Large Normal 235: Large Normal With No Multiball [Game Over]

[Nero Cain]

I noticed that the site meta has changed over time.

It used to be that power roles were helpful to the town, and that claims helped solve the game. This is no longer true.

I just finished playing Sybil's Elegy which was a great example of the role distribution being designed to confuse at best, and F up at worse, the town. I have played others with similar anti-town mod shenanigans.

Here's the deal.

We should not claim, ever.

Treating the game as mountainous will increase our chances of winning.

What we should do (and I include vanilla townies) is to crumb our night choices somehow BEFORE the night. Vanilla townies must crumb fake targets.

When you're dead, and we know your role and alignment, we can go back and use the crumbs for the solve.

Solving games by way of RESULTS and CLAIMED ROLES will not work. It just doesn't work anymore.

VOTE: DGB

I c what I did there dw.

VOTE: dgb pe

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I mean, it's not impossible that Norway is scum that's hiding behind jokes but I'm not convinced yet

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Roden Town.

I very much disagree

[Nero Cain]

That omgus from rodent makes me think I'm right

[Nero Cain]

My phone prob autocorrect ed.bi don't think I wrote rodent

[Nero Cain]

Nah that's the towniest town that ever towned XD

I know you're being sarcastic althought town do omgus really hard.

Roden the only reason that you are voting me is bc I called u scum while my vote wasn't on u right?

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Hey Shrek what's roden saying in y'all's scum pt?

[Nero Cain]

Win=wants it more.

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VOTE: roden

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I don't even get y u are scum reading me t3

[Nero Cain]

I know it's early game but Shrek is real fluffy

[Nero Cain]

Imy initial reaction was that roden was scummy for buddying up to t3 but t3 kinda chainsaw defending roden and pushing me based on some posting frequency bull makes real worried that I was wrong and t3 is scum

[Nero Cain]

Tess, I'm not sure if I really like u joining the largest wagon when I don't know why it's a thing. My wagon is basically a rvs vote, another rvs/opportunist vote, omgus vote then a kinda chainsaw go with the flow vote

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Imy initial reaction was that roden was scummy for buddying up to t3 but t3 kinda chainsaw defending roden and pushing me based on some posting frequency bull makes real worried that I was wrong and t3 is scum

What if both are town?

Are u town reading roden, if so why?

[Nero Cain]

It's a question not a deflection. Why so defensive?

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Lq is town and cheeky is either manufacturing content or it's just really bad

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I think it's on the fake side will go into greater depth when I'm on a desktop

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Tbf my words are very heavy. U must be strong to carry them

[Nero Cain]

What game was that,kiwi?

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Lq u r so bad man. I swear You've scum read me every game and I've been scum in none of them

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Meager are you saying that u want to pile on me or that u want to vote cheeky? If it's me y r u scum reading me, if it's cheeky was are u being hesitant to vote there

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Meager =mega

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I'd policy eliminate lq but I'm not so sure he's scum. Tell me y he is.

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I mean, the whole I need to wagon you to get a read on you sounds kinda like bullshit and you are being hesitant to wagon me

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I mega

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I'm sorta low key TRing Nero at this point, but don't tell anyone, especially Nero.

How do u go from threatening to wagon me to light town reading me?

[Nero Cain]

my scumreads at the moment after one read through: T3& LQ
My strongest townreads are Roden, Mega, and DGB. I also townread Nero's early posts but I'm less sure there

What makes u less sure/why don't you like my later posts?

[Nero Cain]

Nero is a barren wasteland of content which I remember is super SI for him.

Lol guy

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Why aren't u voting me mega?

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If you read Shrek's iso he had 0 content early on. And I was scum reading roden already so is it really that hard of a concept that I thought they could be scum together?

My post about feeling like cheeky was being fake is seperate

[Nero Cain]

I'm being plenty of agressive?

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Why aren't u voting me mega?

Because I haven't seen you do anything particularly scummy yet.

Still waiting on that reasoning whenever you get on desktop though.

Right now I'm more focused on sorting out the people with less content posted.

Didn't you say u needed a wagon on me to read me?

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LQ probably town if Nero is scum as 212 is likely tmi.

Sigh.

Well townreads currently Mega, T3, Gamma, Testa, Roden.

Tell me why on T3.

Because he's been going on about Nero scum meta since he voted him well before I did.

Which means what?

Which means I'm proposing nero/t3 as SvT.

These feel very much like setting up lq and t3 when I flip town

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Why aren't u voting me mega?

Because I haven't seen you do anything particularly scummy yet.

Still waiting on that reasoning whenever you get on desktop though.

Right now I'm more focused on sorting out the people with less content posted.

Didn't you say u needed a wagon on me to read me?

I very much do not like a wagon on you until you can voice your points.
I said it would skew the reads if you have to defend yourself when you are giving your points simultaniously.
Hence why I am still off of your wagon.

I'm already having to defend myself and my points against cheeky wouldn't change anything. You just look like scum hesitant to vote town

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VOTE: mega

I mean maybe I'm the only one that really gets it bc it's about me but mega is threatening to wagon me while simultaneously saying that I haven't done anything real scummy. Like am I honestly the only one that thinks this is bs

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Truth

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I mean, I actually though cheeky was town at first and just thought some of their posting was bad and tbf cheeky does tunnel me as town

[Nero Cain]

Well I feel ignored.

Just wanted to let the new player give fresh reads of relatively undiscussed slots that are active but whatever.

See if Nero actually has some good points against cheeky here

before

piling on them though.

DoTW give thoughts on some more slots please.

But you still expressed interest in wagoning me while also claiming I haven't been scummy. I don't think my points against cheeky matter much and I also get a real vibe of where you are trying to put cheeky and I against each other

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I feel like I’m more familiar with your relationship with Nero and I also think Nero is scummy
So I’m a bit concerned you’re trying attack Cheeky’s ability to read you two

This last line is kinda bad. It's white knighting the kiwi

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I'm not even voting u silly

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I agree with u that this seems more like that bad town cheeky that death tunnels me and given that gamma is white knighting her and meta is putting us against one another it would make sense to me that she's town

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I just thought 163 and 168 and the lq scum read were horrible posting is all

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Mega is just scum that knows tess is town.

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I mean, I guess it's not impossible that she'd make a mistake like that as scum but I like to think she'd be a little more careful

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Or I'm just town freely giving my thoughts and you are just too full of yourself to think that anyone could find your posting to not be good. Get off your high horse and stop being petty

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I mean, I guess it's not impossible that she'd make a mistake like that as scum but I like to think she'd be a little more careful

Who?

Tess

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Like cheeks I think gamma is white knighting you hard in 367 and you are falling for it hook line and sinker

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How can u spot my scum play if I have a town pm? You just can't admit that you are wrong thus petty

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t3, are u legit scum reading me as in no walk backs when i flip tow?

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The only game I played with Nero (Sibyl's Elegy), he was traitor, and I'm not sure if his traitor meta is similar to his scum or town meta.

this isn't true. Not really sure if this is EAL worthy bc the short term gain seems minimal.

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Like cheeks I think gamma is white knighting you hard in 367 and you are falling for it hook line and sinker

Quick question: why do you think town!md wouldn’t white knight Cheeky?

she's not in any danger. i could see town you white knight defender her if she was but you are pushing an agenda. Unless you think that norway is scum you shouldn't give a hoot if he doesn't agree with her.

[Nero Cain]

It doesn’t carry much of the energy I remember from LN 230 or 231

i mean this is just subjective wishy-washyness. but he's als cherry picking my games and not using my most recent town games. Maybe force Gamma to go in depth instead of hang his hat on "not playing the same"

[Nero Cain]

How can u spot my scum play if I have a town pm? You just can't admit that you are wrong thus petty

:/ I'll let you live if you give me 3 scum reads that are legit.

i mean, i have no reason to lie. All your town reads are my scum reads wich won't make you feel any better about me but it is what it is. mega, gamma, maybe shrek, maybe roden, maybe t3 are my biggest scum reads

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if you think that pst is me scumreading cheeky for having different reads then either you cant read well or you are scum. do i think cheeks would scum read me for scum reading her town reads...yeah i would.

[Nero Cain]

u cant be this bad can u?

[Nero Cain]

mega, gamma, maybe shrek, maybe roden, maybe t3 are my biggest scum reads

nero didn't give scum reads-lq 2021

[Nero Cain]

3 scum reads that are legit.

this post doesn't specifically ask for reasons althought its not like i haven't previously talked about my reasons.

just leave me alone and do something useful besides misrep/misread

[Nero Cain]

I'm letting you give your arguement before picking a side, though I admit odds don't seem in your favor.

See if Nero actually has some good points against cheeky here before piling on them though.

here mega, who isn't scum reading me, expresses interest in joining the largest wagon.

I'm letting you give your arguement before picking a side,

though I admit odds don't seem in your favor

Why do u have to pick a side? if cheeky and I were TvT as I now think then it makes a ton of sense to pit me vs. her and chain elim. bolded is still threatning to wagon the biggest wagon.

you are just trying to start a push on a townie for no reason

tmi slip?

Also its not like I'm a contentless void. Why do you need to use my cheeky reasoning to sort me. Why not my reasoning for anyone else?

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I was scum reading Roden b4 he voted me.

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I don't understand your thing about 140 working against me. I called Roden scum from buddying t3 and then once I did roden and t3 started pushingg me. So I feel like its acceptable to do a double take on t3.

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last night I sorta thought about t3 doing some reaction test type push but if he's not then its fake bravado and he's likely scum.

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Nah that's the towniest town that ever towned XD

I know you're being sarcastic althought town do omgus really hard.

Roden the only reason that you are voting me is bc I called u scum while my vote wasn't on u right?

Kinda. I wanted to see your reaction and if you'd explain your stance, but you didn't even follow up with a vote. You sound unsure though, so gun to my head, I wouldn't flip you.
i mean you could have just used your words and asked me.

like i said i know that town do omgus hard but i still feel like the blank venge vote was on the scummy side.

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also megas vote history is a RVS on tess, a joke scum read on the mod and a realitivly safe vote on a50

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mega - comes in hot and asking questions which is something i rarely see scum doing if at all.

scum asking questions is a great way to look busy

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if you think that pst is me scumreading cheeky for having different reads then either you cant read well or you are scum. do i think cheeks would scum read me for scum reading her town reads...yeah i would.

You jump to conclusions that break my heart. </3

oh me of little faith

[Nero Cain]

Pressure on T3 isn't a bad idea, but he's more likely to sort himself for us. If he's scum he'll likely out himself the longer the game goes on, and he's likely to form incriminating associatives as well.

Can't say I'm good at actually reading him, but I've played enough games with him that I kinda know his meta. It's generally detrimental to scum to keep him around regardless of his alignment.

Also he's just fun to play with

81 is kinda fencesitting

and 83 is what felt like buddying to me. roden also never called his blank vote on t3 a reaction test.

It's because you have no progression on T3 and blindly say T3 is SvS with Roden

first of all, t3 is pushing me with bad reasoning. Why is it so hard for you to think that t3 is just scum thats pushing town? Also I said that t3 is chainsaw defending Roden so its not blindly.

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I wouldn't have gotten that if I just asked "Why?" because I'd likely (and deservedly) just get "why me fry me" as an answer,

why my fry me is just a weak push and only lvl 1 players use it. Also the fct that you wanted to avoid that just in case makes u look self conscious

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last night I sorta thought about t3 doing some reaction test type push but if he's not then its fake bravado and he's likely scum.

Can you expand on that? I feel that there is an unexplained level of complexity underneath this thought.

not really, was just a thought. he's using nonsense to push me and that doesn't seem at all complex.

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I wouldn't have gotten that if I just asked "Why?" because I'd likely (and deservedly) just get "why me fry me" as an answer,

why my fry me is just a weak push and only lvl 1 players use it. Also the fct that you wanted to avoid that just in case makes u look self conscious

Not self conscious enough to avoid admitting that ^.^

tbf kitty has expressed being nervous when he was scum b4 so i wouldn't 100% put it past Roden to say that he's trying to avoid a scumtell.

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Lq is town and cheeky is either manufacturing content or it's just really bad

I think it's on the fake side will go into greater depth when I'm on a desktop

Saying someone's content is manufactured/fake is a rather large accusation Nero. Why wouldn't I want to know your reasons?
Also this is a reminder Nero hasn't gone into greater depth yet in ~250 posts despite obviously being active.

im sheeping norway so im no longer pushing cheeky.

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i quote the relavent pportions to cut down on post length. why iss your vote still on me?

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That's not the problem. The problem is that you were pushing them in a completely dismissive way without giving reasons for it.

but im no longer pushing them, why should I provide what my reasoning was if its no longer relevant?

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Unfortunately Nero once totally snowed me as scum so there is a price to pay I don't trust my own read.

you had no trouble tunneling me our last two games.

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y is ur vote still on me roden?

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dgb might actully be scum here.

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maybe this idk. dgb not tunnelingg me like normal is creepy. also big vibe that DGB is scum with Mega.

[Nero Cain]

I'm letting you give your arguement before picking a side, though I admit odds don't seem in your favor.

See if Nero actually has some good points against cheeky here before piling on them though.

here mega, who isn't scum reading me, expresses interest in joining the largest wagon.

I'm letting you give your arguement before picking a side,

though I admit odds don't seem in your favor

Why do u have to pick a side? if cheeky and I were TvT as I now think then it makes a ton of sense to pit me vs. her and chain elim. bolded is still threatning to wagon the biggest wagon.

you are just trying to start a push on a townie for no reason

tmi slip?
think you are just scum that was premptivlly waiting to hop on my wagon.
Also its not like I'm a contentless void. Why do you need to use my cheeky reasoning to sort me. Why not my reasoning for anyone else?

ii think you are just scum that was preemptivly planning a hop on my wagon.

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I kept my vote on you because your responses to pressure haven't been good.

tell me more

ou dropped attention on me when you saw I wasn't getting wagon'd, and then you started focusing on Mega,

i don't think this is true? Also there's more than 1 scum in this game why should my sole focus be on you?

ou're pushing a false narrative that Mega wants you bussed

never said anything about mega bussing me...

so why ignore everyone else?

this is blatantly false

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LQ, if not scum, is the 5th scum member

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And y r u back to scum reading me cheeks?

[Nero Cain]

Town!Nero posts a lot of one-liners but he actually engages with the thread and quotes people. He will also occasionally posts a quote wall. Scum!Nero barely engages with the thread and when he does post it's usually contentless one-liners. Conclusion: Basedon the lack of walls Nero is scum, but I'm not too sure about this one.

How am I not engaging? Also that slight backtrack is kinda yuck

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And y r u back to scum reading me cheeks?

I have said in multiple posts the T3 vs you is TvS that's why you're in your own special bracket. Also stop beetlejuicing or I'll tunnel you harder than T3 is.

Y does it have to be tvs. Like yes I'm town and t3 could be scum but I don't think it's impossible that t3 is bad town. And if you think we are tvs isn't that something you want resolved?

Can't help it when I get on

[Nero Cain]

Roden is living and pushing a false narrative that I'vebeen hyper focused on his vote. I think asking why rodent their vote' was still sitting on me despite them not saying anything is a fair question. He ignored it the first time I asked so I asked again. Roden trying to spin it is really slimy.

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And y r u back to scum reading me cheeks?

I have said in multiple posts the T3 vs you is TvS that's why you're in your own special bracket. Also stop beetlejuicing or I'll tunnel you harder than T3 is.

Y does it have to be tvs. Like yes I'm town and t3 could be scum but I don't think it's impossible that t3 is bad town. And if you think we are tvs isn't that something you want resolved?

Can't help it when I get on

The way the game developed the wagon on you felt like either you are scum and T3 picked it up early or T3 was encouraging your wagon as scum.

What if he's just stupid and bad and scum are taking advantage? How many games have you played in now...town are pretty often pushed by other equally bad town. Games aren't black and white like you are suggesting

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I’m not sure about T3 but i really think this Nero wagon needs to go away. I feel he’s been towntellingva lot here.

But scum are so comfortable with me as the lead wagon.

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I kinda think t3, regardless of alignment, didn't meta dive earlier but just did or wrote some kind of basic thing that made it look like he did

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Gamma is just scum and doesn't want the game state to change

[Nero Cain]

Test could be scum I guess. You could say their play matches thief scum meta where they barely post and then come in a post a few times then leave but she prob does that regardless of alignment

Also they are wagoning her for coming in and voting me while not knowing y I was a wagon

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A long long time ago I felt like arcsheeping and doing nothing was her scum play. Then she was in the last game where she sheeped and did nothing as town so it's like she just doesn't play anymore

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Honestly, yes/arc/t3 could be scum but it feels like scum are prob in ppls town reads

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Mega rodon gamma Shrek? Dgb?

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VOTE: t3

4 u cheeks

[Nero Cain]

Sometimes lurksacks are just lurksacks. If only I had an example of pushing scum until we finally settled on a do nothing lurksack

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I do!

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Large normal 233 dunno how to c+p on mobile

[Nero Cain]

Dear lurkers, we don't see your posts but u r never forgotten.

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That's really not what I'm saying ..

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I mean was anyone besides scum actually scum reading std?

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In hindsight tess voting std for an obv joke and then catching up and not moving their vote is kinda gross but t3 or gamma or mega or roden are prob better eliminations

[Nero Cain]

Or maybe dgb is scum and that makes roden town...

[Nero Cain]

Your play just seems so different this game

[Nero Cain]

Eal is eliminate all liars since we can't use the L word

[Nero Cain]

I think you had plenty of interaction with me but the point is that you were listing our game history and you left out a game and ????

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789 was actually directed at dgb

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Like I think when I was a traitor it was more like my scum game and when I was scum in the other game I was still scumhunting but mostly in private and wasn't as loud about it. This is the first time you've played with town me

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Yes T3 needs to be thrown to the wolves but I don't understand why gamma is getting away with an equally (and maybe even worse) "meta" read

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gamma is getting away with an equally (and maybe even worse) "meta" read

That's rich.

How so?

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Y kitty?

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Dgbs pbp thing was kinda iioay and that's a bit on the scum side

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Rn I'm kinda feeling a dgb, gamma and 2 of t3 mega Shrek team

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Arc and kitty are both hard null 4 me. Tess is the scummiest of the lurkers but eh

[Nero Cain]

I could be terribly wrong but I like to swing for the fences and I just highly doubt scum is 3 lurkers and some rando

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If we assume dw is town then gamma has voted for nothing but town, he's not hunting elsewhere and is comfortable sitting on me. Basically he's doing the same things we are wagoning t3 for

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:/ my wagon was dying maybe but it wasn't dead. I'm p sure that all of mega, gamma, t3 and arc are there.bcallingbur vote on me a vanity vote and arguing that u needed to switch wagons is umm crazy

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I kinda felt like Shrek is scummy but it's hard to scum read him.

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I mean it is gamma but I doubt we could get that today. T3/tess/policy lim on aa9 might be my elim order for today

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Angels not even playing and still sitting on her rvs vote. Its annoying and she's being unhelpful

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But I guess you could say the same for kitty and maybe tess but at least tess voted even though it was bad.

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Yeah but if we get innos on inactives then it forces scum to nk them

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The idea is that you try to elimate scum during the day and vig/investigate useless/skety slots

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I mean a policy elimination isn't the absolute worst use of a d1 but I still rather get active scum like t3 or gamma

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Yeah but if we get innos on inactives then it forces scum to nk them

doesnt this apply to literally any inno result though

Sure but town loses a whole lot less if scum are forced to kill an inactive then an active

[Nero Cain]

Nero vig shot gamma when?

N2

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Only me and std scum read gamma

[Nero Cain]

Nka is silly for the most part. It's all wifom.

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In fairness, I think it's super easy to push that "lurkers" are scum and it's why scum live to push them

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While technicly not impossible and you could make the argument that bad town were more likely to vote me but I still feel like there's going to be scum in gamma, t3, mega and roden

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Mega I'm not keeping you from playing the game or forcing you to argue with me

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He's scum stuck on me and can't hunt elsewhere bc he can't hunt his buddies

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Like he's being very close to the chest. He plopped down a vote on the biggest wagon at the time with wishy-washy language of "I'm not sure" and now is basically blaming me and saying that bc I'm scum reading him he's still scum reading me. His only other "scum read" is my biggest defender and I kinda got the vibe that he was hoping that my elim would go through then he'll argue that Norway knew I was town. Assuming Norway and dw are town then that means he's failed to vote a single scum. His hunting is extremely limited this he's prob scum.

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He's not talking about much of anyone and it just comes across as scum being super cautious.

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I'm novice

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?????

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okay
I kinda wonder why I'm d2, who's a more pressing shot than me rn?

Cheeky i love your avi.

I love yours too <333

Get a room

[Nero Cain]

Mega gamma t3 dgb????

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Real talk though, "stop the spam" and "I don't know" are pretty underwhelming for a comeback

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Do or do not, there is no try

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But srs, it's not hard to talk about reads and feelings. It's only hard 4 u bc u r scum

[Nero Cain]

Also, no it was definitely not too early to tell.

Dude I had made 3 posts when I voted me and then you later argued that I hadn't wall posted yet (0n like page 3 or w/e it was)

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When you voted me. Lol

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Why do you think scum!me struggles with faking reads
Do you not remember LN 230?

Not really, no. Nice deflection though.

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Also, no it was definitely not too early to tell.

Dude I had made 3 posts when I voted me and then you later argued that I hadn't wall posted yet (0n like page 3 or w/e it was)

That vote was me sheping Roden.

What about rodent vote made you think I am scum?

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I mean I could just prove me wrong and write out a reads list but that's not happening so... I'm right?

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Also it's like you were actively not posting reads or hunting and I called you on it and not you are like "I could do that!" But you aren't actually doing that...

[Nero Cain]

Nero WIM < something = scum

Like here's your next post after you voted me so you were already pushing a "Nero is scum via posting frequency" Wich later turned into Nero isn't wall posting.

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Gamma scum reading t3 whom was voting me gives me a bussing vibe

[Nero Cain]

In your mind how does that work? "Oh t3 is bussing Nero" why the fuck would I have my team bus me on day 1

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The way the day was going was that the days elimination was between me and t3. If I were eliminated t3 would most likely be eliminated d2. I feel like gamma knew this and it's reflected in his reads, regardless of t3 alignment.

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it was probably a shitty attempt at distancing, based on how convoluted T3's thought process on you looks

I don't think you ever said anything about this. Why not?

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Uh huh

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Dgb u normally tunnel me while I find scum so u don't get to talk down to me. Also good chance you are scum this game

[Nero Cain]

But gamma you were agreeing with t3s meta "point" yes you worded it differently but by and large you were agreeing that this wasn't my town game. Not that you offered any evidence or anything

[Nero Cain]

That's not evidence lol

[Nero Cain]

Also your reads list is funky bc you've been pushing Norway most of the game but now he's your 2nd biggest town read. I agree with Shrek that your scum reads minus me being std tess and t3 is lazy and ez

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Angry gamma is scum gamma. See I just offered evidence

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there's also been like an equal amount of people who have hard objected to the Nero wagon

Like you're 2 top town reads...

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I am meta reading u dw

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It's almost like you offered a statement but are calling that evidence

But what was that game I caught u d1 and u got all angry. Mbos10?

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I think dw could read me correctly so I'm not overly concerned

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Like I was getting tunnel in 233 and I'm pretty sure he didn't drink the Kool aid. Though it took town for fucking ever to kill titus

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Guy 375 isn't "evidence"

[Nero Cain]

it's moreso evidence then what you tried to pass off

[Nero Cain]

Gamma I think you're being trolled

My point was that some statement isn't evidence not that I was trying to submit any.

[Nero Cain]

Tell me how I'm wrong. I fucking dare you.

I'm town this u r wrong

[Nero Cain]

Although you have admitted to being frustrated when you've been ran up before

[Nero Cain]

Im not doing that

[Nero Cain]

I'm not doing that either. Just keep on using that ai charged language. I'm sure someone will believe you

[Nero Cain]

Nero isn't engaging me, he's so scummy-gamma 2021

[Nero Cain]

Cheeky I think ur think about dw is wrong bc dw just understood what I was doing

[Nero Cain]

Mega but I don't think the same as u

[Nero Cain]

U were actually the 4th vote

[Nero Cain]

I think my wagon went norway~aa9~roden~t3~cheeky~gamma~mega

[Nero Cain]

No I think u just talked to dgb in the scum pt

[Nero Cain]

I like how mega went from everyone's top town read to a scumread

[Nero Cain]

Assuming there is scum in t3 mega gamma I sort of think it makes aa9 townie

[Nero Cain]

If you're looking for a wagon with a lot of resistance, look no further than Testarossa. If you need a reminder look at my scumputer play-by-play.

Scums last ditch effort to get a not t3 wagon?

It's also weird bc dgb was voting t3 while suggesting that scum were bussing

[Nero Cain]

Yeah cheeks, I'm not sure y u think it's town frustration over scum

[Nero Cain]

Cheeks reads list isn't "scummy" it's just wrong imo. My top scum reads are dgb, t3, gamma and mega. I think she's putting to much emphasis on dw

[Nero Cain]

Or you were talking out of your ass and then when you realized that you aren't able to get me you threw down a vote on a relatively safe spot

[Nero Cain]

Cheeks reads list isn't "scummy" it's just wrong imo. My top scum reads are dgb, t3, gamma and mega. I think she's putting to much emphasis on dw

I think DW's pockets are seducing you.

Its possible but the thing was that gamma was arguing that his statement in 375 was evidence when it's not so I mocked him and said that "angry gamma is scum gamma" and he took it seriously and then dw comes in and tells gamma he was being trolled and I were taking that as dw saying that he knew gamma was town. Like sure dw could be scum but I think u just misread that situation

[Nero Cain]

How is my case on DGB invalid?

@Gamma and Nero
Like, is anything I said in the DGB metacase false?

Distance from it buddy more

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: gamma
Can't say why but this is almost 100% scum.

Distance from it other buddy more

[Nero Cain]

Tbf I only tunnel u bc u tunnel me and u defend scum. I think it's more likely that u are just scum than "learned from it mistakes" but eh we'll see how flips go

[Nero Cain]

I once saw a game where scum t3 bussed his whole scum team d1

[Nero Cain]

My early game was kinda shitty if roden and Shrek are town

[Nero Cain]

Could we kill t3 B4 page 80 ty

[Nero Cain]

Also gamma not wanting to vote t3 bc t3 is pushing him is dumb but they aren't town so...

[Nero Cain]

If u r town reading me it looks like placating and if u r scum reading me then u r wrong and it looks funky after u already dropped it

[Nero Cain]

U already did what t3 is doing to u and I thought u were scum 4 it

[Nero Cain]

Counter point: I wasn't going to be eliminated thus he's forced to change tactics

[Nero Cain]

Only me and std scum read gamma

Can you explain your Gamma read? I don't see it.

He opportunist icly hopped on my wagon then backed down when he couldn't bullshit his way to continue to scumread me. Wasn't hunting and when he finally did get a reads list it was lol bad. His recent votes of std and a empty test slot are safe lhf votes.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not a troll u take that back you bald meany head

[Nero Cain]

Although dotw is super right that we are just talking in circles and nothing new is being added. Waiting on lurkers and replaces is boring more t3 votes

[Nero Cain]

Dw, t3 actually did do a meta case Wich was basically "Nero isn't wall posting this he's scum"

[Nero Cain]

Her doing nothing was useful when I was scum. Her doing nothing when I'm town is annoying. I do kinda think she's town bc I could see scum not want to hop on me until there was a nice town buffer

[Nero Cain]

Like I know I'm tunneling but it just feels like dgb and gamma are holding out hope that they won't have to bus t3 bc it feels like there's a good chunk of town that might not vote him idk