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JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:55 pm

I love how Temp is this game, it's such a cog in the wrench and even though it's frustrating from a scum-hunting perspective, it's very fun to play with

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:56 pm

In post 761, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 757, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 754, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 749, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 739, Flavor Leaf wrote: Jackson, you’re so dying tonight.

You’re too townie, and you weaken my placing in this game.

I think protective should be on Jackson tonight.

Don’t comment on the protective should or shouldn’t be on you, let’s let it WIFOM breathe.
Also FL. Just as I asked Furtive, what makes me "too townie". I refuse to be pocketed easy
It’s just the way we’re working together feels like actual solving and in a similar position of not knowing really anything, and i don’t feel you’re faking it.

And I’ve played with you a few times before, so it’s not like I’m not aware of your playstyle.

Like i don’t feel like you’re pocketing me in addition to agreeing with most of the things being said.
And how are you sure it isn't me as blue maf (for example) trying to just find red mafia with you.
I’m not 100% by any means, but if youre maf then i still think youd be down to find scum with me on the other team, and your vicinity towards me makes you a decent night kill target, so as scum, it doesn’t really make sense, i don’t think youd pair up like this.

It’s possible you didn’t think of that, but it’s for sure plenty enough reason to stick around day 1.

Not me panicking in blue maf chat that I didn't realise it was multiball before unleashing the best scum skills MS has ever seen

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:56 pm

Also I have a hard-on for blue maf chat cuz it's the new colour for maf and I'm quirky like that

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:58 pm

In post 763, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 760, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 756, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yeah, I’d be okay with Bianco. I had a few town pings before, but not enough to defend.

@TL - that’s in your 3, you down?
still would rather not place my vote purely for pressure when I'd want bianco to post as well
JV already said, it’s never purely for pressure.

Your votes just kind of wasted on Furt right now.

Yeah, your vote is better where it's useful. Being a rogue vote on somebody does nothing and just wastes our utility

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:00 pm

Spoiler:

Not sure I see what you're seeing at all but if y'all are piling on them, it's not like I TR the slot and they need to do more so I can join. I'd just infinitely prefer camel or psyche as it stands

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:00 pm

In post 768, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 765, JacksonVirgo wrote: Also I have a hard-on for blue maf chat cuz it's the new colour for maf and I'm quirky like that
I feel so uncool as blue mafia, I told everyone in the PT to call me Alpha Wolf :oops:

Yeah sorry that I refused that but there can only be one alpha, brother

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:03 pm

In post 771, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 767, JacksonVirgo wrote:Yeah, your vote is better where it's useful. Being a rogue vote on somebody does nothing and just wastes our utility
but shouldn't you vote to lim always before voting to pressure?

It is voting to lim. In my eyes, it's always voting to lim. If I vote somebody, I am okay with them dying and will push them hard if needed. I never vote someone I am not okay with them dying. My vote is important and I will never weaken that, you should keep that same mindset if you care about making sure people know you mean business.

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:04 pm

If you're afraid that people may think you're moving away from SRing someone, just use your words to make sure that people know that isn't the case. Your voice and your vote are your strongest tools at the end of the day

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:05 pm

As I think the most important thing for you is to make sure that you're taken seriously, and that people know you mean business. That's what I've gotten from how you play, is that right?

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:06 pm

In post 776, TemporalLich wrote: if I'm playing seriously I'm playing
very badly

Honestly, who cares if you're playing badly. It's a silly little forum game

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:10 pm

Anyway I'm probably off for the night. I'll place my vote in the cutest way I can and then talk to y'all in the morning.

VOTE: Bianc

^ that's the cutest way cuz everything I do is cute.

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:16 pm

In post 780, Flavor Leaf wrote: I'll sheep onto that one. I like that better than Snivy.

VOTE: Bianco

I still wanna focus Camel but for now I'm willing to consolidate

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:17 pm

In post 781, TemporalLich wrote: bianco vote is starting to be more compelling but I want to see a votecount first

that being said I still scumread furtive the most

Why do you want a votecount first?

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:19 pm

In post 784, TemporalLich wrote: to avoid applying too much pressure so that bianco has no incentive to post

How would that give them less incentive to post? I believe it's you and only you that reacts this way to pressure

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:20 pm

I love how FL is all nice and I'm like "but that's a you problem".
Help

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #855 (isolation #215) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:00 am

Bianc replacing out makes me wanna go back

VOTE: camel

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #856 (isolation #216) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:02 am

Yoooo. I thought Flavia was just a spicy way to refer to FL. Whoops

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #857 (isolation #217) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:02 am

In post 850, TemporalLich wrote: okay bbmolla 100% scum slipped

idk how to read 847 any other way

VOTE: BBmolla

Can you help explain why? I am not seeing what you are

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #859 (isolation #218) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:04 am

In post 809, Klazam wrote: Temporal placing me super high on his list, from a initial scumread on me, makes me paranoid. Objectively my posts were pretty mild, but he’s taking them as super town, this along with his odd preoccupation with folding under pressure and about not looking scummy - feels very forced. Hard to judge but I’m starting to lean scum.

They've been doing similar things this entire time, not just with you. Surely you've seen FL and I discuss this at length

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #861 (isolation #219) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:06 am

In post 821, Naerys wrote: My head is spinning from the number of new pages

It's the consequence of being in a game I'm in

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #862 (isolation #220) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:08 am

In post 854, ZZZX wrote: Thirty pages... Ok it might take a bit longer than planned, I will try to not spam an entire page with notes

Spam away, I wanna get as much outta that noggin

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #863 (isolation #221) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:09 am

In post 860, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 857, JacksonVirgo wrote:Can you help explain why? I am not seeing what you are
847 reads like scum gloating about not being scumread

pedit: 1. the setup is confirmed to have daytalk
2. that just provides evidence against the post merely being a statement that Flavor Leaf doesn't scumread BBmolla

Would they not then do that in the scum PT? Not publicly

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #865 (isolation #222) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:11 am

I see. I personally only see it as banter rather than as a slip

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #869 (isolation #223) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:20 am

In post 836, shaddowez wrote:
In post 511, Random Nurse wrote: I mean, shit, I'm feeling kind of hostile myself but that doesn't mean I'm Scum.

Maybe I'm just hungry.
Have a Snickers.

------------------------------

Getting a town read on JV. It's easier for scum to vote without motivation, and they seem to be digging into people for reasons why they're voting/reading into things. I also think that TL is trying to deflect in 506

Thank you for explaining the read and not just slapping a TR on me.

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #870 (isolation #224) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:20 am

In post 868, davesaz wrote: Re 847 being a scumslip or not, I can see the possibility that's being discussed but I thought it was more likely to be an individual meta interaction.

Yeah I personally think it's NAI

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #873 (isolation #225) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:22 am

A lot of people jumped onto something I deem incredibly insignificant, I will take note of that

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #874 (isolation #226) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:23 am

In post 872, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 866, shaddowez wrote:I need to lrn2read. I'm confused by what you mean with your second point, but it makes more sense than it being a random post in thread.
Flavor Leaf scumreading BBmolla makes 847 unlikely to be a non-banter non-scumslip post

pedit: if 847 is actually banter 847 would still be slightly scummy as it seems strangely pointed at Flavor Leaf

Wdym it seems? It's literally talking about FL

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #875 (isolation #227) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:23 am

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #877 (isolation #228) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:25 am

In post 876, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 873, JacksonVirgo wrote: A lot of people jumped onto something I deem incredibly insignificant, I will take note of that
and I will take note of this associative and further push a BBmolla wagon

pedit: as in, it's directed at FL for no discernible reason

I mean, a discernible reason has been stated you just seem to want to ignore that possibility

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #882 (isolation #229) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:30 am

In post 880, Shrek wrote: 813 is actually really thoughtful from klazam. i might have been tunneled on that in retrospect

VOTE: IAVH

i dont like the immediate BBmolla wagon but i must not be seeing what everyone else is in 847

What are your thoughts on camel

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #892 (isolation #230) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:50 am

In post 889, bob3141 wrote: Im back from my vla. will start catching up today/tommorrow

Enjoy

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #897 (isolation #231) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:55 am

In post 893, BBmolla wrote:
In post 844, Merlyn wrote: 22 pages overnight??? y'all are crazy I'm not reading any of that
legitimately don't, it's noise until retroactive reread.

we just need to eliminate the hardest to read person and go to night, like I said.

Who would you call the hardest to read person?

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #899 (isolation #232) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:58 am

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #900 (isolation #233) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:58 am

Yum yum pagetop in my tum tum

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #917 (isolation #234) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:15 am

In post 910, ZZZX wrote: Page 13, I give up on reading the moment I saw 1 more page pop in

I will iso one player or two now (except the big 3 with 5000 posts)

who should I iso first? Taking suggestions

ISO me :lol:

JacksonVirgo · Post Post #918 (isolation #235) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:15 am

Oh no, emoticon failure. I am shame

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:21 am

Why is Shrek ever a wagon here

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:21 am

I leave for a moment and y'all are already going after the wrong threads, smh.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am

In post 923, furtiveglance wrote: I like that iavh post, and I also think Shrek is sus. It seems that bianco is getting replaced, so in the interest of keeping the game dynamic...

VOTE: Shrek

Why do you believe Shrek is sus?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:25 am

ZZZ and happy both voting Shrek here on P38 is an awful look. I don't even remotely understand why they're scummy and the wagon is being jumped on like there's free money on his slot

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:26 am

In post 950, Flavor Leaf wrote: im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek

I'm infinitely disappointed in you. What makes Shrek scum? They're probably one of my stronger TRs as it stands

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:27 am

In post 961, Merlyn wrote: we all always want someone to post something from the scum pt here by mistake but no one ever does. That's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing

Guys look at this foolish townie in the day chat. Thinking they will get us to accidentally post something meant for this scum PT, in the day chat. What a fool

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:29 am

I'll re-read the Flavor/ZZZ interactions again later. I'm not super in the mood to get into it rn

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:30 am

In post 1013, ZZZX wrote:
In post 1008, JacksonVirgo wrote: ZZZ and happy both voting Shrek here on P38 is an awful look. I don't even remotely understand why they're scummy and the wagon is being jumped on like there's free money on his slot
Fine, another p-edit

Did nothing in my ISO read click? Or do you disagree with my read in it?

To be fair its a light wagon since I have nothing else better to do, and its good to push for information anyway

Tbh completely skipped your ISO dives. I'll read them over later as I read over your interactions with Flavor

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:31 am

ISO diving is such an unfortunate route to go considering you'll miss all the game's context but eh it is what it is

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:32 am

In post 1019, TemporalLich wrote: both flavor leaf and ZZZX are on the Shrek wagon so I highly doubt that flavor leaf and ZZZX is TvT

I see you, and I raise you.

What does being on the Shrek wagon have to do with their alignments?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:36 am

In post 1022, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1012, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 950, Flavor Leaf wrote: im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek
I'm infinitely disappointed in you. What makes Shrek scum? They're probably one of my stronger TRs as it stands
This is rude af.

Dont fucking guilt trip me.

I have talked about my Shrek read before, and you clearly saw them towards the bottom of my last reads list, and you know that Furtive is one of my stronger town reads.

Like really? This was the time for you to say something like this to me right after I went through that with ZZZx and derp Lich derp voted?

Not interested in responding to you right now if this is how you respond to me, it isn't really my fault that you can't read that it's hyperbole as a form of banter. I see you're heated though, I haven't read hardly any of what you two have said to each other because I'm eatin' and can't be bothered. If you want my thoughts on the whole situation specifically let me know and I can prioritise that over other things

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:37 am

In post 1029, furtiveglance wrote: I feel like I've disagreed with TL so much this game that the only explanation is that they're just a very eccentric old mage rather than scum being deliberately contrarian.

Literally. They're on a whole different level of existence

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:38 am

In post 1028, TemporalLich wrote: it's unlikely that ZZZX and Flavor Leaf are co-aligned scum in my opinion

Mhm, this is good.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:40 am

In post 1032, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1030, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1022, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1012, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 950, Flavor Leaf wrote: im good with shrek wagon. They probs scum

VOTE: Shrek
I'm infinitely disappointed in you. What makes Shrek scum? They're probably one of my stronger TRs as it stands
This is rude af.

Dont fucking guilt trip me.

I have talked about my Shrek read before, and you clearly saw them towards the bottom of my last reads list, and you know that Furtive is one of my stronger town reads.

Like really? This was the time for you to say something like this to me right after I went through that with ZZZx and derp Lich derp voted?
Not interested in responding to you right now if this is how you respond to me, it isn't really my fault that you can't read that it's hyperbole as a form of banter. I see you're heated though, I haven't read hardly any of what you two have said to each other because I'm eatin' and can't be bothered. If you want my thoughts on the whole situation specifically let me know and I can prioritise that over other things
dont minimize my reads and act like they're infinitely worse than yours. I have an insanely high accuracy rate at catching scum myself.

And then you turn it like it's me? That's like no offense, but here's an offensive statement. It's an active guilt trip, even if it's hyperbole.

I thought you were one to take this type of banter, I was wrong. I won't do it again out of respect for you, but seriously drop this. If you keep this at my throat I will retaliate

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:42 am

Temp. Time and a place. He's already heated, don't make it worse. Also he's Town, simple as that

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:48 am

In post 1047, TemporalLich wrote: flavor leaf, you voting me is not going to convince me you are town this game

*sigh*

He isn't trying to convince you of anything, Brother

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:48 am

FL, is your vote on them purely out of policy?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:49 am

In post 1054, Flavor Leaf wrote: I wasn't mad at you, JV, im just a trash talker

Yeah I understand :)
I'm sorry for what I said

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:53 am

In post 1061, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1053, JacksonVirgo wrote: FL, is your vote on them purely out of policy?
More curiosity than policy. I can't say I've played with them that much, but there's something about them that's just off with almost everything they say.

It's not even necessarily how they say it or what they say, it's the when they say it.

Everytime it feels super opportunistic and moves momentum, and personally, I don't see TL Town having that pull in the game based on my limited interactions with them.

They might be playing up the noobiness a little too much.

There is definitely something off and it's incredibly difficult to both work with and gauge. I believe the opportunistic posting I've called out before, if I didn't it was definitely in my head and it's incredibly scummy to me and the only thing "saving" them is their tonal positioning really.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:54 am

In post 1069, TemporalLich wrote: the heavy self-meta is also making me scumread flavor leaf

If you're Town, I ask you to look into what confirmation bias is and try and see if what you're doing is that or if the reads are seperate

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:57 am

In post 1076, Flavor Leaf wrote: And like, their reasons for scum reading are so surface level.

There's plenty of other actual reasons they could use, but they choose the most basic ass ones.

Sometimes even shallower than surface level. Sometimes it makes no sense at all :p

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:59 am

In post 1083, Flavor Leaf wrote: One good thing came out of this exchange, though.

I'm back to lean town with Shrek like I was earlier in the game.

Glad our reads are more aligning again. I don't really want to "defend" a TR over just pushing a SR yk?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:00 am

In post 1085, Flavor Leaf wrote: Really weird for them to defend me here. They could be going for a pocketing attempt on me, and it definitely worked if so, but yeah, I don't think it is. I feel like they would have gained more as scum coming after me.

This is referring to Shrek yeah?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:01 am

Not sure I see what you explicitly see with that. If I were scum I wouldn't be pushing you with the track record of the people pushing you, feels like a really weak route to go.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:02 am

IAVH is wolf

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:06 am

In post 1095, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1091, JacksonVirgo wrote: Not sure I see what you explicitly see with that. If I were scum I wouldn't be pushing you with the track record of the people pushing you, feels like a really weak route to go.
It's an okay route, I've seen scum have success, they have teammates so it's a bit easier, but then they also have to know my strength in 1v1's.

TL doesn't know my playstyle at all really

Hm? Are we talking about different things? I'm talking about Shrek

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:08 am

In post 1100, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 1098, Flavor Leaf wrote: BBmolla gets a pass for me on Day 1. He introduced me to Mafia in real life, and took me to a MafiaScum meet in 2014, and I've been here ever since, so y'all can blame them for that :lol:

That's why he gets to do his thing with the push on me from my POV.
are you two co-aligned or something?

I'm starting to get physically hurt with your conf-bias tunnel on them

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:08 am

In post 1101, Flavor Leaf wrote: You know how many times I've been said I'm openwolfing and I just end up being town?

Almost every game.

Except when I'm scum.

When I'm scum, that's what the dead thread says, not the in-game.

Literally me lmao

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:09 am

Well, apparently not this game but I always had a saying that like. Flip your read on me and that's the right one. Fun times

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:10 am

In post 1107, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1106, JacksonVirgo wrote: Well, apparently not this game but I always had a saying that like. Flip your read on me and that's the right one. Fun times
well we'll see post game i guess if you are rolling everyone

Nah it's multiball you'll see it much sooner than post game

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:11 am

In post 1108, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1101, Flavor Leaf wrote: You know how many times I've been said I'm openwolfing and I just end up being town?

Almost every game.

Except when I'm scum.

When I'm scum, that's what the dead thread says, not the in-game.
The "Except when I'm scum." part made the whole post so much worse
that just gave le leaf a little corner to backstep into
I can be wrong but I don't want to accept that so I'm right gg

Nah, if you want to push something as scummy. Have the spine to commit, don't place a safety-helmet at the end

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:12 am

In post 1113, Flavor Leaf wrote: People are so obsessed with me this game.

I don't think it's warranted.

Scum big threatened

I don't think it's warranted either

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:22 am

In post 1122, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1113, Flavor Leaf wrote: People are so obsessed with me this game.

I don't think it's warranted.

Scum big threatened
me when two mafia championships finalists from my site team up and bulli me
Note: don't do scummy things and come back and ask "why are you so obsessed w/me uwu"
I think Jackson told me to follow up or smth so here you go
VOTE: FlavoUr Leaf

VOTE: Happy

This is wolf. They keep shifting things. First they put the safety-hat on their posts to brace themselves for possible backlash, and now they're shifting the responsibility onto

ME

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:26 am

In post 1142, Flavor Leaf wrote: I still think ZZZx is one of the scummiest this game, for what it's worth.

Their interaction towards me earlier was pretty poor.

I'll make sure to give that interaction a read like I said, just can't commit time to that rn

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:26 am

Well, not time. Effort

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:28 am

In post 1147, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1144, TemporalLich wrote: I do want IAVH to post more, and I do want an explanation for trying to defer responsibility for 1122 onto JacksonVirgo as that seems survivalistic and I was scumread for being survivalistic earlier this day phase
i feel like they use this excuse to not vote people way too much

The "I want more explanation on this first" excuse I assume?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:29 am

In post 1139, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1135, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1122, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1113, Flavor Leaf wrote: People are so obsessed with me this game.

I don't think it's warranted.

Scum big threatened
me when two mafia championships finalists from my site team up and bulli me
Note: don't do scummy things and come back and ask "why are you so obsessed w/me uwu"
I think Jackson told me to follow up or smth so here you go
VOTE: FlavoUr Leaf
VOTE: Happy

This is wolf. They keep shifting things. First they put the safety-hat on their posts to brace themselves for possible backlash, and now they're shifting the responsibility onto
ME

I townread JV
VOTE: iamveryhappy

Is the reason for following because you TR me? Or, does this post make you TR me? Or?

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:38 am

In post 1156, Flavor Leaf wrote: is this real life

Bro I feel like I'm high reading this chat

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:39 am

In post 1159, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1150, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1139, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1135, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1122, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1113, Flavor Leaf wrote: People are so obsessed with me this game.

I don't think it's warranted.

Scum big threatened
me when two mafia championships finalists from my site team up and bulli me
Note: don't do scummy things and come back and ask "why are you so obsessed w/me uwu"
I think Jackson told me to follow up or smth so here you go
VOTE: FlavoUr Leaf
VOTE: Happy

This is wolf. They keep shifting things. First they put the safety-hat on their posts to brace themselves for possible backlash, and now they're shifting the responsibility onto
ME

I townread JV
VOTE: iamveryhappy
Is the reason for following because you TR me? Or, does this post make you TR me? Or?
The first one. This post is fine in itself, but I already TRed you. Remember, you didn't like me TRing you and wanted me to explain it.

Anyway, massive game, I'd like to be in good company on a wagon (12 votes to eliminate) and iavh's post didn't strike me as town.

Oh, I don't care about you TRing me I just want reasons for it is all

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:43 am

Yeah I mentally reset bianco as well.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:44 am

I personally have way too many nulls so I'm gonna try and branch myself out a little more

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:51 am

In post 1198, Flavor Leaf wrote: JV, I just think we fade TL here and move forward.

They hold up the game a lot with time that could be on others.

It's 23 players, we can come back after some flips and night actions.

BBm on board with it, that's another vote, I'm sure others would join in.

It's just...if there was ever a time to policy, i think it's now.

Literally the only thing they have going for them is tone.

I think I die tonight so I don't really want to personally go with a policy, out of policy (hehe). I understand why TL would be a good flip, but I'd much rather we go for a scum for D1 than a policy. We might have a Vigilante that can sort them.

That being said, I won't be upset at a policy I just personally won't be pushing it idt

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:53 am

I made a table, I like tables as tables are like spreadsheets and I like spreadsheets.
This is roughly where I am. I wanna put more focus on my null-tiers as it's pretty chonker at the moment.
That's my main issue as town is that I don't really broaden myself that much.

Position	Players
Town-read	FL
Town-lean	Shrek, dave, Klazam, TL, shadow
Null-town	Ducky, Merlyn, Naerys
Null	Pisskop, Hu Tao, Kitty, STD, Flavia, bob, ZZZ, bbmolla
Null-scum
Scum-lean	Camel, Random Nurse, Psyche
Scum-read	Happy

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:55 am

The tiers are loose orders. The reads are isolated, it isn't like I have a list in my head when I'm solving people.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:55 am

"Ah I can't SR them because that puts them below Happy"
Vomit inducing

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:56 am

Just chuck em where the need to go. Focusing on a list rather than scum is just, no. No thank you. Not for me

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:58 am

Sorry, why does 1210 make you want to vote happy? It has nothing to do with happy outside of using them as an example

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:05 pm

In post 1223, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1207, JacksonVirgo wrote: I made a table, I like tables as tables are like spreadsheets and I like spreadsheets.
This is roughly where I am. I wanna put more focus on my null-tiers as it's pretty chonker at the moment.
That's my main issue as town is that I don't really broaden myself that much.

Position Players

Town-read
FL

Town-lean
Shrek, dave, Klazam, TL, shadow

Null-town
Ducky, Merlyn, Naerys

Null
Pisskop, Hu Tao, Kitty, STD, Flavia, bob, ZZZ, bbmolla

Null-scum

Scum-lean
Camel, Random Nurse, Psyche

Scum-read
Happy

I don't even exist to you?

Sorry I forgot to my scum buddies on there.
You'd be about a null-town or a town-lean at this point ngl

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:24 pm

In post 1243, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1241, camelCasedSnivy wrote: stop posting so much :sob:
ive never seen you complain about activity, tbh.

Game solve is camel/happy/tl and 3 more people. I'm a pro gamer

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:52 pm

In post 1250, pisskop wrote: 'snot pressure if you keep calling it pressure. It's just reframing the conversation and giving them an out - shutting down. It's not like TL hasnt been active.

Kinda sick of hearing the word pressure but you're right

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:11 pm

In post 1260, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think I caught TL, but I really don't have a better case than what's being presented since it's still Day 1.

That's fine, I already think they're worth going out regardless.

What's your thoughts on Psyche specifically? I can see them as a polarising player. Where they seem to be a more logical-focusing player, they are primarily doing emotional jabs and similar which I think if I am wrongly reading them as as a player that does one (logic) and throwing expectations accordingly I can see that as why I'd think they're scummy.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:14 pm

In post 1314, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1207, JacksonVirgo wrote: I made a table, I like tables as tables are like spreadsheets and I like spreadsheets.
This is roughly where I am. I wanna put more focus on my null-tiers as it's pretty chonker at the moment.
That's my main issue as town is that I don't really broaden myself that much.

Position Players

Town-read
FL

Town-lean
Shrek, dave, Klazam, TL, shadow

Null-town
Ducky, Merlyn, Naerys

Null
Pisskop, Hu Tao, Kitty, STD, Flavia, bob, ZZZ, bbmolla

Null-scum

Scum-lean
Camel, Random Nurse, Psyche

Scum-read
Happy

This helps a little.

But more importantly, is that Will Ramos as your avatar?

Fuck yeah it's Will Ramos

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:28 pm

In post 1318, Doctor Drew wrote: Recognize that hair from a mile away lol, been listening to Lorna since two vocalists ago.

Sadly I didn't find them until Into the Hellfire so I can't say I have that pleasure too.

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:29 pm

To the hellfire. Oopsies, I slipped that I'm a normie oh noooooo

JacksonVirgo · Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:30 pm

I am shame. I am metal poser

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:37 am

In post 1235, pisskop wrote: 194 from IAVH Im not sure how I read IAVH. I appreciate people's effort to look past the Flavor train, but I dont have an opinion on happy yet.

Why would you refer to a post just to say you don't know how to read them?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:38 am

In post 1241, camelCasedSnivy wrote: stop posting so much :sob:

Alternatively, you should post more

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:42 am

In post 1324, iamveryhappy wrote: I love how ppl know I'm easily pushed around and manipulable and try to build a wagon on me becayse I buckle under pressure and now I won't be able to say anything towny so I get yeeted which is good for all of the factions except for town. i mean town too, maybe. The vote is like a vig shot that just clears me.
when I die you all die
me dying is guaranteed so yeah you all die
except maybe le bulletproofs

With all due respect, I don't care for your sob story as a defense

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:42 am

In post 1330, the worst wrote: i'm pretty much back from vacation unavailability now just like, not motivated to keep on top of this game rn

current prognosis is low energy for the rest of d1, should have a pretty fresh mind to solve this game when it's a lot less noisy.

speaking of which - what have i missed since page 34

But ducky I wanna play with you T-T

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:43 am

In post 1332, furtiveglance wrote: Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz

I did see you mean tonally for the reason. Can you quote what you like/don't like (hopefully I get this drilled into you that it's a requirement soon)?
I quite like shadow all things considered and I'm not entirely sure how you see dave.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:45 am

In post 1355, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 1339, shaddowez wrote: It appears I'm on an opposing schedule from most of you, I leave for the day and come back to 20ish more pages.

In post 1271, camelCasedSnivy wrote: VOTE: the worst

this is the worst player by far
This was after T3 let us know they were V/LA in 1236. Even if you have no reads you're putting a vote where nobody else is even looking, essentially just parking for no good reason. It's not even like you're trying to get a wagon started on them since you provided no good reasoning except a pun on their name. You also vote parked on Merlyn early on for not doing anything, while not engaging.

Approximately half of your votes are fluff, and with the exception of the thin case on BBmolla none of your votes have had any semblance of logic behind them.

The random post from BB still doesn't make sense to me, but the more I think about it the less it makes sense as a slip either. Going to look at IAVH a little more before sheeping that wagon, but I'm comfortable here for now:

VOTE: camel
the pun was for fun but it had a point: the worst hadn't done much. did you have a problem with the early wagon on bianco?

VOTE: shaddowez

That didn't take you long to switch off Happy, why is that?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:46 am

In post 1370, Aisa wrote: : )
4 days 55 pages? You’ve really outdone yourselves
I’ll catch up later

I'm a pro gamer after all

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:47 am

In post 1389, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1344, Save The Dragons wrote: i dunno how i feel about IAVH

i know how i feel about ZZZX
I’m with ya on ZZZx, and I’d join with more votes there.

Iamvh, Zzzzx, Snivy are the 3 scummiest so far.

There’s probably a couple townie scum too, i could see Shadowez playing townie scum, but i like them right now

Oh you think camel is specifically wolfy now?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:06 am

In post 1398, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1394, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1332, furtiveglance wrote: Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz
I did see you mean tonally for the reason. Can you quote what you like/don't like (hopefully I get this drilled into you that it's a requirement soon)?
I quite like shadow all things considered and I'm not entirely sure how you see dave.
What's wrong with a tonal/vibe read?

Also haven't really read up much on Snivy this game, but most of the arguments I see for them as scum just seem like typical Snivy to me.

I can't reciprocate any reads based on just labelling it a tonal/vibe read

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:18 am

In post 1401, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1400, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1398, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1394, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1332, furtiveglance wrote: Here's some reads on lesser-talked about players:

Town
the worst
Merlyn
ZZZX

Null
Naerys
shaddowez

Scum
davesaz
I did see you mean tonally for the reason. Can you quote what you like/don't like (hopefully I get this drilled into you that it's a requirement soon)?
I quite like shadow all things considered and I'm not entirely sure how you see dave.
What's wrong with a tonal/vibe read?

Also haven't really read up much on Snivy this game, but most of the arguments I see for them as scum just seem like typical Snivy to me.
I can't reciprocate any reads based on just labelling it a tonal/vibe read
I probably missed something from before I repped in, but are you not trusting Furt and don't think they are acting in good faith?

I'm spinning back and forth on them a lot, I don't really trust peoples reads when I cannot follow the reasoning even if they're confirmed Town. Just can't bring myself to do it

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:18 am

Plus a few spots feels like, weirdly placed to me

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:51 am

In post 1406, iamveryhappy wrote:
In post 1392, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1324, iamveryhappy wrote: I love how ppl know I'm easily pushed around and manipulable and try to build a wagon on me becayse I buckle under pressure and now I won't be able to say anything towny so I get yeeted which is good for all of the factions except for town. i mean town too, maybe. The vote is like a vig shot that just clears me.
when I die you all die
me dying is guaranteed so yeah you all die
except maybe le bulletproofs
With all due respect, I don't care for your sob story as a defense
of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

I've wanted a vote on you since I placed my vote on you, not from this post. Don't kid yourself.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:53 am

In post 1409, furtiveglance wrote: I do agree, I can't really comprehend how you could hold a scumread on JV if you've been reading

Well, it doesn't mean they can't. It's not like I'm a revealed IC or anything but this reason is purely retaliation.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:28 am

In post 1418, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Aisa - that question mark on the town? Is an amazing recollection of the entirety of TL ISO.

Lmfao

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:28 am

In post 1417, Flavor Leaf wrote: Frankly, one thing BBm and I can agree with is don’t care too much who ya fade on Day 1, just find someone you think isn’t townie and fade them.

If they flip town, it’s really not the end of the world. 55%+ is good odds on a Day 1

That's why we should fade duckyboi

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:33 am

In post 1425, Flavor Leaf wrote: If we aren’t going Happy, I’d rather Snivy tbh tell

When did you switch from a consolidation vote on Snivy to a SR on them?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:29 pm

In post 1450, Aisa wrote: I've still been reading the game, but I got bored of thoughtstreaming my... thoughts.

In post 301, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 296, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 294, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 292, TemporalLich wrote: they are reads that aren't planned posts
I got no idea what this means, can you rephrase
they are thoughtstreamed reads that are not fake reads
How can you possibly make that judgement on those. Delve further

VOTE: Temporarl

In post 310, JacksonVirgo wrote: No,
I think you're wolf
. I don't care about pressure, you already failed at responding what I was asking you when I was giving you the light of day to explain yourself. But even if I was doing this primarily to put pressure on you, why is backing out ever the solution?

In post 368, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 367, Save The Dragons wrote: TL is town
Agreed, it's incredibly clear to me
I've read all of page 17. I'm currently wishing that someone would ask JV about the apparent contradiction here but no one's asked yet.
And on that note I'm out for the night.

It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:42 pm

In post 1458, davesaz wrote:
In post 1452, JacksonVirgo wrote: It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t
IIRC you even explained the progression, unless I'm thinking of a different one.

Mhm but checking back, I explained it like a page or two after so maybe they just haven't seen that yet

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:02 pm

In post 1460, Shrek wrote:
In post 1458, davesaz wrote:
In post 1452, JacksonVirgo wrote: It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t
IIRC you even explained the progression, unless I'm thinking of a different one.
am i the only one who reads this as a pocketing attempt rather than just neutral support? going to a widely read town like ‘well
i
think your reads are well thought out’ just reeks of fishing for approval

I read it more from the perspective of trying to make Aisa look bad if anything.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:24 pm

Yooooo someone not immediately placing me in the town bucket. Breathe of fresh air, care to explain your read on worstie?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:32 pm

I ask him specifically cuz I can't remotely see how you can have him at a similar tier as FL

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:42 pm

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:42 pm

Boop <3

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:45 pm

In post 1501, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1497, JacksonVirgo wrote: I ask him specifically cuz I can't remotely see how you can have him at a similar tier as FL
But you agree that Klazam and Random Nurse can be at the same tier?

I personally don't have anybody as high as FL. Those two I can sorta get it, but ducky I don't have a read on at all and wanna get more to read them one way or another which is why I asked ducky first.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:24 pm

In post 1506, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1503, JacksonVirgo wrote: I personally don't have anybody as high as FL. Those two I can sorta get it, but ducky I don't have a read on at all and wanna get more to read them one way or another which is why I asked ducky first.
I don't think solving for tw today is super important, so the read is more vibes

But I thought about why I townread his progression and 1465 specifically other than "vibes~" - I think TL is in a position where people who townlean him are not going to be defending him super hard, and he's also scumread by a few folks iirc. He is not particularly difficult to eliminate today

So 1465 is a fairly in-depth read that I think scum would not bother to make at this juncture. They can sit back and be more lazy. And tw closes out the post with "i just have zero interest in trying to take an accurate guess at TL's alignment anymore," which is pretty funny after clearly putting a lot of thought into the slot and also probably comes from town

I agree on that first sentiment. I can see what you mean by that, especially as (currently) low commitment TW.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:24 pm

Also can I ask why you SR me specifically

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:05 pm

In post 1531, the worst wrote: on the flipside i am threatened by jacksonvirgo pushing me because it hurts my feelings. :angry:

I'm hardly pushing you, I just don't think the TRs on you are worth their weight.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:07 pm

In post 1546, the worst wrote: staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)

i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

Not sure the point you're trying to make here

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:08 pm

In post 1560, TemporalLich wrote: snivy is scum if IAVH flips scum

Why is this?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:10 pm

In post 1614, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1546, the worst wrote: staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)

i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:11 pm

In post 1633, Hu Tao wrote: WAIT THERE ARE TWO SCUM TEAMS IN THIS......OMG This game just became so much more interesting to me.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:12 pm

In post 1652, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1651, Aisa wrote: And did you learn anything from looking at it?
Well, I didn't - just the first when I was mindmelding earlier in the game. But JV is still my biggest townread.

You really got nothing?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:13 pm

Alright did my best with what little time I have, take care y'all. On the weekend I'll do a better overlook

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 2:15 pm

I'm a little bit apprehensive about pushing CSF because of their read on me, I feel I'm a little biased against them but they seem to be from the perspective to keep people in the PoE in the way they're speaking than from scum-reading individually.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:04 pm

Nah we gotta get to page 200 before D1 is over.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:13 pm

Not even going to lie, I don't really think IAVH is wolf anymore.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:18 pm

In post 1810, the worst wrote: like i am not joking please teach me your magic. how do you have an opinion.

The timing of everything, the intent behind their posts read to me as both acting in self preservation in an unnatural way, blame shifting, hiding behind other people etc. All which I would accredit to being scummy.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:20 pm

But the reason I don't think they're wolf is that they haven't at all changed their demeanour at all, unless I'm overlooking that but I would figure being a focused kill would do at least

something

but I don't see anything.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:31 pm

In post 1813, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1812, JacksonVirgo wrote: But the reason I don't think they're wolf is that they haven't at all changed their demeanour at all, unless I'm overlooking that but I would figure being a focused kill would do at least
something
but I don't see anything.
What did you mean when you said "keep people in the PoE in the way they're speaking than from scum-reading individually."?

Just from what I'm reading from you, it somewhat appears that your intent isn't to SR people but to just keep people limmable.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:32 pm

I could be throwing my own scum-play down your throat but as I do it a lot, I'm getting the same feel from reading your posts. I'm about to head off for work but afterwards if you want I can go through and quote what I see

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:46 pm

In post 1819, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 1797, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me
Hu Tao is scumreading me for a gutread, but felt the need to qualify it by saying they can't explain it 3 times

That reads unnatural to me because gut reads are typically something that can't be explained anyway, so why feel the need to say that 3 times?
In post 1787, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 1718, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason
, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine
for some reason
. But
I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

Nice catch actually

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:47 pm

In post 1818, davesaz wrote: Page 68 (and before) I really don't like d1 attempts to team hunt, especially in MB, but I know this is not a very popular position.

Association reads without flips are a fun thing to chat about over some tea, but they're useless and anybody genuinely arguing something needs to be purged from existence

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:57 pm

@Furt are you saying Town cannot converse with someone just because they’re SRing them?

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 3:32 am

Why am I so low? Makes me cri

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:32 pm

Oh, did someone claim a vig already?

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:33 pm

Who claimed it?

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:06 pm

Is it common for someone to just be almost entirely negative throughout the entire game?

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:08 pm

In post 2177, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 2176, JacksonVirgo wrote: Is it common for someone to just be almost entirely negative throughout the entire game?

Who is this directed towards?

Psyche lol, but ig the new page made it difficult to know I was making a quip at what he last said

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 10:47 pm

In post 2203, Psyche wrote: does anyone have something against ivah beyond active lurking? with 4 days left that's maybe ok but i'm wondering

Yes.

In post 1811, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1810, the worst wrote: like i am not joking please teach me your magic. how do you have an opinion.
The timing of everything, the intent behind their posts read to me as both acting in self preservation in an unnatural way, blame shifting, hiding behind other people etc. All which I would accredit to being scummy.

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:01 pm

In post 2217, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2213, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: VOTE: zzzx

E-2 now, let's get a flip
In a bit of a rush are we? ;)

VOTE: ZZZ

E-1

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:04 pm

I voted there for the lolz. I'm staying cuz I feel this is faked bravado

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:07 pm

Guys I'm a miller fr fr

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 14, 2023 11:28 pm

UNVOTE:

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:03 am

Lol I’m so alone

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 3:49 am

In post 2262, pisskop wrote: Years of being subjected to 'your vote your voice' campaigns and you arent voting now?

What

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:13 am

In post 2275, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2240, JacksonVirgo wrote: UNVOTE:
You got on and off me really quicky, I assume its because of the actual threat to hammer that was told to be written out, interesting I suppose

Nah lowkey wanted to bait Psyche to vote so i can hammer

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:16 am

That being said

VOTE: Psyche

Working so not really super invested yet

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:31 am

The feeling that I get from TL always ending up doing what I do is icky

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:36 am

Wowzers what a way to like downgrade the read on me

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:36 am

and fl etc

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:36 am

But I like scanned roght for my name obviously

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:59 am

In post 2351, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: The little bell thing that notifies you when someone quotes your post (like PM notifications but for thread posts)

You can turn it off

I love it sfm

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:08 am

Wouldn’t a scum be inclined to claim a PR when pushed up as they were

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:13 am

In post 2407, Flavor Leaf wrote: Psyche gotta oppose both his buddies’ lims today, makes sense.

Yeah, let’s end on ZZZx, Psyche, or TL today.

IAVH/CSF kinda have partner equity, but I can see CSF being town and the duck being in that spot.

I’m against TL. I’m for Psyche. I’m neutral on ZZ

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:24 am

In post 2411, Psyche wrote:
In post 2408, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2407, Flavor Leaf wrote: Psyche gotta oppose both his buddies’ lims today, makes sense.

Yeah, let’s end on ZZZx, Psyche, or TL today.

IAVH/CSF kinda have partner equity, but I can see CSF being town and the duck being in that spot.
I’m against TL. I’m for Psyche. I’m neutral on ZZ
why neutral if you think claiming town as zzzx did is unlikely as scum?

I thought iavh claimed the vt

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:32 am

In post 2415, Psyche wrote:
In post 2413, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2411, Psyche wrote:
In post 2408, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 2407, Flavor Leaf wrote: Psyche gotta oppose both his buddies’ lims today, makes sense.

Yeah, let’s end on ZZZx, Psyche, or TL today.

IAVH/CSF kinda have partner equity, but I can see CSF being town and the duck being in that spot.
I’m against TL. I’m for Psyche. I’m neutral on ZZ
why neutral if you think claiming town as zzzx did is unlikely as scum?
I thought iavh claimed the vt
Nope. So how much does that matter for you?

Well that makes me against their elim as well

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:33 am

I already said why, but in the frame of IAVH

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:43 am

In post 2422, Aisa wrote:
In post 2421, Aisa wrote:
In post 1618, Aisa wrote:
In post 1452, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1450, Aisa wrote:[...]
In post 310, JacksonVirgo wrote: No,
I think you're wolf
. I don't care about pressure, you already failed at responding what I was asking you when I was giving you the light of day to explain yourself. But even if I was doing this primarily to put pressure on you, why is backing out ever the solution?

In post 368, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 367, Save The Dragons wrote: TL is town
Agreed, it's incredibly clear to me
I've read all of page 17. I'm currently wishing that someone would ask JV about the apparent contradiction here but no one's asked yet.
And on that note I'm out for the night.
It’s only a contradiction if Town was not allowed to progress and change their reads. But we are allowed to, so it isn’t
Yeah, I agree Town are allowed to change their reads. Which is why I said "apparent" contradiction, there can be reasons why it's not an actual contradiction.

Anyway, I've now read up to page 25 and I haven't seen you explicitly say what made you change your mind between 310 and 368. Do you remember, and, if so, care to share?

Hey JV it seems like you're around so this seems like the ideal time to do some shameless self promotion and bump my question!

(sorry I messed up the quotes in the previous one)

Oh, I posted why like 2 pages after 368 but I'll restate it just cuz your avatar is cute.

The combination both them being concerned about appearances

but at the same time

told me they misrepresented me. If they were scum who was so concerned about appearances that they just shut down over pressure to not hurt their appeared charisma/standing, telling somebody you used a manipulation tactic is crazy. They were also incredibly consistent with how they acted even when pressured by the two most vocal and (at the time) the two strongest voices in the game. Both of those were a realisation I made at the time, but didn't think was a strong idea but then after thinking a little bit and also testing the waters, I realised that yeah, they're probably just anti-town town. But anti-town town is still town. Hope this helps

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:51 am

In post 2431, TemporalLich wrote: VOTE: Psyche

blatant pocketing at this point trying to further undermine the town's confidence

pedit: real emotion is town though, so emotions are usually a townread

Woah there, be careful. Mafia aren't emotionless

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:54 am

In post 2433, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 2432, JacksonVirgo wrote:Woah there, be careful. Mafia aren't emotionless
yeah, scum aren't emotionless but honest emotion is still a towntell regardless

In my experience, it really isn't. What emotions would you consider town-telling?

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:55 am

In post 2435, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2431, TemporalLich wrote: VOTE: Psyche

blatant pocketing at this point trying to further undermine the town's confidence

pedit: real emotion is town though, so emotions are usually a townread
i disagree.

I get more genuinely emotional as scum, so while it could be more player associated, I'm actively against emotion on tell, because I have abused that as town in my older days, and it was just too easy to coast on.

Also, allowing it to happen and rewarding people for it is enabling it, and im against that as well, so when trying to convince me, I will never accept emotion as a valid defense.

Glad we're agreeing on this. time to carry on

JacksonVirgo · Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:56 am

In post 2438, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 2434, JacksonVirgo wrote:In my experience, it really isn't. What emotions would you consider town-telling?
frustration I'd consider town, but it is still easily faked

it's more that emotion indicates thought streaming which makes the mindset more obvious

Why can scum not be frustrated?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:57 am

Hey, Ima be transparent without spilling my life story as this is a game but I've gotta take care of my mum and she lives out in the middle of woop woop so I won't have much internet for a bit, if at all (service is dog water out that way). 72 hours max but really shouldn't be that long. Sorry guys, surely you understand.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:05 am

Oh, I got a guilty on Psyche btw

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:08 am

Will catch up soonish if I find time

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:13 am

In post 3044, pisskop wrote: I almost cant believe it tbh

Oh?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:14 am

In post 3046, Psyche wrote: VOTE: JacksonVirgo

This is like a get of jail free card for me. Jackson's lying. It'll be proven when I flip. Make sure you get a full claim before I go so he can't pretend he has an out when it's too late.

And you're not asking me what the guilty even is?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:18 am

In post 3057, Psyche wrote: the fuck is a soft guilty. you're already handing Jackson the out?

In the world I'm fake, why would I fake-claim this if I didn't have an out already baked in.
Why are you immediately going to me wolf, instead of asking what the guilty result actually is.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:19 am

Holy batman, batman

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:26 am

In post 3069, pisskop wrote: Jackson has been a cut above your average fakeclaimer who wants to control the game

Come again?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:27 am

In post 3075, TemporalLich wrote: I'd think a townie would deflect or inquire about the guilty, but I am leaning toward more deflecting the guilty

I'm kinda disappointed you, FL and psyche didn't question what the guilty was. Especially when I wasn't convinced enough to vote them. Pisskop is Town btw, that's clear.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:27 am

My confidence? Where you gauging my confidence from?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:37 am

In post 3085, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3079, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3075, TemporalLich wrote: I'd think a townie would deflect or inquire about the guilty, but I am leaning toward more deflecting the guilty
I'm kinda disappointed you, FL and psyche didn't question what the guilty was. Especially when I wasn't convinced enough to vote them. Pisskop is Town btw, that's clear.

I like seeing what happens.

I want you to claim, for what it's worth.

Oh right, that's worth doing now

pedit: removed the claim cuz I saw you wanted him first?
Wouldn't it better to see my role first to see if it's a hard or a soft?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:38 am

In post 3098, Flavor Leaf wrote: This is to avoid stuff like:

JV: I'm a gunsmith, Psyche has a gun!
Psyche: OH. I'm a BACKUP Gunsmith!

Shouldn't you ask me first if there was a way out like that given my role? As I know it

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:43 am

Been sitting on the claim for a reason, I'm not backing out of it but I'm curious to see what Psyche has to say

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:44 am

In post 3112, Flavor Leaf wrote: where's that DGB sig

I got no idea what this means but I remember the name

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:46 am

I am The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:47 am

As TL is in this game, that above claim was a joke

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:48 am

Same brother, same

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:48 am

Better be something good to have that sudden shift from me confscum to be town

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:56 am

I'm a JOAT*
I did not use a Gunsmith charge on you (keeping it vague with what I have left) but what I did use was a Loyal FV and he didn't claim he got one. Ironically enough, I have a Vigilante charge too so that's a hilarious coincidence if you're both a Vigilante and my check on you failed for external reasons.

I figured keeping that part (the FV) hidden and then calling out the guilty would prompt him to claim that he did in fact get targeted by one if he was hiding it but nah decided to go for my throat instead.
Obviously not gonna claim my other action/s nor how good they are or aren't.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:58 am

But you didn't think about the GS when I first claimed I checked you?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:02 am

In post 3136, Flavor Leaf wrote: i feel like that looks more like scum setting up a crumb.

I was expecting the vig shot to be claimed at BBm.

I also think Doctor Drew probably roleblocked Psyche based on one of Drew's crumbs.

So in most scenarios, JV should have gotten the fruit.

You mean Psyche should have gotten the fruit, yes?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:03 am

I see the ebwop, lmao I was like "u wot"

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:04 am

While the blocking the vig makes sense, the missing fruit doesn't. It's also a possibly a game with 2 mafias and 2 vigilantes? That feels excessive.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:05 am

Did anybody read me as PR yesterday? To warrant a scum blocking me?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:07 am

In post 3145, Psyche wrote: oh i can say who i aimed at, too, sure. it was BBM. reasons:
1) scumread the guy
2) figured it would be lame to not commit to it with my shot
3) decided that even if the flip proved town, i'd get to not fixate on the scumread through D2
4) can you imagine how delicious it would be if I was proven right? I even planned what I'd say. A reference to flavorleaf's posts about my "2012 meta".
5) even if i turned out to be wrong, i could make a really shadey post down the line referencing justifications for limming people just to move the game along, shrink the playerlist to make scumhunting possible, take out antitown slots for the health of the meta, etc. of course it would have all been cope.
6) a sixth reason

Reason 6 has me sold

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:09 am

What does Alien do again?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:11 am

In post 3144, Flavor Leaf wrote: Vig is also an easy claim as scum in Multiball, and they set the crumbs up yesterday. Like the Vig BBM one was in response to BBM vigging TL comment.

Would you think a scum would purposefully crumb vig, and not immediately out that when red-checked?
I mean the whole process of that was not really what I expect from town!psyche or scum!psyche so I guess it's NAI

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:16 am

Is that the only restriction?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:23 am

That's quite the claim for a scum to make, no?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:50 am

In post 3182, Flavor Leaf wrote: @JV - If you're fine leaving Psyche alone after the no fruit claim, I think we can keep them alive, and if we ever get a 3 kill night, they claim first.

Yeah, I'm fine with them staying alive for now. I still haven't even placed my vote on them lmao.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:51 am

FL what's your thoughts on Aisa's reaction to me outting my check?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:52 am

With my vigi shot it's a little awkward to keep Psyche alive actually. As if I get shot when I shoot. It will kinda give him power to keep going

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:55 pm

In post 3339, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3335, Psyche wrote: so like again

if the simplest possible explanation
now
is that i didnt get fruit because i'm scum, what is the simplest possible explanation when i flip and i don't? bc that's what's gonna happen. seems like you're willing to give JV a pass even then.
That proves that you were Alien'd or JV blocked, and gives us a lot of setup info.

Or similar mech, I don't believe it's limited to just that but yeah that's the gist. If all goes well and there's 3 kills it should confirm me as non-maf too but that's not super duper reliable and for future-jv to worry about

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:03 pm

In post 3404, the worst wrote: i'd be surprised if there *wasn't* a source of third kills in a game of this size and a vig just fits the bill really cleanly. i don't really know what the significance of a complex vig is but it's probably there for a reason. it becomes more valuable in a lategame where scum are hiding amongst pr claims.

I am also a Vig

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:06 pm

In post 3449, the worst wrote: outsourcing - what are the odds of drew having blocked JV

Low imo. I considered cuz how town-read I was, and I definitely slipped at having a vig cuz of my adamance on "who tf claimed vig" type of thing or whatever it was so I fear it was that that hinted I was PR but apart from that I got no idea what's happened, I did ask everyone if I appeared to be a PR to get a better idea of this but nobody responded so T-T

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:07 pm

In post 3460, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 3449, the worst wrote: outsourcing - what are the odds of drew having blocked JV
I think Drew was also townreading JV per 1411 and never talked about them after. Unlikely to have roleblocked them imo

TRing and not SRing someone are very different but ig your point lmao

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:09 pm

In post 3483, Random Nurse wrote:
I'm going to place another card on the table.

My full role is that I'm ungated Bulletproof Town, and that I am Informed that ONE of the Scumteams are Informed that I am Bulletproof, so it sounds to me that they have to work around this.

If a Cop could Cop me and then stay quiet until they need to reveal their results that'd be great. For late-game I'll be set up as confirmed Bulletproof Town.

You saying this right as you're 50% the target for the vig is quite the claim