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[KittyTacky]

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I played with:
T3
Almost50
Gamma Emerald (don't remember their playstyle however)
cyrus (briefly, in a game I blundered)
Elsa Jay
Titus
Dunnstral (again, don't remember much)
Nero Cain
Andres
NDMath

So most of the list. I played a Large Normal before but I was scum there (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404) and it was larger and not multiball.
I really don't like the wagon on T3. VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[KittyTacky]

God I love your optimism. Would hug you. But no real sorry to say unless meta has changed drastically buy 3/3 ain't happening shy of 20/21 players on this site. 2/2/1 maybe 3/1 most likely still have a question to ask mod pertaining to that

3/1 isn't multiball tho. Multiball needs multiple scumteams. Not a SK.

[KittyTacky]

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I played with:
T3
Almost50
Gamma Emerald (don't remember their playstyle however)
cyrus (briefly, in a game I blundered)
Elsa Jay
Titus
Dunnstral (again, don't remember much)
Nero Cain
Andres
NDMath

So most of the list. I played a Large Normal before but I was scum there (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404) and it was larger and not multiball.
I really don't like the wagon on T3. VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

What don't you like about it, and why did you vote HEM

Because it's a rapidly-growing RVS wagon and I don't want this to become a lolhammer. HEM cast the third vote which is what "made" the wagon.

[KittyTacky]

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I played with:
T3
Almost50
Gamma Emerald (don't remember their playstyle however)
cyrus (briefly, in a game I blundered)
Elsa Jay
Titus
Dunnstral (again, don't remember much)
Nero Cain
Andres
NDMath

So most of the list. I played a Large Normal before but I was scum there (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404) and it was larger and not multiball.
I really don't like the wagon on T3. VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

What don't you like about it, and why did you vote HEM

Because it's a rapidly-growing RVS wagon and I don't want this to become a lolhammer. HEM cast the third vote which is what "made" the wagon.

???
it takes 9 to lim and it's only 3 votes
why do growing wagons scare you

Yes it's only 3 votes but scum can pile up. One scumteam voting him + someone else voting is already E-2 which could be lolhammered (denying town discussion) or out a strong PR early. I wouldn't be scared if it was a few pages later and a legitimate reason to SR him.

[KittyTacky]

You don't see my reason as legitimate?

Nope.

[KittyTacky]

Hello excuse me I'm KittyTacky and I don't like wagons because wagons are scummy only scum make wagons

Not only scum make wagons in general, but scum often make wagons literally 3 pages in.

[KittyTacky]

You don't see my reason as legitimate?

Nope.

Why?
His initial hyperposting pinged me especially knowing he tends to be a very low poster.

Does he? He was pretty quiet in the last game I was with him where he was scum. He was limmed D1 tho.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: KittyTacky

> Votes me because I'm the third vote in the wagon.
> Obviously, scum makes wagons.
> And not only that, scum often makes wagons 3 pages in.
> I'm not even the third vote in the wagon.

This is what it looks like when scum is trying to fake a reason to vote 4 pages in.

Well I thought RVS wagons were a scum thing. I heard it

was

but I don't remember where. Apparently not.

I am still a relative noob to this site and the meta.

Ok lovely thank you. The definitions for multiball were always a tad murky to me.

Kitty, how many times have you experienced an early RVS wagon formed by scum as opposed to one formed by town?

In the game I linked I, a scumbuddy, and someone who later turned out to be a traitor pushed a LHF townie early. Here is the link again. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404

I think this is where I got the idea that early wagons often have scum on them. Too little of a sample size however.

[KittyTacky]

I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.

I thought I understood it but upon re-reading, I realized I don't understand this. Can you rephrase?

Yeah where did I call bullshit on mechanics talk?

[KittyTacky]

Well I thought RVS wagons were a scum thing. I heard it was but I don't remember where. Apparently not.

Why apparently not? Have you changed your mind and now think I'm town?

Yeah your response looked like a townie who was accused rather than a scum who was accused (and so was NNNs). I can tell the difference between that at least.

UNVOTE: for now.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah your response looked like a townie who was accused rather than a scum who was accused (and so was NNNs). I can tell the difference between that at least.

What's the difference?

I didn't see you get flustered at all in your posts after my accusation. At least

I

would get quite flustered if I was scumread early as scum.

[KittyTacky]

In the game I linked I, a scumbuddy, and someone who later turned out to be a traitor pushed a LHF townie early.

I think this is where I got the idea that early wagons often have scum on them. Too little of a sample size however.

I looked at the first few pages. It looks like the LHF you are referring to is Cabd (which is funny considering he's a decent oldtimer) but the first RVS wagon was actually on scum you. A bit of a strange conclusion even with a sample size of 1

Yeah there were two RVS wagons. One was on scum, the other on town (I got away with it and Cabd hanged a few Days later).

What's your read list right now, KittyTacky?

I don't have enough reads yet to make an interesting list, expect one tomorrow.

But I think you are town as I liked your reaction to my vote, ActionDan just pings me as town, while A50 is oddly active unlike in my last game with him (he was town). Though maybe that's a case of A50 not being as busy/being more interested in the game this time around.

I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.

I don't like this. Mechanics talk is how we figure out the setup-- that's hard to do with just flips.

[KittyTacky]

I think there's a legit possibility that Elsa Jay and Kitty are partners

How so?

[KittyTacky]

KittyTacky calls me scum based on shoddy reasons and backtracks because my reactions (which was to immediately OMGUS him) is town to him.
Elsa Jay TMIs KittyTacky as town, tries to divert by announcing with trumpets and fanfare that he's gonna pressure vote Titus and "this is so much better i promise"

yeah I'm happy with my vote

Oh NVM I need to read further before replying.

I think ot might be scum pocketing instead. Or like. Dragging someone down with her.

[KittyTacky]

In the game I linked I, a scumbuddy, and someone who later turned out to be a traitor pushed a LHF townie early.

I think this is where I got the idea that early wagons often have scum on them. Too little of a sample size however.

I looked at the first few pages. It looks like the LHF you are referring to is Cabd (which is funny considering he's a decent oldtimer) but the first RVS wagon was actually on scum you. A bit of a strange conclusion even with a sample size of 1

how the fuck was CABD LHF?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He was silent all game and I blew it out of proportion to scapegoat him. Didn't hang as easily as I thought though.

[KittyTacky]

I'm very ok with my Elsa Jay vote.

Town want to scumhunt every day.
If you believe my track record is good at finding scum, then why are you wanting to do a pressure vote on me before I even generate those reads? Why not instead give me the tools to find scum and see what I do with them?

I also do not appreciate your hedge on hem.

^^^^^

Elsa first did something that looked like pocketing then said she's not trying to scumhunt????

VOTE: Elsa

[KittyTacky]

I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

Phoneposting isn't that bad for this TBH.

[KittyTacky]

Yes it's only 3 votes but scum can pile up. One scumteam voting him + someone else voting is already E-2 which could be lolhammered (denying town discussion) or out a strong PR early. I wouldn't be scared if it was a few pages later and a legitimate reason to SR him.

Now I'm confused. You assume one Scum team (3 votes) + "someone else" makes it E-2 "which could be lolhammered" with an additional 2 (presumably scum) votes. Doesn't that imply you should be TRing the 3 voters on T3 already? Yet you're voting HEM, implying you expect every scum player to be voting the wagon at some point?? Is T3 confirmed to you?? See where I'm coming from (or rather puzzled about)?

I think it'd help if you provided reads on T3, nom, HEM & AD with a brief reasoning for each. It won't solve the whole problem, but it would help me figure where you're coming from. Thank you

It was a poor read as I admitted and I backtracked on it.

Will post a readslist soon.

[KittyTacky]

What is Cyrus even doing though? I'm getting Not_Mafia flashbacks.

[KittyTacky]

Before I was mostly messing around but after only 11pages haveing 3 people as Poe already seems rather early so yes now Nero is on my scum redar

4 scum is the standard in a 17 player. If sk isn't a possibility then it's most likely 2/2.

It can't be less than 2/2 or it's not multiball. I doubt SK but anything can happen.

[KittyTacky]

Reads:

CONFIRMED TOWN

KittyTacky - I know I am town.

LOCKTOWN

<Nobody yet>

STRONG TOWNREAD

Titus - seems to be

actually

interested in solving the game instead of faking it, as well as a good tone.
ActionDan - this just smells townie to me. I don't really see this flipping scum.

MILD TOWNREAD

humaneatingmonkey - I like his reaction to my push. Not much else.
Nero Cain - gut.
Gamma Emerald - also gut.

NULL

Everyone else.

MILD SCUMREAD

Cyrus - "They are possessed and talking nonsense" (though probably his playstyle, hence it's mild)

STRONG SCUMREAD

Elsa - already explained before, pocketed me and then tried to discourage town from scumhunting.

OUTED SCUM

<Nobody yet>

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I am mostly a gut player, I will be honest. I am unsure how to feel about A50's catch-up in particular.

[KittyTacky]

Because it's a rapidly-growing RVS wagon and I don't want this to become a lolhammer. HEM cast the third vote which is what "made" the wagon.

Do you still feel the same after realizing HEM's was the 2nd vote not the 3rd?

I don't really feel anything on it because it's a wrong read and I backed out on it.

[KittyTacky]

To be nice. I can't defend I guy I don't "townread". So I said that.

It's not that hard. For guilt not-alignment reasons I defend a guy. What part of that is hard to understand?

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

I just noticed that Lucifer has posted and it's just a naked vote

Lucifer is in this game?

[KittyTacky]

I am mostly a gut player, I will be honest. I am unsure how to feel about A50's catch-up in particular.

I like the honesty here but we will have conflict as I hate gut reads. Please at least highlight which posts give rise to your gut reads.

For Nero it's less a specific post and more like... his style if it makes sense? Also yes he's quiet but he's town quiet. I can't explain this but I do not see his posts coming from scum. His last scum game with me had a different style.

[KittyTacky]

And Gamma? He is very emotional. Again, not specific posts, it's his

tone

.

[KittyTacky]

I have 10 people who wanna kill me because I wanted to defend a guy. I hate this.

VOTE: Kitty

More like because bullshitting reads and being open and unapologetic for it is a scum move.

[KittyTacky]

Because he's scummy, dumbo.

I only defended him to repay a self imposed debt because I felt bad. That literally had nothing to do with alignment of this game, I just wanted to be able to talk to him more to make up for last time.

I don't make plays like that day 1 unless I'm trying to be FRIENDLY to people and get to know them better. I defend people I'm either friends with cuz I wanna play with them longer, nice people who are ganged up on, or some newbies who I think can't defend themselves.

For you everything has to have an alignment purpose for an agenda or some shit. For me I just do things to know people better regardless of my alignment.

To me it read more like a blatant pocketing attempt by scum.

[KittyTacky]

Also explain how I am scummy, Elsa. You wanted to talk after all.

[KittyTacky]

At this rate we won't be able to talk because you will get yourself killed D1, not me.

[KittyTacky]

If I wanted a pocket I'd use it on someone more useful then you Kitty.

Ah but anyone else doesn't have the convenient excuse of "I was rude to them in the last game we played".

[KittyTacky]

My priority is to sort Elsa and Kitty. Both egregiously play against their alignment whatever it may be, which generally I don't try to fault the players for but each has both had multiple games of experience on site and each has had the audacity on different occasions to refer to other players as "LHF" and "stupid town" and "miselim bait".

I have no idea how I will do that with Kitty. In a vacuum their recent vote looks both shallow, opportunistic, and not original. This lazy posting isn't new. Perhaps some sort of meta dive has to be done just like it must be done for Elsa.

I have mild ADHD.

[KittyTacky]

I was quiet because I was busy you tomato.

There's this complete clumsiness coming from both parties that just makes me feel this is two scums that found themselves duking it out in the middle of day 1
pedit: I haven't given this game a thorough reread if that's what you're asking me
However I feel a bit happier about a few slots from recent interactions

I'm town, I'm just honestly confused by Elsa doing... this.

Ummm not a fan of 636 and I don't think Titus is being angry?

Oh yeah. It's a terrible take. cyrus is still town.

I don't see how he's such blatant town. Null at best.

I read through the isos of you and elsa in the game you linked Iec. The only thing I can say for sure is that each set of posts from him are all equally vapid. I'd need a scum game of his to compare to see if there's any noticeable difference there. This is where you come in @Almost, hit me up

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86090

Personally I am reconsidering things. I got off the ELsa wagon and didn't know where else I want to vote. There are a few "missing slots" who may appear on the VC but not actually in-thread

Iecerint, LuciferMorningStar, Testarossa?

Can we discuss something other than meta? Thanks.

The way Elsa tries to dismantle their wagon by creating different reasons they're being wagoned to try to paint the wagon as bad is scummy

Aside from that, they just don't feel towny

I'll say 100 reasons why your wrong if it means I live. I can't feel townie if I don't get to play my town games past day 1. Scum is my default mindset RN. I'm trying to get out of it.

Seeing as theirs 4 days left I'll be more honest too so I have all my chips on the table. And unlike normal where you can call me a liar, it's easy to call me out on it.

I'm a 1-shot neighborizor. Not even loyal or anything. I just pick a person and make a PT with them. If it helps, the Mod doesn't use the American version and instead uses 'Neighbourizor'. With a U. You all can even pick a target for me if you want.

I'm sorry I fucked up day 1. But it ain't me.

Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

I AM HARDCLAIMING PR. FROM THE INFORMATION I KNOW ELSA IS VERY LIKELY A SCUM NEIGHBORIZER

Might as well come out in full, you now have a scum target on your back and town doesn't have enough info on you.

But it's not a hardclaim...? What's your role, what are you talking about, etc.?

Based on my role (which I don't want to say rn) Elsa is very likely a mafia neighborizer.

T3, how can we gauge this information if you won't even tell us how you got this information?

Actually you know what it's fine.

I'm 2-shot neighborizer.

Nevermind, that's a counterclaim.

Can we trust that you're not fakeclaiming to push through an elimination.

It doesn't matter, if Elsa is town he hang T3 tomorrow. It's a simple tactic. 1 for 1.

There is no way I believe T3 makes a move like this as scum. Never.
I happen to be wrong sometimes but T3 just doesn't strike me as someone who makes yoloclaims like this as scum.

Now T3 is town to me just because of how he put his claim but look at Sibyl's Elegy, he jumped between 2 claims and claimed it was a "gambit" as scum (and got hanged for it day 1).

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Torn between hanging Elsa today and letting her and T3 prove themselves (one of them is still probably scum)... on the other hand Elsa is just generally scummier.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

[KittyTacky]

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

[KittyTacky]

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

[KittyTacky]

Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

When did you read those reviews? Weren’t you busy?

I had been reading them for weeks before to learn about setup stuff. It's not a recent thing.

[KittyTacky]

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

I hate these posts all bunched together like this
It’s a scummy sort of hate FYI

I have a problem with hitting the submit button too early and having to finish my thoughts in a second (or third, or fourth) post.

[KittyTacky]

I think the only key difference between this game vs a regular game is that bussing doesn't work because it nullifies any town cred you would otherwise gain from it in a normal game. i have no idea how this relates to our current situation. i just want to put it out there for everyone to stew on.

That, and counterclaims don't semi-clear the CCer as they could be from a different scum team. Which could be what's happening with T3 and Elsa but... doubt it. I think both scum teams would have the same shotting on their neighborizers, if both have them.

Re: generally the Cyrus convo
I retract my SR on Cyrus actually. I think he just plays weirdly. I'll go re-read a bit of the game soon to see if I have any more strong SRs than Elsa.

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[KittyTacky]

So, you doubt it? You think that if Elsa flips scum, T3 is probably town?

Yeah.

[KittyTacky]

What if Elsa flips town would t3 be scum?

I thought that was implicit from what I said?

Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

When did you read those reviews? Weren’t you busy?

I had been reading them for weeks before to learn about setup stuff. It's not a recent thing.

okay

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

I hate these posts all bunched together like this
It’s a scummy sort of hate FYI

I have a problem with hitting the submit button too early and having to finish my thoughts in a second (or third, or fourth) post.

The multi post isn’t the issue. The issue is the set of thoughts expressed.

How so>

[KittyTacky]

*?

[KittyTacky]

What if Elsa flips town would t3 be scum?

I thought that was implicit from what I said?

Reading setup reviews, a heavily gated neighborizer is often scum.

When did you read those reviews? Weren’t you busy?

I had been reading them for weeks before to learn about setup stuff. It's not a recent thing.

okay

Yeah on a second thought, just 1-for-1 the two of them.

Unless the mod is trolling us we are unlikely to have 2 town neighborizers.

Both can be scum though, from different teams if that's the case. So keep that in mind.

I hate these posts all bunched together like this
It’s a scummy sort of hate FYI

I have a problem with hitting the submit button too early and having to finish my thoughts in a second (or third, or fourth) post.

The multi post isn’t the issue. The issue is the set of thoughts expressed.

How so>

so you admit you don't know if either one is town or scum?

Elsa is more likely to be scum, but if she is actually a townie then if we kill T3 tomorrow, 99% chance he's scum. An 1:1 trade is usually good for town.

[KittyTacky]

A 1 shot neogjborizer and a 2 neighborizer basicaly can't coexist as both town.

Yeah my point exactly.

Then it's easy dont vote either t3 or Elsa off we crumb who we want them to message and we find out who is lieing but if we must vote someone off vote kitty

This plan falls apart because

both can be neighborizers, just from different factions.

How hard is it to understand?

I mean I don't care. If Elsa is town, T3 takes a dive after.

I don't think that really follows, unless Normals don't allow this in 2021. I don't know how warped the Normal meta has become, in terms of things being "too zany for a Normal."

A recent game had an all-doctor scumteam.

So in the last 10 of them there has not been a SINGLE one of them that had duplicate power roles for town? If what Nero said is true or happens atleast once in awhile.

Also I haven't even accused you but you seem super gung ho on my death still. And since you confirmed your truly don't have a modifier... Well now I know your lying on that front, since I DO got one.

Frankly I didn't expect someone to do something as stupidly CC a Neighborizor, so T3 is probably one too. I wasn't gonna reveal this part yet but honestly it'll do better not dealing with more baseless accusations from T3.

My 1-shot neighborizor has the WEAK modifier, dummy. I literally just need one night to prove it against someone, unlike you. I didn't want this to be revealed during the day. I was gonna say at the end of today I was neighboring a particular person so when I died it would've been obvious and scum wouldn't know it.

I'm not living past day 3. In fact, I DON'T want to because then someone will use me as an elimination during ELLO. When there's only 9 or 10 people left you all can kill me. Hell, even let a vig shoot me day 2 if you must. Just let me confirm one person tonight. I don't know what T3's modifier he's lying about is, but he's not exactly being honest either.

You all pick who I target. You all garuntee I don't make it to endgame. That's okay. I just actually wanna do something for town instead of be blamed later on in this game.

"Oh Elsa was scummy as usual so we killed her day 1. She should've kept quiet, then she could've helped town out. Sucks to be her." - Random person in the voice of a monkey.

I just want to help town, damnit. Even if you kill me later atleast you'll know my neighbor'd target is innocent. Or if I die, atleast you'll know who's the big suspect. Even me dying night 1 is better then dying like an idiot now.

You know what? If we agree on a good target I'm fine with keeping Elsa alive for now, we need to find two really town-seeming people to be neighbors. Same for T3. I have a good idea but if I say much scum might take action3. Not sure if I want to unvote yet however.

Dunn you literally camped on me all day. If you REALLY believe me and Kitty are both evil, then how about this?

We elim him today so I atleast get to actually try and use my ability. At the very least, it'll end with me dead by scum killing me, my dying as weak, or me dying before endgame so I don't become an easy elim then. At this point you actually might get more info from me alive then dead anyway.

See I don't quite buy your weak claim. Too much potential for death especially if there's a vig/SK. It just reads like a scum fucking up and panicking.

[KittyTacky]

I think the only key difference between this game vs a regular game is that bussing doesn't work because it nullifies any town cred you would otherwise gain from it in a normal game. i have no idea how this relates to our current situation. i just want to put it out there for everyone to stew on.

That, and counterclaims don't semi-clear the CCer as they could be from a different scum team. Which could be what's happening with T3 and Elsa but... doubt it. I think both scum teams would have the same shotting on their neighborizers, if both have them.

Re: generally the Cyrus convo
I retract my SR on Cyrus actually. I think he just plays weirdly. I'll go re-read a bit of the game soon to see if I have any more strong SRs than Elsa.

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I am at a loss. I don't see WHY Scum would CC a neighbourizer to begin with. Regardless of Elsa's alignment; T3 has put a big red X on his own back. If Elsa flips green T3 gets lim'd, and if Elsa flips red T3 gets either shot or lim'd still.

In other words, I don't see that CC coming from Scum!T3 at all. I still dunno what that means for Elsa, but I think I'm in no position to state a read on him anyway.

I said I doubt it precisely for this reason. The only reason why it's not completely off the table is that, as seen is Sibyl's Elegy, scum!T3 is prone to weird, dubious ballsy plays (got him killed in that game).

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Derp_Phase except there's no hammer yet.

[KittyTacky]

This is shit. Big big shit.

VOTE: Elsa

For future reference HEM: even if I'm scum this time, I literally only defended Kitty because I felt bad because I'm an emotional player like that.

Sorry for that man. If I was in any way hurt by your rudeness back then I'd have said it post-game. But I didn't.

[KittyTacky]

So I just read that as a scum excuse.

[KittyTacky]

were there any doubts

About it being a scum excuse? A bit. Then Elsa dug himself deeper.

[KittyTacky]

No I meant about Elsa flipping scum

Well he wasn't mod-confirmed scum so yes. Still I'd say it was a more than 50/50 chance of being scum so I kept pushing.

I still think you're scum from the other team Kitty. Seems to be what has happened this game phase.

No I'm not.

[KittyTacky]

How about scum from the same team as Elsa? :O

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

T3

Almost50

Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

Titus

Arcangel9 (replaces LuciferMorningStar)

ActionDan

KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa

Andresvmb

NDMath

Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

I'm dumb, I thought this was a readslist at first and was ready to question it but it's just the player list.

[KittyTacky]

This is hammer right?

[KittyTacky]

Actiondan has been eliminated. They were a Town Even-night Jailkeeper.
NDMath has also been eliminated. They were a Town 2-shot Alignment Cop.

2-shot Alignment Cop

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome!

You are a

Town 2-shot Cop

.

You may attempt to target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their alignment, but not their role name. If your action fails, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated, and at least one Town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Even-night Jailkeeper

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome!

You are a

Town Even-night Jailkeeper

.

On even-numbered nights, you may attempt to target a player. That person will be roleblocked and immune to kills that night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated, and at least one Town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

I assume no SK then.

KittyTacky, do you have anything you think you should claim?

Nope.

Also, I do lean towards kitty being mafia anyway

Explain your read.

[KittyTacky]

793-795

Thought experiment: if it was in one post would it be as scummy or less so?

[KittyTacky]

793-795

Thought experiment: if it was in one post would it be as scummy or less so?

It would be the same

I will be honest, I don't really see how that's scummy.

I'll post an updated readslist later today I suppose.

[KittyTacky]

I also thinking kitty funny kitty was the one pushing the wagon so hard and they are still alive

Doesn't mean much, even if I was mafia I could still get killed at night by the werewolves for pushing Elsa. I think they left me alone for being widely scumleaned.

[KittyTacky]

This only specifies that the mafia team weren't aiming for the other team
what about the werewolves?

I'm obviously not a werewolf so does it matter?

According to you, sure you're not a werewolf
I haven't investigated that matter yet, so I can't speak with the same confidence.

I doubt it unless this is some sort of 1000IQ hard bussing play.

[KittyTacky]

I don't see how Dunn is so sure both teams were hunting town also. NDMath was null to me and I don't see how he would look that townie to anyone.

And of course, why does one guy get to be a 2-shot alignment cop, but someone else is a 1-shot gunsmith?

So why are you a gunsmith when the other guy is an alignment cop?

because the setup works better that way? Don't ask me, ask Sirius (or whoever pre-designed this) in post-game

Between those two posts... I think it makes more sense for gunsmith to be scum and alignment cop to be town. I'll hold off on voting Gamma yet but

FOS: Gamma

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There is also absolutely no reason for Gamma to claim GS if he got a no result as town unless he specifically thinks that Kitty is some form of ascetic/untargetable, at this point it comes off as scum trying to determine what exactly blocked their attempt.

This too. Rolefishing.

[KittyTacky]

I neighborized nomnomnom.

Who's your second target then?

[KittyTacky]

I neighborized nomnomnom.

Who's your second target then?

Is this some kind of claim, or are you misunderstanding something?

Isn't that how a neighborizer works? You pick two targets and they become neighbors with each other.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty is the only one there imo who looks initially scummy by his treatment of Elsa on D1. Dislike his fos on Gamma today too.

Okay I understand how those three posts are scummy now but

how is my push on Elsa scummy?

It felt like blatant pocketing.

[KittyTacky]

Multiball with 2 scum per team is very bad for bussing. Scum are going to hard defend their scumpartner. Elsa hard defends Kitty for no reason. Later in the day Elsa moves on to Kitty as it seems he is being limmed. This feels like a last-ditch distancing attempt.

Elsa defended me because she wanted apologizing... but there was no evidence an apology was needed. It was pocketing that failed.

[KittyTacky]

Missed this starting due to the delay.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty lived agin I think they are scum

Why would scum kill me? People lean scum on me.

[KittyTacky]

Since there's a massclaim... I am a Town Neighbor with Nero Cain and Andres. I have no other roles.

[KittyTacky]

TLDR (for those who can't read): Nero has access to a PT with someone who is still alive, so not T3's target last night and not the other Mason (since Dunn claimed he is). Nero is either Mafia or WW, but his defence of Elsa make me lean WW

That's because he's in my hood.

[KittyTacky]

A50s result isn't fake. I mean I guess there's no point in me not claiming but I'm in a hood with kitty and andre

Well guess my claim is pointless aside from the vanilla neighbor thing. This is town Nero BTW, he was... different in Sibyl's.

[KittyTacky]

How dose a mass claim help town wouldn't every one claim vt any way including scum? And out the rest of prs

Same as VFR in Town Of Salem. If you turn the uninformed majority into an informed one, you're much more likely to win.

[KittyTacky]

The Traffic Analyst claim seems to be true at least by what I can tell. Curiously I am not really townreading anyone in this hood.

@Nero/Kitty:
Can you share Andres reads with us? Have to take what we can get.

@Mod is screenshotting it legal?

Lean Town
{humaneatingmonkey, ActionDan}
Slight Lean Town
{T3, Titus, KittyTacky, Dunnstral}
Neutral / Could Swing Either Direction
{Almost50, Testarossa}
Slight Lean Scum
{NDMath, nomnomnom, Nero Cain}
Lean Scum
{Gamma Emerald, cyrus62, Iecerint}
Scum
{Elsa Jay}
Null
{LuciferMorningStar / Arcangel9}

I’m going to live a little long this game because there’s some good players but I wanted to put my thoughts out there.

I’m only suspicious of Iecerint in the context of them perhaps being aligned with ActionDan. If they’re both aligned together that’s a dangerous pairing. But I do think ActionDan is Town.

This was during night 1.

[KittyTacky]

@Kitty:
Do you believe there is scum in your hood? Generally, where do you have your head at rn?

No strong SRs on anyone in the hood. Fairly sure Nero is town. It's Andres if anyone. I'm willing to vote Titus after I poke through their ISO.

[KittyTacky]

Andre basically had scum reads on 3 town (me, math and gamma) then iec and Cyrus

The list kitty posted is from earlier he gave an updated list later with the reads I said

Yeah I copied the first one.

Okay I finished catching up. Before the Night ends, this is where I’m at.

Lean Town
{humaneatingmonkey, T3 [2-Shot Neighborizer], ActionDan, Dunnstral}
Slight Lean Town
{Titus, KittyTacky, nomnomnom, Testarossa}
Neutral / Could Swing Either Direction
{Almost50}
Slight Lean Scum
{NDMath, Nero Cain}
Lean Scum
{Gamma Emerald, cyrus62, Iecerint}
Werewolf
{Elsa Jay}
Other Scum Faction
{ }
Null
{LuciferMorningStar / Arcangel9}

[KittyTacky]

Sorry for accidentally getting myself replaced...

[KittyTacky]

Quoted private comms, forgot that wasn't allowed. I learned my lesson.