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[Nero Cain]

there are way too many people being useless with their votes.


VOTE: skitter30

[Nero Cain]

there are way too many people being useless with their votes.


VOTE: skitter30

yes, plz elaborate on how i'm being useless with my vote in the second post of the game

Did you actually think that I think that bunch of players that haven't even gotten on to post are actually being useless with their vote?

[Nero Cain]

hem scum : (

it's possible

[Nero Cain]

nero making a joke = scum nero!?

if you think this then you are prob scum.

[Nero Cain]

tbf, I was going to and maybe I should have, quoted the unvoting list. I thought it would be funny to lambast half the gam for being useless with thier votes when they were technically not voting.

[Nero Cain]

I know, you are just smarter than most

[Nero Cain]

the vote on you was RVS, yes

[Nero Cain]

elite level joke-getter here

that makes me locktown imo

true

[Nero Cain]

nero making a joke = scum nero!?

if you think this then you are prob scum.

go on

it's like you were testing the waters to see if I was a safe vote.

Like is that something you actually thought? You've also been in a game where I have made jokes so you should know that just b/c I make a joke doesn't mean I'm scum.

[Nero Cain]

this isn't a dance game. GTFO

[Nero Cain]

EVIL

CANADIAN HATES BAJA BLAST

though TBF I like just normal mountain dew myself

[Nero Cain]

but joining a bandwagon and then arguing that your vote was a pressure vote seems like it could be a cop out, no? 76 seems more null to me than town.

[Nero Cain]

EVIL CANADIAN HATES BAJA BLAST

yes and?

you are claiming to be evil and Canadian. Just seemed like something important to point out.

[Nero Cain]

she's just town imo

holy mother of quick conclusions

it's ok to have quick conclusions when they're right :>

how do you know its right?

[Nero Cain]

marci doesn't really have to reply to that message with "sh im lurking" as wolf, or rather, i dont think marci wolf opts to do so given that it might invite more pressure than she'd want

but ppl joke claim scum like all the time. Has marci never done that before or something?

[Nero Cain]

fb=fb
fireisredsir=fire

[Nero Cain]

other than lite OMGUS what is bothering u?

[Nero Cain]

marci doesn't really have to reply to that message with "sh im lurking" as wolf, or rather, i dont think marci wolf opts to do so given that it might invite more pressure than she'd want

but ppl joke claim scum like all the time. Has marci never done that before or something?

have u ever played with marci before?

i don't think so

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Nero Cain]

if i can pocket nero cain this game i can retire knowing i have done it.
ma will be proud of me

your pocket is fucking discusting. When is the last time you washed those pants?

[Nero Cain]

marci doesn't really have to reply to that message with "sh im lurking" as wolf, or rather, i dont think marci wolf opts to do so given that it might invite more pressure than she'd want

but ppl joke claim scum like all the time. Has marci never done that before or something?

have u ever played with marci before?

i don't think so

oh nm then, i thought u did and this looks worse in that context
scum-marci is sometimes a little awkward and doesn't know how to be chill/relaxed, and probably wouldn't feel comfortable enuf to make that post as scum

Is this essentially a reply to 129?

[Nero Cain]

you said still though. If my 113 was your issue what was it before then? Was it just joke that you didn't get?

[Nero Cain]

For I have rolled scum.

so town

I am 99% certain this was a joke but he

DID

claim scum as scum in our last game. I also realize that it's in vogue to joke about being scum or using scummy behavior ala marci in this game. And while I do think that alot of town do this for the lulz its more null from FB.

[Nero Cain]

What are you and Ari talking about in the scum PT?

[Nero Cain]

WTF firepup?!? you weren't supposed to let him know that we knew he was scum. the hells wrong with you?

[Nero Cain]

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

[Nero Cain]

y do u like me?

[Nero Cain]

people care about how well they are liked on this site?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, you COULD read Skitters post as scum hyper focused on the way she was being read but I just saw it more as her thinking I was throwing shit at her and missing the obvious joke. I think she's town

so far VP, Ari, FB and maaaaayyybbbbeeee HEM seem a lil scummy. I like GL's stuff on scamper too.

[Nero Cain]

xofelf maybe bothers me a lil' b/c its all fluff and no content. I very vaugely remember playing with them before and scum reading them for similar reasoning. So maybe it's more of a NAI thing.

[Nero Cain]

I was gonna say that you need more sleep HEM but its been about 5 hours which is what I sometimes sleep too. I should prob be thinking about bed soon.

[Nero Cain]

yeah, HEM might be the only town on that list

[Nero Cain]

like I think 12 can be read as a joke like "haha you too are being useless with your vote for voting Skitter." but the alternate version is that he's scum and saw me voting not his buddy. Leaving his p1 rvs/joke vote on me is kinda gross though. Was there really nothing in the next 7 pages that you found scummy?

[Nero Cain]

So I'm alone in thinking FB could be scum here?

[Nero Cain]

he kicked my puppy

[Nero Cain]

So I'm alone in thinking FB could be scum here?

wanna try to sell me on it?

not a salesman

[Nero Cain]

way more than you

[Nero Cain]

Scummy: HEM

i dont think you're capable of townreading me

no he's just scum

[Nero Cain]

That quote is one of my issues with Nero. It's very wishy-washy and seems to be ignoring a very obvious next-step that could be used to determine whether that is AI for xofelf or not.

one of? Is there a reason that you are coming at me sideways instead of facing me head on? I'm hardly the first person to have conflicting reasoning on a slot and not doing a meta dive...what makes me unique in this situation? This seems overly nitpicky and a little hypocritical given that your intro is nothing but you agreeing with other people's reads and not giving any reasoning for your reads (me/datsi)


Also, elf claimed/confirmed that it wasn't AI in 250 so ???

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

You going to be this annoying all game or just play mafia?

I think calling out xoelf for fluff posting in lieu of content is a fairly productive use of a post. Like is there a reason that I shouldn't have been @ a contentless fluff poster?

Mostly because Nero hadn't done anything out of normal range there

What do you know of my range? As far as I'm aware we've only played once and I was town there. So if you've only seen me play town how can you question Ausuka's town read on the basis of range when you don't know what it is? If you think I am playing differently than our game together why not say that?

Your whole line of reasoning is that FB scum would claim scum as a rouse, correct?

more or less. Like I might be overcompensating for Infernal Affairs where he said things like

not voting me is a scum claim.

im clearly scum here. don't u slander me

The reason that I started to scum read him is that he was calling for votes on himself.

but if you read his ISO in the two games it's maybe not an apples to apples comparison. Like in IA he had a series of posts before ever calling himself scum and here he just comes right out and claims scum. Maybe the difference means nothing, maybe it means that he's more likely to be town here.

I was also a little suspicious of

so far VP, Ari, FB and maaaaayyybbbbeeee HEM seem a lil scummy. I like GL's stuff on scamper too.

HEM Is my only townread right now. How dare you

Like I really thought VP and Ari were scummy and when FB town reads the towniest of those 3 it made me

[Nero Cain]

if you think I'm playing differently then where is your vote you scrub? I also don't think I'm different.

[Nero Cain]

if you think I'm playing differently then where is your vote you scrub? I also don't think I'm different.

awww

i was hoping you were mellowing out for some reason

never. Did you actually think I was playing differently or are you claiming this was a "reaction test"? If you did think I was playing differently why didn't you vote me?

[Nero Cain]

are u a bot though?

[Nero Cain]

i think you are playing differently

this isnt a reaction test

didnt feel like voting you

kinda weak

[Nero Cain]

What do you know of my range? As far as I'm aware we've only played once and I was town there. So if you've only seen me play town how can you question Ausuka's town read on the basis of range when you don't know what it is? If you think I am playing differently than our game together why not say that?

I don't think you're playing differently than that other game though is what I'm saying.

I don't think you've done much of anything yet...which isn't that unusual for anyone at this point in a large. Hence why I found the town read weird.

but Ausuka town read on me isn't purely meta. But even if you thought it was and you AGREE that I'm not playing any differently then why are you questioning it?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Aristeia

[Nero Cain]

and ari is scum

oooo, hot take. Did you explain this read already and I missed it?

its more lukewarm than hot

[Nero Cain]

Ari is scum b/c her pm is red, duh?

[Nero Cain]

Dats dear, I think if you just take the extra attention as a positive because all your friends here are thinking about you, maybe you will feel happier and loved. <3.

Please do feel the love Datisi <3

until I vig you at least

why vig him when you could vig firebringer or xofelf.

[Nero Cain]

if anyones every curious they could *try* asking me abt 1 or 2 ppl

do gamma and deasvail.

[Nero Cain]

did you get the girl? or were you even interested in the girl?

[Nero Cain]

I don't like VP being on top of me or anywhere near green territory.

[Nero Cain]

ehhhhh.....

[Nero Cain]

I don't like VP being on top of me or anywhere near green territory.

Sounds like a rival who is losing. U sad

this sounds so fake

[Nero Cain]

I kinda disliked this post

scamper a little town

scamper can have a little townread, as a treat

Feel like you're trying too hard to be cute this game....

I wouldn't say I'm an expert Fire reader or anything but this feels pretty normal b/c I think she does make lil' cutesy jokey posts like this and I felt like it was more of a nitpick than hunting.

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

You going to be this annoying all game or just play mafia?

i know I already commented on this but me calling out a contentless void is a perfectly reasonable thing to do and I think it makes 0 sense that town him is up in arms about it.

was also nodding along with idea that he's being nitpicky about Ausukas town read of me.

[Nero Cain]

missed you nero :>

[Nero Cain]

that's a pretty good point

but my reads aren't always wrong.

[Nero Cain]

I thought Fire's town read on scamper in 147 was serious but just said in a humorous way.

[Nero Cain]

that's a pretty good point

but my reads aren't always wrong.

i agree, but i think it's a point that makes her actions consistent from an ari perspective

maybe. It's one of the reasons that I was scumreading her. Like in our last game she got all pissy that I was scum reading her and here I am scumreading her and I wasn't getting that. So when she says

why would I dunk on nero for a bad read when I expect town!nero to have bad reads

you could also say

well town you DID dunk on me in a previous game why is your approach diffrent this game?

I'm also at her claim that her interactions were trying to sort me.

[Nero Cain]

Like in our last game she got all pissy that I was scum reading her and here I am scumreading her and I wasn't getting that.

Link?

you were in that game

[Nero Cain]

says the arrogant prick

[Nero Cain]

you just got done calling me a random noob but are throwing a fit about being called an arrogant prick. Grow up.

[Nero Cain]

fire is going to be a distraction regardless of alignment.

[Nero Cain]

or maybe she tried to insult me and I responded in kind?

[Nero Cain]

why are you frustrated with this game?

[Nero Cain]

I could always try to think of another word than fluffposter. It's just that if someone is posting but not about the game it's fluff. I get that it playstyle and doesn't necessarily make you scum. I think there's possible scum motivation in posting but not giving content (which is what you were doing!) and I think it was fair on my part to call you on it. I think its that VP said I was being annoying and not playing mafia. I'm not sure why you are ok with that either.

[Nero Cain]

HEM you feel very watered down. Are you even pushing anyone?

[Nero Cain]

nero is faking a grudge within your scum range

sure

[Nero Cain]

just a vibe

[Nero Cain]

me or gamma or both?

[Nero Cain]

noticed nero cain upped the aggressive behavior after ari made a remark that he's missing teeth. feels like overcompensation at this point.

sorta think this is fake

I sorta feel like you are just around and not doing much. I guess you could describe it as active lurking.

If you want to accuse me of OMGUS I guess you could but I don't really think I am.

[Nero Cain]

no plz i like u both

didn't you find him scummy earlier? What changed?

[Nero Cain]

my initial reaction is that there's a whole lot of POE and very little in the way of hard or soft scum reads. I do realize that we are only in the early 30's and a lot of people will make the argument that "it's early" but I feel like this game has been going fairly smoothly. Like there weren't 22 pages of RVS like some games, ya know what I mean?

[Nero Cain]

i know on like page 1 i scumread them but that was kinda jokey in a way, i wanted him to change his pfp to this current one.. he promised me in the past and i find the pfp funny : )

no that was it, I had thought you found him scummy for semi-SRS? RVS? voting me for voting Skitter. But it was a joke about his PFP ok.

[Nero Cain]

it's pretty obvious and dats not getting it is ???

[Nero Cain]

[Nero Cain]

< scamper, gamma, eiralox, lions, soft elf >

gamma what do u think of this

I don’t remember anything Eiralox has posted

exactly so what do u think of my list

this made me think it was scum reads but its prob null reads

[Nero Cain]

flinging shit is fun...

[Nero Cain]

deas town nice let's go

not sure I agree. Maybe if Ari flips scum and he's on the wagon I might give him a pass

[Nero Cain]

Zzzz

ikr

[Nero Cain]

also heya relly

hi! I think you're town because people scumread your entrance to the game in the same way I've seen people scumread you as town like 12 times

I don't have any strong scumreads except, like.... datisi? I sure hope the silent slots are scum

ppl are scum reading Skitter? Who?

[Nero Cain]

I'm not sure that I buy FB trying to "sort" me. 206 maybe but eh....but I also don't think Ari was trying to either.

[Nero Cain]

a pot bunker sounds like it would be loads of fun

[Nero Cain]

sure ya did.

*puff puff*

[Nero Cain]

Only responding to the part of your post directed at me

then learn how to edit better.

but I’m not sure what’s so sideways about it.

Well, in 318 you are calling your scumread on me some ~vibez~ bullshit but are presenting a semblance of reasoning in 326 going so far as to allude to having OTHER issues with me but you aren't presenting these reasons for ??? reason?

I think it’s a pretty normal thing in the early game to have a feeling about someone but not feel ready to fully articulate it.

I doubt this and even if this were true for some players it's an easy out to make as scum.

but it's super easy, barely an inconvenience! You just simply quote the offending post and then write a sentence or two about why you find it scummy. Takes less than a minute if you aren't manufacturing things.

I am interested in your lack of engagement with xofelf on their read of me though

???

So I called elf out, why do I have to continue to push them or engage? Elf already commented on you in 731. I mean, maybe if they don't fulfill their obligations I'll come back and but out of good faith I'm assuming they'll be back to comment on it at some point so why should I be badgering them about it? Its almost like you aren't really paying attention to the thread.

[Nero Cain]

probably, yes

[Nero Cain]

????

[Nero Cain]

cool, who is your next fake push going to be on?

[Nero Cain]

I have faith in your ability to fool them

[Nero Cain]

I think you should fake push who you think you can mislim or at least hedge on. I also think you should do your own work. I'm anxious to see what you can manufacture.

[Nero Cain]

I was hoping we could tag team Nero and make this a truly memorable experience for everyone. Maybe Mathblade can replace juice

Why do you want to push town? What's your read on me?

Gut thinks Datsi is town but I'm not overly

[Nero Cain]

yeah, sure

[Nero Cain]

yeah, sure

Are you asking me to yell at you?

If you had felt like I was scum then I'd expect you to. Claiming that you are avoiding me b/c you think I am town sorta makes me wonder if you are avoiding me to not get into a shit fight.

[Nero Cain]

yeah, sure

Are you asking me to yell at you?

If you had felt like I was scum then I'd expect you to. Claiming that you are avoiding me b/c you think I am town sorta makes me wonder if you are avoiding me to not get into a shit fight.

If I was scum, I'd definitely get in a shit fight with you because it is easy content and it is extremely easy to provoke you.

sure but last time you went up against me you got mislimmed. Even if you want to say that the reason you got wrecked gas nothing/very little to do with me the idea that a scum you would sit back and be less confrontational than normal makes some sense.

[Nero Cain]

Also re:VPB, why not vote him then? I'd join that wagon if it got going

assuming that this is about me, why do you need him to vote me first?

[Nero Cain]

I wouldn't be that surprised if Eiralox ends up being our flip.

[Nero Cain]

VP, when did you start thinkng that I was town?

[Nero Cain]

no, his time is divided between here and the mafia pt.

[Nero Cain]

I know, it's a bit of a trolly comment. Just say that you are sorting and they town read you. I told you it was going to be easy to fool them.

[Nero Cain]

that people are town reading you? mostly eh...but maybe a little upset b/c I think you are fairly scummy.


It's also a little funny b/c aren't all the town reads on you for basically the same reason?

[Nero Cain]

DV this reminds me of the last thing I played with him but for the life of me I can't remember what his alignment was so once I look it back up, I figure out if that means he's scum or not.

this feels like the deasvail i’ve played w before so town

I thought there was at least one other person that had a similar reason. Apparently, it's not fireisred who is town reading you but I don't know why but I thought it was.

Of course, if you are scum then you don't care about the reasons why you are being townread but the reads on you seem to be mostly based on a previous game and not necessarily for anything you've done here. I don't think most people have talked about you or given a read.

[Nero Cain]

VP, when did you start thinkng that I was town?

Part of it is cumulative vibes from you being an asshat, which is consistent with my town experience with you obv. (Though certainly fakeable)

For example, your fight with ari seemed absolutely unnecessary.

I also remember feeling better about you when you said something about HEM's list being kind of wishy washy, because that was my same gut reaction when I read it.

I feel I've gotten this reputation as some grumpy old man that's an asshole to everyone. While true to an extent I don't think I go above and beyond what is reasonable for this game or treat ppl differently than they treat me. This game is also going to be lowkey toxic as long as there's a dayphase that's not just random votes and claiming night actions.

I skimmed my ISO in our last game and I know I said something like "your posts are laughable." which yeah, its kinda rude but I don't see that as fundamentally different than Ari calling me a bad player or you talking down to me last game.

I would feel better if you had actually called out HEM in thread instead of retroactively agreeing with me. Or did you call it out, I just don't really remember you doing it.

[Nero Cain]

how is my list wishy washy again?

your list was nothing but town reads and POE. Why no scum reads?

[Nero Cain]

FTR this is the list I called out

Ausuka - likely town
scamper - poe
Juice - waiting for arrival
Datisi - poe
humaneatingmonkey - town ofc
Aristeia - poe
Firebringer - pending to mid-game
Gamma Emerald - pending read on me
Nero Cain - poe
Eiralox - poe
fireisredsir - probably town
GuiltyLion - poe
VP Baltar - poe
marcistar - probably town
xofelf - likely town
skitter30 - likely town
Irrelephant11 - likely town
ydrasse - pending read on early game
Dunnstral - waiting
DeasVail - pending question on datisi townread

I don't really know whats changed-are the POE your scumreads?

[Nero Cain]

come around to?

[Nero Cain]

what is your deas read, monkey?

[Nero Cain]

DeasVail - lean town

y?

[Nero Cain]

I sorta think that Eiralox might try harder if he was scum but I guess it's not impossible that he just nopes out of the thread.

[Nero Cain]

something something if fire ever flips mafia guiltylion's a wolf

why would redfire flip mafia but GL flip wolf?

[Nero Cain]

i think the way he backed off on his scumread of you was towny because it felt like he was really evaluating your push back against him.

I know you'll disagree with me and think its silly of me to even entertain the idea but what if he's just scum that couldn't maintain a push on me? I think I get shit pushed by scum fairly often. Like I just don't believe that he was honestly scumreading me for 243. 968 felt like a non sequitur and it was disappointing that he couldn't/wouldn't state these other reasons he had. I also really didn't like his complaint about me not engaging with elf more. They said their piece and they'd get back to me on their DV read and there wasn't really a need for me to continue to push there until they got back. So I thought that was a fairly silly comment to make.

Obviously, town do reset but de-escalation is a thing. I kinda think that town are more likely to be confident or more tunnely with their pushes so I'm not sure if I really buy into the "town are going to be more liely to reset." (I know you maybe aren't making that exact argument but its pretty close. Or are you saying that resetting is towny SPECIFICALLY for DV?) There wasn't going to be enough traction on me and DV would have to stich his neck out and I'm not sure if he'd do that.

I'll give it a look over at somepoint but in our last game where he pushed me as scum (we were both town) he didn't reset despite my pushback.

and he looks like hes authentically trying to scumhunt.

I'm not overlywhelmed. His main push has been on town (me). And I just don't see him doing a whole lot. Like obviously he's given some reasoning but it always seems so after the fact.

Juice, HEM, Aristeia, Firebringer, Gamma, GuiltyLion, Skitter, VP Baltar

Most of these have been fairly popular reads but I guess most people will have popular reads. Still, I think there's plenty of potential scum motivation to have popular reads.

Juice is an absent slot and an ez push to make as scum and silly in a way.
hasn't talked about HEM.
or Skitter. and Skitter is largely absent from the thread.
he did say that FB was a decent vote but I don't think he's ever really talked about him.

So it sorta feels like he's just trying to keep clean and not get his hands dirty. I know he's saying that he has time restraints but I'd like to hear him talk more about his scum reads and I don't particularly love his cases on Ari, VP or GL.

I'd like to hear his stuff on Gamma.

[Nero Cain]

I told you to make time to play but I didn't expect you to go nuclear and quit your job.

[Nero Cain]

Ausuka and marci gt into a fight, now ausuka be lurkin

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I was calling you scum just that you kinda disappeared.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Irrelephant11

[Nero Cain]

I'm not really against the idea of carpet bombing the lurkers if they aren't going to play/post (looking at you Dunn!)

[Nero Cain]

I mean, maybe Hems list wasn't so bad after all. Like maybe it's a little weird to differentiate the strength of your town reads with "likely" and "probably" and not do that for scum reads. Using POE for all the scumreads also seems a bit odd to me but no one else said anything about it besides us.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not so sure I like the idea of a frozen deadline, we are already @ 60 pages and we'll only increase the pageage while waiting on reps. It just seems like the clock should be ticking still and then maybe if the reps need more time they can request it.

I'm kind of bored of this phase already.

[Nero Cain]

aususka

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

I don't think I was calling you scum just that you kinda disappeared.

I thought lurking = tactically not posting but maybe I'm wrong

right it

IS

but I and most tend to use lurking as a term for anyone that's not posting. If you wanna say that it's a bad habit. sure but you did pop right up as soon as I said something about you.

[Nero Cain]

you still owe me a deas read, Elf

[Nero Cain]

no I had just forgotten about the team mafia thing. That lite pushback was kinda yucky. I made one post early game about you not posting game content and you weren't so I think that's a fair comment to make. I haven't been badgering you. I just forgot so I asked again. very defensive.

[Nero Cain]

asking for consent is so polite

[Nero Cain]

skitter isn't that active though. What makes her so town?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Frogsterking

y?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think coming in as a replacement and automatically town reading all (or almost all) the active slots immediately shows you are critically thinking about the game at all

I mean, I think in general most players ARE going to town read more active players. Now obviously, not all scum are going to be lurksacks but I feel like in the games I've played recently there's always been less active scum.

plus the survey as a substitute for content is icky

eh....its not great I agree but not totally unusual for him, I think.

[Nero Cain]

Do you think that post was all that serious? He just replaced in so he likely hasn't read that much and he's

specifically

town reading Skitter, despite not really being active. So it read kinda jokey to me?

[Nero Cain]

with the deadline being refrozen each time we need a replacement, this is going to be like a 200 page d1

[Nero Cain]

I think it's very charitable to read that as a joke

it's possible that I'm wrong and that's really how he felt

[Nero Cain]

What ispulling a skitter?

[Nero Cain]

Did Skitter get pissed off that I said she wasn't being as active as some of us? TBF, she has more posts than I thought she did but my statement wasn't some kind of swipe at you.

[Nero Cain]

i need help

Would votes on u help?

[Nero Cain]

hey frog. you are like legit scumreading XO, right?

[Nero Cain]

what do you think of DV and VP calling me out for calling out XO's lack of early content?

xofelf maybe bothers me a lil' b/c its all fluff and no content. I very vaugely remember playing with them before and scum reading them for similar reasoning. So maybe it's more of a NAI thing.

i agree with this read since og i was gonna come in and call soft elf scummy but it does seem pretty playstyle thing.

That quote is one of my issues with Nero. It's very wishy-washy and seems to be ignoring a very obvious next-step that could be used to determine whether that is AI for xofelf or not.

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

You going to be this annoying all game or just play mafia?

[Nero Cain]

what do you think of DV and VP calling me out for calling out XO's lack of early content?

xofelf maybe bothers me a lil' b/c its all fluff and no content. I very vaugely remember playing with them before and scum reading them for similar reasoning. So maybe it's more of a NAI thing.

i agree with this read since og i was gonna come in and call soft elf scummy but it does seem pretty playstyle thing.

That quote is one of my issues with Nero. It's very wishy-washy and seems to be ignoring a very obvious next-step that could be used to determine whether that is AI for xofelf or not.

Making my semi-yearly mafia appearance with a playerlist I'm pretty excited about.

While its great to hear from you it would have been much better if you talked about the first 8 pages.

You going to be this annoying all game or just play mafia?

[Nero Cain]

oh shit, it's such a good point it posted twice

[Nero Cain]

but anyway, cliff notes and such would be appreciated. i realistically will try to read back in bits but getting through 66 pages seems impossible

pff 66 pages is a drop in the bucket

iso deas

[Nero Cain]

What's that again?

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I'm guessing it's TvT

wasn't really my point. Like I personally think that both of them are a bit scummy but they are defending your scumread and you think they are town for it?

[Nero Cain]

I'm guessing it's TvT

wasn't really my point. Like I personally think that both of them are a bit scummy but they are defending your scumread and you think they are town for it?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think I've ever seen you do an RQS. My last 2 scum games with Frog he has NOT posted a RQS though. I mean, we are getting into trust tell territory though so...

[Nero Cain]

rando question survey

do you know if he has claimed scum as town before

he has, its NAI but still a lil' scummy ya know?

[Nero Cain]

what do you want me to call it then?

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marci, that's kinda annoying

[Nero Cain]

randomly throwing out an unexplained list. You've already done it once, do you know any other tricks?

[Nero Cain]

Why isn't Gamma pushing me based on tone yet?

[Nero Cain]

supposedly b/c its a tell that was either used by or used to catch Luca Blight

[Nero Cain]

do you identify as one?

[Nero Cain]

then u aren't

[Nero Cain]

-do we know how many mafia there are? i read the rules post but didn't see anything about that

-how often should we be voting for our scumreads? is it better to just vote when we have the read or just vote once overall?

we don't KNOW but 4 scum in a 20-player is usually the standard rate. 5 is not impossible but 4 in 20 is pretty standard.

I think you should always be useful with your vote but like vanity voting your scumread is usally a waste of time and you'll have to consolidate at some point

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: gamma

thats L-1 claim

[Nero Cain]

thats L-1 claim

[Nero Cain]

More specifically, it proving Nero’s poorly-constructed bluff as just that

this made me laugh HARD!

like it's so cringe that you are so proud of yourself that you thwarted my heinous plan to get you to claim b4 you are at L-1

*evil cackle*

[Nero Cain]

though on a more serious note I would like start consolidating or something b/c it's already 70 pages although I guess I wouldn't be surprised if we hit another 70. At least the deadline isn't frozen.

[Nero Cain]

would you like to be a real wagon, Pinocchio?

[Nero Cain]

Is doing ISO's normal for XO? I ask b/c

It's more I observe more and wait for something to hit in a certain way

b/c saying that your playstyle is to sit back and observe doesn't really mesh with being proactive and reading ISOs

or am I just reading way into this?

[Nero Cain]

but real talk, I was suspicious of gamma earlier b/c I feel like when he's scum he does this active lurk thing where he asks a few questions and comments on stuff and I got that some vibe here. Like its possible that it could just be a playstyle thing and it's done regardless of alignment but yeah.

I was also agreeing with Frog that I thought Gamma's OMGUS onto Frog looked pretty scummy.

The other thing is and I'll try to explain this but you guys know how you can tell what the setup is going to be based on game size? like a mini is usually going to be a 10/3 split and anything above that but below 21 is 4 so on and so forth. So in some game, Gamma had overestimated the # of scum in the game (to make himself look uninformed). So when him and Ari were guessing what Marci's list of 5 players was and he (I think they both did actually) guessed that it was a scumteam. And so that kinda reminded me of him doing that. IDK if that really makes sense to anyone else.

idfk
The next logical guess is a scumteam prediction but it doesn’t feel like you’re SR me rn

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though on a more serious note I would like start consolidating or something b/c it's already 70 pages although I guess I wouldn't be surprised if we hit another 70. At least the deadline isn't frozen.

You mentioned Dease, VP, who all are you looking at?

Irrelephant11
gamma
marci

[Nero Cain]

your response to that is to just discredit my math?

[Nero Cain]

also heya relly

hi! I think you're town because people scumread your entrance to the game in the same way I've seen people scumread you as town like 12 times

I don't have any strong scumreads except, like.... datisi? I sure hope the silent slots are scum

ppl are scum reading Skitter? Who?

No one is anymore really but multiple took issue with her entrance to the thread/her totally missing a joke. Reminds me of multiple times where skitter's serious tone has made people scumread her when she's just being skitter and trying to catch scum.

like I really don't think this happened and so I think he's just whiteknighting Skitter for ???? and it comes across as him knowing her alignment.

I mean, FB did vote Skitter but it was sorta a joke about ^^^ attacking anyone that tried to lim skitter b4 d3.

[Nero Cain]

just ignore me, I'm town so my reads are terrible.

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I think townhunting is quite silly since there will always be more town in a game than scum so it's like handing yourself a participation trophy.

[Nero Cain]

what bad point and how would she stop me?

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If I had to pick between Dann and Conman I'd say that Dann is scummier and it also feels like Dann has sorta disappeared? I think VP is scummy. But remember, I'm town and my reads are bad.

[Nero Cain]

What's your read on me sans post count? and why?

[Nero Cain]

What's your read on me sans post count? and why?

You are one of the players I wanted to post a reads list

I know but I'm asking irrell

[Nero Cain]

shouldn't we mass claim first b4 we end the game?

[Nero Cain]

that's fair. men are stinky or something

HEY! I smell nice after my monthly bath

[Nero Cain]

What's your read on me sans post count? and why?

tired brain go ------> boop:///:|~ town probably?

I feel like this is pretty yuck

[Nero Cain]

Ausuka-I'm worried about a thing or two but can be town for now
scamper-prob town
ConManMick-I don't get the deal with him, gut town
Datisi-seems townish to me
humaneatingmonkey-I've had pings both ways, might be towm
Aristeia-think she's a little scummy but I could see town Ari sitting back and being passive
Firebringer
Gamma Emerald-scummy
Nero Cain-SCUM OF THE FUCKING EARTH!
Dannflor-maybe a lilttle scummy
fireisredsir-town
GuiltyLion-town
VP Baltar-kinda scummy
marcistar-a lil scummy
xofelf-townish
obscure-town
Irrelephant11-scum
ydrasse-town?
Frogsterking-town? I have a small worry that Dunn just noped out of the game after I tunneled him in our last game but maybe you could say that's null.
DeasVail-scummy

if I was King for a day I would make Irrelephant irrelevant

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I don't understand the current dan or con world we are in, how did we get here? I don't know what the cases are on either but I think you could argue that Dann is scummier than con so....

[Nero Cain]

i hate seafood

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What if that means the "town core" is not pure town b/c they are all following the same reads?

[Nero Cain]

no, I want this game to go on and on and on b/c some people started playing it just for fun but they'll continue playing it forever b/c its the phase that never it ends.

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the size of nancys ego. my god

[Nero Cain]

Why are you self-deprecating here?

I'm being mostly tongue in cheek but

I expect town!nero to have bad reads

did you feel like this was an important question to ask?

[Nero Cain]

I'm just goofin' around. remember jokey Nero is scum Nero.

[Nero Cain]

oh cool, I've never been town reading you and this isn't making me what to change.

[Nero Cain]

did you do a reads list? supposedly thats what we are all doing now

[Nero Cain]

Yeah I guess Gamma is Town after all.

b/c I'm scum reading him? prob fair my reads are shit and always wrong

[Nero Cain]

I'm pretty sure that scum gamma has clapped back at me when I've caught him b4.

[Nero Cain]

did you do a reads list? supposedly thats what we are all doing now

I’ve been considering doing one
I don’t feel particularly pressed to do it though

but its what we are all doing right now! don't you want to do whats popular?

[Nero Cain]

I've caught you in several games. Wich ones the were I don't specifically remember but I know I have so...

[Nero Cain]

but on a more serious note, (for better or worse) it feels like we are getting close to deciding on ending the day in a con or dann vote and apparently we are all doing reads lists to compare where we are all at at you not really wanting to provide us with your reads is

[Nero Cain]

because we semi-recently played a game with 19 players and 5 scum

FTR I forgot about it being *5 scum. It was actually 4 scum and a traitor.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404 was 4 scum and 2 traitors in a 21.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85512 has 4 team scum/1 sk/20 players

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83940 5 scum in a 21

Maybe it's somewhat outdated and things have changed throughout the years but I generally think 5 scum has been reserved for 21 player games. I think the above games still generally follow that principle with a traitor or a sk as the 5th scum. It's maybe not a super important point as we know that this game will be at least 4 scum so if this game isn;t over after 4 then we know there's a 5th

[Nero Cain]

I could post my thoughts as they are at this exact moment but I think some refinements could be done first

are you could just do the town thing and post unfiltered thoughts? If you need to do some rereading or something you can update them later.

[Nero Cain]

ore

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I mean, Gamma is going to be fairly scummy regardless of alignment, ya know what I mean?

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I've caught you in several games. Wich ones the were I don't specifically remember but I know I have so...

The problem is you’ve also wrongly called me scum quite a bit recently (as in, within the past year or so)
MN 2238, LN 235, and LN 233 come to mind

I mean, ok? I know I've misread you sometimes but that doesn't nullify my point that I've also correctly called you scum [in multiple games] or are you trying to claim that I haven't? You scum read me based on tone for a dozen games and I was town in each one of them. There was the Lickety Quickety guy that called me scum like clock work or Pirate Mollie who only called me scum when she was town. There are dozens of other players that call me scum all the time and there are dozens of other players that misread other player all the time. There's a chance that none of us are really that good at reading others and some of us just have bigger egos.

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I mean are we close to ending the day? We have plenty of time

In fairness, I said feels like. I mean, idk...we are @ 80+ pages. It could just be the way that I look at mafia and see it as a POE that we have to eliminate to solve and we aren't necessarily going to get anywhere by spending 7 more days talking.

I still feel like the deadline should have never been frozen and that the mod should return it to the original clock.

I don't think we had any big wagons and con's gets to 7 and it seems like most everyone is scumreading him and I'm just sick of d1 already idk.

[Nero Cain]

I need a flip to rejuvenate me.

[Nero Cain]

hey vp. could you do gamma and the irrelevant elephant pls?

[Nero Cain]

Trust: scamper, Ausuka, Aristeia, xofelf, ydrasse, fireisredsir, marcistar
Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer,

Nero Cain

, VP Baltar, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust: ConManMick, Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Frogsterking, obscure

ftr I think your word choice of trust/middle ground/distrust over the traditional tow/null/scum is a little odd but

I’ve actually been townreading you so far but this is souring that rapidly

Why were you tow reading me before and why did I only fall to middle ground and not distrust?

Why did you not join the con wagon?

[Nero Cain]

only 113 pages to go!

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I mean, I understand where you are coming from and getting a shit ton of ppl to agree on a not lurker is going to be hard

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Irrelephant11

this way if mick towns it up we can have something else to switch too.

im rdy for the day 2 shit storm that Nero bussed b/c he's too horrible to have correct reads.

[Nero Cain]

Has anyone who is scum reading elephant done a meta dive on them?

no

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I thought conman's opening salvo was fine so I kinda was gut town on him. I really hated the wagon on him and thought it was scum driven.

I did feel like his second group of posts wasn't as good and I thought "hrmmm" but that's just FOMO.

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I've seen you post like this as town. But I think I've also seen you post like this as scum

See, it's not just me. Most players are going to be similar regardless of alignment b/c it the same user posting. I also believe that a lot of players will try to blend their games and make themselves not super easy to read. But it's not like I scum read you or anyone for not having a similar style of play as to me. Still think you are scum in this game though, Gamma.

[Nero Cain]

bye marci, ty for finally voting

[Nero Cain]

I hate that both Gamma and Deas are calling con scum but not voting there

[Nero Cain]

or Gamma isn't really calling con scum, he just "distrusts" him

[Nero Cain]

Why post a readslist and then say you need to do ISOs?