idk what to tell you man. I think it’s just tunneling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As in, i think you might be just tunneling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But overall Mom I don’t have much reason to be skeptical of slots SR’ing me. If anything, I find it surprising that so many slots found worthwhile to *defend* me as Town here. Way too many people correctly concluded that I was Town but just way off. I haven’t even gathered much in the form of votes.

Your level of effort is probably making it difficult for any scum to attack you.
Much easier to push weaker slots that won’t fight back such as Plusjoyed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus linking you to the Plus flip but not actively pushing for you pings me heavily btw.
Pretty sure Titus is scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andres is lockscum in the Plus town universe.

Literally setting up for your miselimination tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here’s what’s going to happen:

"Plus flips town"
Titus: My god, a totally not active slot flipped town who could have seen this coming? Good thing my trusty VCA™ confirms Andres as scum now, whew. Who could have seen that one coming?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yep, i believe you've finally reached enlightenment and ascended, Luca.
Vote BBMolla if you are not scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They are E-6, can we get 2 more heroes in here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean they have 6 votes, so they are E-2.
Wopsie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus pre-emptively explaining how: "Andre is scum if Plus flips town" makes me thing it's not SvS though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why tho?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey look, it wasn't your last post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're right.
I don't see that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t care for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like sure, treat me as the bad guy and boo me if Molla is town.
But this AtE is just bad and should be ignored.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE (The only competent one imo that is voting me. What are your reads Norwegian that you think the wagon on me is good?)

Are you throwing Burden of Proficiency at me?
Of the unconfirmed town i read Gamma, Luca, Andres, DPG, Quiet as town. That means i am sorting in: Plusjoyed, BBMolla, Chkflip, Titus, Vaxkiller, Hayker.
Of the two wagons the one on you has most of my townreads, meanwhile my scumreads are pushing PlusJoyed.
So what makes you think i would be prioritizing Plus as my elimination of choice? I’m unfazed by your AtE. I do like your recent solvey posts better, but until you can explain in which manner the interactions between N_M and Luca/Gamma make them more likely scum i don’t see a big reason to change my vote yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiets suggestion to just vote Titus might tempt me more than changing my vote to Plus.
But you seem to suggest they are town, which i clearly disagree with.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why has the Hayker content that has convinced the others that they are town not convinced you?

I'm townreading Hayker the most out of my unsorted to be fair so i'm somewhat convinced, just not 100%.

So, if you were given info that I was town, you would admit that at least one of your town reads are wrong?

or do you think my wagon can possibly be all town even if I'm town?

Well this depends on PlusJoyed's alignment as well, but if you are town then i will likely question my reads a bit. Seeing as the competition has been so tight between the two so i'd need to address that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the simpler solution for me is there are two scum already on the wagon hoping it'll go through, even more sense if Plusjoyed is also scum

BBMolla (5): Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, Hayker, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE

And you are saying these two are most likely Luca and Gamma?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I won't cry tears of sorrow if Plus does end up getting limmed here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't discuss replacements yo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

once I read Titus's ISO I realized how much our gamethoughts align

Hencewhy I want their possible scumteams because I'm having trouble

We need to yeet plusJOYED. If we wait, someone is going to come in on a white horse calling them town and there's a nonzero chance you'll be yeeted instead!

Why are you in such a rush?
It's generally accepted that most scum hate replacements because they can come in and save a good miselimination slot by obvtowning. So you trying to fast forward it is something that doesn't sit right with me.
I think you're townie otherwise, but i do strongly dislike this post from you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus is much more stubborn with their VCA as town.
Them saying they "lost the mojo for this game" sounds like scum Titus to a T.

[NorwegianboyEE]

once I read Titus's ISO I realized how much our gamethoughts align

Hencewhy I want their possible scumteams because I'm having trouble

We need to yeet plusJOYED. If we wait, someone is going to come in on a white horse calling them town and there's a nonzero chance you'll be yeeted instead!

Why are you in such a rush?
It's generally accepted that most scum hate replacements because they can come in and save a good miselimination slot by obvtowning. So you trying to fast forward it is something that doesn't sit right with me.
I think you're townie otherwise, but i do strongly dislike this post from you.

What you say is true, scum hate to see a

TOWN

lurksack replacement. But they love a

SCUM

lurksack replacement.

Ok fine, i see most has made up their mind about PlusJoyed being the lim.
But if they flip town then please keep my reads in mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is plusjoyed E-1?

Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think they will claim lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma i know you are V/LA, but what do you think about this wagon?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m bored and don’t think Plus is going to claim.
I want to hammer just to advance the game with the info.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fine.
VOTE: PlusJoyed

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really suspicious of Titus today.
They said if Plus flips town then Andre is scum, and that reads to me as chaining miseliminations.
VOTE: Titus

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't die, something's wrong here

It’s explainable. Scum might have rolecopped Quiet and saw him to be a tracker/doctor role. And that’s a big threat to scum.
If they knew of his role they had to kill him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

BBMolla is alao suspicious for being the main counterwagon to town yesterday, with scummy slots such as Titus pushing for Plus as being scum instead.
But i really like my vote where it is right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and Plusjoyed, that was awful play.
Just replace out next time if you’re going to choose not to play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't die, something's wrong here

Did you get a result tonight btw?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Likely no scum outside of the wagon as Luca said.
Scum didn’t want the Molla elimination.
I’m betting on the solve being Titus/BBMolla and one of Chkflip/Vaxkiller.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really suspicious of Titus today.
They said if Plus flips town then Andre is scum, and that reads to me as chaining miseliminations.
VOTE: Titus

Chaining is a Titus specialty, NAI.

It's NAI? Plus is town and Andres i read as also likely to be town.
Titus has been pushing nothing but town slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Overnight, chkflp has become a scumread for me. I’m traveling over the next few days, but I’m going to try to articulate why ASAP.

VOTE: chkflp

This could be something.

Maybe Quiet saw them target a player.
I'm skimming through their ISO as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiet also kept voting Chkflip all day yesterday. Ignoring all other wagons.

VOTE: Chkflip
Pretty hard evidence.

Please claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No results from the Chkflp pressure,

so I’m moving on for now. They woke up today, it seems, and I’m decently liking what I see. Can revisit later maybe.

This is strange wording. Is he hinting he got no result to his Track on chkflip?

Seems strange, if you get no result on a track. Would you start the day by pressuring that player and keeping your vote there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiet is a newb we all know that, so i find it plausible he might have gotten a soft guilty on Chkflip (namely that Chkflip visited X slot. Rolecopping maybe?) so they put pressure on them but didn't know if it was a damning result or not.

There's also the chance of another possibility so i'd like to hear a claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Depending on what role Chkflip claims i'm fairly sure the game can be solved right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also have in my notes that Vax has soft pinged me a couple of times,

but I'd probably need to be on a laptop to track down receipts for that

, and I'm still traveling today.

Hello....

UNVOTE:
I'll need to think more about this then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly, i think a mass claim would be beneficial at this point.
But i'll see what everyone else thinks about it first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me Andres DGB and Chkflip as the solve?
Wow Titus, you’ve outdone yourself this time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d normally be joyful to see votes on Titus, but please tone it down until we get claims from Vax and Chkflip. I’d like to see that resolved before any decision is made.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can I die please

I don’t want to be miselimmed in LYLO

It’s just soul crushing

Don't be such a Plusjoyed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The only way we win is if I get the loonies into reality

The reality that yesterday was two town wagons

Ok, so vote one of Titus or Chkflip.
Crying about being a future miselim is just baby talk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a possible scum pursuing a wifom case and shading everything I do as scummy (Norway), lockscum voting me (Andres), defeated town I can't protect anymore (BBMolla).

If Norway is town, we have no less than three gamethrowing slots and deserve to lose.

This is such bullshit.
Calling me scumreading you "gamethrowing".
What have you even done that's so town exactly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus
I don't even care about Chkflip right now.
This flips scum 10/10 times.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nobody was even intending to vote you today Molla.
Pulling AtE when the elimination is already pretty much decided between Titus/Chkflip is obviously not gonna cause everyone to agree that you should be the elimination today. If you are town right now then you are being extremely selfish.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Binatog did you get a result last night

They said they target Gamma with no result.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This VCA is starting to sound like bull.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This VCA is starting to sound like bull.

Why?

I don't get why Andres is lockscum for starters, their play has seemed very townie to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus was absolutely sure about Plus yesterday, and people bought it because "Ohh! Magical VCA!!"
And now people are buying it again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus can literally make up any voting pattern they like that suits their narrative and call it VCA, and suddenly it's an valid argument.
I'm not buying that crap anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We know the Rolecop targeted Mom the night before

The quiet kill is really random and weird

You mean roleblocker

Not sure if that's an towntell or scumtell from Molla.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was rolecopped and Norwee was lazy roleblocker, I double checked

No they said i was roleblocked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually that's a good point from Molla.
If Momrangal was rolecopped according to Binatog the night before Quiet dies. Then that puts the Quiet kill into a different perspective.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The bad news for me is that i'm getting some townpings from BBMolla, and that means i'm probably wrong with my reads somewhere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M claimed a fake guilty that would guarantee his death one day later in the very next day.

Doesn't seem like a slot scum was trying that hard to save.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
I changed my mind. I do care about Chkflip's role.
Waiting for them to claim now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VCA skim incriminates Norwee and CHK

That took 5 minutes!

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just woke up! The audacity. I have information but it isn't the type of information that is particularly useful unless I do this thing where I go "sure, I'll claim, but not until after Mom and DGB claim" in some sort of headstrong move where I could mechanically corner them if they answer incorrectly.

Momrangal has claimed VT already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm intrigued to see where this goes

Not sure i understand yet.
But i'm game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you have good reasons to TR luca I'd legit like to hear them because he's in my scumreads rn and has been since D1

You think Luca is scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My head is a bit mushy from all this new information so i’m going to see if this will help me make more sense of it.

Confirmed PR:

Town Role Watcher

Town Odd Night Rolestopper

Town Novice Combined Tracker Doctor

Claimed PR:

Town Voyeur

Town (? modifier) Vanilla Cop

Town Lazy Roleblocker

VS

Mafia 1-shot strongman

Mafia Rolecop?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Didn’t Binatog claim Voyeur?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Voyeur sees night actions done to targeted player.
Watcher sees who target player but not what they did.

It’s not the same thing Momrangal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bina is probably universal backup

No.
Bina can see that i was blocked, but not who did it.
It’s not what an watcher does.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh. The role watcher is not the same as a watcher.
I was thinking in terms of Watcher/Voyeur...

I need a cup of coffee.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah a Universal Backup makes sense then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lazy seems like a pretty weird modifier to have for roleblocker if it's a scum role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm isn't it feasible that Chkflip and DGB could both be town?

@Gamma

[NorwegianboyEE]

We have a mechanical 1v1
I think that takes priority my dude

Which is?

Eh I guess it’s not really a 1v1 to everyone, but as I see things there’s practically no way both DGB and chkflip are town.

Ok so let's think about this.

We know DGB has the lazy modifier to his blocker role. (Binatog confirms it)
Chkflip's ISO shows at certain points that he is trying to force any role cops to claim. (Likely because he knows he is the town's investigative role and wants scum to out themselves?)

Does these make sense from scum players? I also think DGB has been townie by play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ask yourself, in a town that's as stacked as this. Why would you give scum a roleblocker role that stops working once they're the only scum left? (Assuming DGB scum)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it makes more sense to leave town PR claims alive for today instead of playing like a dumb and executing our town power in this crucial moment.

Leave alive:

Norwee
Luca Blight - Town by play.
Gamma Emerald - Town by play
DrippingGoofball - Town PR and town by play
Andresvmb - Town by play
Momrangal - Cleared town and town by play.
Binatog13 Town PR and town by play.


Hence, THIS should be our PoE today. Not in Chkflip/DGB.

Titus
Vaxkiller
BBMolla
chkflip
Hayker

[NorwegianboyEE]

EDIT:
Wops i didn't move Chkflip.

Leave alive:

Norwee
Luca Blight - Town by play.
Gamma Emerald - Town by play
DrippingGoofball - Town PR and town by play
Andresvmb - Town by play
Momrangal - Cleared town and town by play.
Binatog13 - Town PR and town by play.
chkflip - Town PR


Hence, THIS should be our PoE today. Not in Chkflip/DGB.

Titus
Vaxkiller
BBMolla
Hayker

[NorwegianboyEE]

If one of DGB/Chkflip are scum then it'd be pretty obvious.
Because they just claimed roles that scum can't keep alive if they are legit. Roleblocker can block the scum nightkill. Vanilla cop... hmm actually that's not really a powerful role now that it's outed. But i believe their claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus
Alright, i'm satisfied with the claims situation. Back to here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is that supposed to mean?
Do you think Lazy roleblocker is legit a scum role?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then again, chocolate eclair is sweet and delicious so maybe you are complimenting me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chkflip's ISO shows at certain points that he is trying to force any role cops to claim.

This is actually the opposite of what I was doing, so it's super fucking weird to me that this is your narrative. Especially since wasn't it you who was pushing for "if the Role Cop doesn't claim, Mom is cleared and they're scum" if I recall?

Idk man, i just read your ISO recently and that's what i saw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok Titus

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game be like:

Player A: Titus seems scummy
Titus: No.

*Player A was nightkilled*

Player B: Maybe Titus scum
Titus: No, this kill was to set me up. You are scum.

*Player B was nightkilled*

Player C: Guys, is Titus scum?
Titus: Another one trying to set me up!! This nightkill was done to make me look scummy, VCA!! Blah blah"

*Player C was nightkilled*

Repeat ad infinitum.

*Player B was nightkilled*

[NorwegianboyEE]

The thing about DGB is that their role just seems town.
We know for a fact that it's an lazy roleblocker, because Binatog hard confirms it. So why would scum have a modifier that makes their roleblocker suck if town PR's start blasting them and RB is only player left? Why have negative utility for a scum role when town is so stacked with PR's?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It makes a lot more sense that lazy roleblocker exists to cause trouble for the scum team, but when scum only has 1 player left then the town roleblocker is deactivated to give scum an chance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is like setup balancing 101 guys, come on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And Titus is now trying to push me for "defending DGB" like their my scum buddy. It's such a joke.
If anyone believes Titus at this point i can only assume they are scum or severely misguided.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd probably be skeptical of an roleblocker claim myself if Binatog didn't literally explain that DGB has the "lazy" modifier right there in their name.
If you want to be extremely paranoid you could call it an planned claim, but scum thinking that far ahead and Bina being scum is something that's so far fetched to me, that if true then we might as well just accept the loss on account of scum playing really well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And then there's the fact that DGB's play has pinged me townie since the beginning of today.
I'd probably eliminate Chkflip before i'd even consider voting DBG. But honestly, it doesn't matter. As Titus has already been playing so scummy that they are 100% my preferred elimination at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol i think your VCA is crap, and no wonder. You're listing me as a teammate or whatever, and i know i'm town.
Am i supposed to bow down at your immense VCA powers?

[NorwegianboyEE]

At best Titus, you are correct on two slots that i strongly townread. While wrongly listing me as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, why are you putting more focus on DBGs claim. Is there a reason why you think Chks role isn't the more likely mafia role in this case or is there a reason why you think chk is telling the truth

I still don't entirely trust Chk, but i think Titus should be the priority today.
Vanilla cop with unknown modifier sounds like the more likely fake claim, if they aren't both town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus is pushing for us to eliminate DGB over Chk and that also rubs me the wrong way FYI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway is defending DGB here by trying to shift the pool and argue all the PR claims are true.

Norway DGB Andres Hayker Molla eliminate in there. Anything else is wrong.

Actually i think Titus/Chkflip could be an legit team based on their stances so far. But that depends on Titus flipping scum first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How very vanilla of you, Titus.

This is probably just bullshit actually.

Never mind, i'm ok with Chkflip flipping too.

Titus/Chkflip are super likely based on Chkflips defense of Titus and calling them Vanilla here. It's probably a fake result on their buddy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

She's playing horribly which... Isn't too uncommon for town!Titus and she is making horrible pushed, and terrible connections using her VCA and all that with how much conviction she has behind the VCA is strongly indicative of town Titus and while I would be ok with getting rid of the noise I would much rather make a push on scum

Oh please.
Titus playing horribly is town indicative now? They are legit talking about how their VCA is the best in the world. By their own definition i know they are either being scum's best friend or are mafia themselves. And i'm not going to live with that WIFOM for five more nights until scum!Titus endgames.
I'm keeping my vote on Titus until the end of time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

DGB's play points to them being town.

DGB's claim points to them being town.

But apparently Titus gives zero fucks about this and keeps shitpushing slots such as them and Andresvmd.

How long are you going to argue Titus is just being "regular old dumb town Titus" until you understand they might just legit be scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I seriously haven't been more sure about a read in my entire life. And my record for catching scum!Titus is quite good btw. Last time i knew they were scum in a large, but town flipped me instead and scum!Titus endgames. Second time town believed me in a newbie and we completely demolished the game and wiped scum on the floor.
This is it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Titus
DIE SCUM

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vax what is the point in this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus are you even aware of how many nightkills have been on strong town PR's? Highly suggesting a scum rolecop, in fact. It's literally confirmed there's a rolecop by Binatog.
But yeah, you trust the "vanilla cop" over the lazy roleblocker.

How long are you going to ignore that modifier? You literally don't even talk about it because you know your whole case on him is fucking bullshit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stay safe though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are you even saying?
Chkflip is cleared by what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

he roleblocker, except for your slot allegedly, has been roleblocking town.

How is this even relevant?

How is anything you say even making the remotest amount of common sense?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meanwhile, chkflip is keeping a low profile.

I mean he could just be taking a shower. Or maybe he has a job, just sayin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is that supposed to mean?
Do you think Lazy roleblocker is legit a scum role?

That or chkflip’s claim, though why are you being so biased against DGB? Titus isn’t right about you, is she?

No. And why do you call it bias, do you disagree with facts and logic?

So why was your first suggestion that I thought DGB was the scum PR?

Where i'd say that? NGL i might change my stance based on impulse because i notice some things or i see things from an different perspective. So can you quote where i said whatever you're saying if you need me to explain my mindset?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where is Luca yo

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i think it'd be better for Vax to just explain what they were doing, asking people to put their vote on Momrangal for an undisclosed reason is helpful how?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vaxkiller i see you online periodically. Can you help me understand what you’re up to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vaxkiller i see you online periodically. Can you help me understand what you’re up to.

I work in IT. It's the busy time ATM, but I still have a mafiascum tab up most of the day. I will sometimes check in and read a little. My posting style (times that I post) has changed due to this busy time (before I would just post all day during work).

Why did you ask this question?

Because you haven’t answered why you said we should vote Momrangal and that kind of secrecy seems really unnecesarry to me right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not even saying you’re scum. Just wondering why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What I find interesting though, is that more than just DBG had expressed a scum read on that slot but instead, you go for some kinda weird AtE discredit pocket atempt towards their slot and making it seem like them reading you as scum here is them being old and senile

Lol this post is hilariously worded.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game is so demotivating when scum are clearly running the show here. At least if I get limmed, I can laugh from dead chat.

I feel ya (demotivation and laughter). Vote Hayker?

God you are so bad at this game as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact you both are.
Titus for that pathetic AtE. And Chkflip for that blatant push on us to lim the next LHF slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He is LHF because Titus is the actual scum. And if you aren't pushing Titus you are either scum or bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing personal Chkflip, but after Plus yesterday i'm not going to sit on my ass and watch suspect slots i don't trust push another elimination again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not like I am trying to force the lim onto any one person in my pool. I am willing to compromise.

This is a scum claim.
Town Titus would never compromise with VCA.
This is merely an attempt to barter for their life. They don’t even believe in their solve.

If y’all want, i can find the quite where Titus literally says that if you want to know the difference between scum and town Titus, it’s that as town they do not ever show willingness to lim outside of their VCA pool.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The quote*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Subject: Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

I felt like snowing you would be a good payback for that first game we had where I had to shout you 6 feet under with my VCA.

Which game?

I don't remember names very well. But you were all frustrated with my VCA and we somehow lynched my clear Natirasha.

That was Tatsuya's Anime upick. And yes, you were really annoying. Because i had pocketed almost the entire town and then you had to ruin it when you replaced in and drowned me in VCA.

There's a post in here that was a legit scumclaim when I was talking with you.

I was willing to back away from my desire for an Umlaut flip if you helped me get not!Datisi investigated. Town!Titus doesn't trade her VCA.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma what's your pick for Titus's teammates?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Huh. Like I said, I rolled my eyes at "this is a scum claim" Nor. This may actually be something. Do we want to end the day on this? I'm notably apprehensive because I'm either dead wrong about Titus now or this is some angleshoot I'm not seeing through.

You are too late for me to give you any towncred if you vote Titus here FYI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So in that game you saw it work, in this game specifically it missed once but was very likely correct on Hayker, but you're dismissing it anyway?

You're quoting a different game where Titus was town, and using it to create paranoia about this elimination?
Are you serious?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, your best argument about Titus town so far is that they just suck so bad that they have 2 to 3 town in their PoE.
It's not even remotely convincing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this is townie to you, then what even is scummy from Titus in your eyes?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even so, i'm pretty sure you're just scum defending your mate so this argument is probably pointless.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i've made my position quite clear.
And those questions are clearly made with malicious intent so for both our sakes i'll ignore you for a bit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok Chkflip, you're entitled to your opinion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Clearly, i'm not the one that needs to calm down here.
Give it a rest man. It's just a game.

##

Titus is now voting Hayker to the surprise of noone. And ignoring my solid evidence that this is uncharacteristic of town!her.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if Hayker is scum there are probably at least 2 more scum. So going for the low poster again would be so easy for scum to do here if he's town.
Fact of the matter is that there is scum in the active and talky people and it's better to root them out fast.
If Hayker is scum he'll never even endgame anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can stop being friendly Chkflip, i won't. You're probably a real cool guy, but this aggravating nonsense will not stop unless you look in the mirror and realize that what you're doing is not helping. I'm not going to be intimidated by your aggressive retaliation so you're better of keeping it cool and letting the situation de-escalate if you don't want to lose your credibility.

Even if i'm talking negatively about your play in an harsh manner, it's all in an attempt to discredit the mafia's push for miseliminating Hayker and letting scum!Titus off the hook.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So tell me Chkflip, since you in your infinite wisdom keep arguing about Hayker being so much more likely scum. And Titus being town.

Why ain't he hammered Titus yet? Should be pretty easy for him. She's E-1 and everything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you're saying Hayker came in. Didn't read his scum PT. Let a wagon on town which is E-1 just sit there.
And went AFK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I respect your attempts at making me look stupid as much as everyone else Chkflip, but are you actually telling me there isn't a glaring contradiction with your story here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm asking why those you read as scum hasn't hammered the wagon on """town!Titus""" yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is the kind of stalling we saw during N_M's wagon.
He sure was easy to eliminate huh?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're looking at some lurker slot with 3 posts. That's all you're doing.
I'm pushing a deepwolfy slot that's going to lead town down the gutter if they aren't removed ASAP.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You know what, i'll even accept that if Titus is town i will vote myself the next day. That's how sure i am of this read. I don't even care if it becomes my undoing. I will never in my life accept an Hayker elimination until Titus is eliminated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ll take the responsibility.
Do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thank god.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just waiting for the flip tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Titus was hard defending scum, and yet acting like their solve was the best shit in the world.
Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh how I'm loving actually being 100% confirmed town now

Oh bina~

Tbh, you almost always were.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is going to be real juicy. Once i get more time i will find the last scum, mark my words on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We're still going to ignore Titus's VCA then?

And who did it

Yes.
Titus's VCA sucks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Case in point.

Scum Rolecop claims "Vanilla cop" and Titus somehow believes it to be legit in a game where PR's have been dropping like flies.
Their VCA didn't even account for Chkflip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I changed my opinion later though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and Vaxkiller, now would be a really good time to explain why you were voting Momrangal yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean...


Bina - Role watcher (universal backup)
Gamma-???
Norwee-???
Andres- ???
Molla -???
Luca - ???
Hayker - ???
Vax - ???

I mean, more than likely, there is one person left who scum know the role of in this pool and there can't be to many prs left out there

I also have a theory and I want to see if it's right.

You want a mass claim to check if a theory of yours is right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh i'm not sure i entirely see the benefit of everyone claiming today. But if there is consensus for it, sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually i think it's a bad idea. Maybe later if we don't flip scum today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So going over Chkflip's ISO. I'm thinking that them + [Teammate] would either be pushing Hayker as a miselim option to white knight Titus and they were both town. OR, they were planning to buss a useless teammate to look good from the flip and endgame accordingly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either way i'm not too keen on voting Hayker today. I think Vax is a good place to start. I really don't like how they randomly voted Momrangal yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought I am dead. But it seems that they killed lazy first.
Question: can maf role cop check fellow maf?

They can but i don't think it's very likely unless they were absolutely sure all town PR's are accounted for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought I am dead. But it seems that they killed lazy first.
Question: can maf role cop check fellow maf?

They can but i don't think it's very likely unless they were absolutely sure all town PR's are accounted for.

And how did scum rolecop died?

Assuming vig.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm starting to doubt, coz norwee said rolecop can check fellow maf, but I don't think that would be the case

Was Vax the target?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would prefer you wait for Luca and Andre to claim unless one of them is the clear

Oh, one of them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My vote is on Vax in spirit.
I still want to get a read on other slots before i place my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you want mass claim or just Andre/Luca to claim?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i'll start it off since both conf!town want it.
I'm VT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bina

Gamma
Norwee
Andres

Molla

Luca
Hayker

Vax

I think i would put Molla lower and Luca higher. But otherwise i generally agree with this take.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We're still going to ignore Titus's VCA then?

And who did it

Are you saying we should vote Andersvmb today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca has been townie for a while, but sure. Welcome to the enlightened club.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My mistakes have been overall good for town i’d say.
Imagine if Titus had been on the wheel today.