Mafia 80: Nice Shot! Mafia. Game over, results at 1381

[camn]

Wow. I go to work for one day and come back to this.

OMGUS Vote: Musher333

Plus its like, Half of 666.

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[camn]

I have always loved a little battle, even if it's by proxy. I side with the underdog, BM

Unvote, Vote: curiouskarmadog

Yeah!

[camn]

I think he meant Posts in General make his head hurt... not just yours.

But there were a lot of yours. . .so you got the honor?

c

[camn]

Well.. It was an interpretation! There was no possessive "'s".

And I didn't answer the question, "why?".

This is a finicky group, if you ask me!

[camn]

We Know that BM is a sweet man who doesn't deserve a D1 bandwagon. . . . and that CKD is a very serious person.

Probably. Unless it is a feint on one or both sides.

They probably are both Scum... picking a fight early on so as to throw us off later in the game. Like if we catch one, we will assume the other is innocent.

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[camn]

I don't know why we are bandwagoning CKD. . but that is a good question.

I voted him because it seemed like there was a super-early bandwagon of BattleMage.. and it seemed like they were having some fun back-and-forth banter going... so I voted him.

But I don't know why everyone else jumped on!

[camn]

Unvote.... Vote: Musher333

Because
a) I love a bandwagon as much as the next guy....
b) How

dare

he keep that vote up against me all the way from page one...and
c) it really is half of 666.

Also.. Although I know Day one is important. . . it always annoys me to have a super long day 1, and then screw up and lynch a townie. But it seems like it always happens anyway, so what can we really lose?

Also also.. He does have pretty much exclusively One-sentence posts.
Not Lurking.. But kind of lurking. Lurking without SEEMING to lurk?

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[camn]

I find your indifference to townie death disturbing.

I work in the ER of a busy Public Hospital. I guess it rubs off

But you are right. He's probably a newb. . and if he caught a scum role as a newb.. he would have hit the wiki, right?

Unvote : Musher333

[camn]

Is it suspect if a person ONLY posts to Vote or Unvote? No real debate, discussion.. or even offhand commenting?

I think it is.

It's like they are scum. .. and don't want to draw TOO much attention to themselves. . but they know Laying TOO low is suspect. . . so they pretend NOT to be hiding out...

[camn]

BM,...
Do you really think a newb would read your claim and recognize it as BS?

I totally thought is was a joke. Especially since "nervous cop" isn't even one of the roles possible in this game. (or is it...!?) But your insistence on speaking for Anatole's state of mind is unneccesary, I think.

Also.. Regarding this:

Musher's bandwagon probably has a few scum in it. I think the reasons people are giving for voting musher are weak. I think he is sincere in his newbiness and an easy mislynch.

I totally agree.. and I missed the miscount, but I Unvoted a million posts ago. (post 201)
So I reiterate:

unvote : Musher333

Also... I think BM, although reportedly tricky, is way to vocal to be scum. . .and need not be persecuted for an early, possibly false, yet uncountered claim of a role that doesn't exist.

PLUS.. I like goborage's avater.. so

Vote: elvis_knits

(mostly because of his full frontal on BM.. I have picked a friend in this town. He better not betray me and be scum, or I will be Very, Very angry. )

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[camn]

:waves white flag:

I accept your reasonable attitude.

unvote : Elvis_Knits

However... Whats up with Coron?
I will admit that I am in the "Lynch all Lurkers" school of thought. Firmly.

So

Vote : Coron

For having, like, Zero input into the game. . even after prodding...
and for a no-reason vote against You-Know-Who.

c

[camn]

OK...

but I don't track..
the same one of who?

c

[camn]

We would only move on to the next person if the previous L-2 guy was found not guilty. There would be pressure to defend oneself adequately. If they didn't town could justified in going through with the lynch.

It's true.. this strategy makes no sense.

How can one be "found not guilty"? Especially on D1 with no voting record?
Its absurd, and illogical. You can't prove your LACK of mafia status. Whats to prove? Right now. . no one has participated in lynching an innocent. . . and in fact, the only way to "prove" you are town is to be killed, or live through an attempted mafia nightkill. . .

In fact. . here, on D1, what possible "suspicious" behavior might scum exhibit when under pressure? There is nothing to defend.

Thats why I hate D1. Tomorrow. . depending on who dies... THEN we will have things to talk about!! THEN people will have things to explain!

For instance.. If BM is killed by the vigilante, and found to be Scum. . you'all might justifiably have some questions for me.

In any event.. You are suspect.

UNVOTE

Vote: Gorobage

[camn]

How is the plan "off the topic of looking for scum"? It's not like discussion stagnates or anything.

@ RBT, AK, camn: If you had issue with the plan before why didn't you vote for me a week ago?

I don't necessarily have a problem with the plan. I don't think it works. . but I don't care that you threw it out there.

I DO care about
a) your lack of sound reasoning. eg.

"We would only move on to the next person if the previous L-2 guy was found not guilty"

AND ESPECIALLY
b) You arbitrarily picking a poor way to scum-hunt. e.g

"I did not come up with it, I read about it. It may be used more in IRC games but I figured it was worth a shot here as well."

This, to me, is very telling. You want to LOOK like you are looking for scum. . so you pick a random and arbitrary way to do it?

AND FINALLY..
c) You cant have it both ways.
Either your plan sucks. . and you should admit it. OR your plan is sound. . and you should realize YOU are the one we are trying to put at L-2! You are SUSPECT until you are "found not guilty", right?!

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[camn]

I mean this in the least scummy way possible...
...but I f-ing LOVE angry Mods.

An angry mod means an edgy game if you ask me.
Anyway.. Farside is my new #1 girl.. I love the post by post analysis..

so . . .

Unvote

Now I keep coming back to Musher! My gut must mean something... he seems to never escape suspicion.... he should be fighting more.. and there is this:

...after reading the game i think that i actually look quite scummy, just the way i have been phrasing certain things and asking questions ...

also he's just...suspect. Something ain't right.

Plus... Not that I am rolefishing.. but whats up with this?:

... if i get voted to l-2 then i will claim.

SO...

Vote Musher333

...why not go for L-2?

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[camn]

It's because I was interested that someone would announce that they WOULD claim if they got to L-2. Seems strange. To have that kind of advance strategy in mind.. but can't figure out the abbreviations for basic roles? That was, and is, strange to me.

Personally..

If

I hardly know what a RB is.. how do I know to claim at L-2? It seems internally inconsistent.

But I am not convinced that he is scum.
Or town.
And an angry mod makes me frisky. . .

AND LET US NOT FORGET!!!!

Our Sweet town Brother and Sister, Natirasha and Destructor... They were BRUTALLY MURDERED

last night

!! Our once peaceful town has been shaken. . and

someone must pay

...

And, In Mushers own words...

Sometimes it is a scum tactic to post alot to try and look like a goodie-two shoes townie.

c

[camn]

And, In Mushers own words...

Sometimes it is a scum tactic to post alot to try and look like a goodie-two shoes townie.

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What does that have to do with anything can i ask?

I know the logic isn't all there... but I am very light-hearted! It seems funny that you mentioned that. . THEN claimed "goodie-two shoes townie"

I'm kind of random sometimes. My brain is very nonlinear. Even when someone's LIFE IS ON THE LINE, I find humor in small things.

[camn]

At least I'm Playing, coron!

[camn]

Is your answer to the question "why aren't you voting anyone?" that you FORGOT?

And do you have any reason for your vote?

[camn]

So you reason is that he doesn't have a reason?

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[camn]

It's the lack reasoning that is weird, I think.

[camn]

But if they jumped on a bandwagon and hammered a townie would you not then say you hammered a townie quite quickly, time to lynch you?

Nobody's talking about the hammer.
If you hammered with no reason. . you would be quite suspect.
Voting with no reason is suspect......
and trying to discourage voting WITH NO REASON is also suspect.

Now doing stuff WITH a good reason. . that is OK!

c

[camn]

ChaosOmega Voted RBT in APRIL!! and hasn't posted in weeks.

mod: Prod ChaosOmega?

And 9 days is a while! Plus a vote for me means TROUBLE!

mod: Prod Coron?

Ps.. I'm going on vacation tomorrow morning. . Memorial day style. Will be back on Monday. May or may not check in on you'all!
I realize the Deadline. ... And I still think Musher is worth a vote.

[camn]

Waiting for BM's explanation. . .. but very disappointed!

On another note.. can we logically assume that we have EITHER a compulsive Vig OR a Serial Killer in out midst. . but not both, right?

[camn]

Well, spring...

I read the roles carefully.. and it says ONE mafia kill per night. (Under the Don's description...)

There may be a Vig or SK.. both Compulsive... so Im thinking one or the other.. not both.

I guess there could have been roleblocking both nights? Maybe that means we could have 3 killers on our hands. . . .

[camn]

OK, so.. thats L-1, right?

Even scum deserve a day to give us their final words. . . . . .

[camn]

Hmm. Overlapping kills. There is that.

Well, then.. I guess we could have both a compulsive Vig and a serial killer. I was hoping no. . but there you go.

[camn]

Alright, My frinds...

Regarding BM... I can see his explanations.
I am not saying he made good decisions. . it is obvious he did not. . but I could see him turning up as town if we lynch him.

It's true he claimed in Twilight.. . so he wasn't pushing to LYNCH Xtomx, right?
If he was hell bent on killing Xtoxm.. why not just night kill him, if he were Scum.. OR the Vig.. OR the SK? Since he made this insane claim. . maybe he is just insane!
In which case he should just be ignored.. not lynched, right?

Any thoughts on who is scum BESIDES BM?

[camn]

You've got me convinced, morno!
How does that get ME on your suspect list?

I can see why people don't like you.


but anyway...

Vote: Anatole Kuragin

He has had pretty minimal, one-line comments since the beginning of may.
He check's in to the game. . so as to avoid being a TOTAL lurker.. but adds nothing. Like he's just waiting out a mislynch on BM..
Also.. he voted for Xtoxm without any real kind of reason.

Plus......

I always support lurker lynch.

[camn]

Like him!

[camn]

also, whats with your sig. when did i say that? and when did you stop siding with me, being the underdog and all!?

BM

Post 63.

And I AM siding with you, rocks-for-brains! You are the one not siding with me!

You are infuriating.

ALSO..

Define Gambit?

You've never seen me fakeclaim Cop before with the intention of getting NKed? ......
It was a low-risk gambit, and it didnt work. Nothing really lost. That is, unless the town decides to waste a lynch for it.
BM

It being a gambit is theoretically possible, but it would have to be immensely elaborate. .... I dont see why i'd try such a gambit here as opposed to in a game where the atmosphere would make it naturally more likely to work...
Truth is, it could be a gambit. But looking at it logically, is that really oh so likely?

BM

[camn]

No i'm not the SK. I dont think we even HAVE an SK. If we do, we can assume that 1 scum kill was stopped last night.
BM

Why? I don't read that the Scum get multiple kills per night. In fact, I read that they only get ONE.

Thus, the second kill each night could be from SK or Vig. With additional kills possibly being Roleblocked. .or overlapped.

Though I am assuming 2 killers. The Scum, and a Vig. for now.

Why a vig and not SK? well.. I'm assuming ChaosOmega was killed by Scum.. I don't think the mafia OR a SK would kill Xtoxm without waiting to see if BM could do it for them.
But a Vig might have followed BM's claim and killed Xtoxm.
Of course.. this is assuming no Overlaps or RBs. and considering there were only 2 kills on N0.. I think it is reasonable.....for now.

I believe that BM is definitely NOT the SK, if there is one... because he could have just killed Xtoxm himself.. without putting up so much fuss.

[camn]

what? 0.o
Scum = SK + Mafia

Hence i am saying that because we definitely have a Vig, if we also have 2 scum kills, 1 of those scum kills has been blocked. Ugetme?

Roger that.
But we have no reason to assume there IS a SK, right? Could just be mafia and Vig.. .

[camn]

I agree with that, elvis.

[camn]

what, as revenge?

I don't see how killing someone who probably ISN'T mafia helps us.

[camn]

Who cares about their ego more is not relevant.

It is very doubtful that BM is a killer. I think that is plain. He's probably not scum.. and almost def not a Vig or SK.
A lot of us are obviously upset by his play. . but lynching innocent villagers is not the solution. We should be finding scum.

unvote
Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

why? this sentence:

...[re: BM] When YOU stated that you were trying to get NKed. Now you are saying you dont want to die. SO, are you back tracking or were you or were you not trying to "find scum" yesterday?

It is obvious that BM meant "get lynched" when he said 'die'. It is also obvious that not wanting to get lynched.. and wanting to get nk'd are pretty normal vanilla plays.
THUS you bringing this up is either pretty obtuse, or deceptive.
Now.. CKD, this might be my mistake. but I think you are pretty sharp.. thus playing this angle seems scummy to me. Unless you really think BM is playing differently now than day 1?

Do you?
Cuz I don't. Seems the same as ever to me. Just more defensive.

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[camn]

If he wanted to die, why did he ask for the Doc to protect him?

That is so easy.

What is better than drawing the Mafia's NK away from the power roles?

Blocking their NK!

Then they get to kill no-one!

Wouldn't it be a good play for the town if we could AVOID a NK altogether?

And no.. I don't want to go on record saying his lie was pro-town. Just that it was something a devious, egotistical townie might do. and probably NOT something scum would do.... esp. not on D1. I don't think it was a great play... just not a scum play. But I KNOW that trying to lynch a townie is pretty much anti-town.

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[camn]

Rice...

Sorry for the confusion..
I meant "normal vanilla play" in the sense of a "Plain, non-power role, ordinary vanilla play" . . not as in a "you see it every day" play.

I mean normal as contrasted to special.

I guess saying "normal vanilla" is redundant.

thank you.

And imagine if it had worked!!!!!

Imagine if the Mafia targeted BM.. and the Doc defended him!
And imagine if the Vig had killed Xtomx.. and he HAD been scum!

that would have been cool.

But it didn't go that way.
There is no way BM knew X was the Doc... he just know he was playing 'different' than usual.

[camn]

I led wilderness trips with the youth for 5 years. We played approximately ONE MILLION games of werewolf. But we didn't transcribe any for your internet pleasure
Mostly when I would see this is when someone was pretty sure that a power role was going to get outed, forced to claim, and/or maybe night killed. Then they would claim to deflect it onto themselves, buying an additional invesigation day. Sometimes they got burned. USUALLY it was later on. But EVERY time they turned out to be common villagers.

Now. I answered you.

Please, in return.. can you reference a game where a MAFIA member fake-claimed cop in twilight? Have you EVER seen it? Heard of it? Thought about doing it? Because that I haven't seen. But then again.. I haven't played that many games with a twilight phase.

Please answer.

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[camn]

what is your point?

My point is, you should use logic to decide things. Not just History and Meta.

BM's play makes a stupid kind of sense as town.. and no sense at all as scum.

That is the basis of my defense of him. Simple logic. Not past games.. not meta-play.. not secret knowledge......... Simple logic.

However.. If you'all can't get past it... then we can clearly do no effective scumhunting. SO If you are going to lynch him.. do it now. I'm tired of the discussion.

On the other hand...If you want to start looking for scum. ..then lets start.

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[camn]

Sure I read it. But I don't follow your logic, because you are pretty vague regarding these "quotes"

This quote makes me go hmm considering xtoxm came up as doc.

This especially.

Are you implying that BM *knew* that xtoxm was the Doc? What ARE you saying? Please... help me out, cuz I don't follow.

[camn]

And if he was a Tracker.. he would be pro-town, right?

[camn]

I'm not giving him a clean slate.
I don't really trust him to be truthful. . .
I definitely won't believe him if he claims again!

BUT I'm not ready to lynch a townie because of it.

In fact.. maybe he was right.. just for the wrong reasons. Maybe BM successfully identified that Xtoxm wasn't acting like a normal townie. He assumed it was scummy.. when it was just X playing weird as a power role.
Thus we should probably respect BM's instinct... if not his judgment.

C

[camn]

Look people.

BM is going to get deadline-lynched unless we change things.

I think he is innocent.

Are you all OK with the lynching of an innocent, and Active townie?

If so.. do nothing. If not.. choose someone else. Someone who MIGHT be scum.. so that we have a chance to kill scum on the 5th.

That said

unvote
vote RiceBallTail

I don't think he is THAT scummy... but the odds are better.

c

[camn]

Elvis, does that count??

[camn]

Oh, yeah! That is totally what I meant to do.

I switched the numbers in my mind!

unvote RBT
Vote: Sierra

[camn]

Yay, vigilante!!!

[camn]

Looks like you were wrong.

At best, they are equally scummy.

[camn]

I am insightful, aren't I!

[camn]

When I am scum I make a POINT to put votes on my buddies early on... because I know eventually someone will get pinched... and someone else will look at voting patterns.

Its a null tell, at best.

[camn]

Are you saying he's playing in a similar style in all your games......?

[camn]

Are you saying he's playing in a similar style in all your games......?

Pretty much. That's CKD.

BM

Thus, based on his gameplay, do you think CKD deserves a lynch in EVERY game?

[camn]

I might switch to BM, but I see both Sierra and BM to be good lynches.

WHy did you let it go to Deadline with BM?

If you really thought BM was scum... why no hammer? Too chicken? Or did you KNOW he was innocent, and you wanted to stay off the bandwagon?

Vote RiceBallTail

[camn]

hey Rice...!

Why didn't you vote for BM yesterday? Before the deadline.

Just curious.

c

[camn]

no kills last night? no vig/sk? no Mafia? no nothing...

What is the point of this post? Surely you understand how the night phase works.....

[camn]

What is interesting about it?

[camn]

NO. I think you just posted nothing for the sake of posting.

The more I look at your posts.. your so-called "contributions", the more I see that you really have posted nothing this whole game. A couple good battles with BM.. but that is old stuff.

So I wonder. What was so interesting?

c

[camn]

Of Course I have. And what I love the most is your votes:
After the initial "random" phase ended (with very little content from you, imo), we get this as far as voting patterns:

vote, musher333

...avoiding questions that were posed to you?

Confirm vote Musher

Who ends up dead, and Town.

unvote, vote Rice

Who ends up dead, and Town.

Vote BM

vote Rice....

unvote, vote BM

, there was no reason to resort to insults

confirm vote BM

and when he flips scum, I know where my next vote is going.

nice threat. Too bad he ended up dead, and Town.

just looking at the voting and kill history this seems vote seems obvious.

Rice is scum...
...

vote rice.

Who ends up dead, and Town.

not a single vote for anyone Who DOESN'T end up dead, and Town.
We all make mistakes.. but EVERYONE you have suspected has ended up Town.

Not posting an incredible amount of content either.

Now this new day starts, and you are confused about how we could end up with no kills? It isn't confusing, as Sierra pointed out. With the odds what they are, it is Fortunate for us.
And how were you johnny-on-the-spot getting a post in? I thought the night phase didn't end till today. . yet you were on top of it.

You accuse me of rolefishing... but YOU are the one that brought it up. You led off the day

obviously

fishing . . and Sierra bit.

hmm.

Best case scenario.. you aren't helping.

So..

Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

[camn]

Nice OMGUS.

You have any defense?

Voting Patterns,
lack of content,
role fishing,
Useless, early post at the start of the day.

Don't minimize my case. Defend yourself. Or launch your OMGUS battle.

Your choice.

[camn]

You first.

[camn]

1) Nice try.

After the initial "random" phase ended (with very little content from you, imo), we get this as far as voting patterns:

You see I omit the random phase. I knew you would bring it up, though.... scum always vote scum early on, so as to use it in their own defense later.

2) Still in the random voting stage. Not relevant.

3) You aren't scummy for mislynching.
You are scummy for the 4 reasons I listed above.
Which you have been ignoring.
Regarding voting.. why is there not a single vote for someone who is still alive? It is the COMPLETENESS that is the clincher. Not a tell in itself... but confirmation in light of your slip ups today.

4) I don't answer questions from scum Especially questions that are responses to MY questions.

5) Sorry.. that was you.

6) You claim at L-3? Interesting. And I am interested in your claim. Obviously I don't believe you. But let us investigate.

Questions for you, CKD.

>> For clarity, you are saying you blocked Farside last night?
>> Who did you block every other night?
>> and Again.. in light of your claim... what was so "interesting" about there being no night kills?
You never did answer. Except to say "the lack of kills confirm some power roles" Since you are claiming a power role.. I don't see why you would ever mention it!

and finally,
7) This isn't about me.. it's about you.

Confirm Vote: CKD

c

[camn]

wow.
Does it really take that long to fabricate a list of who you "blocked" this game, CKD?
You think just choosing all dead people will seem too suspect?

[camn]

Meta is for sissies.
You have blown your cover in this game, and meta is not required.

For the record, I believe you, kind of. I think you are a MAFIA roleblocker, and you totally blocked all those people. BUT You have been hunting Power Roles, and this "claim" of yours is clever. You can ALMOST look like you are scumhunting, but you aren't

So, explain this.

Doing a QUICK search through your posts for Coron OR Killa7's name.... I come up with NO references. Now, I could have missed it.. but if you thought K7 was scum... why did you simply NEVER mention him at all? Is this your idea of scumhunting?

Of course.. we all know about your pre-existing biz with BM.. . but one question:
Why would you block him?! He claimed Cop! With EVERYONE to pick from.. you pick the claimed COP? Why not Rice? You voted Him!

Now Farside... are you claiming you were FRESHLY suspicious of them as of LAST POST LAST NIGHT? Because before today, you never did any scumhunting against farside, either. a couple random comments back and forth.. and your initial random vote.
So .. are you saying it was a BRAND NEW suspicion?

I SAY that you, as Mafia, thought that they had power roles. BM even claimed! But you thought they had power roles, so you AVOIDED talking about them and quietly blocked them, so that just in case they were ever killed, we couldn't pin it on you.

Really nice try with your falseclaim, though. I almost believed.

[camn]

first he attacks me for not posting in here, but doesnt check to see if I havent been posting or posting that I am behind across the board...

You had time to respond to Pop, and ask questions of Farside. And no, I don't meta.

...you would have attacked me no matter what I said to try to help your "case".

Only since you chose such obviously fabricated "targets"

I blocked K7, because I was trying to find the killer...and something about his play on Day 2 stuck out at me.

So why no mention of him?
Ever.
In the entire game?
Before OR after blocking him?

Camn, why after I voted spring did you vote me?

Answered. Post 1043

Why did you attack me after I asked farside a question?

I think my case against you is pretty clear! Are you pretending confusion AGAIN?

Now that you know I targetted her and stopped a kill, you know why I was asking her questions.

I don't know any such thing. You stopped nothing.

How is not answering questions protown? DO NOT AVOID THIS QUESTION AGAIN.

You are scum, and your entire line of questioning is OMGUS. why would I bother? But the fact is, I HAVE answered your questions.


So explain this to me, Roleblocker.

Why didn't you block RiceBallTail Day 2?
You supposedly suspected him Day 1.
You suspected him Day 3.

Did you NOT suspect him enough to "block" him? Or did you figure he was a vanilla townie... which is a good lynch, cuz you don't look TOO scummy... but a bad Mafia-roleblock, because he's vanilla?

Why is he scummy enough to hang, but you would rather "block" someone you never even bothered to mention?


@BM.. you are right.. there is no reason for a policy lynch. I was just giving him a way out. Since then, he just looks scummier and scummier. Do you disagree?

[camn]

One MORE THING!

CKD.. being a substandard liar... You forgot something!

I don't know how you will lie you way around this, but...

Who did you "block" Night 0?

Forgot about that when you were making up your list, didn't you? Maybe you could have "saved" Natirasha or destructor?

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[camn]

I am ready to hear from other people regarding CKD.

You all have read my case.
You have seen CKD's claim, and his retaliation.

Thoughts?

[camn]

God, I can't lay off this guy! His story is so full of holes!

I forgot we even had a night 0 here...

I Know you did! That's why you didn't make up a target! Oops.

K7 and farside (if they have a night action) are in a position to confirm or deny if they have been blocked.

Thats funny.. EVERY role description up there says "You will not be Informed" if you are blocked. So how would they know anything?
I don't want a claim from them at all. You are the only one saying "they will be forced to claim".. You want more info for your buddies?

.IF I HANG TODAY, please please please, hold camn to the fire on this TOMORROW.

The town doesn't need advice from scum. And in the unlikely event that you flip town, everyone knows who would be next. INCLUDING ME! If I were scum, would I really put my butt on the line for you?

[camn]

Getting Married?

Congratulations!

re: farside... I have no opinion on anyone else until you are dead.
And there you go speculating about roles again!


c

[camn]

EBWOP.. sorry for the double!

I REALLY can't get off your case!

So.. there was only ONE kill Night2, right?

WHY DIDN'T YOU JUMP ALL OVER KILLER7????

Did it not even CROSS YOUR MIND that you might have blocked scum....resulting in a single kill?
Because you failed to even MENTION his name. No Hunting. No Questions. NOTHING. You must have been CONVINCED he was a pro-town Vig to ignore him THAT hard!

What is different between that and your case against farside?

[camn]

- there were two kills night 2...or maybe since you are scum, there was only one townie kill, so I understand how you could mess that up

Ah! You are right for once! They sort differently in my excel file!
Well, I retract that bit of business. Luckily it was just icing on your scum cake!



But let me clear up a couple things about me.

I am not looking in to Farside.

I am looking in to you.

You will not distract me. Stop trying.

You MIGHT distract the town with your gigantic pile of OMGUS, but I hope not.

So go ahead and ask me about Farside, or Sierra, or BM, or the Minnesota Twins..... I won't answer! Go ahead and do anything you can to squirm out of the case against you.......

It won't work.

Call it "avoiding" if you want....But I know it is just you trying to desperately throw my attention somewhere else!
I have no opinion on Farside at this time. I read the comment in Twilight last night as null.

PS

How am I specualting roles? Whos getting married?

Sorry, farside.. I was talking to CKD ABOUT you.
I think CKD is getting married!

[camn]

I have no opinion on Farside at this time. I read the comment in Twilight last night as null.

I already did.

NOw, CKD

Maybe you can answer something.

Did you think RBT was scum Day 1?

[camn]

So you thought he was scummy at the end of day 1..

what about day 2?

[camn]

Why would CKD bring attention to him with his false Roleclaim, then?

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[camn]

Also, what makes you think he claimed falsely?

Um... cuz he is dead, and not a townie?

[camn]

I think it's possible that ckd really did roleblock farside Night 3 and thought she was a non-Mafia killer.

I think it is more likely that he blocked Sierra.

Unless we have a townie roleblocker?

[camn]

Vote NoLynch

Though it is incredibly obvious that Destructor and Alabaska are the last scum.

Or BM is fooling me.

[camn]

Your halfhearted case against K7, Your distancing with Alabaska, your"misread" of CKD's last day......

all suspect.

Gorborage was suspect, and so are you.

[camn]

Here's the deal.

You have been around. You know how to play. You know how to sub in.

So.. as a townie, you would CAREFULLY examine how scum died. You would be particular about your reread in this area.

As scum.. YOU DON"T CARE.

You simply care about how to make crap cases against townies. So you neglect your scumbuddies false claim.

It is VERY intuitive.

Maybe Alabaska and you are simply distancing, which is why he pegs you as scum, and you MILDLY attack him. Not Too much to look like a Bus, but enough to get credit if he flipped. It would be a decent play. . but you forgot one thing: CKD made it woefully clear that K7 is town. You failed to read on your buddy.. and exposed yourself as scum.

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[camn]

I do agree that BM was a little slow in lynching CKD.

And no.. meta is for sissies. I don't have a single bit of it. You just aren't a green newb.
It isn't inconsistent.. but the priorities are different for town and scum.

[camn]

How did ckd show that killa seven is town?

I thought you were against arguing for someone's innocence? Cuz I am, too.

Also, I'm rereading k7's 1124, and unless I've missed something about the setup, it's making me go wtf. Anyone else?

I wonder why he said it.. but it isn't scummy that he did. Scum wouldn't know that kind of thing any more than town.

K7.. why do you think that?

[camn]

Unvote

Here's the problem with the nolynch:

camn
Killer Seven
populartajo
BattleMageII
ALBALASKA
Destructor II


There are 6 of us. Ranked in order from Town to Scum.

It is true that we could no-lynch and gain another night, but we won't gain any clarity.
Why?
Well, last night all the power roles got killed off, right? So I am almost CERTAINLY going to die tonight.. . being OBVIOUSLY town!

Thus tomorrow, given that I die, you will still have the same suspects.. you just wont have my vote!

SO.. lets figure out who the scum are!

I

Vote Destructor

I would like to see a claim from you before too long. This deadline is going to come soon!

c

[camn]

sum up your questions again?

c

[camn]

I pity the fool that has to replace in to this game!!

[camn]

I'm kind of into am Alabaska lynch... though I think Destructor is bussing

K7!!!!--- why do you think you were targeted n3????????

@destructor.
I'm not using meta.
I assume that when a townie subs in.. and scum was just lynched.. they would pay a lot of attention to that scum's poor defense.

You didn't.
You brought up the scums EARLY interactions, accidentally missing his false roleclaim and bogus accusations.

Now.. a green rookie replacing in as TOWN might do this, but not a veteran.
I'm not saying you should "be able to find scum" just that you should "be able to spot a fake-claim"

HOWEVER, as SCUM, it makes sense that you would totally concentrate on NON-SCUM's play during the game. Because you aren't trying to find scum. Just mislynches.

capice?

Your reread was more about k7 than CKD. You characterizing it as "a town priority for me to see who was linked to lynched scum? " Is simply a poor attempt at misdirection.

You re-read looking for easy mislynches.

You did not re-read looking for scum.

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PLUS.. Destructor..

BM claims you are rolefishing.
YOu deny it.
Then you propose a massclaim?

I don't get it.
pls explain.

c

[camn]

K7!!!!--- why do you think you were targeted n3????????

there were no deaths that night and it makes sense that i was targeted based on my role.

I don't get this at all.

What possible role could exist that would make mafia OR a vig target you? And how would you know if they did?

[camn]

Seriously, because I wanted us not to quicklynch CKD in what could be a townie-vs-townie hole that would occupy us for two days and possibly cost us the game?

Except it wasn't.
It was an OBVIOUSLY scum vs. Townie hole.

CKD's reactions to my attack were SO scummy.. how you thought that was town vs. town is inconceivable.

c

[camn]

Obviously distancing.

c

[camn]

and

unvote

VOTE NO LYNCH

If we can't have unity.... then we better buy time.

PS.. Destructor is Def Scum.
K7 is totally innocent.

Alabaska is PROBABLY scum #2....

[camn]

EBWOP..

Yes, destructor, I have noticed.

You are scum.
You are probably the Father of ALL scum.

You have a clever tongue, though.. I just hope you are bussing your partner, or we are screwed.

I would destroy you, but you haven't been in this game long enough to give me the ammunition.
Plus I just started school

But if we are both alive tomorrow.. I will see you in the hangman's noose.
That is all, my friend.

c

[camn]

Oh really.

Why is it that you haven't voted NO LYNCH yet?

You keep mentioning it.
Yet you don't vote it.

I would be comfortable with a No Lynch.

If we're not going to No Lynch, we should seriously consider massclaiming.

Assuming 2 scum left, a mislynch could lose us the game today. If we no lynch and force scum to kill tonight, we narrow the pool of suspects. We'd still lose if we mislynched but the chances of it happening would be lower.

Maybe you are the LAST scum... and you really want a mislynch?

c

[camn]

So what, now Alabaska is town?

I doubt it.

I actually liked Alabaska as scum... until you voted him. But I am willing to see him hang if you are willing to hang him.

A simple switch of your vote could save your scumbuddy! I am interested in what you will do.
It is in your hands, Destructor. Kill your friend, or go with the No-Lynch.

I support either.

[camn]

Golly.

UnVOTE

Not just to save yourself!, Ala!

Destructor must decide!

c

[camn]

I see things clearly, Destructor.
You should keep your words more civil. This game isn't about ME..... it's about YOU, Alabaska, and maybe BM.

Also, I hope you keep your money where your mouth is.
What do you support more? Lynching Alabaska, or A No-Lynch?

I gotta know.

[camn]

Vote NO LYNCH

@K7 ...Its a mathematical quirk.

If we lynch ALa, and ala flips town, then we lose... unless mafia fails at the kill tonight.

If we no-lynch... we get some extra time.

However, extra time is useless without extra information...
SO Destructor's play is important.

If Destructor plays scummy, like usual, then Destructor is scum.

that is all.

Tie vote, right? With the Lynch on Alabaska?

Only a switch can change it now.

[camn]

No harm in a No Lynch, but based on interaction, I can't see how Alabaska could be anything but scum right now.

I agree.
Who is the last one, though?

It's not me.
Its not K7.

BM? Pop?

I obviously think it is you, destructor.

And this is going to kill me if we are wrong, but..

UNVOTE,
VOTE Alabaska

[camn]

Then Hammer.

[camn]

Are you are wondering about why I wanted Destructor to choose.....?

Cuz I think that is obvious.

[camn]

CKD, Destructor! I didn't have tunnel vision.. I thought Des was pretty much clear.
It was all a mighty gambit to try and tease out the last scum.

I'd love to explain it to you, if you guys are interested. I kind of think it worked. It seemed pretty clear to me that Korts was the last one.

[camn]

PS.. Nice play Korts, seriously.

Nice game everyone, in fact.
Except BM. Boo for replacing out so far in!

[camn]

THAT WAS TOTALLY IT !!!

When day came I saw your play and thought... "Destructor TOTALLY is picking up what I put down....."

But sadly.. no-one else did

[camn]

I figured I would get killed....

I also figured that Scum would Bandwagon you.
But BM was busy NOT PLAYING AT ALL!

Next Time, indeed.

[camn]

It seemed pretty clear to me that Korts was the last one.

Well u made it pretty clear in your posts that des was the last scum
I read your posts alot and i never seen anyone above des beingf number one on you suspicion list, if im wrong please correct me.

I know I SAID that... but I didn't believe it.

During that time, I saw Des as clear, but I put a lot of heat on him to gauge the reaction of BM and Pop. K7 was clear, which I tried to make very clear.
When pop stayed on the Alabaska lynch.. he seemed pretty clear to me, but I would have liked another investigation to be sure.

And as far as BM making a "wise choice"..... It worked out for scum, but I don't really see replacing out as valid strategy. That would make me insane.