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Meow wow I caught page 1!

VOTE: ballpointpen for breaking in my backpack and spilling ink over my physics textbook.

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I actually don't know/don't remember much of this list.

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First game in nearly 10 years. The meta's still to random vote at the start of day 1 I assume?

It's basically a site tradition at this point, other sites use other methods of kickstarting the game.

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you probably had one of those sad little papermate things
search up Pilot Frixion™ pens and you wont regret it

Yeah I looked into higher-quality pens instead of the cheap stuff after that lmao.

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some people don't do rvs

^

Those people generally don't do RVS regardless of alignment.

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I don't think it's really scummy.

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fos cephrir

igmeoy cephrir

What is igmeoy?

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FOS is a good tool tbh, who cares if it's out of style or not.

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igmeoy is an old term used in place of FOS, usually to mean even less intense of a scumread than an FOS would indicate.

Ah that's why I never saw it.

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UNVOTE:

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I'll sheep the CKD case.

VOTE: CKD

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Hi FL.

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I'll sheep the CKD case.

VOTE: CKD

do you have any other thoughts about the game so far

Pretty sure you and Bub are both town.

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Though my read on you is... tenuous af and is basically null.

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I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.

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I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.

Well you should. They literally slipped and called me town which is impossible for any town player to know on D1. Its not, however, impossible for scum to know on D1.

????

Do you not know that "X is town" is basically just a way to say "I have a strong TR on X"?

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I'll sheep the CKD case.

VOTE: CKD

do you have any other thoughts about the game so far

Pretty sure you and Bub are both town.

Though my read on you is... tenuous af and is basically null.

How do you go from “pretty sure” to “tenuous”? In the span of 2 posts?

I reskimmed since then and now I'm not really feeling it.

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I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.

Well you should. They literally slipped and called me town which is impossible for any town player to know on D1. Its not, however, impossible for scum to know on D1.

????

Do you not know that "X is town" is basically just a way to say "I have a strong TR on X"?

Yeah it wasn't said like that at all. Post 48 - "Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really.

It is a common mistake for town

to assume that every post has intention."

That was in response to my 44. "I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret."

They did not just simply say "Kowah is town" they responded and said what I said "is a common mistake for town" that's not a town read. That's not a guess. That was an attempt to discredit my opinion on the game followed by a them blatantly mentioning what my alignment is. This does not come from a town POV.

Also, why don't you actually read the game before you come in here and discredit what I've been doing? What gives you the confidence to come in here, tell me you don't like my push on Greeting, and then openly prove you haven't even looked at it?

I did read it.

I thought it implied a townread. Nice misrep of me mate.

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I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.

Well you should. They literally slipped and called me town which is impossible for any town player to know on D1. Its not, however, impossible for scum to know on D1.

????

Do you not know that "X is town" is basically just a way to say "I have a strong TR on X"?

Yeah it wasn't said like that at all. Post 48 - "Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really.

It is a common mistake for town

to assume that every post has intention."

That was in response to my 44. "I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret."

They did not just simply say "Kowah is town" they responded and said what I said "is a common mistake for town" that's not a town read. That's not a guess. That was an attempt to discredit my opinion on the game followed by a them blatantly mentioning what my alignment is. This does not come from a town POV.

Also, why don't you actually read the game before you come in here and discredit what I've been doing? What gives you the confidence to come in here, tell me you don't like my push on Greeting, and then openly prove you haven't even looked at it?

I think you've completely misinterpreted what Greeting said from reading it over again. Greeting was making a general comment that town will sometimes read too much into things, especially early game, and applying that logic to a scenario where you are town. If that were some unlikely possibility I'd understand the suspicion but in any given game of mafia most of us are town, it's not a stretch for Greeting to operate on the assumption you are early doors if they don't have a scumread on you as such.

I think you're town for this line of thinking though, I don't feel it's a strong reason for suspecting Greeting and I suspect scum would be a bit more aware of that and perhaps back off.

^

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But the post does seem more like a pissed townie than flustered scum.

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why werent you curious WHY KT didnt like the Greetings push?

I don't have a problem with anyone's opinion on the game. They're condescending "???" part of their next post made me angry with them. Couple that with the fact they're obviously not reading the game and in that post they obviously guessed at what I said instead of actually reading it, lead to me being more on the attack instead of caring as much about what they think. It seems to me from this they're less interested in working with me and more interested in making me feel stupid. So I was no longer interested in their why.

lmao nice job on ignoring my response. You're the one making yourself look stupid.

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I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.

Well you should. They literally slipped and called me town which is impossible for any town player to know on D1. Its not, however, impossible for scum to know on D1.

????

Do you not know that "X is town" is basically just a way to say "I have a strong TR on X"?

Yeah it wasn't said like that at all. Post 48 - "Both town and mafia can make contentless posts for no reason or for whatever reason really.

It is a common mistake for town

to assume that every post has intention."

That was in response to my 44. "I feel like everything is alignment indicative. Every post is made with intentions. Its not up to the poster to express this, but up to the player-base to interpret."

They did not just simply say "Kowah is town" they responded and said what I said "is a common mistake for town" that's not a town read. That's not a guess. That was an attempt to discredit my opinion on the game followed by a them blatantly mentioning what my alignment is. This does not come from a town POV.

Also, why don't you actually read the game before you come in here and discredit what I've been doing? What gives you the confidence to come in here, tell me you don't like my push on Greeting, and then openly prove you haven't even looked at it?

I did read it.

I thought it implied a townread. Nice misrep of me mate.

Really? You thought Greetings said "Kowah is town" and my immediate reaction to it was the reaction I had? Greeting didn't even type my name in the post. You come in and act like I missed something by saying "Do you not know that "X is town"..." which isn't even CLOSE to what Greeting said.

I didn't think Greeting said that.

I thought "X is a town mistake" when talking about player Y or similar things imply that they think Y is town.

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Still think it's CKD. The case makes sense and they're doing a poor job defending themself.

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kitty why are you more active here than in the game we just finished together where you were town?

Because I feel more engaged with this game than that game. Engagement is NAI for me.

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Sometimes I deflate as town, sometimes I deflate as scum. Or hyperpost as either.

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Still think it's CKD. The case makes sense and they're doing a poor job defending themself.

whats that case again?

AHH, I accidentally double posted!

curiouskarmadog

This is who I think is most scummy at the moment.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Why? None of their posts have seriously moved towards scumhunting. In fact, to the extent that they've expressed theories on how to scumhunt, they've done the opposite -- or even worse -- not followed through on what they promised/gave the illusion of doing. First:

It begins

Hello everyone

So right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.

I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao


Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.

Also going to put a

finger of suspicion on Kawaii

for similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.

Im sold.

However, Im going to

vote Kawaii

I hate finger of suspicions...its like getting credit for a vote without having to do anything. If Kawaii flips scum, this looks sketchy.

consider this my

finger of suspicion (any hypocrisy) on Bub

Earlier I asked why Kawaii and not Hsu? If they believed me, why not vote for Hsu? Sure it's early and essentially a random vote, but I asked for explanation directly in post #39 and got crickets. Like, the whole idea of starting a flimsy wagon at the beginning was to generate some conversation about what scummy behavior is...but there's no effort to actually discuss that behavior.

Second...

I vote Kowahbunga for town leader.

(attempt to make friends)

then

(tells some jokes)

fun. clearly cant be scum

there should be a sarcasm font.

Making some vague allusions to the idea that Andate is scummy with no follow-up or serious pursuit. Just trying to sow generally mistrust on people in low-cost ways is scummy. This makes me think Andate is town -- conditional on curiouskarmakitty being scum -- because this is way too weak to be a bus. Also, curiouskarmakitty themselves said that fingers of suspician are cheap because it's a way to get credit for suspecting folks without doing the work...but here they are doing something very similar. I know they were intentionally hypocritcal earlier for a laugh (I don't read that as scummy) but this seems actually hypocritcal in a way that would be beneficial for scum.

also lets get this wagon started...

more votes on me please, lets get an early wagon started for giggles and see what happens.

this Day 1 fluff business is done. The true hunting of scum happens on the wagons!!!!

The wagon's already going my friend. Maybe try actually scumhunting instead of saying that you're going to do it.

I'm happy with my vote.

When I see a case that i think makes sense I usually just sheep it.

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Hu Tao's ISO is full of a lot of questions and probing but a little lacking in actually making a point anywhere besides saying they're suspicious of curious for the simple reason that curious didn't follow up their suspicion with a vote. HT has maintained that as their primary tunnel so far and is still on that train.

KT's ISO has very little actually contributing and seems like he's just coasting without rocking the boat much.

Andante ISO opens with silliness and joking around. She gets wagoned and then is like, "tf? why?" but is pretty adament in defending herself. Gives me vibes of town getting scumread and being pissed and annoyed about it; scum wouldn't be so defensive imo. Andante can be town for now.

Kawaii ISO meta hunting Andante right off the bat, I appreciate that. The whole ISO gives me soft townie vibes and I'm good with looking elsewhere for now.

Andante, Kawaii, ballpoint, and Bub are in my townie basket.

Hu Tao and Kitty are in my scummy basket.

VOTE: Hu Tao
Let's move the wagon here and see what happens

I'm not rocking the boat too much because I'm content with where the game is going rn. I think CKD is scum.

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what even happened to NJAC btw
the lowposters in this game are indifferent at best and frustratingly weird at worst
absolute mafia hell

Yeah it's what putting me off the game a bit. Also NJAC was more active last time we played.

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Softclaiming a vague power-role is absolutely the scummiest possible reaction to building pressure.

At this point I'm locked in on the CKD wagon.

Agreed. I think Glitch's reaction to it was VERY strange though. Do you agree? He quickly tried to town cast him and go after people on the wagon. While il not sure if that makes curious town or scum still I think Glitch's reaction was worse

What? That's def scummy. Either defending a scumbuddy or defending a townie for town points.

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Kawaii, why are you still voting a PR claim?

Something I always find weird is treating PR claims as sacred. Especially soft ones, when the role has been said to be useless. Scum's gonna claim PR most of the time.

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yall are so much fun to talk to, let me say... like, if you wanna talk about the weather I'd be down.. like, anyone wanna talk to meeeee???

I'm down for talking.

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I seriously only see the same 5 voices talking.. this game is not going to work if it's 5 of us versus 12 lurkers.. like sorry, but just.. if we think about that math for 1 second... I don't even care if you only have 1 read on 1 person right now, like, who is your BEST GUESS for scum? like, I don't care if that answer is me. I would LOVE to start hearing voices. like, if you ignore the wagons, could have all of us sheep you, who would you full send this on?
I WANNA HEAR YALL OUT!!!!

plz

Kowah is pretty scummy imo.

But it's actually even harder than usual for me to read the game when more than half of players just don't exist.

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So I am demoralized too.

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And Glitch also scummy.

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VOTE: Glitch

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I seriously only see the same 5 voices talking.. this game is not going to work if it's 5 of us versus 12 lurkers.. like sorry, but just.. if we think about that math for 1 second... I don't even care if you only have 1 read on 1 person right now, like, who is your BEST GUESS for scum? like, I don't care if that answer is me. I would LOVE to start hearing voices. like, if you ignore the wagons, could have all of us sheep you, who would you full send this on?
I WANNA HEAR YALL OUT!!!!

plz

Kowah is pretty scummy imo.

But it's actually even harder than usual for me to read the game when more than half of players just don't exist.

this “end day before useless fluff” post is kinda like… feels like this standard textbook thing to say… like, this game has no one posting, just yesterday I went from a no poster to active, so like.. hmm I’m interested in your kowah sr reasons!!

and yeah I fully agree with you on that one

I don't like Kowah's Greeting push. It just feels very bad faith to twist Greeting's wording like that.

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I seriously only see the same 5 voices talking.. this game is not going to work if it's 5 of us versus 12 lurkers.. like sorry, but just.. if we think about that math for 1 second... I don't even care if you only have 1 read on 1 person right now, like, who is your BEST GUESS for scum? like, I don't care if that answer is me. I would LOVE to start hearing voices. like, if you ignore the wagons, could have all of us sheep you, who would you full send this on?
I WANNA HEAR YALL OUT!!!!

plz

Kowah is pretty scummy imo.

But it's actually even harder than usual for me to read the game when more than half of players just don't exist.

this “end day before useless fluff” post is kinda like… feels like this standard textbook thing to say… like, this game has no one posting, just yesterday I went from a no poster to active, so like.. hmm I’m interested in your kowah sr reasons!!

and yeah I fully agree with you on that one

I don't like Kowah's Greeting push. It just feels very bad faith to twist Greeting's wording like that.

Bro no way it's so obvious kowah really believes that.

Not obvious to me.

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I seriously only see the same 5 voices talking.. this game is not going to work if it's 5 of us versus 12 lurkers.. like sorry, but just.. if we think about that math for 1 second... I don't even care if you only have 1 read on 1 person right now, like, who is your BEST GUESS for scum? like, I don't care if that answer is me. I would LOVE to start hearing voices. like, if you ignore the wagons, could have all of us sheep you, who would you full send this on?
I WANNA HEAR YALL OUT!!!!

plz

Kowah is pretty scummy imo.

But it's actually even harder than usual for me to read the game when more than half of players just don't exist.

this “end day before useless fluff” post is kinda like… feels like this standard textbook thing to say… like, this game has no one posting, just yesterday I went from a no poster to active, so like.. hmm I’m interested in your kowah sr reasons!!

and yeah I fully agree with you on that one

I don't like Kowah's Greeting push. It just feels very bad faith to twist Greeting's wording like that.

Bro no way it's so obvious kowah really believes that.

Yep I agree, the case is flawed and bad but I imagine scum would be much more careful to flesh out their reasoning. Kowah is one of the towniest players in the game for me because I don't see how their approach benefits them at all as scum.

Kowah is a newer player, remember. I made similar goofs as newbscum.

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If they were a veteran sure I wouldn't think they were scum for this.

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enchant replaces glitch!

lmao Enchant you replace in all the most wonderful slots.

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YOU ALL DOOMED I REPLACED IN VIGILANTE SLOT

Are you really?

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I seriously only see the same 5 voices talking.. this game is not going to work if it's 5 of us versus 12 lurkers.. like sorry, but just.. if we think about that math for 1 second... I don't even care if you only have 1 read on 1 person right now, like, who is your BEST GUESS for scum? like, I don't care if that answer is me. I would LOVE to start hearing voices. like, if you ignore the wagons, could have all of us sheep you, who would you full send this on?
I WANNA HEAR YALL OUT!!!!

plz

Kowah is pretty scummy imo.

But it's actually even harder than usual for me to read the game when more than half of players just don't exist.

this “end day before useless fluff” post is kinda like… feels like this standard textbook thing to say… like, this game has no one posting, just yesterday I went from a no poster to active, so like.. hmm I’m interested in your kowah sr reasons!!

and yeah I fully agree with you on that one

I don't like Kowah's Greeting push. It just feels very bad faith to twist Greeting's wording like that.

Bro no way it's so obvious kowah really believes that.

Yep I agree, the case is flawed and bad but I imagine scum would be much more careful to flesh out their reasoning. Kowah is one of the towniest players in the game for me because I don't see how their approach benefits them at all as scum.

Kowah is a newer player, remember. I made similar goofs as newbscum.

I've been playing Mafia since 2008. How are you so sure I'm wrong about my read on Greeting? How do you know it's a goof? Can I not be right that Greeting is scum?

1. Well sorry I looked at your join date.
2. I'm not so sure, I just think it's poorly thought out and posited in a weird nitpicky way. In general I'm skeptical about wording "slips" especially day 1.

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Greeting can be scum but is imo more likely town.

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I had a personal incident yesterday and couldn't talk much, I'm sorry!

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Greeting can be scum but is imo more likely town.

User discovers what the game of mafia is

That was a way of saying "I don't scumread Greeting" ya doofus.

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Oh look NJAC woke up.

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Feel like this day has been kind of a mess frankly.

The suspicion on Andate is making me consider iso-ing them. I wonder if I've ignored them because I read CKD as scum largely because of his suspicious push for Andate making that seem like scum/town interaction.

Still really feel like limming Hu is the play here. Most likely to be scum among current wagons.

Any day where half the town is asleep can well be called a mess.

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Enchant has failed to change my opinion on Glitch tbh.

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is spamming your thoughts as one sentence posts the meta now or something

zzzzz

I feel attacked.

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@everyone please share your reads on Cephrir and Greeting.

Ceph solidly town on play, Greeting ehhhh probably town on vibes.

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All these zoomers out here treating this like a Discord.

Yeah i admit it my formative years online were spent on Discord.

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This current game is slow-motion Town Of Salem anyways.

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do we have time to pressure some content out of kittytacky

i don't really understand why the njac wagon still exists tbh

sure i guess there's a small chance his scumbuddies were like "hey you need to pretend to be really sure of something to get out of this" but i don't think that's the most likely explanation

Ask me anything then, no need to pressure me I am disengaged because people rarely talk to me so I feel I am on reserve player's bench.

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Ketchup done.

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@everyone please share your reads on Cephrir and Greeting.

Ceph solidly town on play, Greeting ehhhh probably town on vibes.

Tell me more about the vibe on Greeting. What in particular makes you think they are town?

I looked over their posts and kinda spun them around in my head. I don't see the scum motivation there.

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Greeting can be scum but is imo more likely town.

User discovers what the game of mafia is

That was a way of saying "I don't scumread Greeting" ya doofus.

It's called a joke

It looked like shade.
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I am Medium

And I am Large.

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I will probably be awake before the day ends assuming people hammer last-minute (I will wake up in 9 hours or so).

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But if you hammer soon I will sleep through the day end. Good nyaight.

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Шэь рукую

Нуфр Утсрфте шы ысгью

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...fuck.

I'm here.

Yeah Enchant is scum. Because Glitch was scum and he did nothing to redeem that slot. idk why the wagon dissolved.

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Шэь рукую

Нуфр Утсрфте шы ысгью

@

MOD

: This shouldn't be allowed, please take action.

It's a keyboard layout mistake ya doofus. Notice the amount of letters and the юs where the .s would be.

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If I get punished for making essentially a typo, istg.

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Шэь рукую

Нуфр Утсрфте шы ысгью

@

MOD

: This shouldn't be allowed, please take action.

It's a keyboard layout mistake ya doofus. Notice the amount of letters and the юs where the .s would be.

And if you're that paranoid, run it through GT, it's gibberish.

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ikr, kind of a weird tangent/attempt to get a rise out of me.

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I don't see Ceph scum tbh.

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The whole case against skygazer boils down to them being a massive lurker. I get it, and it's not an unreasonable vote, but I don't think they're especially likely to be scum.

^^^^ half the game lurks or so it seems.

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i guess that the deadline can be (expired on 2023-04-09 13:52:00)

Can we please not need this entire time?

ikr this day is dragging and I am gradually just losing interest a bit.

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At least it's not a 100 pages D1 like that one time.

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I feel some of our players will start dying of old age before this day ends.

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@Malcolm, Kitty, Sky, Flavor, curious: you should pick one of the biggest wagons at this point.

I'm kind of tapped out because I'm tired of this day. I still think Glitch/Enchant is scum.

VOTE: Skygazer

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This is flipping town though

Why are you voting it if you're townreading it?

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GG WP everyone! That was a lucky hang on me D1 tbh. Was so sudden, I slept through it and didn't have a chance to defend myself.