hi, i'm large normal 242. and i'm over with.

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Oh my god these are the top 2 wagons? I didn't know Christmas came early

Furtive is the only wagon (hasn’t been a VC in a while)

There’s some extra outside votes but no other “wagons”

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Oh my god these are the top 2 wagons? I didn't know Christmas came early

Oh good. Looks like we have a core.

I disagree.

I still think one of you and/or Frog are scum.

But I think I will be dead probably or I will have enough info to make a mechanically confirmed one.

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Yeah townblocks are off.

NM is confirmed.

Likely (but not 100%) BCG town unless it was a plot that got foiled with NM’s shot.

Only one killing action visited Pooky and nothing else.

Surprised I am not dead.

Revising my reads so gonna be quiet.

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Kinda surprised we have me NM and BCG still.

Let’s just do it again tonight though.

Kinda boring but we can cop someone else tonight.

Makes sense as the best play.

Okay now I am quiet.

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Nice

Enjoy conf townieness NM.

Hopefully even though my reads were terrible we can use you + me + Titus (maybe?) and start a townblock

Scum are already at two forced night kills me and you

If we get them up to impossible levels invests will win.

Part of me says we should use our abilities on Titus/vocal people to give scum no quarter and if scum want to shoot Titus it goes to BGC.

I also expect a lot of invest dumping since I wasn’t blocked I doubt a blocker unless they knew the result which tells a lot.

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I guess we should probably use “heal” tags for a secondary vote.

This would be who BGC/NM/me visit tonight as another cop check.

I kinda wanna try for town today to confirm NM doesn’t visit and BCG does.

Anyone wanna go Titus?

She could go mechanically either way. If two town rolecops exist then that’s kinda weird but best to resolve Titus now.

Then she and NM can run the table.

And we also need a confirm visit from BGC to confirm likely loyal.

Like I think Titus BGC (if she has a shot)
Marci BGC (if she has a shot)
NM Titus
Me Titus
BGC Titus

Might just get us a third/fourth townfirm.

NM from the vig
Titus from lack of second death
BGC from visit on my result + Titus rolecop

If BGC is loyal and I see BGC visit Titus and neither are dead
Then BGC + Titus + NM all town

I kinda doubt the loyal claim and I would like to do this if Titus is down as this game would be horribly broken by mass claim.

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I'm just gonna sheep you

Mechanically sure

I am still resetting reads

I think the mech plan is sound but as for who is scum

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VOTE: titus

i "visited"

Why are you voting Titus?

Weren’t you supposed to visit Pooky?

Of whom you didn’t visit?

I am so confused.

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This you not visiting makes sense because if you are loyal and submitted an action to Pooky and you’re town you never “visit” so I don’t see it.

How does any of that result in a vote on Titus who I am suggesting the same tonight on?

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I did visit pooky.

i think you fail to connect the dots of frogster's flip

Connect them for me?

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pooky claimed that frogster was clear somehow off an investigative action that pooky supposedly confirmed.

titus was claiming an action that implied frogster was 100% clear

there are too many investigatives here + i think the whole claim was suspicious around it

I think that mechanically Titus is suspicious because dual role cop.

But by play she really isn’t.

So by you me and NM doing the mass visit again if Titus is scum we aren’t spending pages and pages with Titus to sort her. We just use mech to do it.

If she’s town she won’t die and you won’t die

It’s the same thing as the Pooky plan.

Then we will know her rolecops are legit or not

I agree this level of invests is sus.

But scum killed Frogger over breaking up this conf town chain for a reason.

It’s either to sus Titus or protect her I think.

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well u better hope im not 1 shot, even night, or roleblocked tonight if u wanna do ur plan

If you were those things you’d say so as to not waste the coordination.

So are you?

Should we just be aiming for scum?

I figured you’d love a townfirm.

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well u better hope im not 1 shot, even night, or roleblocked tonight if u wanna do ur plan

If you were those things you’d say so as to not waste the coordination.

So are you?

Should we just be aiming for scum?

I figured you’d love a townfirm.

idk if i want to to force scum to play around it

?? Elaborate please

You don’t want to force scum to have to have less options?

I don’t follow

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pooky claimed that frogster was clear somehow off an investigative action that pooky supposedly confirmed.

titus was claiming an action that implied frogster was 100% clear

there are too many investigatives here + i think the whole claim was suspicious around it

This is incorrect. I visited MalcolmTucker n1. He's vanilla. I did get a result n2.

Awesome. Are you gonna share or holding until midday?

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mech wifom (:

That doesn’t explain things.

If I can confirm Titus and you tonight then Titus + you + NM + me = 4 conf town.

That’s almost impossible to beat.

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Spoiler:

vote count 3.0 !

not voting (11):

Not_Mafia, Enchant, MalcolmTucker, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, Toogeloo, MathBlade, marcistar, MariaR

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

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Let me put it another way. Assume worst case scenario, we elim town. 10 alive at night.

Then assume you + Titus + me + NM all town and live until tomorrow and scum get a night kill.

9 alive start of day.

This means 4 conf town + 3 scum + 2 unknowns.

That’s damn fine odds.

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I am afraid I am going to insist BGC or my theory BGC + Pooky is looking mighty fine.

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u cant threaten me with a push when i know damn well i look good off pooky scumflip here and u know that

Except you don’t?

And my threat has nothing to do with that.

It’s more that you were willing to “confirm” Pooky, but you aren’t Titus.

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u cant threaten me with a push when i know damn well i look good off pooky scumflip here and u know that

Except you don’t?

And my threat has nothing to do with that.

It’s more that you were willing to “confirm” Pooky, but you aren’t Titus.

because im a fucking 1 shot and the 1 person who could have confirmed it is dead and i suspect titus had something to do with that

Right but if the person doesn’t die then I don’t think your shot is wasted?

I need to ask the mod.

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In other words I think 1 shot BG is redundant as there’s no revival mechanics.

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do you really think that theyd let anything more than this restrictive of a loyal role that combos with vig into a normal? i bet NM also is 1 shot here so yeah

I’ve seen lots of power creep in normals

I am more just planning to get as many conf town as possible since my reads were pretty crappy.

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Oh captain, my captain. Frog hath perished.

I give my Not Mafia my vote today.

You realize that would make me a triple voter right? You sure you wanna do that?

NM already gave me his.

I legit have no clue who is scum right now.

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I wanna see any spicy results and give people a chance to respond.

If you’re right and Malcolm is scum we can see how people respond to any results.

Especially since redirects aren’t normal.

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i said "visited" because it failed bc i obviously visited an illegal target

what does this mean? are you like, only able to visit town?

That’s what loyal means.

Hence if he never visited I wonder if the shot is spent

Normal rules are ambiguous.

If he still has a shot and so does NM then boom another check on someone

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I was just hoping to see if I could confirm people. The more people confirmed mechanically the less people spoons on.

It may not be that clear unfortunately.

We never finished mass claim and we should totally do that though.

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@enchant - Marci correctly says I visited Pooky last night which is correct but doesn’t fill me with a lot of confidence

@enchant, Toog, Marci, std, cape let’s finish mass claim

@Titus - You got a result when the person you checked claims (if they haven’t already) please share your result.

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If you are rolecopped I will ask Titus to reveal if there is no reason to hide it.

Fair?

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I will hope she checked someone else then

Because I want to sort her today.

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Then still awaiting mass claim.

Off topic Titus cute avvy. I claim scritching voyeur. I must scritch cute kitty avatars.

(This is obviously a joke. I am just a voyeur)

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Hey Titus.

How do you feel about checking BGC’s shots tonight?

Schadd got back to me that indeed BGC would not be able to act if he’s one shot.

I wanna just verify that.

How would you feel about that?

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Especially considering Doctor tracker claim.

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I’d say checking BGC or Marci would be a good idea

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Damn the crickets are louder than people.

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Not really.

Even night tracker loyal BG unless scum have a strongman is pretty formidable.

So it’s pretty likely one of you is lying or Titus will catch them.

So Titus check BGC ideally would be next

Still waiting on the mass claim though

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Mainly I am running into a triangle of problems
If BGC and Marci are truthtelling then scum have a strongman => Means Titus and Frog would have ample chances to catch the strongman.

No matter how I slice it I think there has to be a scum in BGC/Marci/Titus

I think Titus is a scum neopolitan/VCop but I have no way to prove my gut and I have to work now.

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Maybe remaining players say Vanilla or not?

Then Titus says how many vowels in a non vanilla player’s role? Vowels defined as AEIOU.

Then player checked full claims?

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For example I am a voyeur

So I would say “not vanilla”

Then if Titus rolecopped me she’d say 3, one o, one e, and one u.

Then I would say yeah that matches Voyeur.

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dont pretend like u werent expecting this you outwardly said "any other prots dont go on pooky" sumn like that, so now that theres a 2nd one its super scummy?!??!?!

NAH U WERE EXPECTING IT

I wasn’t. I was just being explicitly clear since I only get a number as a voyeur. I have seen people go rogue too many times to not be explicit.

As I said before I don’t try to guess setups until I have enough information to do so.

Titus obviously didn’t get a “strongman X” in her check or she’d have gone “X is scum”

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nahh u were expectinf it

if ur so sure im scum ill just never heal u again gg

I literally didn’t say it was you specifically.

Why the overreaction?

I am saying pieces don’t add up between the three of you.

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Not really.

Even night tracker loyal BG unless scum have a strongman is pretty formidable.

So it’s pretty likely one of you is lying or Titus will catch them.

So Titus check BGC ideally would be next

Still waiting on the mass claim though

is this not u doubting me

It’s doubting the three of you together.

There’s something that doesn’t gel within you three.

I am not sure what it is though.

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prob u not being open minded

Maybe? It just doesn’t add up to me.

By voicing my confusion I can hope that others can remove it or see where I am wrong.

Then for example Titus can say she got 2 O’s and 3 Us (this is made up) on whoever she checked.

If she is town that shouldn’t be hard for her

It’s more I am devising things I think help protect town

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I also find it sus she didn’t check someone who had already claimed.

There’s just a lot that doesn’t add up

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Do you at least have a working PoE, Math?

Not right now.

Mainly I was hoping that people would talk and not having to work the weekend.

Urgent thing came up so I didn’t get a chance to review much.

Hence why I didn’t want a triple voter on me.

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Let's start baby steps. Do you between 1-3 town reads?

Yep
Not Mafia => Town or neutralized SK (if two town deaths kill with all haste)
Cape90 => Since town nor scum visited I am okay calling Cape Town for now
You => Since Frogger flipped town my you traitor + Frog scum theory is invalid and you’re posting.

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Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me. Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.

I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.

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Math, I don't trust you at all. You rammed though furtiveglance and now you're trying to tell me what to do. Not interested.

Why should I think you're town?

I rammed through it because it was the smart thing to do that allowed conf’ing of NM.

I was hoping it would allow for me and BGC and NM to all be conf’d.

It was the most logical play.

You should listen to what I am saying versus the source of it.

Is what I am saying correct?

You’re suspicious, especially after Frogger flip. True
You should validate you are a rolecop. True. You can do so by giving vowels in who you rolecopped, that player can agree to those vowels, then say their role and you confirm or deny like a handshake.

Your choice of target of someone unclaimed after yesterday saying you could check those who had claimed is sus.

I find you very sus.

I on the other hand, unless you believe me scum with Marci was tracked to Pooky and Pooky alone.

Thus making me damn near conf town.

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If I was scum with Pooky I don’t set up a backup plan that shoots him.

You’re literally disagreeing with NM and Toog who gave me their votes.

This feels like desperation

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VOTE: Titus

If you don’t want to cooperate with the town block you can die. No need for mass claim.

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Unless NM or Toog tell me no I am okay with you dying right here right now.

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I don’t believe you are a rolecop and you can’t do the vowels trick.

And if you were a rolecop they wouldn’t need a hint to what to claim
They’d just claim their role lol

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You always come up with “I am not a rolecop omg no!”

I mean if someone found another role with the same vowels it literally wouldn’t matter as you’d know they’d be lying scum.

Unless of course you’re not a rolecop.

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So then it’d be a 1v1 with you and them and the other scum have to solo with all these invests out. Good luck.

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Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.

Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.

I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.

Why is this true? You're active, sure, but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.

Because I am a voyeur.

If anyone goes against what town decides the numbers won’t add up. I will get too few or too many of a given action.

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VOTE: Titus

If you don’t want to cooperate with the town block you can die. No need for mass claim.

Do you actually properly think Titus is scum here or not? The wording of your post indicates you're largely voting Titus for disagreeing with you and I dislike that, it can be frustration but disagreement isn't always bad for town provided players aren't overly stubborn.

I waffle back and forth

But the longer she doesn’t give that information that doesn’t hurt town in any way and only helps scum to keep secret she makes me think she’s not a rolecop.

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Giving any hint to who I checked helps scum. Not going to do it.

You want to talk reads, I am here for it. You want to tell me what to do? Fuck off.

And you voting them doesn’t give a hint *at all* /s

How would it help scum? I don’t see how a set of vowels helps scum.

I debunked your “fake claim” argument

What other reason?

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Why is town in quotes Malcolm?

And with your premise, I agree by my role alone I am not lock town. It’s how I am using it that makes me so.

I am going to wait on NM and Toog if I should Unvote because I think Titus is a scum Neo or VC cop as I theorized earlier.

I think I asked her to do the impossible if she’s not. And if she was a rolecop she would.

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While not opposed to Titus, I do think spending some of the day with focus on Enchant, STD, or MariaR would be wise, even if we swap to Titus later. Of the three, I think I like STD the most as town, only because they did early town read me during Day 1 and Day 2 when I myself was intentionally portraying myself as LHF. Of the three, I like MariaR more for scum. I could see MariaR and Titus as a team even.

I've given my vote to NM though, so if he follows you onto Titus, I will as well.

Can’t really hunt what doesn’t post though.

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@Titus - Vowels please

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Nah.

I am good waiting for vowels.

I don’t think you’re a rolecop. I will wait for you to do so or not.

Townblock agrees with me that you’re a good vote.

I did a sanity check.

Once you give your vowels I can discuss reads.

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Correct.

I was an idiot yesterday.

I am working to rectify that.

I made a failsafe in case I was an idiot and thankfully Pooky is dead.

What’s really sus is you backing off Pooky. Pooky saw what was happening and didn’t want to die hence the beg off.

Like may I have some vowels please?

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If any scum, toog.

I called Pooky scum before it was cool, and belittled Math's confidence in the Pooky wagon.

Try again.

There's the caveat (if any). I have maintained Pooky pure.

If I am not a rolecop, there's no reason to CC Frogsterking there.

You aren't willing to discuss reads because you don't have them.

If I had copped a known claim, you would argue that I faked it because the claim was out there.

You had a massive push for massclaim, which you conveniently don't want anymore.

You defended Pooky.
You pushed Frogsterking.

You are not playing protown.

No I still want it. Just after you prove you’re a role cop if you are. Not before.

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No I still want it. Just after you prove you’re a role cop if you are. Not before.

There is no proving if my target tells the truth.

With me not telling vowels, everyone (not just my target) must be honest.

They still have to be honest if you tell vowels.

Like you literally checked them

If they are say a tracker that has one a and one e.

They if they fake claim another role with one a and one e then they’re outed scum.

You can’t do it.

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Yes, but only my target does. Anyone who doesn't match the vowels can fake. Outing vowels just tells my target alone to be honest.

Anyone who isn’t your target can fake anyway.

They get outed by other invests.

Again I fail to see your point.

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Yes, but only my target does. Anyone who doesn't match the vowels can fake. Outing vowels just tells my target alone to be honest.

Anyone who isn’t your target can fake anyway.

They get outed by other invests.

Again I fail to see your point.

If they have doubt, they can't fake. They risk a CC (unless they match vowels with the fake). No one knows my target.

Lmao yes they can.

Do you think scum never lie?

I’ve lied on a direct guilty and lived for two days before.

That’s a BS argument.

If you want to talk reads give me how many of one vowel (your choice) your target has.

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No. I guess we have nothing to talk about regarding the rolecop. I don't bully. We are just finishing the mass claim. I am not letting you coach your partner.

What is your result btw?

I already said mine. You didn’t read did you?

You’re so focused on getting out of this you didn’t read.

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Oh this isn’t bullying it’s making you prove your claim.

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Yeah townblocks are off.

NM is confirmed.

Likely (but not 100%) BCG town unless it was a plot that got foiled with NM’s shot.

Only one killing action visited Pooky and nothing else.

Surprised I am not dead.

Revising my reads so gonna be quiet.

C’mon Titus.

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Honestly verifying BCG is 1 shot is the best check to me. How BGC claimed it is fishy AF

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If Enchant comes back vig, conftown. Kinda was hoping Enchant shoots you or me.

We've established any PR who plays not like you is scum fypov. Frogsterking, furtiveglance, me and BCG. All are town or likely town.

You don't die bc you're the problem.

Enchant won’t/shouldn’t come back vig.

Vig in a normal is an IC as it can only be assigned to town per the rules. NM is a proven vig.

Furtiveglance was a necessary elim. It’s standard operating procedure.
Frog was scummy AF. He was town and I came around slowly. That doesn’t mitigate his scummy play.
BGC to me looks like a liar. I would like for him to be checked.

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How did you get to the “prob town” part

She backed off Pooky a bit and backed off Furtive like she had inside knowledge he’d flip town and won’t confirm her claim?

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How did you get to the “prob town” part

She backed off Pooky a bit and backed off Furtive like she had inside knowledge he’d flip town and won’t confirm her claim?

Do mafia fakes follower on teammates from first night?


i don't think so

I am not Vig.

I thought you claimed loyal vig?

NM is Disloyal Vig.


I am not vig at all, i just joked. I am modified investigative.

... Where is my fucking rolelist

I do.

Especially if Pooky believes he’s going to die.

Then Titus can take cred. She’s ran all sorts of gambits.

She iirc (can’t check at work) railed against my shoot Pooky plan.

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How did you get to the “prob town” part

She backed off Pooky a bit and backed off Furtive like she had inside knowledge he’d flip town and won’t confirm her claim?

Your plan doesn't confirm my claim.

Aspies miss jokes. I considered the possibility of that and your plan.

Frankly, there's nothing to do until subs get here.

Yes there is.

You claim a vowel or something in the role.

I don’t want you to do “yep that’s right” then just later on go “oh that’s wrong” having never been a rolecop.

I want some sort of proof you’re a rolecop sis.

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Is two town Rolecops something that would appear in a normal game? That's where you lose me.

It’s possible, but that’s why I would rather a partial role claim from Titus

So that way we can confirm role cop or not.

Then can sort her on play.

Mainly if she’s lying she needs to speak up now.

Schadd has been known to do weird stuff along with Isis.

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Role confirmation*

Titus please give the vowels. Or some consonants your choice

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Is two town Rolecops something that would appear in a normal game? That's where you lose me.

I'm very much aware and I reset on Frogsterking because of it. I think Frogsterking was designed to be a miselimination (he's the sole ungated role), with me as a backup miselimination. I mentioned as much before and when I CCed Frogsterking.

We should look at play IMO.

Incorrect. I am ungated as well and said as such earlier I believe.

I have stated and believe that I am pretty much the cop in this game.

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Roles are only as weak as one believes they are.

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Unless they are literally weak lmao. Yay dad jokes

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I have stated and believe that I am pretty much the cop in this game.

I think technically a disloyal Vig is a better cop, lol

We are in tandem.

A scum player can be BP and false inno.

If a killing action arrived and still dead then it’s still a guilty.

Hence why if/can NM shoot again I always want to voyeur the slot.

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It’s why I am nervous especially if NM has multiple shots that either Marci or BGC would be scum.

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I have no problem elimming the unreplaced StD slot but I want to confirm Titus as rolecop first.

I don’t want to have an unconfirmed Titus claim something in a possible elo and then people have to scramble.

That’s my biggest fear.

Pedit:

NM shoots a BP Mafia.
NM shoots a Townie

Without the voyeur these LOOK the same.

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I have no problem elimming the unreplaced StD slot but I want to confirm Titus as rolecop first.

I don’t want to have an unconfirmed Titus claim something in a possible elo and then people have to scramble.

That’s my biggest fear.

Pedit:

NM shoots a BP Mafia.
NM shoots a Townie

Without the voyeur these LOOK the same.

Looking back at the Pooky wagon D2 I don't really see that coming from Titus. And the dynamics which may have come from scum STD pushing back against it with a weak vote against Titus while also not offering a particularly robust defence of Pooky at the same time looks much more convincing to me.

I don't know, I get very active players like you and Titus don't go radio silent as scum but the back and forth between you both does not read like scum vs town interaction to me and that's reinforced by the silence of a lot of players around you who probably saw it as convenient to sit back.

It’s possible but I’d rather not risk it here.

If she confirms herself rolecop I have zero qualms about an StD wagon (I still think you’re town)

I just have seen false guilties and innos and Titus gives me that icky feeling and I know how good she is as scum.

So I would rather her on the off chance she is scum she’s locked into a rolecop claim versus Neo or Vanilla cop which I think would help scum more than a rolecop.

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I just know how scary Titus is as scum so I am just nervous the more she doesn’t confirm she is a rolecop the more it is a ploy.

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VOTE: StD

Let’s go!!

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literally why am i scum other than for suspecting u malcolm?

Because you’re a claimed protective when town has a vig.

Ergo one of you or BGC likely scum.

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I wish it wasn’t a vanilla and an actual role but I will take it.

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Can I get a reads list from you Math?

One of BGC/Marci is scum because vig
Std probably scum

I kinda haven’t given it more thought than that since I will probably be dead.

I don’t like you don’t have an actual role and could be a vanilla cop/Neo but I will leave that alone. It’s worth revisiting if you aren’t dead before elo.

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If NM has a shot since BGC is one shot of Titus won’t check there validating BGC and Marci doesn’t visit there (and she shouldn’t since she is claimed even night) wouldn’t hurt.

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If both happen to be town we are probably looking for a BP or some other hidden protective

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If NM has a shot since BGC is one shot of Titus won’t check there validating BGC and Marci doesn’t visit there (and she shouldn’t since she is claimed even night) wouldn’t hurt.

I haven't decided who I am checking n3 tyvm

You said no earlier when I brought it up so I assumed that remained

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Who should I vig?

Depends on who Titus is checking.

And you’ve never gone along with anything until forced. You’re not cooperating so I will plan around you.

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Who should I vig?

Depends on who Titus is checking.

And you’ve never gone along with anything until forced. You’re not cooperating so I will plan around you.

Second line is @Titus to be clear.

So Titus if StD flips town who would you check?
If StD flips scum who would you check?

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Who should I vig?

Depends on who Titus is checking.

And you’ve never gone along with anything until forced. You’re not cooperating so I will plan around you.

I am co-operating I'm just not trying

Correct I meant the second line at Titus

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VOTE: BCG

Working with my TRs

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Cooperating it’s fun.

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Yep.

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Since Titus isn’t saying her check, I would say NM let’s do
If BCG flips scum StD
If BGC flips town then Marci or Std or Titus your choice

Just let me know which before EoD

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I found it in a math blade post

Loyal bg

my results useless

but yes u did visit pooky

So the track result that marci is claiming is that chungus visited pooky the night that pooky died?

How many shots?

Marci tracked me to Pooky. I am a voyeur who claimed correctly I would visit Pooky.

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Wait, if he is loyal does he visit and his action fail? Or does he never visit?

Never visits

It’s why you and NM were supposed to attempt visit Pooky.
If Pooky was town I confirm you
If Pooky was scum he’d be dead.

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It’s also partially why I want to know if you have more shots.

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I am a VT, so I don't have e shots.

I replaced std not chungus

Math.exe has borked

Math.exe restarted

My bad. Got the claim though. Since you read first could be forced.

Meh. I am okay with a BGC elim I think. Shines a lot into things I think.

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I am a VT, so I don't have e shots.

I replaced std not chungus

math seems to think 54667776567 invests can co exist but 2 protectives cant
i think is why he has poe of either me or chungus

but i tr xhungus T_T i dont think they were playing me like a violin at all..

Correct. I do.

You say it is like hyperbole. I think scum would have had some sort of defense against a multi shot disloyal vig.

UNVOTE:

Bahhh

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No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

BGC says he has no more shots before replacing out.
Marci makes more sense mechanically to be scum
BGC makes more sense by play given he wanted to confirm Pooky before NM came out as disloyal vig.

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No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.

BGC says he has no more shots before replacing out.
Marci makes more sense mechanically to be scum
BGC makes more sense by play given he wanted to confirm Pooky before NM came out as disloyal vig.

Fuck mech. VCA.

If marci was a scum doctor, marci likely heals Pooky and claims elsewhere.

That doesn’t last long at all if not in her elim that day or future days.

Marci would show as an invest and a protective action.

I would get one killing, tracking, and protective.

I confirm NM town if I am alive and then we still elim Pooky and *might miselim BGC* but short of that invest also claiming it’s dead.

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To save Pooky scum would have to kill me

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We probably elim Pooky in that world as I have a guilty.

I suggest we visit BGC in that world, likely get a confirm

Then we know we are looking for scum invest and protect

In which rolecops lead to Marci

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you also said furtives role makes sense for scum to have but look where that wound u up

It absolutely did. It was still the right play to elim furtive because of that and lying. It’s not like I was alone in saying it either. Given the same facts I’d do it again too.

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Marci it is

I will be setup to voyeur her unless you change your mind.

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This is assuming BGC flips town of course

I think he flips scum in which case STD is the check

Just wanna get you and Toog on the same page

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I mean lukewarm my bad

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Did you iso Pooky? That exchange between BCG and Pooky doesn't really vibe with scum theater.

No I didn’t and hard to do at work.

With how messed up my Pooky read was I don’t trust myself to reach the correct conclusion.

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Yes it *could* happen you’re both town. It *could be* scum have just a follower and two VTs.

The odds of that are abysmal.

Town does what is probable scum reaches for the possible

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Vanilla goons omg I can’t type

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so... why use mechanics if ur so bad at it? u should try focusing on reading ppl for what they've done I think ull have higher chances of succeeding then

I am good at them though.
I used mechanics to townfirm NM and possibly would have BGC.

Like ?

Just because you break a few eggs doesn’t make you bad at omelette cooking

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Titus that makes no sense.
Loyal vig doc/track voyeur and two rolecops (and other invests) against a two shot follower and two goons. Really?

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Setup is designed to lim each other. I am going with VCA. I haven't ruled out a PR being scum.

I can see that to an extent but with that balance scum lose due to so many confs it’s ridiculous.

Or just follow the disloyal vig.

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Some roles might be designed that way but not all

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We'll actually sort through the PRs over time. I just stopped fake claim of a PR by scum goon. Now, time to verify.

You don't townread StD/Luke, so what's the problem?

Uhm no you didn’t?

Again I don’t mind elimming StD.

It’s the StD => Malcolm scum I disagree with.

I tr Malcolm and don’t find the setup viable

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We'll actually sort through the PRs over time. I just stopped fake claim of a PR by scum goon. Now, time to verify.

You don't townread StD/Luke, so what's the problem?

Uhm no you didn’t?

Again I don’t mind elimming StD.

It’s the StD => Malcolm scum I disagree with.

I tr Malcolm and don’t find the setup viable

Then we argue Malcolm tomorrow. Baby steps.

I’d rather get me NM and Toog on the same page on who to elim and who to check.

I think we are but vote say otherwise and Toog wanted an iso which I can try after work.

I also don’t trust you at all.

I am extremely paranoid of you + Marci too.

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PookyTheMagicalBear - 2-Shot Follower
Spoiler: Acts
N1: Titus. Result: investigative Action
N2: Unknown

Any idea how follower Pooky would have known Titus was specifically an invest?

Followers see the action type of who they follow.

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We have a claimed rolecop and a flipped rolecop?

Did Titus claim before or after frog claimed/died?

Frog claimed in thread
Titus claimed after that but didn’t act as CC.

Worth of note she hasn’t confirmed her RC claim. Only that she can check for vanilla/not vanilla

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We have a claimed rolecop and a flipped rolecop?

Did Titus claim before or after frog claimed/died?

Frog claimed in thread
Titus claimed after that but didn’t act as CC.

Worth of note she hasn’t confirmed her RC claim. Only that she can check for vanilla/not vanilla

If she is actually claiming role cop, then forcing her to target bcg/marci should tell us a lot right?

If marci is actually a doc, it seems like if she was scum she would have always protected pooky if NM announced he was gonna target him, right?

If she is actually claiming like vanilla cop, then obviously not as helpful

She’s claiming rolecop.

Marci had full claimed. Checking someone who is not full claimed then she hand shakes part and the other person confirms is the only way to confirm.

Otherwise Titus just goes “yep matches the claim” and we don’t know

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How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

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And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

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Sorry, my roommate was in a car accident this morning. Might be a bit before I actually get caught up.

I'm a VT

so like

Luke is outed for this right?

?? Why do you say this??

I hope his roommate gets better and Luke being scum is a possibility but I don’t see the dots here

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How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

Except it wouldn’t be a guilty on BGC though

Because of their claims (BG and vig)

If an additional action occurs and no one claimed it then I’d me more convinced BGC was being framed.

Town would have no reason to invest there (because of many many times not to visit) and scum would learn nothing.

It’d make me look for a combined protective investigative.

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It was expected result.
Math specifically told that he will be on Pooky.


So there's no reason why mafia would't just shot Math and heal Pooky if Marci is mafia. Unless Marci and Math both scum. But then it's illogical for them to bus Pooky if they can just... not?

Correct. If I am scum here (which I am not) then wasting effort defending Pooky there would be capital best spent otherwise. Enchant is correct here in what I would do as scum which makes me think he’s trying to sort me which makes me think he is town.

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How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?

And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.

I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

Except it wouldn’t be a guilty on BGC though

Because of their claims (BG and vig)

If an additional action occurs and no one claimed it then I’d me more convinced BGC was being framed.

Town would have no reason to invest there (because of many many times not to visit) and scum would learn nothing.

It’d make me look for a combined protective investigative.

Furthermore it would not provide a false clear on Pooky.

Disloyal killing action arrived at Pooky << This is a fact to me.
Whether or not Pooky lives or dies or not if I get that that person is opposite alignment to NM. NM is confirmed town due to vig. Ergo Pooky = scum to me and I never ever relent.

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I claim infinite shot hug deployed and deploy them all on Titus.

Will also be slow to respond work fires.

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I claim infinite shot hug deployed and deploy them all on Titus.

Will also be slow to respond work fires.

I also demand an infinite shot hug pr be targeted at me, thank you very much

While (Cape90.state == wantsHugs && math.CanGiveHugs)
:hug: here you go!

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Lukewarm*

Lmao anybody

Math can’t function while working lmao

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It’s called I have had a shitty few weeks and I decided to sleep in.

I want to see NM and Toog get on the same page. They don’t seem to be.

Titus is being scummy AF right now. I really am super paranoid of Marci/Titus

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The main issue I have is i don’t think BGC is scum.

We should finish mass claim.

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Not_Mafia -

Jester

Novice Disloyal vig << Conftown

Spoiler: Acts

N1: No Action
N2: Attacking Pooky. Result: Success.

Enchant - Modified Investigative

Spoiler: Acts

N1: No Action
N2: No Action

Big Chungus Gaming - Loyal Bodyguard

Spoiler: Acts

N1: ???
N2: PookyTheMagicalBear. Result: Action Failed

Titus - X-Shot Rolecop

Spoiler: Acts

N1: MalcolmTucker. Result - Vanilla
N2: ???

MathBlade - Vouyer

Spoiler: Acts

N1: Cape90. Result: No one visited.
N2: PookyTheMagicalBear. Result: 1x Attacking action.

marcistar - Even-Night Combined Doctor-Tracker

Spoiler: Acts:

N1: No Action
N2: MathBlade. Result: PookyTheMagicalBear

Cape90 - Vanilla Townie
Toogeloo - Fucking Bullshiter
Save The Dragons - Didn't Claim
MalcolmTucker - Vanilla Townie
MariaR - Vanilla Townie

Alisae - Vanilla Townie
kittytacky - Fruit Vendor

Spoiler: Acts

N1: Not_Mafia

furtiveglance - Novice JOAT (roleblocker, alien, tracker)

Spoiler: Acts

N1: No Action

PookyTheMagicalBear - 2-Shot Follower

Spoiler: Acts

N1: Titus. Result: Investigative Action
N2: Unknown

Frogsterking - Rolecop

Spoiler: Acts

N1: furtive. Result - Novice JOAT (roleblocker, alien, tracker)
N2: Unknown

Fixed again.

This one is actual.

I actually have some opinions, which i don't want to share for now, i will speak up if person in interest hits many votes, but i think they are fairly town. This opinion fairly easy to achieve by looking at list (go try).
List is again actual. I think.

Added. It was useless track though.


I have reason to not claim. If i am rolecopped, i also asking to not reveal me for now.

Update.

Enchant and StD and Toog I think?

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Do we tell NM who to shot

Marci.

You gonna finish your claim?

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Do we tell NM who to shot

Marci.

You gonna finish your claim?

It seems like since he is scum reading BCG, that is probably where he is gonna shoot.

Enchant already said not a vig?

Was previously discussed Marci?

If NM goes BCG I need to know so I change and we are on the same target

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why do u need to confgirm nm again?

I think the point is to know : did they live because of the disloyal mod or because a scum doc was on them

Tests the target, not NM

This

It’s why I would prefer to test you over BGC

Because if you’re town and live to tomorrow and NM lives to tomorrow then you visit NM meaning we likely get a check on N4 and survives to N5.

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I want to have all protective slots checked and taken care of.

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I don’t scumread Luke.

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VOTE: Marci

Really feeling this instead.

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Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Mal has votes because Mal didn’t play the way scum Titus expected

So he’s getting run up as a VT.

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The town block of NM/Toog/me don’t think Malcolm is scum

NM = conf vig
Toog = ?? (Should claim)
Enchant = double of someone.

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Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Mal has votes because Mal didn’t play the way scum Titus expected

So he’s getting run up as a VT.

I meant if Enchant was claiming a guilty on me I'd expect a lot more votes in my direction. Or better yet, votes in Enchant's direction since I'm not actually guilty

Reaction test imho. Titus arguing against the town block, which is imho a scum claim, but no one has the appetite for her.

So mainly I think the solve is Marci+Titus but the game doesn’t have the will for that.

So I am protest voting then NM check Marci I voyeur Marci.

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Wait is Enchant serious then? Why does Mal have votes?

I have 1 shot

Remaining?

I was waiting on clarification for something but I think I still have my shot yeah

According to the question I asked the mod you shouldn’t…

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If you do visit Marci then it works out even better.

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apparently u think im truthfully claimimg what i am but a magical protective pr is gonna appear out of thin air? you already dont think me and chungus slot can exisit both as town so theres gonna be a third on me?!?!?! make it make sense

how would u and nm both being on me do SHIT lollllll

I don’t thing both you and BGC (now Johnny) can be town so scum can defend against NM vig.

NM disloyal vig + Johnny visit you + Me = cop check on you.

If Johnny doesn’t visit you and you die you’re scum with BGC easy enough
If NM doesn’t visit then you’re more than likely town.

If scum had a blocker they’d have used it on NM yesterday to create doubt about Pooky’s alignment.

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VOTE: Marci

Really feeling this instead.

Why are you changing your mind as soon as I ask to lock in Lukewarm as the check? Why are you saying Lukewarm is town as a basic assertion.

We can easily do this to confirm two players here.

We can send you and JF to Marci and NM to Luke, with a Marci track.

Then we flip Malcom.

Because you didn’t ever say who you’re going to check.

Scum doesn’t dictate checks

Townblock does.

You’re trying to save Marci.

Marci is also claimed even night

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Lmao

This reeks of desperation Titus.

Marci was designed the check a while back and agreed upon.

You can have your VT miselim and we check Marci

Or we can elim Marci.

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Because one of BGC and Marci have to be scum here.

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Lmao

This reeks of desperation Titus.

Marci was designed the check a while back and agreed upon.

You can have your VT miselim and we check Marci

Or we can elim Marci.

I never agreed to anything. I'm hardly "desperate" as my suspect is wagoned.

You aren't defending Luke. You aren't showing your VCA. You are changing your target as soon as BCG says he has a shot.

Town!Math knows that using BCG shot with your result is golden.

Yet you change.

Correct.
You didn’t agree as you’re not in the block.

I have been saying no on Luke and Malcolm for a while.

BGC said he didn’t have a shot before replacing out. Now Johnny says he has one.

Need to clarify that and solve the BGC/Marci problem.

Best way is Johnny visit Marci,

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Because one of BGC and Marci have to be scum here.

Then play my plan out.

NM shoots you. He's disloyal. Marci can't fuck it up. Marci might as well visit Luke.

If we get BCG/Marci/you on Luke, then we get a practically solved game. NM could shoot Marci.

If BcG is scum, then his alignment will be confirmed same or different from Luke.

So if Marci's scum, she's dead. If BcG is scum, then we get likely don't get a matching visit.

There's no way for them to hide.

Marci claimed even night.

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I don’t trust Johnny has one and only one shot. Predecessor said it was used.

I want NM Me and Johnny on Marci as was agreed upon

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Then I can check Marci with my plan.

You and BCG/Johnny on Luke still sets up power. NM shooting Marci is your ideal world too.

I am not letting the scum partner check their buddy.

NM shoot Marci I voyeur Marci Johnny visit Marci is the only way to reliably check both. If you like you can check Johnny.

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I don’t trust Johnny has one and only one shot. Predecessor said it was used.

I want NM Me and Johnny on Marci as was agreed upon

Then Johnny will out himself as scum by not visiting Luke or out them as partners.

Or town Johnny didn’t understand mechanics.

My plan is it

You just don’t want Marci to die

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The more you beg the more I am convinced I am right.

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Then I can check Marci with my plan.

You and BCG/Johnny on Luke still sets up power. NM shooting Marci is your ideal world too.

I am not letting the scum partner check their buddy.

NM shoot Marci I voyeur Marci Johnny visit Marci is the only way to reliably check both. If you like you can check Johnny.

We agree NM shoots Marci, so why vote her?

We can confirm Johnny and Luke tonight with this information.

You actually need to listen.

You said yourself that scum have no roleblocker.

So play out every scenario.

There's no way scum engame if we have Johnny and you go to Luke. I think you know that though.

As I said it’s a protest vote

You get your miselim

I get the prior agreed upon check of Marci with me and NM and Johnny(if possible) visiting
If we aren’t checking Marci we are flipping her

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So are we boutta mechanically win this game then? Snore

Yep.

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We can't 100% box the game in without knowing a bg result from Johnny though.

So are we boutta mechanically win this game then? Snore

Yes, if Math cooperates. If he refuses, we should just eliminate Luke.

Oh honey you’re the one not cooperating.

It’s just exhausting arguing with you when I know you won’t change and I have work todo.

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I'm checking Math tonight.

I can't force him to play protown. So I'll have to confirm him as scum tomorrow.

It’s okay Titus.

I read you as not a rolecop.

It’s why you shot Frog and let Pooky die.

You could shoot me then Pooky gets a ton of sus when only one death.
Or you could shoot Frog who outs you as Vanilla cop or Neo.

It’s a rough choice.

I expect you to make up crap tomorrow.

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Marci can be one shot BP.

And if I happen to be wrong on her, then her inno into D4 is best for town.

You’re right. You bogged up the thread to try to escape.

There’s a lot more worlds than what you’re pitching. That’s just where you want town to be.

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But yes Marci and you is my current theory.

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Marci can be one shot BP.

This false godfather clear wouldn't happen in a normal game. You're reaching.

I hate that you're just being opposite for the sake of being opposite. A rationally thinking mechanics based player would say proving Johnny and Luke/Malcolm is the right manuever because then it PoEs the game to you, me, marci, luke/malcolm.

The problem is you won't do that because you want every exit hatch open.

The PoE is

technically

everyone but NM.

I know I am town and that’s it.

I tr Toog but it is even possible for him to be scum

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Marci can be one shot BP.

This false godfather clear wouldn't happen in a normal game. You're reaching.

I hate that you're just being opposite for the sake of being opposite. A rationally thinking mechanics based player would say proving Johnny and Luke/Malcolm is the right manuever because then it PoEs the game to you, me, marci, luke/malcolm.

The problem is you won't do that because you want every exit hatch open.

The PoE is

technically

everyone but NM.

I know I am town and that’s it.

I tr Toog but it is even possible for him to be scum

Then why are you so against Luke and saying we could miselim Malcolm?

Because I TR them both and you’ve been pushing them and you’re my top scum spect.

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Firstly: VOTE: MalcolmTucker hummer

Secondly:

NM shot Marci

MathBlade do you

Jonny if you can, protect Marci

Titus, rolecop someone (i would suggest me as i still didn't claim)

I do i

Marci, vibe

TITUS DON'T CHECK MATH, VOUYER IS NOT CLAIM WHICH CAN BE EASILY FAKECLAIMED IT DOESH'T PROVE ANYTHING UNLESS HE LIED ABOUT MODIFIERS

I am gonna be voyeuring Marci

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Lol, you couldn't sound more scummy with that if you had tried.

Then we will see tonight.

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Sorry
Everyone else
Math
Enchant
Me

Uhmm no?

Enchant said
Everyone else
Me
You
Enchant

I am sus you’re not a rolecop and would like that confirmed please. I trust Enchant

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Titus should state my role after everyone else claim and confirm action. Afterwards, i tell on who i have guilty.

MathBlade will be more or less confirmed by stating results afterwards, so skipped for now.

I can't confirm his action unless he claims it first. Logically impossible.

I already confirmed it's possible he has a guilty. I suspect he might actually have an implied guilty as well but logically he has at least 1 guilty.

Lmao what horse manure.

You’re not confirming enchant. He’s confirming you.

Let’s say Enchant is a cop tracker watcher follower all the time mega Joat. (This is made up not fishing)
Then if you are a role cop you know he is that long salad role.

Then you say Enchant is a cop tracker watcher follower Joat.
Enchant says I tracked X to NM or I copped Y and they came up scum.

You both confirm each other like that.

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No wait Math you're right on the order. I'm fine with the order.

Much better.

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Now I go silent.

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Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

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Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

I said my target yesterday.

If I state whether or not I have a result it tells others what to claim or not claim.

The order exists for a reason.

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Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

I said my target yesterday.

If I state whether or not I have a result it tells others what to claim or not claim.

The order exists for a reason.

Everyone else's actions were already locked. This is likely a stall manuever to see what others claim first. I can't force it but I think you're scummy here. My action is already locked. It's not like my result will change and I'm the one you allegedly had a problem with and I couldn't have visited Maria.

What does Maria have to do with any of this?

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Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

I said my target yesterday.

If I state whether or not I have a result it tells others what to claim or not claim.

The order exists for a reason.

Everyone else's actions were already locked. This is likely a stall manuever to see what others claim first. I can't force it but I think you're scummy here. My action is already locked. It's not like my result will change and I'm the one you allegedly had a problem with and I couldn't have visited Maria.

What does Maria have to do with any of this?

We were clearing or confirming her yesterday, no?

Marci. Not Maria.

I did visit Marci. A result or not I won’t specify.

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Ok scum. Can't force you until what you claim is your turn. Even though it's now.

It’s literally not.

You just okayed it.

It’s everyone else
Me
You
Enchant

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I will keep silent except to answer Titus’s question if Enchant says so.

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Now my turn.

I have 1 Action invest (other than myself) arriving at my spot.
Therefore Marci is probably town barring a NM roleblock.

Enough to where she’s lock atm.

Sus is on Johnny’s slot and makes sense with wanting to backup Pooky.

Now it’s Titus’s turn. What is Enchant?

I suspect Enchant visited Marci (otherwise a scum invest visited Marci which is weird).

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Now my turn.

I have 1 Action invest (other than myself) arriving at my spot.
Therefore Marci is probably town barring a NM roleblock.

Enough to where she’s lock atm.

Sus is on Johnny’s slot and makes sense with wanting to backup Pooky.

Now it’s Titus’s turn. What is Enchant?

I suspect Enchant visited Marci (otherwise a scum invest visited Marci which is weird).

Enchant is a night 3 voyeur. I suspected he went and voyeured NM and got you didn't show, which is why I wanted to peg you down before Johnny claimed.

Well if he says that he’s an idiot as he gets elimmed tomorrow then you after him so unlikely?

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Enchant wouldn’t have a guilty as an N3 voyeur he’d only have a sus of Johnny Slot soo?

Let’s see what he says now.

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I confirm Titus and Math results.

I actioned on Marci, result was one investigative.


I didn't saw protective being on Marci, nor killing action. I thought Johhnny was fake.

As I said yesterday it is possible that Johnny (and his prior slot) is truthtelling.

I don’t find it likely but it’s not a hard guilty much as mech spec to me says it is.

Mainly we have confirmed unlimited disloyal vig
Assuming Marci town even night doctor to save disloyal vig every other night.

I am having a hard time believing all the VT/Johnny’s claims accurate

And Titus that’s not something I can do while working

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Mainly it’s a matter of what would balance against this here.

I am not tempted for anyone

My GUT says Titus because she didn’t like the confirmation chain with NM that killed Pooky. But that’s not a reasoned argument. And two rolecops is fishy AF.

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okay i know you distrust that claim math, but i distrust both

I have mechanical evidence Marci is likely town. Barring an explanation of how Marci scum fools two voyeur checks not interested

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Not to mention a rolecop in Frogsterking too. I don't even think there are 3 invests in the game

More evidence Titus is scum then.

Enchant and I confirm each other as invests.

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Quite possible. I like time to think here.

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Alright, is anyone actually 100% confirmed? I gotta start solving for my life it seems

Marci is 95% confirmed. The only way Marci can be scum is if NM was roleblocked N3.

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To be clear I find that Marci scum is unlikely but not impossible if Marci odd night RB even night combined tracker doc

I don’t believe that I just find it possible

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To be clear I find that Marci scum is unlikely but not impossible if Marci odd night RB even night combined tracker doc

I don’t believe that I just find it possible

This is correct.

Cape+Luke is near certain.

Johnny is likely a flubbed the claim scenario and thus must be eliminated before elo.

I’d rather take my time.

Work backwards from we know scum had a two shot follower.
Then figure out what else they have.
Because if the roles have to be divvied up in a certain manner (ie between two current scum)
Then VT checks are likely innos.

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I’m pretty sure that’s where I will end up

It’s more trying to find the protective there.

Mainly I think scum need some way to mess with this confirmation chain I built D1 (granted I was an idiot readwose) but mechanically I wasn’t.

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I’m pretty sure that’s where I will end up

It’s more trying to find the protective there.

Mainly I think scum need some way to mess with this confirmation chain I built D1 (granted I was an idiot readwose) but mechanically I wasn’t.

Shoot you? Any protective gets eliminated....Refusal to coordinate, lots of odd man out lims (furtiveglance, enchant, bodyguard claim).

VTs are not innos. Go back to basics and vca please if you're town.

I am going back to basics.

It’s proven my ability to do reads sucks.

However my ability to get scum dead through mechanics is not.

I want to focus on what I am demonstratably good at.

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Titus is trying to kill more VT claims LMFAO. Titus not wanting to kill in the 3 power role counter claims is very telling they want to milk VT deaths as much as possible, which by default probably means Luke is town if Titus is wolf.

About Enchant, they hammered the vote on Malcolm over 2 days in advance. Town love playing anti-town so my money is on Enchant just being town for that reason, but theoretically, sounds like a silly reason to clear someone.

I am working through some of that.

I think the only way Enchant is scum is with Titus.
Enchant is verified invest only which matches what Titus claims.

So I think Enchant and Marci are pretty much lock town atp. At minimum Enchant is a not an elim candidate.

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If you think I am scum after Pooky's flip, I'd love to hear why. Go back and read Day 2 and tell me that I push Pooky scum before it's popular after sheeping him all of day 1, and then vehemently fight Mathblade over it when Math didn't want to flip Pooky.

<< As proven this dude = idiot d1
Also claims crow eater but that doesn’t show up on a role card for some reason
*gobble gobble*

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Premise 0: 9 players alive, schadd post.
Premise 0a: I am town (for those of you not me this can be premise 1a)
Premise 1b: Marci was not visited by Not Mafia. This makes Marci likely town.
— Exception: Not Mafia was blocked by an odd night RBer or Marci has some weird normal role I can’t think of. Odds 5%. Mech confidence 95% Marci town.
Premise 1c: Enchant visited Marci. No one counter claimed so if Enchant did not visit scum then a scum buddy visited Marci which would be odd. Not seeing benefit unless looking to deep wolf. 98% Enchant town

Conclusion: Townblock Enchant, Marci, Me.

Premise 0d: 4 scum existed in game with Datisi and 16 players. 4 scum is usually a reasonable assumption.
Assumption 1: There are 3 (or more) scum alive.
Conclusion from prior information: There is a 50% chance (or more) of scum in Titus, Johnny, Luke, Cape, Toog, Maria (In no particular order)

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Math, you should confirm whether or not you got a result.

I agreed to enchant’s plan. I will wait until others have claimed.

Enchant's claim details you outing your result after everyone claims. It doesn't state whether you claim you got one. You should as it would limit fake claiming no?

I said my target yesterday.

If I state whether or not I have a result it tells others what to claim or not claim.

The order exists for a reason.

Everyone else's actions were already locked. This is likely a stall manuever to see what others claim first. I can't force it but I think you're scummy here. My action is already locked. It's not like my result will change and I'm the one you allegedly had a problem with and I couldn't have visited Maria.

Suspicion: Titus was scared of a guilty on Maria. Seemed a bit of subconscious.
Prior suspicion: Titus was not a rolecop.
Fear: Titus put together about Enchant having a double and used my result to guess n3 voyeur on Enchant and Maria did the kill.

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afteer my.last game.i guess i don't have that same drive after falling flat for getting pushed.
kinda out of this game so imma claim im.loyal bg, if theres a vig this can combo nicely.
I can create a clear potentially and yeah.

I'd like to get STD and i can BG pooky tonight

Premise: BCG/Johnny threatened to protect Pooky.
Hypothesis mixed with thread conjecture: BCG is DkKoba.
Meta belief: DkKoba is a strong Unity + gambit player.

Premise 2: Maria and BCG were on Pooky wagon early.
Premise 3: Titus was counter wagon to Pooky.

Fear: Scum were bussing low PR Pooky designed to get Titus credit.
Supporting fact: Frogster was killed being a rolecop. Titus claimed limited shot rolecop meaning that Frogster was a threat to scum. But for some reason Titus was not?

EoD 3 wagon:
MalcolmTucker (6): MariaR, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, Cape90, marcistar, Enchant
Lukewarm (3): MalcolmTucker, Titus, Toogeloo
Enchant (1): JohnnyFarrar
marcistar (1): MathBlade

Unless the team is exactly Johnny Toog Titus there is a scum (or more) on Malcolm.

Odd Titus was not on Malcolm.

Not Mafia, Marci, and Enchant likely town from prior premises.

Maria R, Luke, or Cape90 likely contains a scum.

Based on this, probably 1 goon and 2 PR power roles alive.

This I think is damning for BCG/Johnny and Titus.

I think the main issue is if Johnny is town then scum didn’t fear a rolecop after Frogger died.

I think Titus has to be scum regardless of Johnny’s alignment but Johnny town points to it more.

Tldr I am pretty sure looking at VCs and old players of Johnny and Titus.

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However, I am unsure of the vanillas here which could be goon.

I also find Titus’s check of Enchant incredibly sus when it was vocalized in thread we wondered how many shots Johnny is.

My suspicion is that Johnny lied and Titus couldn’t also lie unless they both endgamed.

I suspect she doesn’t think they end game.

So her strategy is to push back on the obvious that Johnny is scum here hoping to buy a day.

My

guess

is Titus slipped due to exhaustion but that could be wine.

The riskier play strategically is Titus but I feel more sure of her scum based on scum killing NM.
The smarter play strategically is Johnny who likely is scum protection from the vig for other roles and a fake inno to the town rolecop.
Maria is the extremely risky play here who might have been slipped by Titus

Gun to my head that’s my solve.

It’s critical role night so not much else tonight from me.

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About Enchant, they hammered the vote on Malcolm over 2 days in advance. Town love playing anti-town so my money is on Enchant just being town for that reason, but theoretically, sounds like a silly reason to clear someone.

Have you ever played with Enchant before? He hammers almost every wagon that hits e-1, I have seen him describe himself as "like not_mafia" lol

So, hammers from him are pretty nai

That being said, I feel like the way he used his PR and took charge at start of day to confirm his, maths, and titus's roles looked pretty town motivated, so :shrug:

Technically Titus’s isn’t * See above case where she could have slipped.

Enchant is confirmed invest and confirmed me invest

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Suspicion: Titus was scared of a guilty on Maria. Seemed a bit of subconscious.
Prior suspicion: Titus was not a rolecop.
Fear: Titus put together about Enchant having a double and used my result to guess n3 voyeur on Enchant and Maria did the kill.

It feels unlikely that Titus just guessed Night 3 Vouyer, when all she would have had to go on was him claiming to be a duplicate invest and having a guilty at start of day -- especially since Vouyer is less likely to ever find a guilty then tracker, so that would seem like the more likely guess, or at least a valid guess -- making guessing at all pretty risky.

After getting Enchant right, I feel like Titus is most likely a rolecop, regardless of her alignment

Fair enough. I can see that.

I just find her saying Maria really pinging me. It sticks out. Hence Maria is my wild card.

Titus and Johnny are much more likely.

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Like to me, Titus not checking Johnny to me is a scum claim.

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I’d go with either of these two imho but want to see what others think.

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I want to get this off my chest real quick.

Last minute Hero solve (don't take seriously, "yet"): Johnny, Maria, Titus.

Titus is my big paranoia read. Scum Rolecop is completely plausible.

Running theory is that Johnny is being cut loose by the scum team. Titus is lining up the eliminations afterwards to carry the scum to the end.

I'm not discounting the possibility that Luke might be aligned with Johnny, but something just seems fishy to me all of a sudden.

Not sure if it is hero or not or what you mean by that.

I agree on Titus and Johnny.
Maria makes sense as a gut read but I probably will be dead by the time it matters. Gth I agree but I would rather leave the third to better social players

The way I figure scum Titus has to act is
Scum kill Marci tonight
Scum kill me tomorrow night.

I don’t expect a conf town doc to last esp even night one. Well okay 95% conf but I won’t do the disclaimer anymore.

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I bet there’s probably something I should see in the bold but unless it smacks me with a 2 by four it’s probably gonna be missed atm

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VOTE: Johnny

Let’s go!