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The kind of behavior the pact endorses is terrible for scum hunting. Letting people make their own decisions and be held accountable for them is really good I hear. Not to mention how the plan exacerbates tunnel vision and rushes claims.
The Nhat-Peter Griffin thing is possibly notable for later. But much later.
[rant]BM needs to stop fucking multi-posting for no reason. The material you are posting is ALL IN THE THREAD AT THE TIME YOU ARE POSTING. Be patient enough to put multiple trains of thought in the same post before you blow your load.[/rant]
That said, I want to look at the people who jumped into the plan sorta later on. Plenty of room for abuse there.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I have found Wolf has a tendency to agree with ideas that look well supported a lot more then normal, or I would have voted him.I agree with this sentiment, though I think wolf was being much more blatant.
SC, BM likes these dumb "Lets all gang up and vote someone to proceed the game" things regardless of alignment I think.
As for him posting infinite, he also has a tendency to be killed early on because a vig or scum group finds him too damn random/annoying to play the game with. You know its bad when a scum group targets you because.
Also, quality + quantity = good, but one without the other is not indicative of being scum. Moderate quantity without quality is, and a complete lack of both is as well.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Gut != valid. Explain please.cerebus wrote: Admittedly, I should go back and finish reading the pre-game, but that is where my guts takes me based upon the first 7 or so pages.
SC: BM's posts weren't really devoid of content, and the example you are using is flawed. Its not 3 vs 10, its 73 vs 3, in which the 73 add up to actual content, just spread out. Also, I'm interested in why you are insisting on content before there is even a random stage.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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nhat wrote: I mean he's soft-claiming town by including himself in the group who scumhunts. He's labeling himself town, but subtly. I can live with an all out townie claim, even a clever or humorous one. But one under the radar like this rubs me the wrong way.
This.Cyber wrote: nhat, there is no way in hell "too townie" is ever going to fly as a valid scumtell if I have anything to say about it.
Elaborate plz.Ceph wrote: Vote: Untitled for craplogic, pretty sure I touched on this in the pregame.
Not really. You can be trying to lynch someone from vote #1.SC wrote: While I'm at it, Snaps_the_Pirate's case on me at #271 sucks since Battle Mage isn't anywhere near lynch either. What doesn't make sense is how one measly person, who has said multiple times that he has to manage things one case at a time, can be trying to push for a lynch when 14 people have to agree that the person is scummy. You, my friend, are blowing my case out of proportion.
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You definitely did suggest his lynch. Just not in a direct kill now plz way.Do you honestly think it is pro-town of me to suggest somebody's lynch this early and with this few posts on Battle Mage when I've repeatedly stated that there are too many posts to manage everybody's case?
It sorta is.Minor FoS: animorpherv1 because this is not the random voting stage.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I endorse this post.@Dynamo: why are you so hesitant to vote? Both cases look strong enough for this phase of the game, and they're both at L-12 or something like that.
Vote nhat. I really don't like how he tried to misrepresent PG's post and then responded to EA's post in an attempt to extend the misrep. Among other things.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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1) Why is soft claiming bad?Ok, looks from what I've heard nhat is has been Soft Claiming- and that's not good, therefore unvote vote: nhat
2) This is the post that there is the issue with
Do you think what Untitled did (the bolded section) was a soft claim? Was it scummy?nhat wrote:Eh, just one soft claim
in post 143 Untitled wrote: exactly, we're still in pre-game and you've already managed to start an argument with several people over something that's pretty much useless for determining alignment. that and the fact that you apparently think it's hilarious to get people riled over nothing. unless you change your behaviour once the game starts, I can't see you being anything other than a detrimentto our scumhunting.vote - UntitledAway Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Disagreement is fine. Except when your vote was more or less baseless and based upon illogical attacking of minutia.For people to vote me for that is plain silly. Disagreement is fine, as I had said before.
And the pact, while a dumb idea, attracted not so dumb responses.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Yeah, that too. I'm having issues connecting separated scummy events by 1 player in this game due to speed + size.The way he jumped on the treaty, but mostly how he had two cases today, but didn't vote.
Cass, he votes EA because he is vote flopping after 10 pages of relevant discussion based on weak premises. And vote should = intent to lynch here. Not necessarily end with lynch right there, but want to see a line of action that could lead to that.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Not true. Korts was considered on it, and I'm P sure one other person (Wolf?) was on it too.dynamo wrote: Okay but I agreed to be the second person on that pact,
Again, early D1 usually there aren't 10 pages of info like there are. At this point your vote should be on someone that if nothing changes you would not mind seeing lynched. I can understand unvoting so more info can happen like you said, but that is different.cass wrote: I disagree that a vote = always an intent to lynch.
I can see Netlava's logic.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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The issue is the runner posts just cause the thread to extent longer and longer for no reason, which makes rereads practically impossible. Not to mention reading it the first time is obnoxious.Woah, dude, don't get pissy because you aren't the only one who is allowed to post alot. That said, this reaction is pretty standard from Armlx.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Depends on the level of reading the person has to do, and whether the skimming leads to misreps IMO.Skimming is scummy because protown players are more likely to read stuff in order to understand it and properly comment on it. Scum dont need to hunt scum, and can afford to be lazy. This does not necessarily apply in tl;dr type posts, but in general, i feel it's a pretty sound scumtell.
nhat was being voted for being unreasonable. He became reasonable, my vote had no backing.nhat makes one attack he agrees with, so he lets nhat off the hook? Yet he doesn't agree with the attack enough to put his vote on me? And then he starts calling my voting pattern flimsy.
I felt people would add their own responses if they felt slighted by either of our statements. If your votes had legit reasons behind them, they wouldn't be attacked. That was my point.Although Korts later pointed out where armlx could have got this point of view from, armlx flat out ignored my challenge, which makes me believe he never really had that point of view to begin with.
How is this a scum tell?Also while looking through his posts I noticed that he's been voting Dynamo for most of the day, but otherwise has completely ignored Dynamo. This is another solid scumtell and I'd be happy with an armlx lynch today.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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After unvoting nhat, I figuredmy first intuitions about the pact were most likely the most accurate and that Dynamo's action was the scummiest thing so far.Hm, I had not even noticed that armlx was pushing wagons without putting his vote on them... explains my bad feeling I guess.
I'm curious if he has an explanation.
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So.... you are voting for me because you disagree with my defense, but agree with my defense in that Dynamo is really scummy?cass wrote: I like the case on Dynamo too
I figured nhat was just being unreasonable in general, which is not a scum tell usually, as opposed to being deliberately misrepresentative.You voted nhat for misrepresenting PeterGriffin, but then decided he didn't misrepresent PeterGriffin because you liked his attack on me? Not buying it.
1. You haven't shown me how its a scum tell.Townies do not ignore they player they're voting for.
2. Everything that I have on Dynamo I've said already. The pact hop was EXTREMELY scummy, possibly worse then vote hopping someone like that.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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No, I'm talking about Dynamo trying to /in on the pact.
I am in the process of rereading and I just got past that part. I didnt see how his change in thought was that scummy. It is something I am keeping in mind while I finish reading but it doesnt seem like a big deal to me.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I'm not ignoring it. I've made my point, made my vote, and am working with other discussion that is also happening.2. You just don't stop digging your own grave, do you? If the pact hop was EXTREMELY SCUMMY then you have absolutely no excuse whatsoever to be ignoring it. Period.
You know this is false. Especially as Dynamo didn't really respond to the issues raised against him during the time you are accusing me of "ignoring" him.1. Townies do not ignore the player they're voting for because it defeats the entire purpose of voting. If they want more information, they ask questions until they change their mind or are convinced they've found scum; when the latter occurs, they convince the town to join them. This is what's known as "scumhunting", and you haven't been doing it. The only reason townies ignore the player they're voting for is that they're lazy or inattentive or just plain gone, and you have shown yourself to be neither.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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The early flip-flop on nhat was due to the fact he had a point about EA. Making unreasonable cases early D1 is less scummy then flip flopping there. I completely forgot about Dynamo in the whole pre-game thing at that time.armlx, why the early flip-flop on nhat? I've read your posts but do not see a suitable answer for what I am asking. You claim he was just being unreasonable and not scummy, and then you vote him, and then unvote him. This seems like distancing to me. Disagreeing with someone and calling them town simultaneously, then voting them for a short period and unvoting them as soon as they become "reasonable." However, just because he has become reasonable doesn't mean his past actions are null and void! Scum can clean up their act, yes? I dislike your handling of the nhat situation, and your lack of attention to Dynamo. Can you restate your reasons for voting him/her now please?
His actions aren't null, just down the priority queue.
Dynamo is scummy for his trying to hop on the pact forming wagon, plus ye olde non-committal FOSing scum tell.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Because he clearly wasn't going to respond any faster due to pressure given his absence pattern before there was pressure.If his lack of response was the problem, why weren't you pressuring him to respond?
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