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JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:12 pm

In post 3515, the worst wrote: there's something missing from rn's claim and i'll give a prize to whoever notices it second :eyes:

Is it that they didn't add "Informed BP Town" or whatever? Cuz bruh if thats it

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:13 pm

In post 3577, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3576, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3483, Random Nurse wrote:
I'm going to place another card on the table.

My full role is that I'm ungated Bulletproof Town, and that I am Informed that ONE of the Scumteams are Informed that I am Bulletproof, so it sounds to me that they have to work around this.

If a Cop could Cop me and then stay quiet until they need to reveal their results that'd be great. For late-game I'll be set up as confirmed Bulletproof Town.

You saying this right as you're
50% the target for the vig
is quite the claim

Where
was that before my fullclaim?

In post 3437, Psyche wrote: im ok w picking between rn/shrek though for this to work i guess it shouldn't matter if im ok with it

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:14 pm

In post 3524, Psyche wrote: im inclined to pick the person myself and leave it to yall to decide later if the choice is/was scummy

Nope. That leaves you open to claim my shot

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:14 pm

In post 3525, the worst wrote:
In post 3524, Psyche wrote: im inclined to pick the person myself and leave it to yall to decide later if the choice is/was scummy
i like this approach

I do not, it leaves him open to claim my shot

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:15 pm

In post 3532, Psyche wrote: Oh now I get it. It's because there's a chance I got a fruit but didn't claim it.

Mhm

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:17 pm

In post 3543, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3541, Shrek wrote: how is it unlikely?

In general it's more likely for actions to happen Night 1 then actions to be blocked Night 1.

Are you saying it's more likely that I am a scum that decided to 1 for 1 this early for no apparent benefit over something interfering with the action? In the world where he's Town

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:18 pm

That's like, not at all why I brought it up.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:22 pm

I'm not playing games, I'm calling you a wolf dodging the shot.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:23 pm

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:26 pm

Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:30 pm

I don't see how that matters

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:32 pm

Even if you did soft the claim earlier, you full-claimed at such a convenient time only to be like "Oh didn't see oopsies"

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:35 pm

In post 3597, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3571, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3339, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3335, Psyche wrote: so like again

if the simplest possible explanation
now
is that i didnt get fruit because i'm scum, what is the simplest possible explanation when i flip and i don't? bc that's what's gonna happen. seems like you're willing to give JV a pass even then.
That proves that you were Alien'd or JV blocked, and gives us a lot of setup info.
Or similar mech, I don't believe it's limited to just that but yeah that's the gist. If all goes well and there's 3 kills it should confirm me as non-maf too but that's not super duper reliable and for future-jv to worry about
what else can it be on a mech level

Well I'm not sure entirely you definitely omitted rolestopper

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:36 pm

In post 3598, Flavor Leaf wrote: it doesnt make sense for Scum to see PsycheTown say that vig stuff then Rolestop Psyche instead of one of themselves.

I really dont see any other mech options

We can discuss this after he flips

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:37 pm

In post 3599, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3592, JacksonVirgo wrote: Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it
bring it
.

If you are actually Town,
work with me
instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.

you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:38 pm

Oh no failed bbcode, I am shame

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:46 pm

In post 3605, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3603, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3599, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3592, JacksonVirgo wrote: Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it
bring it
.

If you are actually Town,
work with me
instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.
you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

I do see you as thrashing about because you are reacting adversely to my fullclaim and not considering that not every timing event is deliberate. Perhaps this paranoia from you is more Townish, but then again both Scum teams are Scumhunting so I can't be certain.

What I will say regrding your argument is that you are incorrect. You can continue if you want, but if you're Town (Hell, Town or not), you're not helping yourself.

Hilarious how you consider this scum-hunting if I was scum, and not pushing an agenda. Wonder why you think that.
Especially clear when given your claim, scum would be wanting to elim you to get rid of the BP. Freudian slip?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:52 pm

I think the wolves include you, hu tao and Psyche. You claiming that probably leans into you not being teamed with Psyche.
Why would I ever full-claim here? It benefits absolutely nobody, I claimed what I needed to reveal my check and counter-claim their vigi claim. That's all I needed, I don't care to strip down all my clothes and show what I got to the world. I don't really care whether or not I'm at risk for the NK. If I die, I die. Vigilante's are typically negative utility anyway so losing that is probably okay, it's not like it's the end of the world. I don't want to be locked into who I can and cannot target, nor reveal who it is in the world that Psyche is Town, there's PRs that block actions.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:55 pm

In post 3608, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3606, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3605, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3603, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3599, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3592, JacksonVirgo wrote: Really? Like do I even have to explain that one?
You've been decided to be the vigilante's shot. 50% chance is a very high chance, and then approximately 2 pages after you claim a full Bulletproof randomly and out of the blue. You don't see this as anything suspicious to the extent you have to ask me to explain myself? Really? -_-

I'm not sorry you feel paranoid over it, I wanted to fullclaim Informed BP because I wanted to, and if you want to fight over it
bring it
.

If you are actually Town,
work with me
instead of fighting and thrashing about.

Alternatively, you can stop misrepresenting me as "thrashing about" when I've only just made an argument against you.
you're[/b] the one flailing and thrashing about.

I do see you as thrashing about because you are reacting adversely to my fullclaim and not considering that not every timing event is deliberate. Perhaps this paranoia from you is more Townish, but then again both Scum teams are Scumhunting so I can't be certain.

What I will say regrding your argument is that you are incorrect. You can continue if you want, but if you're Town (Hell, Town or not), you're not helping yourself.

Hilarious how you consider this scum-hunting if I was scum, and not pushing an agenda. Wonder why you think that.
Especially clear when given your claim, scum would be wanting to elim you to get rid of the BP. Freudian slip?

I am fully aware that Scum would try to get rid of me during the Day because they understand they won't be able to kill me easily at Night.

This merely brings them to the surface.

You're missing the point, or deliberately pulling it apart. Either way.

Considering your mindset this game, and who you are as a player. I'm sure you would have realised that scum would try and get rid of you. You said so yourself in this message.
So why then would you label it as scum-hunting as opposed to an agenda. That's the wording you chose.

Scum-hunting implies you believe me to be actively searching for the scum. And from your perspective from how you play to who you are, to your claim itself, that feels like it's a pretty might discrepancy and I believe you slipped as a wolf

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:59 pm

In post 3611, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3609, JacksonVirgo wrote: I think the wolves include you, hu tao and Psyche. You claiming that probably leans into you not being teamed with Psyche.
Why would I ever full-claim here? It benefits absolutely nobody, I claimed what I needed to reveal my check and counter-claim their vigi claim. That's all I needed, I don't care to strip down all my clothes and show what I got to the world. I don't really care whether or not I'm at risk for the NK. If I die, I die. Vigilante's are typically negative utility anyway so losing that is probably okay, it's not like it's the end of the world. I don't want to be locked into who I can and cannot target, nor reveal who it is in the world that Psyche is Town, there's PRs that block actions.

All players already know you're a JOAT, so withholding valuable information from the rest of Town only benefits Scum.

The entire Town should discuss who should be the target of you Vig-shot, because we can analyze who wants who to be Vigged and question why.

1. You're wrong. Knowing what my other abilities are, if I have any, does not benefit the Town at all. And Scum knowing what I can do to gauge if I'm worth a block/shot etc is benefitting them. You're dead wrong.

2. Absolutely not, I'm not having my actions chained down when I don't need it to.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:04 am

You being this self-centered is making me want to push you harder, I'll wait for others to pop in

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:04 am

Also once again missing my point

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 3:05 am

VOTE: Psyche

Not everything is about the soft-guilty brother

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:00 am

Code: Select all

I agree with RN

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:00 am

Code: Select all

Let us all talk in code boxes now

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:01 am

Anyway I'm either opting for Psyche or RN for todays flip

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:04 am

You framing it like that feels like TMI

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:05 am

That said too I feel RN framing it the way he did felt like TMI as well. Are you both paired perchance

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:12 am

In post 3673, Naerys wrote:
In post 3668, JacksonVirgo wrote: You framing it like that feels like TMI
TMI? Can you explain that shortcut to the ignorant me?

TMI is too much information. It's a generic term, not just a mafia one.
But in the context of mafia it's to say you feel like you have more information than you should or that you let on. Aka calling you informed. Aka calling you wolf

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:13 am

In post 3671, Naerys wrote:
In post 3664, JacksonVirgo wrote: Anyway I'm either opting for Psyche or RN for todays flip
Based on mini 2309 i think RN is town. I actually like his aggresivness, it can get some interesting reactions from ppl.

What was 2309. Was he town? Do you have context on how he plays as either? Have you played enough games to know how consistent his play is? Have you played a game which allows scum-hunting wolves?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:18 am

In post 3675, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3673, Naerys wrote:
In post 3668, JacksonVirgo wrote: You framing it like that feels like TMI
TMI? Can you explain that shortcut to the ignorant me?
TMI is too much information. It's a generic term, not just a mafia one.
But in the context of mafia it's to say you feel like you have more information than you should or that you let on. Aka calling you informed. Aka calling you wolf

And I'm saying it's TMI because you're labelling it as if it's 100% that Psyche and myself has at least one wolf in it. And considering it is a soft-guilty, aka one that is not 100%, it means the following

1. You know Psyche is a wolf, and you slipped that you know this and don't care enough about the actual check (bcuz it's correct) that you just inherently thought it was a definite check.

2. You want to set up two eliminations and with a soft-guilty if you push it as a hard guilty, you get your opposing mafia out (Psyche) or a Town!Psyche out possibly followed by me, when I am not fully incriminated if Town!Psyche goes out. But you want to push that as true.

3. You are possibly the person, or your possible partners were the reason the check failed. And you want to milk that by setting up a chain-lim.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:18 am

Which ig isn't really TMI. Only #1 is

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:18 am

In post 3677, Naerys wrote: The only info i have is that Psyche should sue the fruit delivery service.

Do you even know the mechanics around what the guilty actually is?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:20 am

In post 3681, Naerys wrote:
In post 3676, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3671, Naerys wrote:
In post 3664, JacksonVirgo wrote: Anyway I'm either opting for Psyche or RN for todays flip
Based on mini 2309 i think RN is town. I actually like his aggresivness, it can get some interesting reactions from ppl.
What was 2309. Was he town? Do you have context on how he plays as either? Have you played enough games to know how consistent his play is? Have you played a game which allows scum-hunting wolves?
2309 was mini, and yes he was town. He admitted himself that he is agressive as a town and i didnt really read his other games. He could be scum-hunting scum, fair. But flipping Psyche/ Hu comes to me as priority.

Aka RN is Town bcuz you want Psyche/Hu instead.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:20 am

In post 3682, Random Nurse wrote: Feel free to read through.

viewtopic.php?t=91358

I don't care about a singular game. Even multiple games isn't enough to encompass someone scum-range, don't kid yourself

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:21 am

I was calling out Naerys's logic as weak and flimsy and definitely not a reason to TR someone

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:23 am

In post 3686, Naerys wrote:
In post 3680, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3677, Naerys wrote: The only info i have is that Psyche should sue the fruit delivery service.
Do you even know the mechanics around what the guilty actually is?
I was joking, relax.

I know you were hun. I'm asking you a seperate question

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:25 am

And you're welcome to use that as a base, but there's nothing there to even remotely suggest he is unlike his scum game. You don't seem to even know his scum game and you're comparing it simply to just "being different" in a really vague sense. That's a really easy way to get swept up and pocketed, and also a very easy TR to give as a scum (you)

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:25 am

In post 3689, Naerys wrote:
In post 3687, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3686, Naerys wrote:
In post 3680, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3677, Naerys wrote: The only info i have is that Psyche should sue the fruit delivery service.
Do you even know the mechanics around what the guilty actually is?
I was joking, relax.
I know you were hun. I'm asking you a seperate question
If i dont, will you educate me?

If you're misinformed, yeah I'll make sure you understand it all

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:27 am

In post 3692, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 3684, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3682, Random Nurse wrote: Feel free to read through.

viewtopic.php?t=91358
I don't care about a singular game. Even multiple games isn't enough to encompass someone scum-range, don't kid yourself

*smirk*

If you are Town you're not doing yourself
any
favors right now. If you were wise you would be asking me for links to my Scum games. If you knew my meta you would know I'm obviously Town.

Meta is the dumbest thing, absolutely not. How about, you get off that high horse of yours and play the game like a normal person

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:27 am

"Oh my god guys, I'm so town. You're all so dumb"

Get outta here

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:29 am

I can scream that every single game regardless of my alignment and it does nothing. It's a useless statement that only makes people more and more apathetic towards actually solving your slot. If you want to be town-read, play like a Town would.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:40 am

In post 3696, Random Nurse wrote: Meta isn't foolproof, but discounting it entirely is foolish.

I'm not on a high horse—I want to see you actually engage and answer my questions and work with me instead of reflexively fighting back and shooting down anything people tell you. Despite your paranoia you should still be making an attempt to keep the lines of communication open. I have
no
problem rattling everyone's cages if it means I get communication going. You've fought me on the JOAT Vig-shot and the rest of your shots, you didn't even make an effort to look at that game link or consider meta implications, and I'm sure there's at least one or two other things you've fought against.

Try to work with people. If you're Town you're not the only one paranoid, but if we don't work together we lose.

I'm not discounting it, their use of meta is foolish and I don't personally care enough about meta to actively search through it. Don't put words in my mouth big boy.

You very much are on a high horse, and it's honestly making me just not want to interact with you at all but for the sake of the game I will.

If you can't handle push-back on your ideas, you're in the wrong game. I'm not a pushover and I will not be coerced into doing something I deem to be negative for the Town like your idea for me to full-claim. I've told you the reasons why and just because I disagree with you don't mean I'm shooting down everything people tell me. You've gotta learn the difference, that's not a me problem.

I don't have paranoia, I'm reading the game and I'm making my judgements. I am keeping lines of communication open. The only way I close that off is if I get apathetic towards someone like you're slowly making me with how thin your skin is and you take everything as a knife to the throat.

Do not ever say I'm not trying to work with people. That's simply wrong and based solely on you judging me disagreeing with you, as not working with you. I'm not going to work together with you to make the Town lose. Simply not happening, you need to learn to see things clearly before telling ME what I need to do to change

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:14 am

In post 3698, pisskop wrote: We're getting sidetracked.

Any thoughts on the RvBvT nature of the game?

There are 2 sets of independently scummy people out there, should we be focusing on one over the other or would it be more beneficial to go after blue today?

I don't personally care for focusing one over the other, we don't have nearly enough to really base it except for the flipped wolf. Which tbf that can be enough. I want the vig out both cuz of my SR on them, the guilty and a counter-claimed vigi role.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:14 am

Occam's razor is not usually a great tool but like, literally what are the chances.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:25 am

I'm gonna go into tinfoil brain mode

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:30 am

So,
If Psyche and RN are both wolves. They're not teamed.
If the wolf teams are not equal in size. (e.g. one has 2, one has 4). RN could be red team, that is protecting themselves by claiming a BP. Which might actually fit their actual role considering they'd be a smaller team. Of course teams being seperate sizes is completely off my head and I have no reason to believe it's the case outside of speculation.
They did claim it earlier and then rehashed the claim when Vigilantes are being spoken about.

Apart from speculation, their claim along with their timing is awful. They appear to be TMI'ing/pushing an agenda with me/psyche and has slipped that they don't have the perspective they should have. I caught this, so has ducky.

Psyche has a soft-guilty on them. As a Vigilante with a guilty, and a GS was brought up before they claimed it (going off what FL said, I haven't verified this myself) that's awkward. Having both a SR, a soft-guilty and a counter-claimed role all in one person is not likely at all and therefore is probably a wolf.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:31 am

They're also constantly fishing for my other abilities.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:31 am

RN that is

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:33 am

In post 3709, pisskop wrote: Like, how a full bp could be normal is beyond me, but sure.

A full BP town that is

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:35 am

Psyche has got to go out today. If he's a wolf, he is going to possibly claim my shot if all goes well or just back out like "oh they were just vanilla" and slide by as a VCop or something like that. He's a vigilante that is not confirmed to get confirmed anytime soon, he needs to go now. That and it's also semi-destructive for Town if it hits a Town PR.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:36 am

In post 3711, pisskop wrote: Actually.... do modifiers count as 'complex'?

BP is a modifier, not a role. So is informed.

Oh, I'd have no clue

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:36 am

This wagon dynamic with a soft-guilty is actually kinda nuts

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:37 am

Except no, you really can't. Not reliably enough

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:37 am

Plus two vigis. Plus a soft-guilty. Plus a bad D1. Plus a bad reaction when I first announced the check.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:38 am

In post 3720, pisskop wrote:
In post 3713, T3 wrote: Psyche (3): JacksonVirgo, furtiveglance, Naerys
the worst (2): shaddowez, Shrek
Psyche (2): Random Nurse, pisskop
lol
mod

Lmfao bruh

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:38 am

Seeing a space in my name hurts me for some reason too

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:39 am

In post 3722, pisskop wrote:
In post 3718, JacksonVirgo wrote: Except no, you really can't. Not reliably enough
If we leave psyche we'd probably want you to shoot sooner than later, probably even at the same time.

If I'm shooting, it'd be shooting Psyche and I lowkey wanna probably shoot someone like TL or a counterwagon.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:41 am

In post 3726, pisskop wrote: A TL shot would at least clear up the clutter around D1.

It would. That's what I primarily use vigilantes to do, get rid of the slots like his but I can't do that if I'm forced to shoot Psyche myself.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:42 am

Also I won't tell anybody when I'll be shooting, I don't want scum to be able to just snipe away my shot so I'll wifom it. Do not talk to me about it, I do not care

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:43 am

In post 3729, Psyche wrote: I'd have just hammered hu tao earlier if I were scum knowing I can't verify my role.

You don't need to verify your role. You're claiming a role that is not something that can directly incriminate you super reliably by nights and nights of no shots. You're a complex after all, you'd just hit VTs or goons and be done with it. You'll be a slot that is just progressively dead weight until Town decides that they're done waiting and flip you anyway. I don't play to BCS, I play to what's likely or sometimes WCS.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:44 am

In post 3731, Psyche wrote:
In post 3719, JacksonVirgo wrote: Plus two vigis. Plus a soft-guilty. Plus a bad D1. Plus a bad reaction when I first announced the check.
my reaction was perfect. and both our vig roles are plenty limited

Lmao you can't judge your own reaction, it doesn't work like that. This is RN logic

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:46 am

In post 3734, Psyche wrote: ive had so many opportunities to lie to make this look better for me. claiming complex vig and refusing to ever say i got fruit was never the optimal play for someone just looking to survive an extra day

Bro. You had no idea what my guilty was when you claimed. If you claimed you got fruit after I claimed, that would look even worse than you not receiving it.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:49 am

Or shot by yours truly

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:50 am

Yeah, no. Nope that's dumb, sorry but no

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:51 am

Anyway, talk soon cuties. Do the whole quote thing if ur talking to me so I know what to check when I come back

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:12 am

In post 3752, bob3141 wrote: VOTE: Psyche

I've also got a vigi charge too. Check the timing itself for more context. Ctrl+F "guilty" in my ISO and find the earliest one (I don't think I said it d1)

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:19 am

In post 3755, Psyche wrote: This is probably a bad idea. But would it be wrong to offer to target JV in this scenario? It would remove an excuse for 3 people not dying tonight since it would aim at a guaranteed PR. But if I'm scum, they're as safe as they are every night (not safe, but not "3 people could shoot at them" safe). Also, it directly tests the hypothesis that JV is actually scum and never sent a fruit.

So, you want me to die?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:26 am

How are you under the impression I believe you to be 100% wolf? I don't, I just think with all things considered I don't see you as Town. That being said, you just set up a trapped premise there or whatever you call it. You say you don't expect me to agree but then throw out that me going against that would be a inconsistency of mine, so really I can't do much without looking bad. Don't do that, that's disgusting. Speak to me like a person

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:33 am

In post 3763, Psyche wrote: I'm in an odd position of worrying that you guys and ur razors will put JV in a bad position tomorrow. I wonder if we can chat it out before I go.

It seems that occam's razor calls for scumreading them when I flip town, since the reasoning for thinking Drew didn't roleblock me implies that I either didn't get a fruit because I'm scum, or I didn't get a fruit because one wasn't sent.

This conclusion doesn't sit right with me, because JV seems town despite everything. And I'm in a position of knowing occam's razor can lead to wrong conclusions.

What will you do when I flip town?

The only people that's really seeming unable to see the logic there are people nobody is really following anyway. I am of course biased, but Occam's razor definitely does not incriminate me as much as you're seeming to think. This is also why Occam's razor is a tool and not an argument, but that being said I've got good standing, why would I out myself like this for a flip I could have done just by pushing and claim a JOAT with a vigi.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:36 am

In post 3764, Psyche wrote:
In post 3760, JacksonVirgo wrote: How are you under the impression I believe you to be 100% wolf? I don't, I just think with all things considered I don't see you as Town. That being said, you just set up a trapped premise there or whatever you call it. You say you don't expect me to agree but then throw out that me going against that would be a inconsistency of mine, so really I can't do much without looking bad. Don't do that, that's disgusting. Speak to me like a person
I don't really understand not thinking I'm at least all but 100% wolf in your shoes. Why take the possibility of you getting roleblocked all that seriously?

I'd like to believe I'm not a stupid person and I can think critically even if it goes against my reads and feelings. You aren't 100% scum because you're not 100% scum, it's as simple as that. I do think you're a wolf, I am confident that you are a wolf so much that I do not see myself wanting to vote out anybody else over you. Hope this clears up my position.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:37 am

Also I don't see how you can consider me hedging as it's clear I'm pushing you over anybody else

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:42 am

I'm not you brother

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:49 am

Cool, anyway.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:04 am

What's the difference between me shooting someone else? Me having a focused shot vs a spread shot means scum are unlikely to interfere unless they have a direct way to stop me, in which I'd know and it would give setup info.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:33 am

In post 3791, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3700, JacksonVirgo wrote: Occam's razor is not usually a great tool but like, literally what are the chances.
disagree

That Occam's razor is a good tool?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:35 am

In post 3794, Naerys wrote:
In post 3787, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3667, Naerys wrote: I was on my way from work to home, relax RN.
VOTE: Psyche I think Psyche vs JV needs to get solved first. Either Psyche or JV lied, thats clear from their claims.
this is not true, there are TvT possibilities, but really it's just Psyche probs
If its TvT how does the quilty result comes into that,then. I cant wrap my mind about that

Loyal modifier means it can only target people of my alignment.
Fruit Vendor gives a person a piece of fruit which does nothing but show that a FV visited them.

I targeted Psyche with a Loyal Fruit Vendor. He never claimed to get one

MEANING

1. He is not aligned with me, aka a wolf.
2. He is Town with me as Town and something intercepted my ability (roleblocker, rolestopper, alien etc)
3. I am wolf and fake-claiming this

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:35 am

In post 3796, Psyche wrote: Also, this strategy does more to validate JV's role. Even if you feel sure about it now and plan to be sure about it even if I flip town, maybe you'd rather other town not spend a lot of time worrying about it.

I don't need my role validated brother

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:36 am

Not with that plan of yours anyway

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:36 am

In post 3803, Flavor Leaf wrote: Psyche, Hu Tao, and RN are all scum here anyways

Mhm. I won't be shooting RN because of their claim, I'll be very clear on that. If they die, it wasn't from me

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:38 am

In post 3805, Naerys wrote:
In post 3799, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3794, Naerys wrote:
In post 3787, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3667, Naerys wrote: I was on my way from work to home, relax RN.
VOTE: Psyche I think Psyche vs JV needs to get solved first. Either Psyche or JV lied, thats clear from their claims.
this is not true, there are TvT possibilities, but really it's just Psyche probs
If its TvT how does the quilty result comes into that,then. I cant wrap my mind about that
Loyal modifier means it can only target people of my alignment.
Fruit Vendor gives a person a piece of fruit which does nothing but show that a FV visited them.

I targeted Psyche with a Loyal Fruit Vendor. He never claimed to get one

MEANING

1. He is not aligned with me, aka a wolf.
2. He is Town with me as Town and something intercepted my ability (roleblocker, rolestopper, alien etc)
3. I am wolf and fake-claiming this
Thanks. Could perhaps scum roleblocker target you? Then it could be TvT

Yep, that's why it isn't directly incriminating for if Psyche somehow flips green.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:42 am

In post 3808, Psyche wrote:
In post 3800, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3796, Psyche wrote: Also, this strategy does more to validate JV's role. Even if you feel sure about it now and plan to be sure about it even if I flip town, maybe you'd rather other town not spend a lot of time worrying about it.
I don't need my role validated brother
you will later

And we can deal with it later :)

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:42 am

In post 3809, Psyche wrote:convenient

Not really, the convenient claim would be to claim Gunsmith

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:51 am

In post 3828, Flavor Leaf wrote: lol psyche trying to save their buddy

Who are you saying is their bud?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:00 am

In post 3831, pisskop wrote: It is actively anti-town to not chain/vote the soft guilty

What does chain mean in this context

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:44 am

In post 3866, Flavor Leaf wrote: Alright, it’s time to start ignoring Psyche. They’re just actively openwolfing on purpose, and probably having a blast with it.

Is there a reason you're voting off of them

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:12 am

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JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:21 am

In post 3881, Aisa wrote: I don’t scumread Psyche on top of his claim, quite the opposite in fact, which leaves me in quite a pickle

So, what are you making of it all?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:47 am

In post 3897, the worst wrote: Anything of interest happening?

I spoke about bunnings snags, apart from that no. Going in loops

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:50 am

In post 3904, Aisa wrote:
In post 3883, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3881, Aisa wrote: I don’t scumread Psyche on top of his claim, quite the opposite in fact, which leaves me in quite a pickle
So, what are you making of it all?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. (Disclaimer I've not read every single post in super gruesome detail)

I guess the most important thing to decide right now is whether to support the Psyche wagon. I agree that from an objective standpoint it's a pretty good wagon. I did some silly maths earlier and figure the baseline chance of both you and Psyche being town is not much higher than 15% (suppose there are like, three roleblocking roles in this game, one for each team, and each had about a 1/20 chance of being on you last night).

BUT I have this self-indulgent townread on Psyche. I think his play since the "guilty" has been towny.

I'm kinda leaning towards following my homebrew read tbh, apologies in advance I realise I'm acting kinda stubborn :?

You actually did the math on it? Impressive. But yeah, the numbers are of course skewed based on dayplay etc but that's beyond the point.

So assuming a 15% chance that me and Psyche are both Town.

Where are you landing? Are you leaning both town or I'm wolf?

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:15 pm

In post 3908, Aisa wrote: I purposefully left out my read on you because I'm not sure and it would take more time than I have today to reread your iso.

Let's ignore your claim for a moment. I don't think your play is obvtown by any stretch. You post a lot and you have this very self-assured playstyle. I think people tend to townread that. But I think your slightly aggressive energy is something you could exploit as scum if you wanted to. You're not afraid to push your scumreads and I think you could be hiding some scum motives behind a pretense of scumhunting. I don't think some of your pushes are great (I think Nurse is town) which contributes to my wariness

But I don't think you!scum is the simplest explanation in a vacuum. In a vacuum, I think you're probably just town.

Essentially in my heart right now you're both town
But I'm going to keep monitoring the situation

I believe you to be Town for all the effort you've seemed to put in without actually gloating about it and trying to get cred for it, you're doing it to solve.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:36 pm

In post 3932, pisskop wrote: We chain him or we fade him.

We could put together a list of people to shoot at though

The issue with his claim though is

If he is a Role Cop, VCop, Complex Checker, whatever. If he has any way of gauging who is VT and who isn't. As a wolf he can check someone in the pool, if they're Vanilla. Great, claim the shot was on them but it failed, and they will claim Vanilla to fit. If he isn't, he says he shot someone else in the list and failed and if they're an actual PR, they reveal and creates a 1v1 there. So unless he directly gets a kill, which all things considered is unlikely to be done in the next day or two. He will be a hanging question mark.

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:38 pm

And I'm saying an investigative like that because it fits easier into them knowing their N1 was a VT but it could have also been blind luck too

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:41 pm

In post 3941, the worst wrote: not just that but like the sheer speed of this iteration of the psyche wagon is incredible

Can you even argue that speed matters?
It's a soft-guilty, there is at least one evil team that will milk this regardless of Psyche's alignment so wagon speed is meaningless for Psyche's alignment, just more info for VCA later

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:45 pm

If you want to chain him. I won't shoot in the list he is given

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:46 pm

In post 3945, JacksonVirgo wrote: If you want to chain him. I won't shoot in the list he is given

This is in case I die and he wants to steal my vig shot, if I shoot tonight

JacksonVirgo · Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:44 pm

In post 3961, furtiveglance wrote: I'm thinking, is there a role that roleblocks and rolestops at the same time?

Because that could be one explanation if it was on Psyche last night. Otherwise 2 roleblocking interactions seems unlikely.

It can also just be that Psyche is lying which explains both.

Combined Roleblocker-Rolestopper and Alien are the same thing iirc but ofc you can have combined stuff with modifiers
It could also just be my action blocked and his failed because of him targeting a vanilla
Stuff like that

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:01 am

I doubt he blocks me

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:01 am

Like I reallllly doubt

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:24 am

In post 3978, Psyche wrote: I technically think ideal strategy is to kill me either tonight (JV) or tomorrow but bob's point is the best reason to lim me today. Substantial discussion about who I should shoot has good odds of leading to more PR claims. I'd initially thought RN claimed bc he saw the "shoot RN" instruction but he has denied it I think.

He claims he didn't know we planned on you shooting him

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:35 am

In post 3980, Psyche wrote: yeah. i find it unfortunate for reading him that he'd say that. also why'd he claim, then? whatever

I'd like to discuss him with you. Even if you're a wolf, I feel he isn't teamed with you so it's mutual benefit.
He claims to be an Informed Bulletproof. Ungated. Informed that at least one mafia faction knows that a Bulletproof exists.

He claimed a 2-shot BP D1, he claims today that was to gauge who reacted weirdly to it but he has not seemed to have any reads that would suggest this was a genuine thought process. Ducky also called this out, so I feel if he *is* a wolf (RN) that ducky isn't paired with him. I don't believe RN's thought processes as genuine. He regards a false/wrong SR on him as scum-hunting instead of pushing LHF which would imply a freudian slip that he is a wolf and that reads a case on him as accurate at it's core rather than a push for a pushes sake. He doesn't appear to have the same thought processes as he claims to have regarding his attempt to get a read based on his informed modifier and his claim. Stuff like this

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:38 am

In post 3982, shaddowez wrote: I sort of believe that, because if RN thinks Psyche is scum (which based on his vote is the case), I could see a case to not claim BP

RN would have no idea if Psyche is scum or not.

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:50 am

In post 3988, shaddowez wrote:
In post 3987, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3982, shaddowez wrote: I sort of believe that, because if RN thinks Psyche is scum (which based on his vote is the case), I could see a case to not claim BP
RN would have no idea if Psyche is scum or not.
I realize that, if he did we'd be having a completely different discussion. I'm saying that if he
thought
Psyche was scum and Psyche was planning on targeting RN, Psyche has two options:

1) not target RN, in which case he lied about what he was going to do and probably get speedlimmed tomorrow, or
2) target RN, in which case if RN actually is BP we'd have one less town NK

In either of these cases, not claiming would have made more sense. That said, need to look into why he
did
claim, since there doesn't seem to be a good reason for that either.

Why are you discussing Psyche's actions when you want to find why RN did what he did.

As Town, I can only really assume he did it cuz ???. Cuz he felt like it? It doesn't make sense to me but as scum there's plenty of reasons from not wanting to risk getting shot (maybe they're red-maf specifically with already low numbers). Maybe they're a scum BP that doesn't want to be in a 1 for 1 with Psyche if he gets shot and doesn't die.

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 am

It's not foolproof, nothing is. It's a tool. I'm using it. They also have discrepancies in their perspective which aligns with that line of thinking as well

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:19 am

In post 4019, davesaz wrote: I've never quite understood the fascination with "vigs proving themselves". Claiming an extra kill
might
prove the player has a kill, but it still doesn't really prove anything about alignment. Unless SK's have become not a thing while I was away? And in the absence of anything else that might cause an extra night death? Not to mention you have to sacrifice someone and the odds are strongly against town even when it's directed.

Yes, vigilante's are negative utility and yes SKs exist.

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:21 am

In post 4021, pisskop wrote: Can we have an SK in this game without mod disclosure?

Yeah, it's a large.

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:24 am

In post 4024, pisskop wrote: okay, that only makes this weirder though.

I never seriously considered psyche could be an SK claiming vig

If they are an SK. They'd be a really weird gated SK or their claim is gonna end up killing them in the end anyway cuz it's a complex vig. And I bet there's a lot more vanillas than PRs

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:44 am

In post 4029, Psyche wrote: do people just do that? talk to strangers? this psych degree is doing nothing for me

Fuck yeah, it's so fun to do. Within reason ofc

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:18 pm

VOTE: Psyche

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:36 pm

Yk that wasn't hammer yeah?

JacksonVirgo · Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:46 pm

In post 4054, pisskop wrote:
In post 4052, JacksonVirgo wrote: Yk that wasn't hammer yeah?
shhh nobody else knows that

Oh right, I never said anything O.O

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:56 pm

Shot the counterwagon because Psyche ended up Town. If he wasn't like I expected, would have shot TL

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:56 pm

And yes I'm aware the 2-votes means my vig doens't confirm me but that's ok

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:56 pm

2 votes? No, two kills

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:57 pm

In post 4064, Random Nurse wrote: Yeah so with Psyche being Town I want answers on JV's alignment.

Good for you, I hope you find those answers

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:57 pm

In post 4065, TemporalLich wrote: that being said, BBmolla is a confirmed fakeclaimer as Psyche really was a complex vigilante

VOTE: BBmolla

They already claimed vanilla hun

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:03 pm

In post 4074, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 4070, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4064, Random Nurse wrote: Yeah so with Psyche being Town I want answers on JV's alignment.
Good for you, I hope you find those answers

Oh nice, resistant snark.

Give me all the excuses I need to press you today. 🙏

Okay listen here, I'm already having a fucking awful day don't make me even more pissed off than I already am (I know it's not your fault, but don't make it worse thanks)

How in the living hell would I be able to give you answers to any of this. How about instead of laying out a trap you know I cannot actually answer, do some critical thinking skills and actually work on finding wolves. That would be brilliant and also your JOB AS TOWN, unless you simply aren't Town. Food for thought

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:04 pm

If it was easily answered, it would mean the actions are confirmed, which means we would have known Psyche wasn't guiltied. Think for a tiny iddy biddy bit before posting

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:04 pm

In post 4072, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 4068, JacksonVirgo wrote: 2 votes? No, two kills

So you used your Vig shot? On who again (just to make sure)?

I said who, maybe read the game

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:07 pm

They could have hit a protected, a BP etc. Maybe blocked. There is a blocking role running around somewhere so possible

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:16 pm

In post 4081, BBmolla wrote:
In post 4080, JacksonVirgo wrote: They could have hit a protected, a BP etc. Maybe blocked. There is a blocking role running around somewhere so possible
Both teams?

Hm? Are you saying the second kill was Town too?

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:18 pm

In post 4089, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i guess one member of the scum faction killed hu tao thinking she was from the other scum faction? that seems like an awful kill

No, that was me

JacksonVirgo · Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:22 pm

VOTE: RN I have been saying that, yes

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:36 am

In post 4105, Random Nurse wrote: Instead, he made the choice himself and guess what—he hit a Townie.

ooooo, don't you even start this.

Hu Tao flipping ANYHING benefits us because yk what would have happened? We would have wasted a day voting up Hu Tao and then he would have flipped Town and we would have wasted a long ass time doing something I can resolve in an instant. THAT is what Vigilante's should be doing, not going for hero shots on who they believe is wolf. There's a reason Vigilante's are typically negative utility, and that's because they're not used in a way that benefits the Town, only the user. Now, next time think before insulting what I do because that shit is repulsive.

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:39 am

In post 4155, Random Nurse wrote: FMPOV I think JV is Scum, because he says he targeted Psyche, Psyche did not mention getting fruit (did he deny it?), and then Psyche flipped Town.

Okay so why would I stick my neck out as a wolf to get someone, who was already pushable, dead.

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:43 am

In post 4167, Aisa wrote: The whole JV - Psyche saga in one place for convenience:

JV claims a guilty on Psyche. Keep scrolling for Psyche's reaction.
Psyche claims Vig.
JV claims JOAT who used a Loyal Fruit Vendor shot on Psyche, explaining that they thought Psyche would have claimed the fruit vendor shot if they had received it.
Psyche claims Complex Vig.
BBMolla (Psyche's target) claims Vanilla.
Psyche claims he didn't receive fruit. (He may have claimed/hinted this before this post too).

Let me add my own thoughts to this
If I was scum it would mean I claimed a guilty on somebody I would have had no real issues eliminating anyway and given my position in the Town that would not have been hard, and then when he claims he assumes I was Gunsmith and that I was probably Town cuz of it, you (RN) expect I just didn't take that free out and instead make myself have a claim that would again stick my neck out if they flipped green? Are you joking? Lmfao. You need to learn to think, seriously.

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:44 am

In post 4168, Aisa wrote: I don't think JV would have much specific motivation as scum to claim this weird Loyal Fruit Vendor beyond "this is a weird claim that might get me townread".

I was already townread

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:09 am

Thanks for ignoring everything to stick to that agenda

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:14 am

If you're one-track minded sure but everyone worth their weight already sees that it doesn't matter

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:23 pm

I see what people are seeing in CSF but RN has clearly gotta go.

1. He is scummy and I won't rehash why unless asked
2. He is claiming a full BP, they need to get policied anyway unless he super duper town-tells which I don't believe him capable of doing

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:31 pm

In post 4290, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 4272, Save The Dragons wrote: I think rn is scum and think csf could possibly be scum I'm not scumreading

WHY?

YOU, TL, Dave and BBM are all pulling this shit and not backing it up with ANY. FUCKING. EXPLANATION. at all.

How detached are you from the game? It's been explained so much

JacksonVirgo · Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:57 pm

In post 4293, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 4291, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4290, Random Nurse wrote:
In post 4272, Save The Dragons wrote: I think rn is scum and think csf could possibly be scum I'm not scumreading

WHY?

YOU, TL, Dave and BBM are all pulling this shit and not backing it up with ANY. FUCKING. EXPLANATION. at all.
How detached are you from the game? It's been explained so much

Fuck your snarky attitude.

Love you too

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:53 am

In post 4559, shaddowez wrote: Ugh - I've tried to write a night action analysis post like 2 or 3 times, and every time I do it comes back to a good possibility that JV is scum. Going to write up my thoughts both ways, but it might be long and take a little while

And why is that an ugh? If I’m likely wolf mechanically, I’m likely wolf mechanically I don’t understand why that’s an “ugh”

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:53 am

In post 4562, pisskop wrote:
In post 4559, shaddowez wrote: Ugh - I've tried to write a night action analysis post like 2 or 3 times, and every time I do it comes back to a good possibility that JV is scum. Going to write up my thoughts both ways, but it might be long and take a little while
idk. He's been pretty quiet today, but he was one of my biggest townreads Day1

Just been busy

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:55 am

Oh there’s been a claim? Oop

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:57 am

Laptop keyboard broken, gonna go buy a new one today and lord knows I’m not catching up on my phone

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:00 am

Why would I commit to a dodgy claim than just claiming Gunsmith which Psyche gave me an out for?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:02 am

If it was for cred, that would give it to me
If it was to get Psyche out, that would also give it to me but why would I focus to getting a random out that was pushable anyway

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:03 am

In post 4585, Enchant wrote:
In post 4583, JacksonVirgo wrote: Why would I commit to a dodgy claim than just claiming Gunsmith which Psyche gave me an out for?
Because motivation, you claimed at first place... Why?

To accuse and kill.

And, you think I’d commit to a complicated red than use the GS he handed me on a silver platter which would require me not push through all this if he flipped green

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:04 am

Like ??
What’s the motivation there? I could claim a GS and a vig. I would have no motive to claim a loyal fv as a wolf

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:05 am

In post 4587, Enchant wrote:
In post 3757, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 3755, Psyche wrote: This is probably a bad idea. But would it be wrong to offer to target JV in this scenario? It would remove an excuse for 3 people not dying tonight since it would aim at a guaranteed PR. But if I'm scum, they're as safe as they are every night (not safe, but not "3 people could shoot at them" safe). Also, it directly tests the hypothesis that JV is actually scum and never sent a fruit.
So, you want me to die?
That's something town never says.

I said it, I was gauging what his pov was. Is that illegal, get off ur tunnel hun

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:06 am

In post 4590, Aisa wrote: Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype :P

Ah yes throw out logic because “haha ur crazy”

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:07 am

Anywho getting ready for work now bye bye

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:08 am

In post 4594, Enchant wrote: I know you will not survive until ELO anyway.

And?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:43 am

In post 4598, shaddowez wrote: Yeah, I'm not committed to a JV flip yet.
JV, please do not do this yet
- I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons of JV claiming the rest of his actions prior to this day ending. If he's fakeclaiming, it should be somewhat easier to prove, but if he's not then it makes him a prime target. Noodling on this

I’ll make it easy and say I wont be fullclaiming so decide if u want me elimmed or not

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:50 pm

I think they'd be pretty stupid to claim a blocking role as a wolf

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:50 pm

Also why are you assuming it was a directed rb that blocked my N1 action and not a rolestopper/alien?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:52 pm

All I know is that they claimed a roleblocker of sorts, did they claim they were gated at all?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:54 pm

In post 4625, the worst wrote: Is there any reason either of them would self-resolve mechanically?

I know that I self resolve but without a full-claim I don't expect anybody to really do anything accordingly. I think STD would be pretty ballsy to claim a rber in this gamestate as a wolf so I'm inclined to believe them but their actions are pretty dodgy

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:54 pm

In post 4628, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 4623, JacksonVirgo wrote: Also why are you assuming it was a directed rb that blocked my N1 action and not a rolestopper/alien?
Alien is also possible, interchangeable with RB'er

Rolestopper feels unlikely. Why would someone rolestop Psyche

I got no idea but something happened fs

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:56 pm

In post 4632, the worst wrote: who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

RN + they're a full ungated BP claim who's perspective is and keeps being inconsistent with what it should be both because of the gamestate and also him as a player

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:58 pm

He's constantly like "Yo JV needs to still answer the whatever about the red check" which feels to me like he just wants to keep it fresh in peoples minds that it's inconsistent and needs to be pushed rather than actually solving

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:01 pm

In post 4639, the worst wrote: jv how do u feel about that bp claim

I think he's very clearly a wolf, and it also needs to be resolved before Limo. A Town ungated bulletproof is the most far-fetched thing, he claimed immediately after being designated the kill for Psyche. He claims he is informed that maf knows a BP exists but doesn't have the perspective I'd expect from somebody who SAID HE CLAIMED TO GET REACTIONS and nothing has ever come from that. I could go on and on but the one thing that is pinging me that it might just be a scummy Town is that he's like, so focused on like "oh but you got nothing on me" to everybody pushing him, when it's clear that's not true at all and I just feel maybe just super out of touch town? But to me that doesn't override everything else, plus I personally feel they need to leave before Limlo which I think I said but I'm not sure.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:03 pm

His words and what he says he's doing does not align with what I'm reading his perspective and intent to be. It's like a very drastic contrast between the two and I find it pretty shocking not gonna lie that not too many people are SRing them cuz like I find it clear as day.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:04 pm

In post 4648, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: I think RN claimed BP day 1 too

I claim every role under the sun when I'm wolf so I can cherry pick one when I decide on a claim. Like wut, he also could be scum BP or simply scum that doesn't want to get shot by the other team.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:05 pm

In post 4651, TemporalLich wrote: like I said, RN's claim is unresolable

Kinda wish I just shot Psyche and left my check for this but oh well

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:05 pm

But I didn't want to wait

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:07 pm

wut, vote came out of nowhere

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:09 pm

In post 4659, TemporalLich wrote: CSF's recent posts have been towny but I don't want to townread CSF because then I'd have to vote the unresolable PR claims

Bro this post I think made my brain cells die. If a PR claim is unresolvable, why is that bad to vote? Why is voting someone ur starting to think is Town bad to vote an unresolvable PR claim.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:10 pm

In post 4662, the worst wrote: it came out of somewhere it's just that somewhere is my mind which is a mess

Alright, this isn't really an explanation and I expect one

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:11 pm

"it isn't really" nah, it isn't one at all.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:12 pm

Who said I had a gunsmith check?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:14 pm

In post 4672, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 4670, JacksonVirgo wrote: Who said I had a gunsmith check?
oh I thought one of your joat roles was gunsmith for some reason

I spoke about one because I was countering someones argument against me. As scum!me would claim a JOAT with a gunsmith guilty if I wanted Psyche out and not make my own slot look bad. But nope, scum!me definitely would make me risk looking horrid and go with a loyal FV instead.

I honestly fnd it crazy anybody expects me to be wolf here but I am of course biased

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:16 pm

Cuz he reacts badly to my check.
He goes "oh ur probs gunsmith, I'm vig"

Why would I, as scum, not use that out he gives me. And also claim a vig as I did.

Only counter to that I found is "lol u seem crazy" like what.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:18 pm

In post 4674, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 4673, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4672, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 4670, JacksonVirgo wrote: Who said I had a gunsmith check?
oh I thought one of your joat roles was gunsmith for some reason
I spoke about one because I was countering someones argument against me. As scum!me would claim a JOAT with a gunsmith guilty if I wanted Psyche out and not make my own slot look bad. But nope, scum!me definitely would make me risk looking horrid and go with a loyal FV instead.

I honestly fnd it crazy anybody expects me to be wolf here but I am of course biased
But Psyche claimed Complex Vig. GS guilty wouldn't have yeeted him

GS guilty + vig claim would.
He was pushable anyway so even without knowing what he actually was. Why would scum!me go for that frame to begin with

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:18 pm

In post 4677, the worst wrote: how much did u reconsider the psyche wagon yesterday?

I reconsidered once as that was when FL asked me if I could move off, but felt wrong so went back

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:20 pm

In post 4675, the worst wrote: this feels like a read which you're benefited from having moreso than a read which i actually think has come from a place of deep critical thinking from you which sadly is kind of consistent with what i'd expect scum to kinda have to do in your shoes in this gamestate

Ouch, I have been critically thinking

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:22 pm

In post 4675, the worst wrote: i think your reference to being resolvable but requiring a level of faith to be resolvable is likely motivated more towards survival than town benefit, given it was roughly your line yesterday with the vig claim which you openly made

I don't feel the need to convince a few people that I'm Town, I don't feel I'm at risk of elimination and even if I am it's not like a claim is going to do much. I already said that I don't expect people to do anything based on me saying it but it's simply true.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:23 pm

I'm claiming and playing the way I am for a reason but that's for later, or post-game if I end up dead

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:24 pm

In post 4683, the worst wrote: i think i'm making the problem worse; jv i do trust your claim less than i trust rn's, and i doubt i can like satisfactorily argue with you to the extent that i convince you that YOU YOURSELF are scum. i don't have a lot of time rn so will be using my time to explain myself and slay.

You trust a full BP? Why do you not trust my claim, easy words to throw out.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:24 pm

In post 4689, the worst wrote:
In post 4687, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'm claiming and playing the way I am for a reason but that's for later, or post-game if I end up dead
i can tell.

Is this giving me sass lmfaooooo, I read that as such and I love it

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:25 pm

In post 4684, the worst wrote: i always feel bad when i write this kind of thing bc it sounds like i'm being critical but i'm genuinely surprised you think RN is a significant threat here if ur town

I do, and even if you disagree with me you're just ruling out different reads meaning I'm not thinking critically?

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:27 pm

In post 4696, the worst wrote: i think regardless of your alignment, i'm probably correct to feel like you're up to some shit

It's how I enjoy playing but what I don't like is how Aisa labelled me like that without knowing

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:27 pm

In post 4697, the worst wrote: hmm not exactly. more that i don't find your reason for scumreading RN compelling, and i'm surprised there isn't more behind it.

There is, I can delve further into it just not on mobile babe

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:28 pm

And by further I mean in more detail

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:30 pm

In post 4590, Aisa wrote: Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype :P

This post in particular

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:34 pm

In post 4709, the worst wrote:
In post 4706, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4590, Aisa wrote: Some players are just a lil crazy (in a good way) and you seem like you fit the archetype :P
This post in particular
got you. i'm not quick to use the word 'crazy' to describe anyone for a few reasons. i do think you play in a way that's an orderly form of chaotic, as far as information goes, and i wonder if that may be what aisa is putting down?

I actually want to retract my counter-argument cuz like I just realised I am definitely one to try a gambit like not using that Gunsmith, but oh well. Come back to this if I flip before I full-claim, thanks

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:36 pm

Every role can be resolved. Via an elim, it's just it isn't self-resolving and cannot be resolved with the current claims

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:37 pm

Anyway I got a role cop, I'm gonna check RN fr fr

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:40 pm

In post 4719, the worst wrote: flash-forward, start of day four, RN claims receiving fruit as a joke, cruises to victory

Shut ye gob cobber

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:40 pm

In post 4721, the worst wrote: the six minutes i've thinking about this game all week have told me that this pool of players is optimal to vote in-

davesaz
bob3141
Enchant
shaddowez

Eh, Enchant seems off their rocker but their vibe is town. I don't honestly retain much from the other three

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:43 pm

I honestly feel this setup was balanced around blocking abilities. Like
2 Town RBers if STD is right
Loyal shit
Bulletproof
Complex

But setup spec is not to be used, I just clicked that it's all similarish

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:48 pm

In post 4725, Random Nurse wrote: Are you saying a PR shouldn't target me? Hell, I welcome ALL PR targeting. Once the rest of these peeps realize I'm Town then I become unstoppable and a major thorn in both Scum's sides.

Scum PGO moment

If only PGO was normal, I wouldn't have died my first game as SK fake-claiming it like a nutter

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:49 pm

In post 4734, the worst wrote:
In post 4732, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4725, Random Nurse wrote: Are you saying a PR shouldn't target me? Hell, I welcome ALL PR targeting. Once the rest of these peeps realize I'm Town then I become unstoppable and a major thorn in both Scum's sides.
Scum PGO moment

If only PGO was normal, I wouldn't have died my first game as SK fake-claiming it like a nutter
i had the same thought. :lol:

also oof.

It was traumatic, FL was in that game I believe

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:53 pm

In post 4737, the worst wrote: flashback to n2 jv shot fl so nobody would call them out on their eventual game-winning pgo claim

the other scumteam shot hu tao because it was funny

I would... never do such a thing!!!!!!!!!!

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:56 pm

In post 4743, the worst wrote: i feel like i've wondered this before but whomst the fuck shot drew

I did

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:00 pm

In post 4745, the worst wrote:
In post 4744, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 4743, the worst wrote: i feel like i've wondered this before but whomst the fuck shot drew
I did
multitasking n1 50% loyal fruit vender 100% vigilante, n2 vigilante whose shot stops one of the factional kills,

Nah, but close
Multi-tasking N1 Loyal Fruit Vendor N1 Vigilante N2 Commuter Odd-Night Vigilante

And I'm just goated and was shot by the other wolf team

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:01 pm

In post 4746, TemporalLich wrote: 3. That interaction doesn't have the fierceness of a TvT interaction nor the performance of an SvS interaction

What about a SvS but opposite teams

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:03 pm

Aren't you the one informed that scum know ur BP. Why are you not more focused on that part, or was that part of your first claim

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:06 pm

In post 4752, the worst wrote: i kind of forgot about s/s with other teams too ouagh
broadly speaking though that's another argument vs. rn that i just,, don't really feel holds weight

the informed thing is kind of on my mind too idk how i feel

It's fake, I don't believe his claim. You said you didn't either, at least not fully. Would town!RN be motivated to fake-claim as Town? Probably tbch, seems like a matching character trait. Huh, that's shifted my thinking a little bit actually

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:08 pm

UNVOTE:

I wanna sit on that thought

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:08 pm

I probably should have kept that in my head though, too late now

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:11 pm

Nah, there's little worth in a vanity vote. I'm not going to weaken the strength of my vote

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:15 pm

I already said I don't believe STD to be a wolf, and that isn't what I meant by the strength of my vote but regardless I don't want to vanity vote.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:17 pm

In post 4759, the worst wrote: you're comfortable with this gamestate?

Why does this feel like a loaded question

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:21 pm

In post 4761, the worst wrote: guess i'm interested to see where your broader reads are at bc we've got like multiple scum and multiple factions still going and this gamestate feels very hyperfixated. it seems kinda easy for scum to slip by, even if we have 1-2 in our sights.

I know you're referring to the gamestate being hyperfocused but that's an issue with how I play as well, i tend to focus on my potent TRs/SRs and then put aside most other things so just give me a little bit and I'll readdress the game without focusing too much on specific people

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:23 pm

Well, it's difficult for me in larger games

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:31 pm

Apart from RN's slot making me easy, the mechanical gamestate I'm comfortable. I do genuinely believe I've found the core of this setup design already which would be neato but apart from that I'm uncomfortable with how PR-focused we've ended up feels like a bunch of IIOA and scum thrive there so I'm gonna reset myself (as you called it) and come back to this later with sole delving into what people are saying rather than anything mech-leading.

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:31 pm

Making me uneasy*

JacksonVirgo · Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:42 pm

What if I claim I'm a JOAT with

- Vigilante
- Loyal FV
- Friendly Neighbour
- Traffic Analyst
- Role Cop
- Commute
- The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass